Actually I think its quite canon, because it reveals the future Leto II tried to avoid.
A universe consisting entirely of gholas!
Even if the the new books didnt rape the setting and characters as it did I still don't know if they would be worth it. The prose is so PHENOMENALLY BAD, I've read junk fantasy books that has a better chance at getting a Nobel prize.
Agreed, and if its on Gutenberg, there is also a chance someone added it to librivox http://librivox.org/
Reading is always the better practice mentally, but if you are a bit...Attention Deficit and have a bad rep not finishing books you have started on. Then audio books are a neat way spoon feed yourself with literature.
Not to mention its a great way to speed up time while having to drive or do menial labor.
Hell, walking around in my city in the dead of night while re listing to one of Librivix Sci-fi Short story collections is one of the better things I've done for my soul.
Now, I'm probably being hypocritical(or something) for saying this, because...while i grew up with PC's in the early ninties (my father co-founded the first computing store in the city), I never did do anything productive with it.
I managed to navigate dos and get into A-colon. And start up windows to play SKIFREE!
Now, back then I'm unsure on how i could ever get into trying to play around with the computer creatively.(to dumb to know what Qbasic was or to even find it) I see the value and richness of the early day computers, but its not from personal experience.
So my idea is...kids, aren't bored, they have games and content delivered to them, they have so much easy access to simulations then they know what to do with it. And the hows are buried beneath accessibility paradigms.
But back then, a kid with a trash80, C64 and all the rest, had what was bough in stores or what they got ahold of in BBS'es or copy parties. That, with the C64 BASIC OS, which shoved the programming environment in your face, really was the BEST circumstances to stimulate a kids curiosity.
The PC's of yore had its programming ability advertised, today they are basically appliances. And for me who couldn't even get into Qbasic, WASN'T even familiar with the concept of programming, Imagine how it is today.
You need to actively seek out a compiler and possibly an IDE.
That little bar to even run a simple build can block someone before they discover the joy of making a loop that iterates the sid-chip
You know what...there is something special about a 10 year old handing a basic terminal and just see them hack. I've heard the stories and then saw this BBC show or something about a family that had to live with 80 gadgets, and i was sorta amazed how the the two boys just sat there and figured shit out.
Then offcourse...NEXT episode and they were in the ninties and they got a playstation....
I question the use of the word..."naturally" interested, its....just a series of events that gets people hooked on this stuff depeding on the kids mental stage, BUT it seems to me, the most important factor in this....IS FOR THE KIDS TO BE BORED and have the simple-to-complex building blocks available.
(a) In 1983 the first IBM PC and the C64 was already on the market, not counting the various models from 1977 and upwards. Not to mention mainframes for banks, etc. (b)Phone line == BBS or internet access.
Plenty of people had modems all across the world.
Its not that I don't agree that the time wasn't right, but just not for the reason you(and others) have mentioned.
If you are going to make a point about how prevelent the PC's were at that time, then the Lisa makes for a very poor case seeing that it was to expensive and really didn't sell well because of it(not sure how the GUI part fit in here).
You should have brought up the C64.
But covering the Parent post; universities, banks, businesses still had mainframes which could have used the internet.
And also, being to lazy to start a new thread but also touch the parent: The BBS were there first, seeing that you didn't need the ISP and the infrastructure to route you, you just...called the server directly. This was used by the Trash 80's, C64, and apple][ which spread like wildfire during the late seventies early eighties.
I'm all for state run enterprises, but in this case it makes MUCH more sense in letting everyone make shot with new technologies. You would get much more out of the tax income of several businesses expanding based on new technologies, then you would out of licenses.
Yeah but, you are involved with a university, you should have no problem getting a membership and then cheaper fees or just go all out and get a full repository access. But...why don't you VPN into the network, that's what I did when i wanted stuff from ACM.
You have a problem that his personal faith doesn't include fundamentalist teaching?
The reason why we object to religion is BECAUSE such absolutist dogma!
I am an atheist, but the way i see it, that alot of people have from the vaugness and mess in their theology, instead followed a worldview that include kindess to all people.
Yes you may bring up AQ, Westbro and fuckers who kills their kids with "exorcisms". But why are you embracing the same logic fundamentlist follows and try to call Christians who dosent fall into your B&W image as false Christians/Jews/Spaghettist?
I recommend Planetes strongly, even if you can't stand anime(its very low on the bubblegum factor and exaggerated character dimensions), i suggest you overcome your dislike.
Its brilliant hard-scifi in a near future where space have begun to be commercialized, hundred years after the moon landing.
Lets see, sea vessels(fishing, shipping, etc), air travel oh...and a flash flood are really....flashy in a watery grave, infrastructure damaging sorta way.
Slashdot Mirror
DAMNIT!
SHE BROKE THE WALL AGAIN!
*yeah that really makes no senze but I've had two fingers of single malt so stay with me on this one*
Actually I think its quite canon, because it reveals the future Leto II tried to avoid.
A universe consisting entirely of gholas!
Even if the the new books didnt rape the setting and characters as it did I still don't know if they would be worth it.
The prose is so PHENOMENALLY BAD, I've read junk fantasy books that has a better chance at getting a Nobel prize.
Agreed, and if its on Gutenberg, there is also a chance someone added it to librivox http://librivox.org/
Reading is always the better practice mentally, but if you are a bit...Attention Deficit and have a bad rep not finishing books you have started on.
Then audio books are a neat way spoon feed yourself with literature.
Not to mention its a great way to speed up time while having to drive or do menial labor.
Hell, walking around in my city in the dead of night while re listing to one of Librivix Sci-fi Short story collections is one of the better things I've done for my soul.
AAAH!! Don't say that word!
As close SCI-FI loving hackers can become astronauts.
Now, I'm probably being hypocritical(or something) for saying this, because...while i grew up with PC's in the early ninties (my father co-founded the first computing store in the city), I never did do anything productive with it.
I managed to navigate dos and get into A-colon.
And start up windows to play SKIFREE!
Now, back then I'm unsure on how i could ever get into trying to play around with the computer creatively.(to dumb to know what Qbasic was or to even find it)
I see the value and richness of the early day computers, but its not from personal experience.
So my idea is...kids, aren't bored, they have games and content delivered to them, they have so much easy access to simulations then they know what to do with it.
And the hows are buried beneath accessibility paradigms.
But back then, a kid with a trash80, C64 and all the rest, had what was bough in stores or what they got ahold of in BBS'es or copy parties.
That, with the C64 BASIC OS, which shoved the programming environment in your face, really was the BEST circumstances to stimulate a kids curiosity.
The PC's of yore had its programming ability advertised, today they are basically appliances.
And for me who couldn't even get into Qbasic, WASN'T even familiar with the concept of programming, Imagine how it is today.
You need to actively seek out a compiler and possibly an IDE.
That little bar to even run a simple build can block someone before they discover the joy of making a loop that iterates the sid-chip
You know what...there is something special about a 10 year old handing a basic terminal and just see them hack.
I've heard the stories and then saw this BBC show or something about a family that had to live with 80 gadgets, and i was sorta amazed how the the two boys just sat there and figured shit out.
Then offcourse...NEXT episode and they were in the ninties and they got a playstation....
I question the use of the word..."naturally" interested, its....just a series of events that gets people hooked on this stuff depeding on the kids mental stage, BUT it seems to me, the most important factor in this....IS FOR THE KIDS TO BE BORED and have the simple-to-complex building blocks available.
You mean you question the logic of doing shit just for DOING IT?! OK! Hand in your geek license!
*also demoscene*
Well....There were a certain written fictional piece on usenet about a little girl called Suzy, which makes hello.jpg tighten its sphinxer .
I'm telling you for the purpose of historical insight off course.
(Not trying to pull reverse psychology on here, but you/anyone really SHOULDN'T look this up)
(a) In 1983 the first IBM PC and the C64 was already on the market, not counting the various models from 1977 and upwards. Not to mention mainframes for banks, etc.
(b)Phone line == BBS or internet access.
Plenty of people had modems all across the world.
Its not that I don't agree that the time wasn't right, but just not for the reason you(and others) have mentioned.
Well, there were porn BBS's :)
If you are going to make a point about how prevelent the PC's were at that time, then the Lisa makes for a very poor case seeing that it was to expensive and really didn't sell well because of it(not sure how the GUI part fit in here).
You should have brought up the C64.
But covering the Parent post; universities, banks, businesses still had mainframes which could have used the internet.
And also, being to lazy to start a new thread but also touch the parent: The BBS were there first, seeing that you didn't need the ISP and the infrastructure to route you, you just...called the server directly.
This was used by the Trash 80's, C64, and apple][ which spread like wildfire during the late seventies early eighties.
I'm all for state run enterprises, but in this case it makes MUCH more sense in letting everyone make shot with new technologies.
You would get much more out of the tax income of several businesses expanding based on new technologies, then you would out of licenses.
I don't know...maybe make them PUBLIC!
Yeah but, you are involved with a university, you should have no problem getting a membership and then cheaper fees or just go all out and get a full repository access.
But...why don't you VPN into the network, that's what I did when i wanted stuff from ACM.
Oh no it's not.
Don't lambaste the eloquent genius who gave us the " Anti-Idiotarian manifesto" http://catb.org/~esr/aim/
But it feels SOOO right.
Man...fuck the media...It might be 2012 but i haven't given up the term Hacker is what inspired me to become a programmer.
The playfulness and ingenuity of a technologist, put on the same sideline as a scriptkiddie!
TO ARMS I SAY!
We're Hackers on the moon, we carry our IBM PS/2's...
You have a problem that his personal faith doesn't include fundamentalist teaching?
The reason why we object to religion is BECAUSE such absolutist dogma!
I am an atheist, but the way i see it, that alot of people have from the vaugness and mess in their theology, instead followed a worldview that include kindess to all people.
Yes you may bring up AQ, Westbro and fuckers who kills their kids with "exorcisms".
But why are you embracing the same logic fundamentlist follows and try to call Christians who dosent fall into your B&W image as false Christians/Jews/Spaghettist?
I recommend Planetes strongly, even if you can't stand anime(its very low on the bubblegum factor and exaggerated character dimensions), i suggest you overcome your dislike.
Its brilliant hard-scifi in a near future where space have begun to be commercialized, hundred years after the moon landing.
WORSE! Azathoth!!
Lets see, sea vessels(fishing, shipping, etc), air travel oh...and a flash flood are really....flashy in a watery grave, infrastructure damaging sorta way.
Or you can just give them a constitutional standard which sets the course and prevent the politicians from making direct decisions.