Oh, Noes! My Apple is far safer than anything. Steve told me so.
What's funny is that Fandroids are so hostile to everybody else that right now Google is running ads showing animals getting along with other animals. It's hard to take you seriously when your own overlord is telling you to reign it in.
Yes, but they also have certain commonalities. Just like almost all gas engines have a fuel pump, if you want to kill a gas engine, you might want to consider cutting power to the fuel pump. They have have different types of ignition systems, they might have forced air induction, they might be 4, 6, 8 cylinders, etc... but most cancer cells do share a lot of common pathways.
That's a good point. Mind if I forward your post to my doctor?
Between the disruption of well established television model, the impressive evolution of the capabilities of the internet, and the recent decision on Net Neutrality I'm convinced you're trying to sound smart by being contrarian.
...the fact is those working on a compatible BIOS had the IBM source code with comments to work from
... they clean-room reverse engineered it.
That is pretty open and greatly facilitated the creation of a compatible BIOS.
The fact remains that IBM published the source code to the embedded firmware, that is by definition open.
You can nitpick individual details all you like, but at the end of the day Compaq created the clone of the BIOS despite IBM, not with support from them.
Clean room design (also known as the Chinese wall technique) is the method of copying a design by reverse engineering and then recreating it without infringing any of the copyrights and trade secrets associated with the original design. Clean room design is useful as a defense against copyright and trade secret infringement because it relies on independent invention.
The success of the IBM computer led other companies to develop IBM Compatibles, which in turn led to branding like diskettes being advertised as "IBM format". An IBM PC clone could be built with off-the-shelf parts, but the BIOS required some reverse-engineering. Companies like Compaq, Phoenix Software Associates, American Megatrends, Award, and others achieved fully functional versions of the BIOS, allowing companies like DELL, Gateway and HP to manufacture PCs that worked like IBM's product. The IBM PC became the industry standard.
Using off-the-shelf parts is not the same as being open.
We don't feel that way due to some justification, we just do feel that way because we can't help it and then we rationalize that.
Actually... It is being rationalized on both sides of the debate, not one. Logic is being used, but only for one set of values, leading to a mistaken impression that one is right, as opposed to just having an opinion. Nobody is on any higher ground than "I have buddies here that agree with me". The reason for that is that this article was never about choosing which lives to save. The poster I replied to, in order to pose as a 'smarter than the rest of us' person, attempted to pervert it into that. But since he based it on a misunderstanding of why it came up in the first place, replying to my post about the actual value of the individual lives is fruitless. This scenario doesn't lend itself to this discussion.
None of what you said has any relevance to why the number of children and infants was brought up by the news outlet. If you want to have a hypothetical debate about the value of children, then let's talk about a scenario involving life boats.
Adults have lived some of their life. Kids have missed out on things most believe everbody should be able to do before they die, like their first kiss.
Everybody here actually understands this, I have no idea why you all picked now to suddenly act like you're Mr. Spock.
I don't know which distro, I just know my friend griped about me sending him links to sites that use Flash because they frequently crashed Firefox. Heh
Yes, if you substitute one belief for another you greatly change the outcome of the extrapolation. "I beleive AI will never exist so that won't happen." Thanks for supporting my point that this sort of extrapolation is not science.
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I'd rather see people working on Earth's climate...
Then get off Slashdot and get to it!
Oh, Noes! My Apple is far safer than anything. Steve told me so.
What's funny is that Fandroids are so hostile to everybody else that right now Google is running ads showing animals getting along with other animals. It's hard to take you seriously when your own overlord is telling you to reign it in.
Okie doke, just wondering. One time I had two laptops start talking to each other via IRDA because the signal was bouncing off my white shirt.
Yes, but they also have certain commonalities. Just like almost all gas engines have a fuel pump, if you want to kill a gas engine, you might want to consider cutting power to the fuel pump. They have have different types of ignition systems, they might have forced air induction, they might be 4, 6, 8 cylinders, etc... but most cancer cells do share a lot of common pathways.
That's a good point. Mind if I forward your post to my doctor?
It sure is a funny coincidence that television viewers generally have line of sight to the set.
Huh. Growing up, were you one of those kids that never actually played with the remote?
So its obvious that any AI, advanced enough, will try to kill us all.
Yeah yeah, we get it, we all saw Terminator.
Yeah, that's why television remote controls are always so fussy.
Between the disruption of well established television model, the impressive evolution of the capabilities of the internet, and the recent decision on Net Neutrality I'm convinced you're trying to sound smart by being contrarian.
It would also depend on if it's the path of least resistance to reach that goal. With this sort of scheme...? No.
OMG, not the RED uniform.
This is Voyager not TOS, you dumbshit Pakled.
You don't end up with more money than you started with when you get tax breaks.
This guy....everything he touches turns to shit.
Yeah! You can totally tell he ditched the courses in philanthropy and real-estate back in film school.
This is a night and day difference with respect to reverse engineering...
No, it isn't. They had to go further out of their way to dance around that issue in order to make a legal clone.
...and the fact that IBM didn't want a compatible BIOS to be produced does not change this.
It changes this part:
Compaq et al were able to create clones because the IBM PC was an open platform.
...the fact is those working on a compatible BIOS had the IBM source code with comments to work from
... they clean-room reverse engineered it.
That is pretty open and greatly facilitated the creation of a compatible BIOS.
The fact remains that IBM published the source code to the embedded firmware, that is by definition open.
You can nitpick individual details all you like, but at the end of the day Compaq created the clone of the BIOS despite IBM, not with support from them.
Clean room design (also known as the Chinese wall technique) is the method of copying a design by reverse engineering and then recreating it without infringing any of the copyrights and trade secrets associated with the original design. Clean room design is useful as a defense against copyright and trade secret infringement because it relies on independent invention.
IBM published the source code to their BIOS. That is pretty open and greatly facilitated the creation of a compatible BIOS.
Heh. No. Compaq reverse-engineered their BIOS. Here's some more reading material.
Perhaps corporations can get cyanogen out of the dorm and mom's basement and get it some serious usage.
Or Google could release an OS that doesn't require vendors' permission to install... like Microsoft does. Hah.
From the same link:
The success of the IBM computer led other companies to develop IBM Compatibles, which in turn led to branding like diskettes being advertised as "IBM format". An IBM PC clone could be built with off-the-shelf parts, but the BIOS required some reverse-engineering. Companies like Compaq, Phoenix Software Associates, American Megatrends, Award, and others achieved fully functional versions of the BIOS, allowing companies like DELL, Gateway and HP to manufacture PCs that worked like IBM's product. The IBM PC became the industry standard.
Using off-the-shelf parts is not the same as being open.
We don't feel that way due to some justification, we just do feel that way because we can't help it and then we rationalize that.
Actually... It is being rationalized on both sides of the debate, not one. Logic is being used, but only for one set of values, leading to a mistaken impression that one is right, as opposed to just having an opinion. Nobody is on any higher ground than "I have buddies here that agree with me". The reason for that is that this article was never about choosing which lives to save. The poster I replied to, in order to pose as a 'smarter than the rest of us' person, attempted to pervert it into that. But since he based it on a misunderstanding of why it came up in the first place, replying to my post about the actual value of the individual lives is fruitless. This scenario doesn't lend itself to this discussion.
None of what you said has any relevance to why the number of children and infants was brought up by the news outlet. If you want to have a hypothetical debate about the value of children, then let's talk about a scenario involving life boats.
It doesn't.
Yeah, you can tell how unknown he is by the fact a movie was just released about him.
I wish contrarianism didn't beocome so popular on this site. I mean, really, taking a shot at Hawking?
Your argument is illogical. Whether you ever kiss another person is irrelevant.
I heard your entire post in my head in Seven of Nine's voice.
Adults have lived some of their life. Kids have missed out on things most believe everbody should be able to do before they die, like their first kiss.
Everybody here actually understands this, I have no idea why you all picked now to suddenly act like you're Mr. Spock.
What's the value of an asshole that spends his evening judging the value of others he has never met?
I don't know which distro, I just know my friend griped about me sending him links to sites that use Flash because they frequently crashed Firefox. Heh
Yes, if you substitute one belief for another you greatly change the outcome of the extrapolation. "I beleive AI will never exist so that won't happen." Thanks for supporting my point that this sort of extrapolation is not science.