The characters being fuckwits was the point of the movie. Starship Troopers is a satire. If you don't get that while watching the movie you won't like it.
Yep. Next time you go to a store that has a bunch of TV's on display, go find one that has the 240fps interpolation turned on and watch it a bit. Instead of looking epic, it looks like behind-the-scenes footage.
If that's not enough for you, try finding a few storiea about the Hobbit and the 48fps footage, you'll find comments like: "Day time soap opera."
I wonder if the time of year is a factor in this. Apple only does limited refreshes and they do not drop their price over time. I think that if you did this comparison six months from now Dell could come out ahead.
At least that would explain why this debate keeps going back and forth.
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I used to agree with you until I started scrolling the page with the trackpad. Now I use that way more than I ever used the nub.
I loved it, but to me it was a dumb movie made by people who love the show. If you're looking for a serious movie you won't like it. I'd say that if you didn't like Starship Troopers, skip this one.
Might one contact such "private contractors" via Soldier Of Fortune magazine?
You want the best, right? A few years ago a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire them.
Is this really the thread for a comment like this to be +5? Seriously, in the 80's I watched an episode of Webster where his grandad convinced him that Westerns were better than Star Wars because they didn't need no stinkin 'special effects'.
(What's funny is that they meant 'visual fx'... 'special effects' are in-camera things like squibs from bulllet hits.... which Westerns did rely on...)
You already did, catmistake. You've read a dozen of these publications, so let's hear about how they were nothing like their paper counter-parts. I especially want to hear about the one that was more fun to print.
Right, and of course Windows 7's success has nothing to do with the fact that people aren't willing to abandon their investment in Windows software and thus really feel like they have no choice. Microsoft could have released a system that made fart sounds every time you moved the mouse, and required you to bang your head on the desk to start an app, and people would still have bought it. And journalists would be praising it because it isn't Vista.
not Vista... which Microsoft also made. It's like you made a train track in the shape of a figure-eight.
You're exhibiting classic symptoms of Slashdot Headline Poisoning.
If I had done this, it would also be a digital version of a magazine, but it would be essentially so distant from the original printed version that you couldn't refer to it as the authoritative digital version... Its metaphor, you see?
Yes, I get the metaphor. But since you've mentioned having a dozen or so of these magazines I was hoping you'd provide an actual example of the content being different instead of just going "oooh they're soooOOoooOooo different!"
mmmkay... my response stops right here. Its clear there is little point in responding further to your posts: you just outed yourself as a troll.
Well gee golly gosh, good thing for you I had that early in the post instead of putting it at the end. You might have had to think hard to generate some of those rationalizations before brushing me off!
I'm going to ask you again: Do you really think that in the context of digital content that asking somebody to print it out to get the full benefit of it is a worthy alternative to having the app perform the same task without the need to use a printer? Somebody who isn't a troll would be just as justified in asking for a clarification on the point YOU brought up.
I mean they are so completely different that you couldn't consider one a version of the other, and it certainly doesn't fit what I would colloqually call the "digital version of the print version." To make the point only, if instead what you receieved was an audio file completely duplicated the entire content in computerized vocalizations, it would also be a digital representation of the original content, but it would not be the same, nor would I consider it "the" digital version.
I'm confused, are you saying you bought a magazine from the News Stand and it turned out to be an audio book?
I disagree... with a pdf version, if enabled, you could print out the fold-in.
Ummmm... okay. You seriously think that's a viable alternative?
Further, they are requiring publishers to hire development teams to remanipulate the content into these things...
You have to do that anyway.
...but on the other hand it is straining publishers' resources...
No, it's not. They have to mess around with the content to get it to fit properly on the tablet no matter what they do. Should they decide just to use the vanilla tools and plunk what they've got into Apple's format, or spend a few extra $$$ to make it more interesting, that's their choice. You could make the same argument about a new newspaper that came along and used a different aspect ratio for the pages. (If you find yourself with some spare time, read about the troubles Bill Waterson had with getting Calvin and Hobbes published.)
You are helping to make my point. Publishers are not software developers. Developers don't come cheap.
So have you read about how to make the 'app' for publishing on the News Stand?
But again this is requiring spending resources to fix these things. Its not the same as a line or two of retraction in a subsequent issue, but pushing out new software.
Heh. Find error, type update of text, republish, user gets fixed issue. BFD.
What you are calling bells and whistles serves no purpose but to be a play thing for the reader.
Really? Cos I got to enjoy a Mad fold-in without having to go buy the magazine or find a way to print from my iPad. What's amazing is you're telling me this in 2012 atter (presumably) consuming all sorts of web-based media over the last decade or two.
Seriously dude, my points are all valid and nothing you have responded with has altered the original argument.
You sure about that? I've described how their approach makes it possible to make the content more like having the dead-tree approach does. That's a pretty big dent in your argument. You've claimed that the content has changed but provided no examples of how. You said the books don't get updated, gotcha there, too. I think what you really mean is I haven't been able to exhaust your continued brainstorming for problems with it.
These things can never fully replace the printed versions, no matter how neat you think they are... they are just too different.
Well gee golly gosh, you've proven my point. PDFs cannot, by their nature, replace print either. At least the application has the flexibility to take a stab at it.
Heh. I'm starting to wonder if I played Quake against him a long time ago. One of my favorite CTF maps had a perch with a rail gun. People who were really good at sniping could really turn the tide of the game if the other team didn't defend properly Of course, this was considered 'camping'. Their way of dealing with it was to call you a bunch of names and shout at you in all caps to move off the platform. Whenever anybody pulled that shit with me, I'd say no and focus my energy on taking them out. (I mean from anywhere on the map, not from the 'campsite'.) Most of the time they'd rage quit, though some where smart enough to just stay quiet for a while and I'd get bored with picking on them.
Once in a great while, though, somebody would say "Hey man, couldja give us a break?" And I'd jump down and sharpen my skills with another tactic. Why? Because I'm there to have fun and if somebody's being nice, sure, why not rise up to a new challenge?
I won't have hurt feelings if this story makes you think I'm an asshole. I suppose I could have been nicer in the face of having several words starting with the letter F flung at me, but that map was designed intentionally with that perch in mind.
So, yeah, 'cheating' has a broad definition when playing FPS's.
The content is not the same. What you are getting with the Apple Newsstand app subscriptions is a whole new multimedia experience
What do you mean by 'not the same'? Do you mean that if you buy both the digital and the dead tree version you'll get more content, or do you just mean that they're taking advantage of the media being different?
Some may argue that it is better, but my argument is that there was nothing wrong with a document-based mode....
That's why I said what I did. In the Mad Magazine, for example, you're able to do the fold-in. You can't do that with, for example, a PDF version. If anything, the interactivity opens some interesting doors. I like magazines about Movie VFX, for example. I'd love to be able to see a full res photo of the final shot, then see it crossfade through the various stages of compositing so I can see the layers that went into making it. I could probably conjure up 100 other ideas, but really what it boils down to is they have all of the iOS SDK available to make their content more interesting.
Now you must face the new bugs every new application is subject to
Apple has a special developer's program to deal with bugs in News Stand apps.. it's called repeat business. When apps get buggy, people de-star them, and they lose business. Self-healing-apps.
...without updates...
Without updates? I've already gotten an update to one of the magazines I have.
The crux of my complaint is that it is in no way like the traditional periodical subscription, and they are fallaciously promoting it in this way (begging the question, allowing readers to assume that it is). It is not a replacement for printed periodicals. It is something altogether different. And, further, it is unlike anything else; there are no other apps like it. It is indescribable.
They're providing print-content to your iPad (push delivery, mind you) via a subscription. When you read from it you flick over the screen like you're turning a page. It's almost exactly like print delivery only they're adding bells and whistles that take advantage of the media you're on. For example, the Mad Magazine app is a little confusing because some of the formatting requires both pages to be visible at the same time, so instead of dragging to turn a page, you're panning across the page so you can see the whole thing. You expect the page turn, but then you see at the bottom you're supposed to drag there to change pages. Okay, unexpected, but when you see why it's filed under B for BFD. For reading the content, it's actually better this way.
Seriously dude, you're really reaching here for a reason to bitch about it. Luckily I can give you a real reason to complain about the way Apple did it: The content creator won't be able to make the document for iOS, then reuse it for the Android counterpart. They'd have to publish twice. The only downside to waving that pitchfork around, though, is that their content isn't the App, it's what they've already made for their publication that just needs to go through a conversion process. Still, though, at least there's some meat on that bone. What you've chosen to whine about so far is... disappointing.
He's complaining that it's not like a PDF. I might have complained as well because I had to familiarize myself with how to navigate their way. On the plus side, the Mad fold-in works just like it does on paper, which I think justifies that move.
His complaint doesn't really add up to a whole lot.
His point was that the validity of the claim was in question. But since you brought it up, the reason the moral failing of the competition comes up is that it wasn't a hot button until Apple did it. now that they've improved those conditions nobody is complaining anymore and the moral injustices still abound.
It isn't a comment on how great Apple is if you grade them on a curve, it's a comment about how much of a poser you are.
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The characters being fuckwits was the point of the movie. Starship Troopers is a satire. If you don't get that while watching the movie you won't like it.
Hrm I wonder if converting footage captured at 48fps, when converted to 24, will look strobey.
Yep. Next time you go to a store that has a bunch of TV's on display, go find one that has the 240fps interpolation turned on and watch it a bit. Instead of looking epic, it looks like behind-the-scenes footage.
If that's not enough for you, try finding a few storiea about the Hobbit and the 48fps footage, you'll find comments like: "Day time soap opera."
On Slashdot you can. I mean, we're still making BSOD jokes!
I wonder if the time of year is a factor in this. Apple only does limited refreshes and they do not drop their price over time. I think that if you did this comparison six months from now Dell could come out ahead.
At least that would explain why this debate keeps going back and forth.
I used to agree with you until I started scrolling the page with the trackpad. Now I use that way more than I ever used the nub.
I loved it, but to me it was a dumb movie made by people who love the show. If you're looking for a serious movie you won't like it. I'd say that if you didn't like Starship Troopers, skip this one.
Was that one of those movies that basically everybody saw or was that pretty much only on the radar of fans of the original show?
You had logs and were still penetrated? What OS has logs and gets penetrated?
Well, if you're talking back doors, penetration, and encountering logs,you're probably talking OSX!
Might one contact such "private contractors" via Soldier Of Fortune magazine?
You want the best, right? A few years ago a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire them.
Is this really the thread for a comment like this to be +5? Seriously, in the 80's I watched an episode of Webster where his grandad convinced him that Westerns were better than Star Wars because they didn't need no stinkin 'special effects'.
(What's funny is that they meant 'visual fx'... 'special effects' are in-camera things like squibs from bulllet hits.... which Westerns did rely on...)
Old argument, not worth spending mod-points on.
Why? It won't laumch for over a year, why give their competitors time to catch up?
Being a loss leader doesn't require a monopoly, only lots of money.
Psst: It'd help your case a lot to talk about the twelve publications you read.
You already did, catmistake. You've read a dozen of these publications, so let's hear about how they were nothing like their paper counter-parts. I especially want to hear about the one that was more fun to print.
Or is my trolling causng you amnesia?
Really? A lot of them have commented on it right here on Slashdot.
Right, and of course Windows 7's success has nothing to do with the fact that people aren't willing to abandon their investment in Windows software and thus really feel like they have no choice. Microsoft could have released a system that made fart sounds every time you moved the mouse, and required you to bang your head on the desk to start an app, and people would still have bought it. And journalists would be praising it because it isn't Vista.
not Vista... which Microsoft also made. It's like you made a train track in the shape of a figure-eight.
You're exhibiting classic symptoms of Slashdot Headline Poisoning.
If I had done this, it would also be a digital version of a magazine, but it would be essentially so distant from the original printed version that you couldn't refer to it as the authoritative digital version... Its metaphor, you see?
Yes, I get the metaphor. But since you've mentioned having a dozen or so of these magazines I was hoping you'd provide an actual example of the content being different instead of just going "oooh they're soooOOoooOooo different!"
mmmkay... my response stops right here. Its clear there is little point in responding further to your posts: you just outed yourself as a troll.
Well gee golly gosh, good thing for you I had that early in the post instead of putting it at the end. You might have had to think hard to generate some of those rationalizations before brushing me off!
I'm going to ask you again: Do you really think that in the context of digital content that asking somebody to print it out to get the full benefit of it is a worthy alternative to having the app perform the same task without the need to use a printer? Somebody who isn't a troll would be just as justified in asking for a clarification on the point YOU brought up.
I mean they are so completely different that you couldn't consider one a version of the other, and it certainly doesn't fit what I would colloqually call the "digital version of the print version." To make the point only, if instead what you receieved was an audio file completely duplicated the entire content in computerized vocalizations, it would also be a digital representation of the original content, but it would not be the same, nor would I consider it "the" digital version.
I'm confused, are you saying you bought a magazine from the News Stand and it turned out to be an audio book?
I disagree... with a pdf version, if enabled, you could print out the fold-in.
Ummmm... okay. You seriously think that's a viable alternative?
Further, they are requiring publishers to hire development teams to remanipulate the content into these things...
You have to do that anyway.
...but on the other hand it is straining publishers' resources...
No, it's not. They have to mess around with the content to get it to fit properly on the tablet no matter what they do. Should they decide just to use the vanilla tools and plunk what they've got into Apple's format, or spend a few extra $$$ to make it more interesting, that's their choice. You could make the same argument about a new newspaper that came along and used a different aspect ratio for the pages. (If you find yourself with some spare time, read about the troubles Bill Waterson had with getting Calvin and Hobbes published.)
You are helping to make my point. Publishers are not software developers. Developers don't come cheap.
So have you read about how to make the 'app' for publishing on the News Stand?
But again this is requiring spending resources to fix these things. Its not the same as a line or two of retraction in a subsequent issue, but pushing out new software.
Heh. Find error, type update of text, republish, user gets fixed issue. BFD.
What you are calling bells and whistles serves no purpose but to be a play thing for the reader.
Really? Cos I got to enjoy a Mad fold-in without having to go buy the magazine or find a way to print from my iPad. What's amazing is you're telling me this in 2012 atter (presumably) consuming all sorts of web-based media over the last decade or two.
Seriously dude, my points are all valid and nothing you have responded with has altered the original argument.
You sure about that? I've described how their approach makes it possible to make the content more like having the dead-tree approach does. That's a pretty big dent in your argument. You've claimed that the content has changed but provided no examples of how. You said the books don't get updated, gotcha there, too. I think what you really mean is I haven't been able to exhaust your continued brainstorming for problems with it.
These things can never fully replace the printed versions, no matter how neat you think they are... they are just too different.
Well gee golly gosh, you've proven my point. PDFs cannot, by their nature, replace print either. At least the application has the flexibility to take a stab at it.
Heh. I'm starting to wonder if I played Quake against him a long time ago. One of my favorite CTF maps had a perch with a rail gun. People who were really good at sniping could really turn the tide of the game if the other team didn't defend properly Of course, this was considered 'camping'. Their way of dealing with it was to call you a bunch of names and shout at you in all caps to move off the platform. Whenever anybody pulled that shit with me, I'd say no and focus my energy on taking them out. (I mean from anywhere on the map, not from the 'campsite'.) Most of the time they'd rage quit, though some where smart enough to just stay quiet for a while and I'd get bored with picking on them.
Once in a great while, though, somebody would say "Hey man, couldja give us a break?" And I'd jump down and sharpen my skills with another tactic. Why? Because I'm there to have fun and if somebody's being nice, sure, why not rise up to a new challenge?
I won't have hurt feelings if this story makes you think I'm an asshole. I suppose I could have been nicer in the face of having several words starting with the letter F flung at me, but that map was designed intentionally with that perch in mind.
So, yeah, 'cheating' has a broad definition when playing FPS's.
His 'cheating' was a form of training. He didn't take steroids, he boxed against a robot.
The content is not the same. What you are getting with the Apple Newsstand app subscriptions is a whole new multimedia experience
What do you mean by 'not the same'? Do you mean that if you buy both the digital and the dead tree version you'll get more content, or do you just mean that they're taking advantage of the media being different?
Some may argue that it is better, but my argument is that there was nothing wrong with a document-based mode....
That's why I said what I did. In the Mad Magazine, for example, you're able to do the fold-in. You can't do that with, for example, a PDF version. If anything, the interactivity opens some interesting doors. I like magazines about Movie VFX, for example. I'd love to be able to see a full res photo of the final shot, then see it crossfade through the various stages of compositing so I can see the layers that went into making it. I could probably conjure up 100 other ideas, but really what it boils down to is they have all of the iOS SDK available to make their content more interesting.
Now you must face the new bugs every new application is subject to
Apple has a special developer's program to deal with bugs in News Stand apps.. it's called repeat business. When apps get buggy, people de-star them, and they lose business. Self-healing-apps.
...without updates...
Without updates? I've already gotten an update to one of the magazines I have.
The crux of my complaint is that it is in no way like the traditional periodical subscription, and they are fallaciously promoting it in this way (begging the question, allowing readers to assume that it is). It is not a replacement for printed periodicals. It is something altogether different. And, further, it is unlike anything else; there are no other apps like it. It is indescribable.
They're providing print-content to your iPad (push delivery, mind you) via a subscription. When you read from it you flick over the screen like you're turning a page. It's almost exactly like print delivery only they're adding bells and whistles that take advantage of the media you're on. For example, the Mad Magazine app is a little confusing because some of the formatting requires both pages to be visible at the same time, so instead of dragging to turn a page, you're panning across the page so you can see the whole thing. You expect the page turn, but then you see at the bottom you're supposed to drag there to change pages. Okay, unexpected, but when you see why it's filed under B for BFD. For reading the content, it's actually better this way.
Seriously dude, you're really reaching here for a reason to bitch about it. Luckily I can give you a real reason to complain about the way Apple did it: The content creator won't be able to make the document for iOS, then reuse it for the Android counterpart. They'd have to publish twice. The only downside to waving that pitchfork around, though, is that their content isn't the App, it's what they've already made for their publication that just needs to go through a conversion process. Still, though, at least there's some meat on that bone. What you've chosen to whine about so far is... disappointing.
Heh yeah, they'll be rolling in hundreds of click-throughs!
He's complaining that it's not like a PDF. I might have complained as well because I had to familiarize myself with how to navigate their way. On the plus side, the Mad fold-in works just like it does on paper, which I think justifies that move.
His complaint doesn't really add up to a whole lot.
His point was that the validity of the claim was in question. But since you brought it up, the reason the moral failing of the competition comes up is that it wasn't a hot button until Apple did it. now that they've improved those conditions nobody is complaining anymore and the moral injustices still abound.
It isn't a comment on how great Apple is if you grade them on a curve, it's a comment about how much of a poser you are.