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Hackers Used Nasty "SMB Worm" Attack Toolkit Against Sony

wiredmikey writes Just hours after the FBI and President Obama called out North Korea as being responsible for the destructive cyber attack against Sony Pictures, US-CERT issued an alert describing the primary malware used by the attackers, along with indicators of compromise. While not mentioning Sony by name in its advisory, instead referring to the victim as a "major entertainment company," US-CERT said that the attackers used a Server Message Block (SMB) Worm Tool to conduct the attacks. According to the advisory, the SMB Worm Tool is equipped with five components, including a Listening Implant, Lightweight Backdoor, Proxy Tool, Destructive Hard Drive Tool, and Destructive Target Cleaning Tool. US-CERT also provided a list of the Indicators of Compromise (IOCs), which include C2 IP addresses, Snort signatures for the various components, host based Indicators, potential YARA signatures to detect malware binaries on host machines, and recommended security practices and tactical mitigations.

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  1. Super Mario Bros. Worm by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    How often do you see Server Message Block spelled out in news stories? I guess someone really wanted to avoid implying that Sony Computer Entertainment's rival Nintendo might be behind the attack.

    1. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by sholden · · Score: 1

      US-CERT does and so when an article is just copy-n-pasted from the cert notice the article does too.

    2. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Obama become a Republican when I wasn't looking?

    3. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There is a difference? Could someone finally point it out, from afar the parties look too identical.

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    4. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Why didn't they use the name everyone would recognize? Windows file sharing.

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    5. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure there is a big difference. One is a right wing party. The other is fascist.

    6. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by antdude · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of Samba like smb://. :D

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    7. Re:Super Mario Bros. Worm by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It makes a large multinational corporation look bad. Most people don't know that SMB pretty much == Windows == just another Microsoft security problem.

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  2. Supreme Leader by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I really want to know is how did the FBI figure out it was the work of North Korean government agents. Except for a privileged few, North Koreans are completely blocked off from the outside world and would never hear of this movie even if it won more Oscars than the Titanic. Why would North Korea reveal its capabilities and tactics in such dramatic fashion to achieve nothing of any value. It seems to me that all the speculation that was in the news recently about Kim's disappearance from public life and his possible overthrow was far more damaging to the cult of the Supreme Leader than some silly comedy.

    1. Re:Supreme Leader by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I really want to know is how did the FBI figure out it was the work of North Korean government agents.

      "Never let a good crisis go to waste". They don't seriously think it was North Korea. Instead, there is an ulterior motive for blaming North Korea.

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    2. Re:Supreme Leader by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the real comedy is the reaction to the threats. Worth every penny. And now that we know these kind of threats actually work, we should see some regular old extortion and blackmail pretty soon. Sounds like a real money maker, better than real estate.

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    3. Re:Supreme Leader by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why would North Korea reveal its capabilities and tactics in such dramatic fashion to achieve nothing of any value.

      Because they are obsessed with the "respect" to their Dear Leader. It is a cult obcession with these people, don't try to read logic into it. Think "Scientologists".

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    4. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Why are you talking about the Democrats when the story is about the North Koreans?

    5. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The North Koreans have trained an elite group of hackers.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/05/us-sony-cybersecurity-northkorea-idUSKCN0JJ08B20141205

    6. Re:Supreme Leader by dwywit · · Score: 1

      They built a GUI using visual basic and tracked the hackers' IP address.

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    7. Re:Supreme Leader by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Except for a privileged few, North Koreans are completely blocked off from the outside world

      Umm, I think you answered that question already. You don't think North Korea's cyberterrorism military unit just might be part of those "privileged few"?

      Why would North Korea reveal its capabilities and tactics in such dramatic fashion to achieve nothing of any value

      Maybe because their Supreme Leader is a total loon? This is the same guy who has among hundreds of other insane actions decreed that anyone with his name needed to change it immediately. He lives for drama and vanity and wants his citizens to think of him as a demigod. He's a fucking international drama queen of the highest level...

    8. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't even joke about equating such a totalitarian brutal regime like Scientology with North Korea. At least North Korea doesn't force abortions upon its citizens.

    9. Re:Supreme Leader by X.25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I really want to know is how did the FBI figure out it was the work of North Korean government agents. Except for a privileged few, North Koreans are completely blocked off from the outside world and would never hear of this movie even if it won more Oscars than the Titanic. Why would North Korea reveal its capabilities and tactics in such dramatic fashion to achieve nothing of any value. It seems to me that all the speculation that was in the news recently about Kim's disappearance from public life and his possible overthrow was far more damaging to the cult of the Supreme Leader than some silly comedy.

      Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhh. You're asking questions, you shouldn't do that.

      Just trust the government.

    10. Re:Supreme Leader by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that all the speculation that was in the news recently about Kim's disappearance from public life and his possible overthrow was far more damaging to the cult of the Supreme Leader than some silly comedy.

      With thinking like that, clearly you don't have what it takes to make it in the Dictator business.

      BTW, has anybody seen Chaplin's "The Great Dicatator"? It's truly a masterpiece. Then again, Seth Rogen ain't no Chaplin... Of course, I haven't seen "The Interview", but it flunks what I call "The Trailer Test." Typically, they put the highlights of a movie in the trailer, so if the trailer isn't funny/interesting/appealing, there isn't much hope for the rest of the movie. And so it is with "The Interview." And from some of the reviews I've read, the critics agree.

      Makes you wonder if the North Korean leaders even understand that the best thing to do about a bad movie that offends you is just ignore it, rather than to give it lots of publicity. But when I put on my totalitarian hat, we must, without doubt, stamp out any offense to our Dear Great Supreme Leader Dictator, at any cost!

    11. Re:Supreme Leader by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      They don't seriously think it was North Korea. Instead, there is an ulterior motive for blaming North Korea.

      I'm totally receptive to the idea that it's not North Korea, but I gotta insist that any "skeptic" provide an alternative positive explanation.

      I mean, like, what exactly makes you think "they don't seriously think it was North Korea"?

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    12. Re:Supreme Leader by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think this is actually a conspiracy by the North Koreans to make us think the Americans did it. You see, the North Koreans hatched a scheme to do something that looks like a scheme that the Americans would cook up just so they could blame it on the North Koreans. At least that's what I come up when I shave it with Occam's Razor.

      Don't feel bad for falling for it, though - the North Koreans are exceedingly cunning and circumlocutious.

    13. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What attack? This was Sony.

      1. Make movie crazy dictator will hate and don't do much advertising for it.
      2. Hack yo'self (or pretend to.) and say you've been threatened by crazy dictator.
      3. "Pull" movie at last minute and sit on it a week.
      4. Profit x10 cause 'Murica!

    14. Re:Supreme Leader by AqD · · Score: 1

      You'll sent to NK for questioning the supreme agency FBI of USA.

    15. Re:Supreme Leader by dcollins · · Score: 2

      You're like the guy who watches a magician conjure an elephant and smugly go, "He had it up his sleeve".

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    16. Re:Supreme Leader by ixidor · · Score: 1

      make it so, number1!

    17. Re:Supreme Leader by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      North Korea threatened war with the US over The Interview back in June 2014. Sounded like typical NK bluster back then. "Merciless retaliation" on the US would occur if the movie came out. Source: See: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-... Sony got hacked over The Interview. What other entity, other then North Korea, would bother to screw with Sony to such an extent unless they were deeply offended? The timing of the attack is not likely a coincidence.

    18. Re: Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on... Some Sony servers had passwords such as S0ny123|admin, you need no top notch military hackers to own them...

    19. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, There are few IP lines into or out of there. Guess who owns the endpoints on the fiber? A review of the logs and checksum of all fire transfers, and we have a match.

      Shhhh. You didn't see this here.
      Nevermind. It's general knowledge now.

    20. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean why is he talking about communists when the story is about communists?

    21. Re:Supreme Leader by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      If you're right they blew it. They should have blamed Russia and added more pressure. As it happens I don't think they're just making stuff up.

    22. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least North Korea doesn't force abortions upon its citizens.

      You're right. It's worse than that. In North Korea, there are weekly mandatory visits to the Psychiatrist's office! The horror!

    23. Re: Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think gp went after reasons to do it not ways to do it or who could have done it. The problem with 'reasons' approach is that most humans do not have any.

    24. Re:Supreme Leader by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If I bought one of their rootkit CDs and infected my system, I could see getting a bit miffed, especially after that idiotic statement of how ""Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" and the "settlement" which essentially said Sony can do whatever they please and don't even get a slap on the wrist.

      You see, when the law fails, vigilantes are not far.

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    25. Re: Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I heard our great leader say Sony should have asked him first what they should do, it reminded me of the type of guy who says "if I was there, I would've kicked their ass", whose friends look awkwardly at each other, sure thing Barry, sure thing.

    26. Re:Supreme Leader by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Guess who owns the endpoints on the fiber?

      China...

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    27. Re:Supreme Leader by rockout · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, ask all the questions you want. Just realize, when you assure people that it "must" be a ruse to provide an excuse to attack North Korea, you sound as loony as the NK leadership.

      I'm not saying NK definitely did plan a cyberattack against Sony; it's an open question at this point. But when you smugly assert that you know it's our own government, with your only proof being your own paranoid crazy logic, you're really not advancing the conversation any.

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    28. Re:Supreme Leader by GNious · · Score: 1

      Uh, I have one!

      The US Government have found out that The Interview is also making fun of it, and of NSA/FBI/CSI, and ordered the cyber-attack as a cover-up for threatening Sony bosses to withdraw the movie.
      Afterwards, they blamed the attack on North Korea, in a move that is oddly reminiscent of the humor used in The Interview.

      no?

    29. Re:Supreme Leader by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I mean, like, what exactly makes you think "they don't seriously think it was North Korea"?

      Silly boy, because everyone know's it's the "Best Korea".

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    30. Re:Supreme Leader by kencurry · · Score: 1

      Exactly, if NK had half a brain, they would realize that Seth Rogen movies are on a pretty steep downward trend. Let it die, and look on with a little smugness, a little pity.

      Also, Umm, Sony? could you do more to be idiots when it comes to security within and without your business groups?

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    31. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet when we get things like the Snowden leaks people like you are suddenly frothing at the mouth that duh, of course the government did this, we've known all along. Skepticism and an inclination towards suspicion of conspiracy are the only way you will come close to the truth in this modern world.

    32. Re: Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is enough controversy, they get lots of free publicity for the movie they now blame for the breakin.

    33. Re:Supreme Leader by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Why in fuck would you take a highly visible attack with serious consequences to an international business homed outside this country, and blame the wrong people?

      Other than conspiracy retards, I can't think of any reason why you would want to piss them off like that. I pride myself on arguing any side of any argument, but I can't see any reason other than "illuminati have their reasons" horseshit.

      I don't even care about facts on this one, I just want to know what this serves that we couldn't otherwise accomplish really easily with a low level official and a vague press conference.

      Falsely demonstrating NK cyber capabilities? Strain international relations? Short some stock and make billions?

      You people really are crazy.

    34. Re:Supreme Leader by genner · · Score: 1

      They built a GUI using visual basic and tracked the hackers' IP address.

      It's a Unix system, I know this

    35. Re:Supreme Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Because they are obsessed with the "respect" to their Dear Leader. It is a cult obcession with these people, don't try to read logic into it."

      Therefore they did it?

      Could someone post the correct technical response to the original post?
      "What I really want to know is how did the FBI figure out it was the work of North Korean government agents."

    36. Re:Supreme Leader by mcswell · · Score: 1

      > Why would North Korea reveal its capabilities and tactics

      They didn't reveal it, the FBI did.

      > to achieve nothing of any value.

      If you think that, then you don't know who Kim Jong-Un is. Stopping this movie is an obvious goal for NK; they complained about it in the UN months ago. That's not proof that they did it (or hired someone to do it), but saying retaliating against Sony is not of value to them displays a lack of cultural understanding, to say the least.

      If you want an analogy, you might look at the "Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy".

    37. Re:Supreme Leader by mcswell · · Score: 1

      He's not saying "therefore they did it", he's responding to Doriany's contention that the attack against Sony "achieve nothing of any value" for the North Koreans. In other words, Frosty Piss is not claiming this is evidence of guilt, but he is saying that it's a possible motive.

    38. Re:Supreme Leader by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but why am I expected to have the information to provide an explanation? I'm skeptical about what the government says because they have been shown to lie about as often as to tell the truth. Probably more often in publicized statements, but often you can't tell. This doesn't point at anyone else in particular. There are several plausible candidates. Somebody who's mad about how Pirate Bay has been treated is plausible. So is the Russian Mafia. North Korea's name is in the hat, but until there's some real evidence cutting down the size of the hat it would be foolish to believe that they are the perpetrators. Somebody else suggested Sony itslef, and a variation on that, "it was an inside job", is quite plausible. etc. There's really little limit to the number of plausible perpetrators when there is so little constraining evidence. (An anonymous e-mail isn't evidence of anything unless you can show at least where it was sent from.)

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    39. Re:Supreme Leader by savuporo · · Score: 1

      There are tons of people out there that could be pissed with Sony in general for any number of reasons, such as publishing their credit card details from PSN 2011 hack or whatever.
      Also, if there is any country that would see japanese megacorps take hits, it's actually South Korea - their actual economic rival. Or China. If this is more of industrial espionage, corporation scale cyberwar i can think of a couple large ones that might have resources and will to do this - and then implicate the funny NORKs.

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    40. Re:Supreme Leader by inline_four · · Score: 1

      You're asking two questions:

      Why would North Korea attempt this, if it was indeed them?

      North Korean society is not as isolated as it once was, in part thanks to smuggled IT, especially on the borders. North Korean population is starting to watch South Korean television and generally consume international news sources more and more, which means North Korean leadership is either finding themselves the ones at a certain informational disadvantage, not quite knowing if they are sitting on a powder keg of dissent, or they feel they know what's going on and want to reign public opinion in. Either way, showing they are still a player on the international stage, even with something so ridiculous as a "made you look" kind of stunt, probably does the job, sad as it is.

      How would US investigators know that it is North Korea, if it was indeed them?

      Not everything is being disclosed. It's possible that the investigators or those in charge of public relations on the western side are overplaying strength of evidence. In some way, if there is a desire to tie this to North Korean, then this is a perfect opportunity, regardless of whether it can proven or not. In that way, it makes sense from an international relations point of view. At the same time, there may well be counter-intelligence shedding light on this, that the western authorities don't feel they can disclose. What's peculiar about that, is that situations like this give governments good information without ability to act on it for fear of erasing an intelligence advantage somewhere else. This was the case with the Rosenbergs. At the time of their conviction and execution, intelligence officials knew of their innocence, but the evidence for that was obtained through covert means and could not have been used, thus the tragic events were allowed to unfold. In the end, it's very hard for anyone not involved in this to parse out what's really going on.

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    41. Re: Supreme Leader by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      When I heard our great leader say Sony should have asked him first what they should do, it reminded me of the type of guy who says "if I was there, I would've kicked their ass", whose friends look awkwardly at each other, sure thing Barry, sure thing.

      Or maybe because relations with foreign powers, particularly hostile governments, is actually the President's job. But sure, keep up with the Barry nonsense.

    42. Re:Supreme Leader by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Except for a privileged few, North Koreans are completely blocked off from the outside world

      Which is a pretty good reason why if a hacking attempt originated in North Korea, it would be state-run or at least state-sponsored.

  3. Is there any protection against SMB worm ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Hacking activities are happening around us, from companies managing parking garages to Sony to Staples to whatnots ...

    I've read Schneier's article which in essence telling us that there is no foolproof way to prevent hacking attempt

    I do reckoned that "foolproof" in the IT field is nothing short of fairy tales, but still, I do think there ought to be ways, online and offline, that we can do, to at least cut down, to minimize, our companies' exposure to the (oft state-sponsored) hacking groups

    Any link (or links), suggestion, recommendation, whatever, that you guys (and gals) can share?

    Thanks !

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    1. Re:Is there any protection against SMB worm ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Just Don't Use Windows.

      "But... but... other platforms" I hear you say "have vulnerabilities too".

      Yes, but no "Nasty 'SMB Worm' vulnerability".

      Yes, yes. I'll be here all evening. Try th turnips, they're delicious!

    2. Re:Is there any protection against SMB worm ? by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Hacking activities are happening around us, from companies managing parking garages to Sony to Staples to whatnots ...

      I've read Schneier's article which in essence telling us that there is no foolproof way to prevent hacking attempt

      I do reckoned that "foolproof" in the IT field is nothing short of fairy tales, but still, I do think there ought to be ways, online and offline, that we can do, to at least cut down, to minimize, our companies' exposure to the (oft state-sponsored) hacking groups

      Any link (or links), suggestion, recommendation, whatever, that you guys (and gals) can share?

      Thanks !

      Is there any protection against SMB worm ?

      I've always considered SMB to be a steaming pile of crap for reasons that have nothing to do with security and this incident just adds another steaming shovel full of manure to that pile. The best protection agains SMB worms is not to use crap like SMB but pick something more secure instead, that is to say if such an animal even exists. In that case you can either try to find a vendor who offers a similar product and does a better job of testing and patching it than Microsoft does or go with an Open Source alternative which gives you the option of hiring a third party to test and patch it to your satisfaction. Mind you even if SMB is a pain to use the problem does not necessarily have to be with Microsoft. The problem could actually be with your systems department being lazy and negligent about patching their SMB software and the problem could also be with lax, amateurish or even non existent security policies or if you do have a proper security policy the problem could be a complete failure to enforce it. In that case you really only have one alternative and that is to light a fire under your people, fire them if they put up a fight and hire some proper sysadmins and a security chief with the same attitude toward instilling professionalism and security awareness in your employees and a marine drill sergeant has toward making proper soldiers out of every batch of teenage drama queens he is handed by the recruitment office.

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  4. I prefer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer to use the "Nice" smb worm. I hate Nasty.

  5. Can we stop the embellishment? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't seen any evidence that the mechanics of the attack itself is at all noteworthy, yet we keep hearing about how this attack was unstoppable, "nasty", etc. -- not just from Sony's PR guys, but from the FBI. As if it could have targeted literally any company and caused just as unmitigated damage.

    To me, a "nasty" worm is Stuxnet: it spread in a very standard innocuous way and seemed like any other worm, but ended up being highly targeted.

    This Sony hack just seems like your average trojan worm leaking an admin password back to someone. The only noteworthy part of this hack is that Sony had such horrifyingly moronic security practices that one attack was able to compromise such a large and varying corpus of valuable data.

    1. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      I haven't read anything that suggests North Korea would have been successful if Sony switched to using two factor authentication on sensitive devices. Then again, I haven't read anything about Sony hiring NSE's after any of the times the have been ownt. Then again, karma for the root kit and not hiring people that can protect them is two factor in its own way.

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    2. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? Apparently they quickly took control of almost every one one of Sony's servers and workstations. Literally took entire control, stole all of the useful data, wiped out all of their servers, and then owned all of the workstations so that they were useless but able to broadcast any message they wanted to them.

      That's a *bit* more coordinated than "your average trojan worm". Unless you really think based on extremely limited information you know more than all of the security researchers and government investigators looking into it... (hint: sorry, you don't).

    3. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? Apparently they quickly took control of almost every one one of Sony's servers and workstations.

      Wired mentions (without giving a source) an interview with a self-proclaimed member of GoP who claims Sony's network was infiltrated for a year.

      I'm not sure what you consider "quickly," but a year is a long time, even while rooting around in a corporate network as large as Sony's.

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    4. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And the media keeps making out like it could happen to any company. I should seriously hope not. I'd like to think they're not all this stupid.

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    5. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You are right, and so is the FBI.

      Yes, this was only possible because Sony had such horrifyingly moronic security practices.

      And yes, this could have targeted (nearly) any company and caused just as much unmitigated damage.

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    6. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      It was kind of nasty, though, was it not? Muhahahahahaha... *evil laughter*

    7. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's common practice to put all of your servers and workstations in an active directory domain, and once you have a tiny foothold on an active directory domain it is almost always trivially easy to get administrative privileges over the whole domain (have been working as a pentester for 10+ years and never failed to get domain admin when the job scope allowed it)...
      Once you have domain admin, you typically have access to pretty much everything. Even if the organisation has devices which aren't linked to active directory (typically unix boxes, routers, switches etc), you will probably find that the guys responsible for managing these devices do so from a windows workstation which is part of the domain, so you just find their workstation and start keylogging (or in many cases just find the textfile full of passwords).
      Also in my experience, very few companies notice once you take control of their domain, and as a legitimate pentester i'm not trying to cover my tracks. The chances of most organisations noticing someone who is being careful is virtually 0.

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    8. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, yes they are...
      Most companies have a horrendously insecure internal network, with virtually everything tied to an active directory domain which is laughably easy to compromise. They follow what they believe are best practices by installing patches every month, using strong passwords, setting account lockouts etc, but because of how the system is designed it only takes one weakness to make everything fall down. And then they will probably spend a lot of money buying "security software" that just makes the systems run far slower, while not fixing any of the underlying weaknesses.

      Most company networks are like a tardis, they use a network firewall to ensure that only a tiny fraction is visible from the outside, but once you get inside it's much bigger. All it takes is for one minor breach in the firewall by someone semi competent and 99% of companies would be looking at a catastrophic breach. If it hasn't happened to your company yet then it's either a) luck, or b) it has happened but the perpetrators have other motives than publicity

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    9. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Really? Apparently they quickly took control of almost every one one of Sony's servers and workstations. Literally took entire control, stole all of the useful data, wiped out all of their servers, and then owned all of the workstations so that they were useless but able to broadcast any message they wanted to them.

      That's a *bit* more coordinated than "your average trojan worm". Unless you really think based on extremely limited information you know more than all of the security researchers and government investigators looking into it... (hint: sorry, you don't).

      They had access for over a year...
      http://www.businessweek.com/ne...

      Sony didn't even have rudimentary security established. Pretty much any teenager with basic skills could have taken them out.

    10. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Active Directory.

    11. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by kesuki · · Score: 1

      every system has it's weaknesses.

      linux is not immune from this either, but all the tools to manually secure a network are built in and some have guides on the internet as how to secure them.

      do you honestly believe a system used to connect 30,000 people is going to be easy to secure? and those people need to do computer tasks and office tasks and make art and special effects etc.

      keep in mind Microsoft claims all it's products are 'secure' if you patch them. all the real windows security content i've paged through is essentially boils down to this... don't connect it to an unsecured line. that is insanely easy to breach with a cell phone. which is why hospitals say not to use a cellular device and have a desktop background that identifies itself as being a medical computer and that it is against the law for unauthorized use.

      seriously the security is a desktop wallpaper. and of course the electronic firewall. i remember when you needed winsock.dll to connect a windows machine to an internet connected device, like a unix machine. linux for the desktop is a little better than windows security but intrusion detection and prevention is still needed on any system that pretends to be secure.

      the fact that very few people actually know what they are doing only makes the problem worse, and the vast majority of the 'best computing practice' boils down to 'use a firewall to pretend like you don't exist on the internet' however truly free software enables security though many methods including obscurity and through knowing what every command does and how it was developed and what really works.a series of admins who know what they are doing can in fact make a secure network and have secure communication. but the people willing to learn that much complex stuff are rare. it is a task better suited to an artificial intelligence than a human being. as an artificial intelligence can quickly scan almost every thing it takes a human hours to do, in mere seconds. however without the human the machine has no one to imitate, so there need to be people who really understand computer networks to assist the machine in keeping systems humming even on the internet, where for some bizarre reason people willingly connect devices with the hope of having fun or getting paid money, while also putting those devices at risk if they are not properly secured, and any insecure line those devices may open for their general use.

    12. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, the best infections/malware in history (I think Stuxnet) was delivered via a bunch of USB drives scattered around a couple of parking lots... Any or MOST companies may have lots of firewalls and anti-malware apps running. It won't stop that fatass Glenda in marketing from popping the USB thumdrive that has a Strawberry Shortcake silkscreened on it, into her computer, and infecting the whole damn network. Glenda thinks, "What's that? The warnings from IT a few months ago to not put anything in your computer unless they approve it? Nah, it's been a while. Surely that doesn't count now. Not for this."

    13. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      You could take control quickly and hold it for a year. You could infiltrate and hold it for a year, then quickly take control.

      You seem to say that the only reason your GoP source said it that way is that it took a year to execute.

      Reading comprehension and citations; that's how discussion moves forward.

    14. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I've seen big corporate networks that didn't work that way.

      They're not all like that.

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    15. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I had read that, too. By took control I meant literally "took control". They infiltrated it (and there are rumors there was an insider to help with that) but then they activated everything very quickly, without warning, and basically stole data and destroyed the servers before anyone had a chance to do anything.

      My point was the overall attack was way WAY beyond some simple trojan worm getting an admin password...

    16. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like talents of the caliber of the creators of Stuxnet were needed in order to carry out this Sony attack.

    17. Re:Can we stop the embellishment? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      No, I'm just saying that those here who keep saying "any 16 year old with a computer" could have done it are way underestimating it. Since I'm assuming most here are older than 16 and have a computer, are you all saying you could do this trivially given a few hours, a pizza, and a couple Mountain Dews? Bullshit.

  6. Re:Server Message Block (SMB) Worm Tool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SMB is predominantly a Microsoft technology you idiot.

  7. SMB, eh? by KagatoLNX · · Score: 1

    <troll>Ah, Windows... the gift that keeps on giving.</troll>

    Seriously, though... this is pretty ugly. It checks back every five minutes for each machine. You would think that Sony IT would notice that network traffic (or, say, the fact that all of their Windows desktops started listening on port 443). The moral of this story is run an IDS, scan your network, and pay attention to it all! :(

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    1. Re:SMB, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you turn on account lockouts with the default time as any editions of Windows Server past 2000, this Trojan would be stopped in its tracks. Logging and an alert tool would also halt this. Even if one sets the lockout time to one minute, it would put a kibosh on retries.

      Then there are the log attempts. One can't even get near a MCSE unless they have shown that they can create, parse, and use some form of log parsing in a domain. Excessive failed logins should have triggered some alert somewhere, and the phone home attempts should have triggered the IPS to start pulling boxes off the network.

      Seems that the more news about this attack doesn't show the sophistication of the attackers, but how basic logging, audit controls, security controls, separation of duties and other ITIL essentials were ignored.

    2. Re:SMB, eh? by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're assuming that it spread by trying to guess usernames and passwords, which is highly unlikely.

      Chances are it spreads using usernames and password hashes that it already knows. If you compromise a single windows host you can extract the local admin hashes (which are often the same across many hosts because they were all built from a stock image), you can also extract the hashes as well as the plain text password of any currently logged in account including domain accounts, and any account which is saved in the registry for use to start services (i've seen networks where the antivirus is running as a domain admin on every host - ensuring that an admin password is extractable from every single host).

      Using this hash passing approach you can almost always spread throughout a network.

      As for logging...

      Your IPS will probably ignore SMB traffic, because it's extremely common and expected.
      The hacker will target the workstations first, they are probably not configured to send their logs back somewhere centrally... Chances are at least one workstation will have a valid domain admin hash available on it at some point. You only start hitting the servers once you have confirmed valid logins, valid SMB logins from internal workstations won't trigger any IPS because they are expected.
      Windows logging especially is usually quite shit, it's either far too verbose (the attack gets lost in the noise), or utterly useless... You might be able to detect a flood of invalid login attempts against the domain or directly against core servers, but a competent hacker is highly unlikely to try that.
      Otherwise your logs are only really useful "after the fact" to try and determine what went wrong, because by that point you now have time and budget to sit and comb through them. Ofcourse this also only works if your logs are sufficiently detailed, and are still intact. If the system hosting your logs was on the domain, or accessed from workstations which are part of the domain then your logs are effectively worthless, a competent hacker would have deleted or modified them to cover their own actions.

      So they're stuck with poorly designed tools (ie windows), that have gaping design flaws that make such attacks easy to perform and hard to detect or stop. You could go to significant effort and expense to make such attacks more difficult, but many companies just won't have the budget for that in terms of the number and quality of staff (competent people are expensive), all the various expensive third party software and all the extra time (or extra staff) required to do things in a more secure but far more time consuming way.
      In reality, people cut corners. Even those who should know better, want to save themselves time or have to save themselves time because the company hasn't hired enough people for what they need.

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    3. Re:SMB, eh? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      I don't even bother "compromising" an initial host on many engagements when the engagement has me to go on site. Its trivially easy to tailgate your way onto most corporate campuses; and set yourself up in an empty conference room.

      Then you wait for LLMNR or NetBIOS/tcp messages on your subnet; which nobody disables, ever. Then you just collect the hashes for a while. No need even to mess around with PTH half the time, more often than not hashcat can crack at least one before you finish your first soda and you have your foot hold.

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    4. Re:SMB, eh? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The hashes you get from LLMNR/NB spoofing are slightly different and need to be hashed, you cant pass them directly although if smb signing is turned off you can mitm the connection...
      But yeah, sitting and connection hashes in this way is almost always effective too.

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  8. Threatpost, professional, processes by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thereatpost.com is a good source to stay on top of the latest news and threats. There is new stuff posted several times per week, so staying on top of it takes at least a couple of hours per week.

    You can get pretty darn good security at a very reasonable cost, but I can't fit much useful info in a Slashdot post. I read a 586 page book just on securing Apache - there's a ton of information to know and concepts to understand. For a business, especially a web-based business, it probably makes the most sense to hire in the right professional to spend a few hours with you, going over your processes and systems. I've been doing web security for 17 years; before that I did physical security and I'm still learning, so there's just a lot to know.

    Maybe the most important principle is to get rid of what isn't needed. Turn off unneeded services on computers, don't store credit card numbers if you don't absolutely have to, don't have multiple copies of sensitive data on different systems. I can't hack what isn't there.

    If you consult with a professional, be prepared to alter some of your processes to alternatives that are approximately just as easy to use, but different. Sftp is as easy to use as ftp, so don't let "we've always done it this way" be an excuse to not improve your processes. A FEW changes may be much less convenient, but necessary. That is to say, your professional may say once or twice "yes, this way is more time consuming, but it really is necessary for security ". Be prepared for that, but also expect your professional to work with you to find ways to make security relatively painless most of the time. It'll likely follow strict, but painless, rules if done properly.

    Security is mostly about process, not products, and much of the best security software is open source, so the right professional won't be selling you stuff, just spending some time to find what you need and get it set up for you, then help your IT understand a bit and know where to find documentation.

          The right professional will also be able to explain the purpose of any recommendations in a way that you can fully understand. "Because security " is not a valid answer and is most frequently used by people who don't understand the "security" measures they are improperly applying, often in a way that weakens your system rather than strengthens it. It might seem strange to emphasize this, but I've seen a LOT of sysadmins severely damage system security by trying to strengthen it but not really understanding what they're doing. In almost all cases, the people doing crap "security" couldn't explain in detail why they did what they did, and became annoyed when asked to explain in detail. It's a good way to distinguish the few who know their stuff from the vast majority, who don't actually know what they're doing.

    1. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The state of corporate IT can be shocking. When I took over the IT at the UK branch of an international technology company I couldn't believe what I saw. Regular office staff had file sharing switched on individual PCs, Software developers had systems operated as root or administrator. People routinely downloaded whatever they wanted and installed it on their computers.
      The first thing I did was make sure that no computer had any file sharing or any other services running on it"

      You were doing it wrong, then, and probably the company employees hate you.

      The first thing you should have done is understanding why computers/lans were configured that way. I can't count the times I've seen security just going all the place closing this and that without providing working alternatives to the function the user was achieving that way, just to put productivity to a halting grind.

      People don't go out of their way to share their hard disks or to install this or that simply because they have nothing better to do but because they need to do something and do it that way because they don't know anything better.

      Corporate security is more about providing secure ways to do what it's needed to be done (as defined by the end user, not the top brass) and less about tying users' hands but very short numbers of "IT security people" seem to understand that.

    2. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Going_Digital · · Score: 1

      They were sharing their drives because they knew no better, it is what they did at home. Not only did this mean they were causing security issues they were also risking losing their files as they were not backed up. Providing a central server where there files were kept meant they were on a RAID array so they were always available and were backed up to tape every day. It also meant that when their PC let out the magic smoke or was being replaced with a newer model they could continue to work and access their files by logging in on any unused computer on the network.

    3. Re: Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a person who works on a network configured as you like. It is difficult to develop without administration privileges on a PC. Esp. If you work on an embedded device that requires reinstalling drivers to test out new hardware.

    4. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you admiring your own farts the whole time you wrote this post?

    5. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you over-react.

      He said he gave admin access to VMs so that the developers could do their work IN THE VM.

      That isolates the VM from being attacked from outside, AND allows the developer to work without causing problems to other people on the net.

    6. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "They were sharing their drives because they knew no better"

      No, they were sharing their drives because they knew no better *and* they still find cases when sharing files is useful for their work.

      "Providing a central server..."

      Blah, blah, blah... you still didn't address the main point: *Why* users shared their local drives instead of using the central server (or ask for administrative privileges on their computers, or you find they are using something like dropbox, etc.). I've more than 20 years in this industry and every single time I've seen an environment like that has been because of incompetent IT.

    7. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I'd fire your ass in a heartbeat."

      Probably yes.

      And probably you'd be in the majority.

      That explains why IT is on average the miserable nightmare that it is.

      On the other hand, I'm the kind of guy that first looks to understand why the users do what they do and then I go to provide secure alternatives that, in many cases, just go transparent to said end users. They just still do their stuff in the easiest way for them and I produce for them an environment where the easiest way happens to be the secure enough one.

    8. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      You were doing it wrong, then, and probably the company employees hate you.

      The first thing you should have done is understanding why computers/lans were configured that way.

      Yes, it's true that unprotected sex with strangers without a condom feels better, but that doesn't mean you can protect them from STD's or pregnancy without them changing any of their habits.

      Same goes for computer users. Folks who look at productivity as not having to log in, or if you make them, want to use a password of "Password1", or their child's name or just the really quick to log in 1234567, or set up a dropbox, or really want to use thumbdrives, because "it's so quick and convenient, and those nice people at the trade show gave me one for everyone in my group!" are going to be an issue.

      Having a few people hate you might be an indicator that you are doing your job.

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    9. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Blah, blah, blah... you still didn't address the main point: *Why* users shared their local drives instead of using the central server (or ask for administrative privileges on their computers, or you find they are using something like dropbox, etc.). I've more than 20 years in this industry and every single time I've seen an environment like that has been because of incompetent IT.

      Some folk think that having to log in or run as anything but administrator, or have any restrictions on their activity at all is killing their productivity. They want Thumb drives, they want dropbox, they want to set up their own email server on their machine. They want to have an open ftp on their machine

      Perhaps in your 20 years of experience, you have found a way to allow people to do whatever they want, while providing proper security? You should write a book.

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    10. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by aduxorth · · Score: 1

      That isolates the VM from being attacked from outside, AND allows the developer to work without causing problems to other people on the net.

      Only if the VM is setup properly

    11. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called getting your job done without having to spend 2 weeks fighting with IT just to get a text editor.

    12. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did I misread the report, or did Sony basically have no egress filters on their firewalls?

    13. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      ...every single time I've seen an environment like that has been because of incompetent IT.

      That might be said in this case, but GP is not to blame for the fact that there was no policy spelling on the proper way to do things. If such a policy had been in place, users would not have been able to "solve problems" by creating file shares on their own PC's. His predecessors neglected their responsibility and allowed a mess to be made. GP came in, found the mess, cleaned it up, and provided a useful alternative to the insane "solution" the users were allowed to create.

    14. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "Folks who look at productivity as not having to log in"

      I'll take this as an example. In my not so short experience, people usually have no problem to log in; people do have a problem having to log in half a dozen times to different systems within the same company, when they already provided their credentials to their computers at the begining of their work day. And they do have a problem with having to change every 30 days their passwords in crazy ways on those half a dozen different systems.

      To follow on the example, provide them with proper single sign-on, let them change their password no more frecuently than every three months, with a policy of allowing them a last log in to change their password instead of blocking them out and having to rise a ticket to IT and educate them into passphrases instead of passwords and the "problem" will vanish all of a sudden.

      "set up a dropbox, or really want to use thumbdrives"

      And then you research a bit on why they are doing that and then you discover that they need to go through seven hops to reach the fileserver instead of the fileserver path to be the default to save in for their office apps, and then the performance of the fileserver is awful and their quota forces them to expend half a day cleaning their data every fortnight and then they still need to share files with customers or providers and since the company IT doesn't provide solutions for their use cases but the "this is verbotten" standard policy, they find their workarounds which are, of course, awfully insecure but still the best they knew to make their ends to meet.

      "Having a few people hate you might be an indicator that you are doing your job."

      Never is. Most you can say is that sometimes *despite of your qualified efforts*, you can't find a solution for them to work comfortably and efficiently.

    15. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It was at that point that finally the company started to listen to my calls for better security.

      And the very next day everything no one knew of zero day came in and like the more rare tsunami, that tide raised all boats, as it were. We were all stuck in the hills no matter how more or less we'd thought we'd been prepared.

      The day after the robots came.

      AC

    16. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you are case in point of what the parent says. Any developer worth anything would quit where you work as you have no clue how to provide a secure environment while allowing developers the freedom to do their job.

      Developers that give company resources to anyone who requests (inside or outside the company) should be fired and sued. Let sysadmins design the systems. Knowing how to program doesn't make you a generalized computer genius. Hell, sysadmins know how to program but programmers usually don't know how to admin a system.

    17. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      You can take my root/admin acess from my cold, dead model M wielding hands.

      -Software dev

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    18. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "His predecessors neglected their responsibility and allowed a mess to be made. GP came in, found the mess, cleaned it up, and provided a useful alternative"

      Back to square one. From his own words, first he did was "...make sure that no computer had any file sharing or any other services running on it", which is what I blamed him for.

      First you do is understand the situation, not closing useful services. Once you understand the situation you go and close unsecure services *once* you are in the position to offer valid alternatives at the same time, not before.

    19. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'd fire your ass in a heartbeat.

      You work for Sony by any chance?

      What he's described is pretty standard IT security. What you want is complete fucking data loss.

      Fire him? With cunts like you running the business he'll leave and get a job at a competent firm anyway.

    20. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at no point did the poster state that he didn't provide the company approved alternative of a file server to be able to share files. Maybe he didn't word it in the order your stupid face would like.

    21. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The state of corporate IT can be shocking."
      News at ten?
      "The first thing I did was..."
      Now everything is schweeet?

      Tis this kind of windummy talk that make you wonder all day and all night what it is all about.
      I found the whole company infected and every machine had windopws and Norton Anti-Virus.

      Looks like I got taken in by the soft crooing sounds of windummy talk because 3 of my machines were infected.

      The Linux machines survived unscathed.

    22. Re:Threatpost, professional, processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you research a bit on why they are doing that and then you discover that they need to go through seven hops to reach the fileserver instead of the fileserver path to be the default to save in for their office apps, and then the performance of the fileserver is awful and their quota forces them to expend half a day cleaning their data every fortnigh

      Usually they just setup a SharePoint with web-only access, and call that a file server...

  9. Inviting that squarehead fatso to Gitmo, perhaps ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Instead, there is an ulterior motive for blaming North Korea

    I never thought I would want to see people being imprisoned in Gitmo, but for that square-head fatso, hey, that's one helluva perfect permanent resident tailor made for Gitmo

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  10. Your title here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another post from Taco Cowboy that's completely unrelated to its parent. Thanks, Dude - we never get tired of that. Please note that as a modest homage to your technique, I changed my title also.

  11. Re:correct if wrong by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    Not samba, SMB. Samba is just the name of the open source Windows SMB server implementation. Most likely they were targeting Windows machines (though I admit I haven't seen anything on that either way).

    Also, it's highly unlikely (but also possible I guess) they had SMB open to the Internet. But they just needed to compromise one internal machine (almost trivial these days) to attack SMB...

  12. Wait, People still allow SMB on large scale nets? by Casandro · · Score: 1

    I mean OK, you cannot run a Windows system without SMB in a useful way. However how could this spread. SMB is not a protocol that was designed to work outside of broadcast domains. It does, but you loose some of the features people take for granted.

    I seriously wonder how this could spread, after all you don't just have a large Ethernet domain in your international company. You have smaller domains routed together, and in between you can trivially filter. SMB is one of the first things to go. Since it's hard and inefficient to run large filers on Windows, the few remaining machines with SMB enabled probably would be running on Linux, which means that they will not have the same security problems the Windows machines have.

    So ideally this should have been easily contained within a fraction of the company network.

  13. US-CERT Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Link to the actual US-CERT alert:

    US-CERT TA14-353A

  14. Re:correct if wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony is a Windows company, you idiot.

  15. Re:Inviting that squarehead fatso to Gitmo, perhap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it'd make you happy, but it'd be terrible for Koreans. With no clear heir, his generals would fight over North Korea. In the best case one would emerge victorious and replace Kim, after much blood being spilled. In the worst case, there is no clear victor and we'd have East, West and maybe other Koreas as well, all ready to rain hell on each other.

  16. The tin foil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes him think all sorts of other cool stuff too. You should try one, they're a blast at parties.

  17. Sony? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is anyone really upset that they got hacked? Has everyone forgot they sent out compact discs loaded with a backdoor to fight argggh pirates?

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    1. Re:Sony? by amerello · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it doesn't just damage the entity "Sony", but also has had a large negative effect for the thousands of workers that have nothing to do with Sony's stupid decisions. Now about the attack itself, I strongly believe that this is a false flag operation. The blocking of the movie is caricaturesque in its purpose, it was certain that it would direct all the attention to North Korea. If you can organize such a high skilled attack you can and will also invest effort in covering your tracks and what's best than giving false leads. As a result of all the publicity that this attack got, the government will have green light to increase their investment on cyber offensive operations. If this was part of the original goal I don't know, but the attacker certainly knew that this would get the attention of everybody.

    2. Re:Sony? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Not really. After they themselves engaged in infecting paying customers with rootkits (with the difference that whoever attacked them didn't even first give them money...) AND got away with it, I can hardly say I feel sorry.

      The only thing I DO feel sorry about is the insignificant damage.

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    3. Re:Sony? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      I am the only person that thinks that vandalising millions of customers PS3's is worse (Other OS feature removal).

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    4. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Work the the devil, get treated like the devil.

      This is like saying "but I didn't vote for them" when you get a shitty government, except you're just as responsible for your nation as a majority voting for them.

      You are your community (your family, your work, your town, your country), being oblivious to that fact is just sad.

    5. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CDs were made by Sony BMG (today Sony Music Entertainment); the people hacked were at Sony Pictures Entertainment. They are different companies, albeit with the same parent. The wiki pages don't even reference each other.

      If SPE were still Columbia Pictures, would you be upset ? Many, if not most, of the people who work in Culver City are do-ers and makers; they make sets and costumes, models and CGI; lighting design and sound mixing; they love working in the film industry and would do it even if they weren't being paid.

      Sadly it looks like that could soon be true.

    6. Re:Sony? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I am the only person that thinks that vandalising millions of customers PS3's is worse (Other OS feature removal).

      Lets be honest here who really needed that feature? Sure it was nice if you wanted to say I have got Linux running on my PS3 but there were much better machines you could run Linux on that would work better.

      I actually do have a FAT PS3 (still working) and even though I do like Linux and am writing this in Google Chrome running under Fedora 21 to put Linux on my PS3 was the last thing I was interested in doing, hence I was not worried abut removing the feature. In case you are wondering the "Other OS" feature was the only thing Sony actually removed via a software update. All other features such as PS2 backwards compatibility still work on the early release machines. In fact if you care to investigate the PS2 backwards compatibility was not made available in later release machines which were cheaper, but all PS3 will still play PS1 games.

      BTW You did not need to remove the Other OS feature if you did not want to but you could not connect to the Sony network until you did. You could still play all your games although you would run into trouble getting network access for updates if any were needed.

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    7. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find annoying is that some people are saying "Sony" as in the Japanese company that owns the whole lot and others refer to "stupid americans" because sony pictures is the former columbia and in the US. You can't have it both ways. Sony music root kit != sony pictures unless you're generalizing to the whole Sony company. For people who blame Sony proper, it's fine to blame them but realize they are IN JAPAN.

    8. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really have no clue how many PS3 were used for clustered processing? US Air Force had a very large one.

      I'll just leave this here for you to peruse, it's an interesting read:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster

    9. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that it doesn't just damage the entity "Sony", but also has had a large negative effect for the thousands of workers that have nothing to do with Sony's stupid decisions...

      Contract workers on the Death Star knew who they were working for too.

    10. Re:Sony? by JThundley · · Score: 1

      So let me get this straight: Sony advertises that you can install Linux on the PS3, users buy the PS3 and install Linux on it, Sony removes the said advertised feature, and it's the user's fault because other machines are better at running Linux?! Great logic you have there.

      Don't forget that many people installed the update which removed Other OS by accident, or they wouldn't dream that installing an update would purposely remove an advertised feature. I am flabbergasted that you so quickly take Sony's side in this issue.

    11. Re:Sony? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Are you upset that the government does gitmo, kills off coal jobs, and supports obamacare?

      If any of the three you support, who are you happy with and who do you reference when you complain?

      Sony makes the decisions. Sony is suffering. Despite what branch does what - Sony deserves to suffer for their anti-consumer arrogance.

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    12. Re:Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the earlier attack on the South Korean bank that got tied to the North Koreans was a way to leave a signature that would be used to pin the next, real Sony attack also on the North Koreans. By the way, who starts a war based on a cyber attack?

    13. Re:Sony? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You really have no clue how many PS3 were used for clustered processing? US Air Force had a very large one.

      I'll just leave this here for you to peruse, it's an interesting read:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

      Annnnnd.... they simply didn't upgrade. The PS3's OtherOS feature still works just fine with an older BIOS. Sure, they might not be able to play the newest PS3 games and Blu-Rays, but that's not what those devices are used for anyway, is it?

      Then again, the PS3 cluster was something that was useful in a small number of applications for a short period of time, and that short period of time isn't related to the OtherOS removal.

    14. Re:Sony? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I'll be frank -- OtherOS sucked. It always sucked. Anyone who actually tried to use it found out it sucked. It had all of one useful ability -- a low-cost number-cruncher, and the usefulness of that was quickly eclipsed by PCs again. In nearly every other application, the console was intentionally crippled because Sony was so scared it could be used to run home-brew games, pirated games, game emulators, or anything else they didn't approve of. It sucked because Sony made it that way.

      Most of us who tried OtherOS weren't REALLY sad when it disappeared. We tried it, we found out it was useless, curiosity satisfied even if we were disappointed in the thing. Sure, it sucks to have a feature removed, but if it was a feature you weren't using and wouldn't use again, it didn't really matter.

  18. Sony _Pictures_ is a movie company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're not a tech company, they don't even pretend to be. They probably hired a consulting firm to design their systems, the consulting firm did a reasonable job, but then what they built probably got handed off to a bunch of 2-bit contractors who come and go every few months to perhaps a year or two and things went all to hell. Also some managers here and there probably whined about how security measures were hurting productivity and standing in the way of actual movie releases (read Profit) and got the few remaining competent IT folks overruled and the restrictions relaxed even futher. I thought there was also some early evidence of a possible insider (if so it would have been trivial for one of the aforementioned 2-bit contractors to actually be a "professional" black-hat). No company can withstand an insider attack. Air-gapped systems withSome protect the most sensitive data better than others, but it's essentially impossible to protect the systems sufficiently that an individual employee or contractor can't collect ANYTHING at all that they shouldn't release publicly. It would make it impossible to get anything done.
    Assuming there was any inside help at all, much better detection and response could have limited the damage to perhaps 10% of what happened here though, but never could have completely avoided it.

    1. Re:Sony _Pictures_ is a movie company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Air-gapped systems notwithstanding, unless you get a TSA pat-down on the way out every day.

    2. Re:Sony _Pictures_ is a movie company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an air-gapped system, make sure you pat-down on the way in as well.
      These days it is way to easy to simply add wifi somewhere on that network.

      I just thought, adding wifi keeps the network literarily air-gapped, I guess :-)

  19. Norks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, is there any proof of norks doing this or are we back to the Bush WMD lies?

  20. Re:correct if wrong by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    The artist workstations at Sony Imageworks are Linux.

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  21. Re:Wait, People still allow SMB on large scale net by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    > It does, but you loose some of the features people take for granted.

    Excuse me, but so what? This is not a "taken for granted" usage of the protocol.

    > I seriously wonder how this could spread, after all you don't just have a large Ethernet domain in your international company.

    Oh, my dear lord. I'm assuming you've never worked in a large environment. _Of course_ they have a single large or several large domains (in the Microsoft Active Directory sense) for unified email authenticatoin, and potentially for payroll management and corporate ID's. While the particular systems may be somewhat independent, they are _inevitably_ chained together by various poorly secured portals and gateways in a large environment.

    If instead you meant "you don't have a large Ethernet domain", again, you clearly haven't dealt with the kind of large environment I have, where the admins leave things open "because we're not a target" or because "if they're inside our network, we're doomed anyway".

    > SMB is one of the first things to go.

    I'm afraid it's built into every Windows machine. Go looking around for the hidden "C$" share on every windows box, which is critical to the use of "Powershell" for systems administration. Unless you've been extremely cautious about firewalling things in your core switches and quite strict about treating all individual Windows systems as potentially hostile, it's enabled on all of them.

  22. Re: Inviting that squarehead fatso to Gitmo, perha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Toppling strong leaders didn't go down so well in Iraq and Libya. 11 years later Iraq us even worse than before. The Taliban were toppled in Afghanistan and it's still a disaster 13 years on. ISrael poisoned Ararat with polonium and there is no peace there. And Obama tried to topple Assad in Syria and now it's a hotbed for Islamic extremists. Sometimes the evil dictators are necessary to keep divided countries stable.

  23. Re:Wait, People still allow SMB on large scale net by Casandro · · Score: 1

    Just because apparently several companies are stupid and use unsuitable security practices doesn't mean it's not really bad security. I mean we all refuse to do support for people who put their malware ridden gaming rig into their main LAN, why do companies get away with that?

  24. What's really scary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is that the US president thinks this is of such importance to address this in a speech. It clearly shows, IMHO, how much influence a media company has.

    1. Re:What's really scary... by ruir · · Score: 1

      They are the new feudal lords and do not produce anything palpable. Have you not noticed? They are Obamas bosses.

    2. Re:What's really scary... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      They are the new feudal lords and do not produce anything palpable

      You may have noticed that the media companies are one of the very very few American sectors that produce works that are in great demand and sold abroad. That's the government will bend over for them. They're one of the most important sectors of the economy.

    3. Re:What's really scary... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      ... is that the US president thinks this is of such importance to address this in a speech. It clearly shows, IMHO, how much influence a media company has.

      You don't think a media company is as important as another company of similar size/revenue/employee count? If another nation does as much catastrophic damage to an American company (it is an American subsidiary of a Japanese corporation), yes, it's the President's job to address it. Why would you think this isn't important?

  25. You got what you deserve by ruir · · Score: 1

    When you are dumb enough to use operating systems insecure by design. And the whole NK attacked us, seems just to be a political manoeuvre, smoke and mirrors to distract us from the fact Sony is not the best example of corporate governance, has been making huge PR moves, and Windows is worse than a swiss cheese when it takes to security.

  26. Then maybe we can finally answer an old question by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it was Thomas Hesse, back when Sony distributed Rootkits with their CDs their President of Global Digital Business, who said "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?".

    Well, Sony? I'm fairly convinced your execs don't have the foggiest clue about malware but ... do you care about it?

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  27. amazing to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that a country which is malnourished and still suffering from the effects of famine in 1998 has resources to devote to hacking full stop

    1. Re:amazing to think by donaldm · · Score: 1

      that a country which is malnourished and still suffering from the effects of famine in 1998 has resources to devote to hacking full stop

      You have heard of the Feudal System ? Well think of an extreme version of one and North Korea comes to mind. Basically in systems like this the Peasants always are the ones who suffer, the nobles or those further up the pyramid suffer the least, in fact they can live quite comfortably providing they don't question their supreme ruler.

      These highly educated elites that are trained in IT and cyber warfare are capable of instigating cyber attacks and providing they tow the party line and basically worship their leader they will live very comfortably even if most of the population starves.

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    2. Re:amazing to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's like the 2008 financial crisis. We peasants have to pay the big bonuses of our banking overlords and never question our supreme ruler of the day. Obama, our dear leader.

    3. Re:amazing to think by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Bureau 121.

      North Korea has resources; it's a question of how they deploy them. Hint: it's not to the ordinary citizenry.

    4. Re: amazing to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your thinking of bush :/

    5. Re:amazing to think by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      So it's like the 2008 financial crisis. We peasants have to pay the big bonuses of our banking overlords and never question our supreme ruler of the day. Obama, our dear leader.

      Obama entered office in 2009. I'm not sure you can blame him for the 2008 banking collapse.

  28. In a word, NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the hackers that did it, man!

  29. Re:Another bad story for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a clue. It wasn't Linux machines that got hacked. It was Micro$oft Windows that got hacked. Stop spreading Micro$hit's lies.

  30. Re:correct if wrong by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You would, and so would I and probably anyone who doesn't think TCP is the Chinese secret service.

    But do you think Sony would pay either your or my "asking price"? For what I would command they could easily hire three "admins". They might consider TCP the Chinese secret service and have generally zero clue about security or anything related, but hey, they will just take twice times the time I need to get something going, and with a salary a third of mine, that's still coming out ahead!

    That the reason they spend twice as long is that they use copy/paste configuring and try&error as a way to figure out how to get stuff going, leaving ports open and vulnerable behind them in their battle against the system, who cares? It works, doesn't it?

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  31. Re: Inviting that squarehead fatso to Gitmo, perha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toppling strong leaders didn't go down so well in Iraq and Libya. 11 years later Iraq us even worse than before. The Taliban were toppled in Afghanistan and it's still a disaster 13 years on. ISrael poisoned Ararat with polonium and there is no peace there. And Obama tried to topple Assad in Syria and now it's a hotbed for Islamic extremists. Sometimes the evil dictators are necessary to keep divided countries stable.

    And sometimes it would have been nice not to install the dictators in the first place. The Taliban were the US choice to fight dirty against the Russians in Afghanistan. It is also the 25th anniversary of the panama war, toppling a dictator who was a spy, drug-baron and enemy of the ruling socialists. Nothing better to have him on our side to fight the drug war, making him rich by removing the other drug dealers and establish a dictatorship. At least in this case only the army had to be wiped out and there weren't a trained (by US) guerilla force.

    You really have to be careful choosing your tools. A skill seriously lacking in US foreign politics.

  32. Re:Wait, People still allow SMB on large scale net by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    SMB is indeed commonly used outside of broadcast domains, hosts can find each other through dns (or wins etc), and happily communicate across ethernet segments. In many cases most of the servers will be in a different ethernet segment to the workstations etc.

    SMB will almost never be filtered internally because it's used for domain logons and file sharing, and users will have a need to access files stored on servers in other parts of the company.

    On the other hand, SMB is a terrible protocol... Not only does it allow file sharing, but it can be used for all manner of other things too, so by permitting it for something you need (file sharing) you are opening yourself to all manner of other things you don't need or want.

    Doing what you describe is simply not practical for a windows based environment. Sure ideally SMB would be blocked, and a dedicated "file sharing only" protocol would be used, but windows only supports SMB by default.

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  33. Threatpost, professional, processes by Going_Digital · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The state of corporate IT can be shocking. When I took over the IT at the UK branch of an international technology company I couldn't believe what I saw. Regular office staff had file sharing switched on individual PCs, Software developers had systems operated as root or administrator. People routinely downloaded whatever they wanted and installed it on their computers.

    The first thing I did was make sure that no computer had any file sharing or any other services running on it, instead users would have to share files by placing them on a properly managed server and printers had their own dedicated print server box or were replaced with network printers. All the PCs then had local firewalls enabled to effectively make sure that there were no open ports on them even if some errant software got installed.

    All users were given regular user accounts, no admin access granted. Some users that were doing things like software testing who had to constantly install software were given admin access to a virtual machine so they could do all their testing on that VM.

    It was decided that the offices around the world would be linked up so that direct access to the network could be obtained all over the world. Now every office just plugged their new router into the LAN and gave full access to everything. I however installed a firewall on the new WAN link that restricted remote offices to accessing only 2 servers on our network and only on specific ports to access the services that we wanted to provide access to.

    I was so pleased I did all this as one day the WAN link seemed to be going slow, so I broke out the network monitor to see what was going on to find thousands of connection attempts coming from all of our international offices. As it turns out one of the US PCs had got infected with a worm and it was spreading over the whole global network. I could smugly say that apart from the slow WAN performance we were not effected at all. Our offices ran as normal while the rest of the company lost days of productivity trying to clear up the mess. It was at that point that finally the company started to listen to my calls for better security.

  34. The Simpsons were wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't MLB spying on us, it's the NFL.

  35. Why couldn't they just pull the plug? by nctritech · · Score: 1

    Why couldn't Sony just yank all the Internet connectivity until the machines were fixed?

    1. Re:Why couldn't they just pull the plug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why cant you lock the barn when the stable has bolted ?

  36. Re:Wait, People still allow SMB on large scale net by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    > Just because apparently several companies are stupid and use unsuitable security practices doesn't mean it's not really bad security

    It's more than "several", I'm afraid. It's extremely common place. A significant portion of my annual salary comes from helping teach and implement improved security practices. And a large part of that income comes from explaining the trade-offs, time and risk and resources.

    > I mean we all refuse to do support for people who put their malware ridden gaming rig into their main LAN, why do companies get away with that?

    I'm forced to applaud your optimism. But I'm also forced to pity your naivete. The use of VPN's from home and transfer of laptops into and out of the corporate networks are, themselves, a huge attack vector for environments that consider themselves to have implemented basic firewall and anti-virus tools. "Refusing to do support" for these personnel is basically "refusing to collect a paycheck" for most IT personnel.

  37. Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good guess but actually I think the fascists in government and banks in many countries including the US and China are trying to bring about a kind of serfdom style socialism globally. China was already like this anyway. They don't want the name of an existing totalitarian nation smeared. They want it emboldened. Big corporate interests are behind it I think - from Israel probably - same place Stuxnet came from. A country that already has a track record with this kind of stuff.

  38. Re:correct if wrong by aitikin · · Score: 1

    Sony is a Windows company, you idiot.

    The PS4 runs BSD...

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  39. It is not North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Again, more things indicating it could not have been achieved by a country whose Internet infrastructure can not even compare to what western countries had 15 years ago. It was carried out by the U.S most likely, in an effort to further demonize North Korea, and of course the American pawns/population are quick to hate whoever their government and media tells them to hate.

    1. Re:It is not North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what, pray tell, does that have to do with the price of a coffee in Culver City?

      Hint: I can hack you using a dial-up connection just as easily as I can via DSL. The type of connection to the Internet has no bearing on this whatsoever.

  40. Re:correct if wrong by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    Oh really? RHEL? They've favored RH based distros in the past.

  41. Why don't we hear anything from the Japanese's by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Why don't we hear anything from the Japanese's government? Sony Is a Japanese Corporation.

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  42. INTRANET is a SHIT CONCEPT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have said it before, but many super-corpos still run this "intranet protected by firewall" thing. Now a single firefox exploit can infect one computer and from that let a worm loose which uses the entire M$ Crapola (SMB, M$ DNS and so on) as its vector.

    Whats the fix ? Burning most of our accustomed concepts, including the shite language "C". And being less a Commerce Whore and more of a Software Engineer. Sandboxing must be pervasive and so must be memory-safe languages. Not necessarily with a garbage collector though.

    We had this security in the well-built Burrougs and Russian ELBRUS stuff. We have replaced it by the chepeast SHIT Bell Labs could foist on this world: C and Unix. And the Windows crapola, which shares the same concept-vulnerabilities.

    signed

    Der Kombjuder.

    1. Re: INTRANET is a SHIT CONCEPT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't put this shit on 'C' Ricky Bobby.

  43. Or so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "our" propganda wants to make us think.

    You better expect 50% lies laced with 50% truth.

  44. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it could not happen to ALL companies, but my best guess is 75% of companies.

    Moderm management is Commerce Whores and most IT people are so,too. They need to survive under these whores.

    1. Re:Maybe by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      It isn't happening to Amazon or Google or Paypal or any other company with tech chops.

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  45. Re:correct if wrong by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    I don't know which distro, I just know my friend griped about me sending him links to sites that use Flash because they frequently crashed Firefox. Heh

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  46. Normalcy bias by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    ie 'nothing that bad has ever happened before and therefore it's probably not happening to us'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

    There's another bias where you feel you emotionally can't take any more responsibility and thus just pray that the worst case scenario isn't happening. Not sure it's been studied yet.

  47. Re:Server Message Block (SMB) Worm Tool? by lippydude · · Score: 1

    @Anonymous Coward: "SMB is predominantly a Microsoft technology you idiot."

    I'm not an 'idiot', I'm merely pointing out how the main article failed to point this out !!!

  48. Inside Job at Sony? by Jerome+from+Layton · · Score: 1

    Two indicators come to mind. First, Korea used to be known as the Hermit Kingdom. Today, that title accurately describes North Korea, a country with limited communications links which suggests that they would need a lot of "outside help" to pull off this stunt. Second, the depth and breadth of the attack appears to be so massive that it almost looks like everything on their servers was copied and carted out. If they actually did this from outside, the Russian hackers must be green with envy. An additional thought: If you have this kind of capability, why blow it on a small target? For comparison, look at the Allies' preparations for D-Day in 1944 and notice how we cloaked our capabilities and methods. As I'm writing this, Leo Laporte, the Computer Guy, came on the air making the same points. Way to go, Leo.

  49. Kim Jung What by BlameItOnWeed · · Score: 1

    Seriously, who are they kidding. No way North Korea could pull of a hacking stunt like that. Ever see the pics of the Supreme Leader and all his midget-sized elderly Generals in Military Uniform thoroughly taking notes (with pencil and paper) overlooking a "computer-whizz"? The closest they've been to Sony is the warn-off smudged logo on a 80's Walkman someone smuggled over the border