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First Beta of Opera 10 Released
Miladinoski writes "Opera Software ASA today released the first beta of their tenth version of the Opera browser. In addition to the browser's known features, like mouse gestures, keyboard shortcuts, voice navigation, mail and RSS support, speed dial and so forth, it now includes a Turbo mode which unclogs your connection to get faster browsing, a new interface, a tabbed browsing update and customizable speed dial. Opera 10 continues to follow the web standards by getting 100/100 and pixel-perfect scores on the Acid3 test. The beta is currently available for every modern OS platform."
Opera 10 continues to follow the web standards by getting 100/100 and pixel-perfect scores on the Acid3 test.
Yeah, I think anything running the latest versions of Presto (Opera) & Webkit (Safari, Chrome) are getting 100s. Two nights ago I put the latest and greatest Chrome in WinXP SP3 on my eeePC and got a 100/100 even though it said Linktest failed.
Odd thing is that the more popular a browser or layout engine is, the worse it seems to do on the Acid tests!
My work here is dung.
Unclogs your connection?
So the internet is... like a series of tubes?
It was released a long time ago if you had the alpha version of opera installed and turned on updates.
and on another note, the alpha was much better than v9, and the beta is much better than the alpha
So I can go from 16Mhz to 32Mhz browsing at the touch of a button, you say? I'm all for it! Wait a second....
=Smidge=
Is it just my observation, or is eldavojohn an idiot?
Opera follows standards, and Slashdot (even the homepage) looks like shit in Opera.
Really, Slashdot looks like shit in most browsers with blatantly obvious bugs everywhere, like the infamous white on white comment titles.
I guess that means that for all the talk and the bullshit, Slashdot totally hypocritical when it comes to standards.
Fix your fucking code or get off your high horse.
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/mac/1000b1/
"This new Opera feature increases your internet bandwidth speed on slow connections using data and image compression technologies. Opera Turbo uses Opera proxy servers to compress the traffic before it reaches the Opera browser on the clientâ(TM)s computer; see this Opera reference. Opera Turbo can easily be configured to suit your browsing needs:"
So it basically does what their mobile browser already does for your desktop. Cue tinfoil hatters in 3,2,1...
Seems quite fast, even compared to regular Opera. Entire pages just appear, rather than slowly loading/displaying...
Kudos to the team!
The link to the "Turbo Mode" was kinda weak and just went to a Changelog, so I found this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/03/opera_10_beta_debut/
Dubbed Opera Turbo, the server-side technology reduces the amount of data that must be downloaded to render a given web page. It works by scaling back the size of some images and stripping out certain content types, said Opera spokesman Thomas Ford. Some content based on Adobe Flash, for example, isn't loaded unless a user clicks a button. In essence, Turbo works by establishing a proxy server through which compressed website content is funneled to the browser. It will not work with content that's encrypted using the Secure Sockets Layer protocol and delivers a benefit only when used on connections with limited bandwidth.
A fairly interesting concept. I wonder if Firefox is working on something like this. Seems it would be a useful idea to explore at least for embedded devices or when you are tethered through a cell phone or whatnot.
"The beta is currently available for every modern OS platform."
Really? Says who? I can't find any such statement on Operas site, and if it's true - where's the build for AmigaOS 4.1?
I installed it and used it on my Windows & Ubuntu machines and really liked Opera. It's clean and fast, and I love the sync option. For some reason I have trouble committing to it. I also liked the speed of Chrome and, God help me, IE8. I know they're great browsers but I guess I'm just happy with Firefox.
Maybe they should have put a big red R in the word turbo for racing, so that people will believe their browser goes faster. Or they should give all their users a Type-R sticker to print out.
as in: "Ma! It loaded the page in .05 milliseconds instead of .1 milliseconds! I can see the difference! It's definitely faster." /etc etc
Just FYI: in addition to the beta being available for all modern OSes, I see there is also a version for Windows.
And still no tagged bookmarks.
Which makes me sad. I'm willing to be patient for a while, and this is a beta, but there's been almost no real discussion on the Opera Desktop Team blog about it. I may well eventually cave and reinstall the QT3 dependencies, but I do hope that I won't have to.
The internet is more like a plumbing trap.
People pour masses of crap down it, but occasionally you need to reach in and search for a valuable item, and you come out covered in shit.
What were we talking about again?
A turbo "mode" eh ? Wake me up when it has a real turbo "button" !
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
I'd probably use it more frequenty if it had some Ad blocking capabilities. Speed Dial is a pretty nifty feature. I can't remember how long I've used Opera (since about '99 I think) and it was only ever my primary browser way back then. Used Mozilla for years before the pre 1.0 Firefox browser came about and haven't turned back from Firefox since. I doubt Opera could change that but it could see a larger timeshare with the ability for Extensions to check my mail and block ads. If those exist please correct me if I'm wrong!!
I have dismal luck with Firefox no matter which platform I run it on. It's slow to start, grows massive in memory, and aborts more often than any other piece of software I use.
Opera, on the other hand, works just fine for me. I don't ever remember it aborting, at least in the last two years. I love the implementation of the "Transfers" window.
I've given up on Firefox completely, but Opera has a home on my system.
Of course my opinion can be discarded by all of the cognoscenti here because for day-to-day browsing I use IE.
of software I'll never use.
Does it support SOCKS proxy yet?
I've been a big fan of Opera for a long time, but I'm growing more and more disappointed in it. First off, I have 9.64 and I get an 85 on the ACID3 test, but that isn't my biggest issue. My biggest issues usually evolves CSS and JavaScript. AJAX sites not working or menuing on some of the Net's largest sites not working. (forget using MLB.com) Not to mention I've seen Opera's footprint being over 700M and still growing before. Granted I had more than a few tabs, but that is ridiculous! It's currently 215M while FF3 is 250M which I find acceptable, but that isn't always the case. (I use both browsers at the sametime)
Opera passes an even tougher css test than acid3 -- unlike firefox and safari, it renders the titles of slashdot comments correctly.
Yes, that's a joke. To see what I'm talking about, use firefox or safari to navigate to the slashdot homepage, and then click on the "Read More..." link for a story in the news, science, or technology sections. (This Opera article is in the tech section, but if you have your default threshold for comments set high, like I do, you won't get any titles of comments displayed right now, simply because there aren't any highly up-moderated comments yet, so you won't get any comments displayed.) What you'll see is that the titles of stories are displayed in white on a white background.
This comment explains that it's due to a CSS bug in the stylesheets in certain sections. Here is a bug report that I did today in sourceforge. I couldn't find any earlier reports of this problem by searching on sourceforge's bug tracker, but they might exist -- this problem has been around for quite some time now. As a work-around, you can click on the story's title in the threshold form.
It would be interested to hear whether this is universally reproducible with firefox and safari, but please be very careful to follow the exact instructions above. It depends on which section the article is in, and it depends on whether or not you're getting a cached version of the story.
The fact that the slashdot crew hasn't noticed this bug on their own after such a long period of time makes me wonder how much attention they really pay to the site. (This is assuming that the bug really does occur for all firefox users.) We've had dupes and grammatical mistakes in summaries forever, but now that the firehose is handling submissions, it looks like the whole site is just on autopilot.
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Does it support full-fledged, browser-integrated addons yet?
Wake me when it does.
"The beta is currently available for every modern OS platform."
See google, it's not that hard, so stop crying about standards and get your act together. It's easier to criticize than to create.
always have
i always make sure the sites i code for render properly in opera, even though this has sometimes taken extra time and gotten me ridiculed
for sites where opera does not work, the slightest bit of tweaks in the javascript/css usually gets the site working, except for the fact the coder apparently doesn't care
usually coding for ie and firefox and webkit catches all the snags that would foul up opera. but opera does have its own quirks. most are nonlethal. for example, opera does not respect
html{overflow-y:scroll}
opera has issues with border-radius (hopefully version 10 fixes this)
some oddities involving a:focus/a:active, spacing issues with display:inline-block, etc.
all minor and nonlethal
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from TFS:
In addition to the browser's known features, like mouse gestures, keyboard shortcuts, voice navigation, mail and RSS support, speed dial and so forth[...]
Yes, keyboards are becoming ubiquitous. Who'd have thunk?
A quick look shows the OS X version passes Acid3, is about 10% slower on javascript benchmarks compared to the last version, and still has no support for system services so it can't use the same spelling checker as all the other OS X programs or the grammar checker or other tools. Basically, I don't see anything that is here to motivate me to switch. Opera may be a really nice browser for Windows, but it is still subpar for OS X.
You can always use a HOSTS file!
The beauty of that is, that it extends to EVERY web-bound app you have (unlike Adblock/AdBlock Plus, that only work in Mozilla/FireFox products)
So - think programs like Email also, where HTML is used (alongside scripting, the REAL "problem" (with bad adbanners for example, it IS the "delivery mechanism" basically - because it's truly the "root of all evil" here most times, & anyone can verify that statement @ SECUNIA or SECURITYFOCUS.COM for example, from their last 4-5 yrs. of data or more on records of exploits they have)).
HOSTS files provide not only security benefits here, but, also speedup benefits too, as a bonus (by blocking ads you gain speed, but blocking scripting even gets you more (only use it on sites you trust OR cannot do without to stay safe(r) vs. bad scripted pages/bad scripted adbanners)).
HOSTS files, customized ones, work here... & it's a solution that's easily edited/added to, + understood by users, as a bonus - Because as one of my best pals whom I 'turned onto' these has stated, verbatim? "All you need to do, is know how to use notepad.exe, how to read english, & to get a decent one to start with - as well as sources that update the data one needs to blockout bogus sites" (& I list a few below!)
The one I use here is populated with my own lists for HOSTS files since 1997 (30.000 entries long, mostly for adbanner blocking @ first 1997-2001), then later for security 2002 onwards...
I extended it further (to 654,000 unique entries currently & yes, I have to stop the Windows DNS client for that, it's 14mb for Windows NT/2000/XP/Server 2003, & up to 19mb (using 0.0.0.0) OR 26mb (using 127.0.0.1) for Windows VISTA/Server 2008/Windows7) per sources like:
1.) StopBadWare.org
2.) SRI
3.) Dancho Danchev's ZDNet Blog
4.) SpyBot "Search & Destroy" Immunize lists
5.) PLUS/LASTLY, using other reputable known HOSTS files shown @ wikipedia.com, here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file
All nearly DAILY updated here.
(& kept free of repeat entries via a program I wrote to do that, as well as alphabetize the entries, plus change them to a "faster up off disk into memory" internal schema for blocking out bad sites & adbanners, by going from the larger, slower 127.0.0.1 default loopback adapter IP, to either 0.0.0.0 (for VISTA/Server2k8/Windows 7, a mistake on MS' part I mentioned to they here -> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage [msdn.com] [msdn.com] which they started on 12/09/2008), OR the fastest & most efficient 0 blocking IP address))
HOSTS files are a good layer for this, then you can also "layer on" IE Restricted Zones, Opera filter.ini/urlfilter.ini, & FireFox addons like NoScript + its internal to browser restricted sites lists ontop of them, for the utmost in security protection AND speed (I do other things like use custom cascading style sheets & PAC file filtering as well, but those are another subject)...
APK
P.S.=> Layered security, AND, more speed... usually security things (like AntiVirus' programs for example) add another layer of processing complexity and slow you down... NOT HOSTS Files, & they work with EVERY WEBBOUND PROGRAM YOU HAVE... not just FireFox/Mozilla variants! apk
Javascript database support isn't mentioned. That's a bummer for those of us creating offline apps.
Random usage of all caps words for emphasis is annoying to read. Please look into your writing style and perhaps use and for italics instead of caps for emphasis.
Right click -> block content *ta-da* I also use it to block evil Google/Doublick tracking javascripts and it works a treat!
Opera is my primary browser, but it saddens me they have not implemented smart card support. Here in Estonia we use our ID-cards everyday and it's painful to use FF or IE for banking, voting etc.
So, does Opera have any functionality at least as good as AdBlockPlus and NoScript?
They are the /only/ reason I use Firefox. Really, for webbrowsers, AdBlock Plus is the killer app - if Opera can block ads at least that well, I'll be done with Firefox for good. If not, I have no reason to use it.
Why oh why do the shills get such hot panties every time a new version of Opera comes out?
Sure, it's a browser that works OK, but everyone who cares knows about it already. And those of us who have already tried it or who simply don't care still won't give a shit.
My copy of Firefox 3.5beta4 seems to get 93/100 on Acid3.
Now the scary thing is that my little page works in that, and BREAKS in Opera10! Which gets 100.
Damnit.
I presume I have to trust that "100% is better than 93%".
Does Opera have its OWN glitches or should I assume that whenever Firefox gets to 100% it will show the same glitch?
(That's like MS's ODF - "it passes spec" and still breaks.)
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It has already come up in this thread but I think it warrants another post on the subject. And just some quick background: I used Opera as my main browser since right around IE3. Looking it up now I see that IE3 came out in Aug 96' and Opera was released to the public in 96 as well. One of the main reasons I liked it was how they supported the nix platforms, albeit just with binaries, as well as Win32.
Anyway suffice to say I used Opera for a long time, recommended it to friends who I thought were advanced enough to use it (Bit of a backhanded statement I know but oh well.), and even was sad when I moved away from it late last year. And the reason I finally did move away from it was that Firefox + Ablock + Noscript simply is a better overall experience.
And yes I know Opera has/has had it's own content blocking for ages now, that is not the point. It is not nearly the same thing as plugging in Adblock, picking your list, and then you just go. I also say this having already used, and continue to use, my hosts file as a filter as well.
As good as Opera is, and I still think it does a lot of things better/faster than anything else, the again overall experience with Firefox when you have it's addon support makes it better. And Firefox is also a much better replacement when moving an end user away from IE.
Opera, unless they do some really bad things, will always have a home on my PCs but right now Firefox is better for day to day usage.
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
I'm a big fan of Opera and it has been my primary web browser for about six or seven years now. It's light, fast and sticks to standards. I used to wish it was open source, but the Opera team does such a good job, I don't mind.
As a side note, Opera is the only web brwoser that renders /. properly for me.
It's a very flexible, fast and secure browser and I look forward to the final version 10 release.
This has been discussed a gazillion times before.
Come back to us again when hosts can not only block whole advertising companies' domains, but also things like 'http://slashdot.org/ads/*', and thanks for playing.
My 0.02 cents
I use Opera since way back and I convinced a lot of my more computer educated friends to use it to... but last years was a pain. A lot of sites did not render well on Opera 9.x and I had to use snail FireFox for them. Opera 10 Alpha worked well dough, last half a year I used it instead of Firefox for sites that did not render correctly. 99.99% of sites I tried were rendered well and now that its status is beta I officially switched beta for my main browser. It works surprisingly good, integrated spell check is amazing and some of the old features that I had to enable/change them with editing .ini files are configurable now via GUI. And I have no idea why you folks diss Opera add-block, it works for long time as someone already mentioned, and it works good.
The only other browser I tried and was as good as Opera was Chrome, mainly because of it amazing speed and Opera failed on some Google Aps (no way of using spreadsheets with Opera 9.x).
Short story, stop dissing Opera, most of the critics here are gone with version 10 so try it first.
on there Wii browser.
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BeOS was supposed to be the 12th on the list of supported OSes. Somehow I dropped it to the bottom of the page. My bad.
I'd promise to preview next time, but I won't.
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$ grep kill ~/.bash_history | grep opera | tail -5
killall -9 opera
killall -USR2 opera
killall -9 opera
killall -9 -9 -9 opera
killall -9 opera
$ grep kill ~/.bash_history | grep opera | wc -l
175
I've used Opera for years since the 5.x days and have always loved it, but the past year it's generally becoming less stable and more annoying. It always seems to eat 100% cpu after some time, or crash at other times. Some builds are really terrible, stability- and performance-wise. Meanwhile Firefox is getting faster and faster and more stable and I'm finding myself opening Firefox more and more often.
However (unfortunately?), nothing comes close in handling lots of open tabs like Opera.
...a new interface...
Does the configuration dialog still look/feel awful? If so, is it an improved awful?
It may be ACID3 compliant, but it still can't correctly render two nested DIVs:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=250572
To see it fail, just go to this page in Opera 10: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/ , and resize your browser vertically (but NOT horizontally). It's been reported in the bugtracker, forums, forum PMs to developers, etc..
So please, when you file that bug report today that "Opera 10 doesn't render things correctly" to whatever your AJAX framework of choice happens to be, don't make a big deal out of the fact that it's "Acid3 compliant" and thus the AJAX framework developers must be in the wrong.
Wonder if that means if it will finally be able to change THE FONTSIZE on the fly on pages (as opposed to now where it just ZOOMs into the page)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Its getting worse and less readable over the years. Alas.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
just type /. in the address bar :)
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I prefer Privoxy. There are versions for Linux of various flavors, Windows and OS X and it works with every Web browser that supports proxies.
:)
While I can't speak for OS X, it's action files are plain text under Windows and Linux, and so copying modifications from the user action file on one OS to the other is trivial.
For me, it's more flexible than a hosts file-based approach, since the hosts file is global. Under Windows on my work laptop, I have to use IE to enter my service time, and so I leave its proxying disabled (it's the only thing that I use IE for on my work computer except for some SSL VPNs to which I have to connect from time to time), while enabling it under Firefox and Opera. If I run into a problem with a site with either of those, the first troubleshooting step I take is to disable the proxying - if that works, then I can create custom actions for that site as needed, and once working know that they will work everywhere.
At home all I have to do is copy the user action file to the directory on my NAS where I save shared configuration files, and then replicate it to the other computers (I keep meaning to automate all of this sometime...).
Neat, clean, flexible and easy to maintain - what's not to like?
Regards,
dj
"... clicking "change" in the bar at the top (without changing any thresholds) fixes the problem..."
Thanks. Works for me in Opera 9.64 and Firefox 3.0.10 on Windows XP.
And of course, that should read "While I can't speak for OS X, its action files", etc.
I'm glad to see that some of the major browsers are finally using thumbnail tabs that have been in OmniWeb for many years, but in the case of Opera 10, they made a major mistake by putting them at the top of the window, thus limiting the vertical area available for displaying content. The thumbnail tabs should be at the side of the main window, leaving the full height for content display. Why is vertical space more important than horizontal screen space for displaying content? Because web pages scroll vertically and robbing vertical screen space forces more scrolling. Web pages are limited in their horizontal extent for the same reason that newspapers are printed in columns--it makes reading text easier.
The Opera folks should put an option to place the thumbnail tabs on the right or left side.
A more minor mistake with the thumbnail tabs is that rather than scaling the thumbnails when revealing them, they are simply truncated.
I'll be sticking with OmniWeb at least until someone finally rips off every innovative and years-old feature of that browser.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Slashdot intentionally fucks things up so that people will complain about it, and therefore raise the comment count on every story. What other explanation could there be for explicitly writing css rules that make the comment titles white on white?
Come back to us when your "specific to browser addons" run on every webbrowser there is, instead of only 1 or only some as well as on email programs as well (or any web bound program period for that matter, as HOSTS files do), ok?
Any reason you cannot use this tool you note alongside a custom HOSTS file? After all - Layered security is "the trend", & to be blunt about it? The right thing to do.
APK
P.S.=> If you or the others replying read my entire post?? I do note that layered security is "the way to go", & no reason NOT to not layer other possible solutions ontop of the std. means/methods, IF they can "mesh", & most do (HOSTS are easy to manipulate using notepad.exe, & I noted its greatest strengths (more security, more speed, easy to manipulate + create etc. et al) with HOSTS files... In fact, on the note of "layered security"???
See here, if you're interested in securing a Windows NT-based PC of 'modern variety' (2000/XP/Server 2003 etc. et al) -> http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=245278fd6a7ee0c83b965d5b019b59e7&showtopic=2662 ... apk
Marketing people can DIAF.
I concur with your warm sentiment.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
-- possibly Terry Pratchett
it now includes a Turbo mode which bellows your pyre to get faster coking
Well, as bad as it sounds, it's more comprehensible than Draino packets.
See, I ask kindly to be corrected if I'm wrong and then get modded as a troll. Guess that's why there is "the Internet".
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28203827
That is where I asked a guy here who posted as "A/C" also like myself, no less, to produce his PHD in the English language, prior to telling ME "how to write" (& odds are I have been doing so longer than he has been alive no less) - & I too, was "modded down" as 'flamebait', lol (not that it matters - I was also "modded up" as 'insightful' in my 1st/original post here in this very thread -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285 SO, it all "evens out").
Hey - my asking for proof of his expertise in writing? Well, imo @ least, THAT IS FAIR TO DO, on my part!
(I interpret these "wannabe english prof.'s online" to be nothing more than trolls themselves actually, because I have yet to see 1 of them that offers anything of technical merit in the science of computing while they are @ the table).
I suppose you have it right in 1 regards, when you said "Guess that's why there is the internet" (it's the 1 place they can get away with it, & posting as A/C no less in doing so)...
APK
P.S.=> Well, time for my A.M. "consciousness fuel" (coffee!!!), & "onwards & upwards"... apk
Glitches are there in all the browsers. Your page could be broken because of a standard or just because Opera does something differently than Firefox does. It would be a bad idea IMO to trust the results of one browser over another's because of the ACID test.
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Funny how I was modded down for asking for a simple proof of "the wannabe english prof" (minus his PHD in english no less) actually having somekind of proof of his possession of a PHD in English to his name...
Man - it's always the same, a lot of "you ought to write this way" types out there online, but, as usual, they have no actual proofs of those who do so possessing anykind of certification in the English language.
APK