However I do feel that perhaps I have been thinking about the negatives on Islam more than the positives of the freedoms I support and that my religion and other good religions bring.
Then promise me, make me sleep better at night by knowing me that you really hold the enlightenment ideals so close to your hearth that you fear loosing it, and not just uttered as a guttural inchorerent battlecry calling for "the greater good". Atleast show me that you are better then the devils you have conjured up.
Dont burn the village to save it. Laws, justice, freedom and pursuit of happiness...FOR ALL.
OK, I think I'm seeing to much of the past here, but...don't you see why Im worried by this rhetoric? And morso people with the head so full of doublethink they'd need to be enrolled again at preschool.
I think you don't understand the true nature of Islam and what it teaches.
Let theologians argue how many angles can dance on the head of a pin, I'm an atheist...if were 16 years younger I'd been an obnoxious atheist brat, pulling scriptures out of the annoted bibles online shoving it in your face, saying "THIS IS WHAT YOU BELIVE IN", you would want to strangle pretty quickly i assure you.
What i truly care about, are people....even if they happen to be labled as muslim, jews, gypsies....people...
And i get extra concerned about these people and their children are passively marked of as underminers of society, the logic behind this?.Again..are you excactly the same as a quaker, Coptichs...the cunts and Marlboro? I wouldnt add those distitnction and just guess and tell you what you belived it.
How many fucking similarities can you see between some beer guzzling Bosniaks to the cunt in Mekka that sentenced a Lebaneese TV-show host when he entered the country for the pilgrimage, because he pretended he was psychic.
Fucking hell, nevermind the vast regional distances and with each population...or....or.....WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING CONCEPT OF INDIVIDUALS!
I'm not saying that every muslim is an angel, yes there might be rapist, yes...there might be robbers or extremist douchebags being born and raised.
People are people....just that..I SWEAR to you...a second...a THIRD generation immigrant...growing up...YOU think he's gonna care about the shithole he came from.
People are people...you need to met them first...before you can judge them, if you cant meet them all...then don't pretend you can understand their impact....people surprises...for good and ill.
Life is full of surprises and variation, and im ignorant of most of it...why do you claim you know 1 billion people?.
Sorry for the lack of spelling, tired...want to finish this.
Nope, not me...went to a christian school for a year, somehow the gaybashing and hatefull didnt quite fit the bill...
Which...according to the logic of my fellow atheist means its appropriate to denounce them as false christian unless they turn into the Landover Baptists.
Yep, religion is damaging and dangerous because of blind dogmas that....lets challenge them into making a choice between becoming godless or just bastards...
If anything....I hate ATHEIST! IM A SELF LOATHING ATHEIST...."HAY! THUNDERF00T HERE LIKE MY VIDEO"..."NOW YOUR AN RATIONALIST!"
Oh and your're a cunt and blinded by bromides and social hysteria....just...some feedback for you there.
Sir, you are irrational...if every third post you make is to confirm that you don't regard large swatch of people individuals because it dosent fit the narrative of the social hysteria you and your circle jerk keeps howling. Then you are an extremist, I'm sure you and the rest of your "band gallant knights of western civillisation" are proud to hold the line and have uncovered the great of leftist establishment driving the nation to suicide.
You are probably frustrated, by the creeping horde you keep see being blocked out by the sheeple, people calling you a moron and epithets. To think...calling you...a concerned citizen born rightwise...with the rest of your nationborn...that hold their head high.
Must irritate you...make you stubborn and thus irrational.. must take a strong will to break out of that cycle.
I lived a year and a half with some friends in collective. We shared a fridge, and I had a top shelf...and i had a tendency to sorta pile my jars and such so they fell over. My rather...grumpy and several synonymous of that adjective friend did point that out. If something spilled it would land on his shit.
One day I noticed some sticky brown sauce on his shelf and groceries...was a bit of a mystery at first, wasn't sure if it was a red wine vinegar bottle or not, until I assured him that it was.
Well...I was embarrassed, and immediately went about cleaning the fridge. He got cross and started "lecturing" me with this really patronizing pop-psychology( this is the guy that called a house meeting to hold a dramatic soliloquies of the tragedy of the commons, subtle). I usually start calling him an hypocrite when he begins and how I actually clean up his pans when Its been standing on the stove for a day, but here I was an inconsiderate dumbfuck so I'll let him carry on, while I went about to clean the fridge feeling like a prick. He then smacks me on the head and tells me to look him in his eye when he's talking to me. Any willingness to be introspective to anything he said disappeared at that point, along with my planned barrage of apologies and assurances of re-compensations....not to mention me for the first time saying "yes you are right" to one of "stern talking". My humility was used up so I just flipped him off and left.
Now, you could claim i should just stand there and take it, and i know I wasn't Martha Stewart...but I get stubborn and argumentative if i feel i have a couple of justification to defend myself, especially when they tried to be so bloody "snobby" and theatrical. That stubbornness wasnt often rational but in some cases I had cause to defend myself...so whenever shouting match occoured there wasnt any feedback to be had. He though I was an impetuous child and I got annoyed, stubborn and dismissed him as a dramaqueen. Just glad that when I left my friendships were still intact. But yeah, by a tally you can easily say that had more to be annoyed about, but as much as a douchbag this makes me sound, the "stern but fair" approach failed, hey...I 'm still living like a pig!
So yeah...if you are pessimist and feel you can only nip things in the bud with a pragmatic confrontation....well, I can't honestly say that they could do anything different to knock some sense into me, but just try to be patient by asking, then a bit of nagging....then find a way to shame me into submissin in a non-passive aggressive way....because the "though love" approach can easily backfire.
YOU Fucking BUKKIT OF BILE! you think acting haughty and playing DADDY is the perfect mannerismto get a MESSAGE across to SOMEONE! YOU'LL BE LEFT WITH NO TEETH and no FRIENDS!!
But just because YOU think it sucks doesn't mean other people feel the same. look at the Sims, i have NO fucking clue why but women just love that damned thing and funnily enough Age of Empires I of all games. My former boss showed me how you could bring in the females just by putting AoE I on the boxes in the window but when i watched them play...Did you know many women do NOT play that game like a guy does? i saw many build a big wall around their place and if any bad guys attacked they would just use priests to turn the bad guys on each other and then would just spend their time building stuff.
So maybe Minecraft is like that, who gives a shit about playing it the 'right" way when there are better things to do. I know I have a game (Just Cause II) where i never even fuck with the missions because i'm too busy doing crazy shit and blowing stuff up to care. I mean I'm using the grapple to tie the biker cops chasing me to trees like jedi and jumping out of flaming choppers and hijacking planes by riding them like a bronco, why would i care about your stupid mission?
In the end what matters is you are having FUN with a capital F, which sadly so damned many games seem to forget. Like Yahtzee at Zero punctuation said "its a sightseeing tour" where they take you from one set piece to another being led by the nose, fuck that. So I give the Minecraft guys credit (along with some of the other great indies like Torchlight series and Grimlock) because they remember that at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the "rules' or "goals" are, what matters is "Are You having FUN?" and from all the stuff being cooked up in MC I'd say that answer is a giant FUCK YES!
This ISNT a subjective thing...if a game does not have coherent, rules, obstacles and goals its probably going to be lacking...if it lacks any of these aspects its not a game at ALL.
Sims is a spin of of Sim City... although the scale is much lower and not as challenging, in the bare essence the same concept. Organize/build/budget a city, organize/build/budget your household.
There is nothing peculiar about your AoE example, its a strategy game...and the game is to devise your own strategy...if focusing on priests and walls works...it works! Its a risk if the enemy breaches the wall and reaches the defencelss priests...but its still within the scope of the game.
Now that said I'm defending Minecraft, not for its gameplay but for the fact that its more or less a platform, for modding and emergent gameplay.
That said...for most other computer games in the genres i care about...I CARE about the being provided a challenge...because that IS fun, its why games ARE FUN, game design is the art of providing play through interaction and stimulation. That does not exclude giving the player a wide range of options, but absolute freedom is pointless without limitations.
If you are annoyed that some people thinks games are objectively shit, then you should experience the smoldering rage of people who have had a decade with the one disappointing let down after another.
And if you either wasn't interested/got bored of minecraft and the vids are tickling your fancy. And then got dissuaded by having to hunt down individual packages and modify the jars with several frameworks(its not hard but it can be tedious as hell).
I suggest you spoil yourself with some accessibility and head over to http://technicpack.net/ and grab a launcher.
Technicpack was originally created by some Goons just wanting to a create modpack with all the more technical mods, already configured and simple to install. Was suppose to be an internal gig, but got spread around and gained a shitload of popularity after it got promoted on a webcast called Yogbox...and went from being hosted on a SA thread, to having its own webpage and package manager.
Minecraft as a game...pretty much sucks...the survival aspect did add to it...and quite recently Notch added the final boss, which gave you an overall goal to reach.
But it felt kinda tacked on, since building palaces don't really help you much in that goal when you could just build an bunker with much less effort, not that there isnt alot of things you must construct items, transportation, etc to help gather resources and being systematic about it certainly gives credence to free form building as a challenge.
But its the ingenuity and complexity to build shit that makes it fun and with mods its been transformed from Duplo to Lego Mindstorm.
Though I leaning towards the notion that the engineering challenges you set yourself, classify this directionless sandbox enviroment as a game. But specific game design whether from Vanilla or mods is mostly pointless, you don't use one mod like how counter strike was for Half-Life.
Its several mods at a time which adds shit ton of variation and possibilities by combining them.
That end-boss can go fuck himself, I'm building a automated cooling system for my Nuclear reactor.
Well, there is more to it then that you see(though there is no denying the modders motivation and joys of hack'n'show)...Red Power started out with logic gate blocks and bundled signal cables. They provided functionality for the player, not just as a gimmick.
Same applies for this mini computer, I belive part of the incentive was to add something bit more versatile and compact then hardwired circuts and logic blocks.
She released a frame-block, the idea is that you design a machine using whatever components you see fit(dohickies from her mod or from other mods) using the frames as a chassis, a motor block(s) can then translate the entire structure on block at a time when activated.(yes it supports recursion)
With the minicomputer as a microprocessor, you essentially got robotics in minecraft.
I have hopes that this will recreate the "look what i can do with my C64" era, kids playing multiplayer lego, and then suddenly bit by bit move from simple logic operations to assembly because they want to create more and more cool and complex stuff.
...intricate trolling attempt directed to make Alex Jones even MORE wonko.
This might be Liao's scene but his fix idea is not only completely unacceptable, but also...before we would had such a grandiose project underway we would probably already have perfected invitro-meat.
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Are you telling me that this guy... ...and Issac Newton invented calculus together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8
bah! you just want to fit a Tie around my neck and remove my slipper'n'socks attire!
However I do feel that perhaps I have been thinking about the negatives on Islam more than the positives of the freedoms I support and that my religion and other good religions bring.
Then promise me, make me sleep better at night by knowing me that you really hold the enlightenment ideals so close to your hearth that you fear loosing it, and not just uttered as a guttural inchorerent battlecry calling for "the greater good".
Atleast show me that you are better then the devils you have conjured up.
Dont burn the village to save it.
Laws, justice, freedom and pursuit of happiness...FOR ALL.
OK, I think I'm seeing to much of the past here, but...don't you see why Im worried by this rhetoric? And morso people with the head so full of doublethink they'd need to be enrolled again at preschool.
I think you don't understand the true nature of Islam and what it teaches.
Let theologians argue how many angles can dance on the head of a pin, I'm an atheist...if were 16 years younger I'd been an obnoxious atheist brat, pulling scriptures out of the annoted bibles online shoving it in your face, saying "THIS IS WHAT YOU BELIVE IN", you would want to strangle pretty quickly i assure you.
What i truly care about, are people....even if they happen to be labled as muslim, jews, gypsies....people...
And i get extra concerned about these people and their children are passively marked of as underminers of society, the logic behind this? .Again..are you excactly the same as a quaker, Coptichs...the cunts and Marlboro?
I wouldnt add those distitnction and just guess and tell you what you belived it.
How many fucking similarities can you see between some beer guzzling Bosniaks to the cunt in Mekka that sentenced a Lebaneese TV-show host when he entered the country for the pilgrimage, because he pretended he was psychic.
Fucking hell, nevermind the vast regional distances and with each population ...or....or.....WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING CONCEPT OF INDIVIDUALS!
I'm not saying that every muslim is an angel, yes there might be rapist, yes...there might be robbers or extremist douchebags being born and raised.
People are people....just that..I SWEAR to you...a second...a THIRD generation immigrant...growing up...YOU think he's gonna care about the shithole he came from.
People are people...you need to met them first...before you can judge them, if you cant meet them all...then don't pretend you can understand their impact....people surprises...for good and ill.
Life is full of surprises and variation, and im ignorant of most of it...why do you claim you know 1 billion people?.
Sorry for the lack of spelling, tired...want to finish this.
Thanks alot! I was making progress on my QT project, but now you made me feel unsure about myself.
So now I'm just gonna crawl under the table and worry about the future.
Nope, not me...went to a christian school for a year, somehow the gaybashing and hatefull didnt quite fit the bill...
Which...according to the logic of my fellow atheist means its appropriate to denounce them as false christian unless they turn into the Landover Baptists.
Yep, religion is damaging and dangerous because of blind dogmas that ....lets challenge them into making a choice between becoming godless or just bastards...
If anything....I hate ATHEIST! IM A SELF LOATHING ATHEIST...."HAY! THUNDERF00T HERE LIKE MY VIDEO"..."NOW YOUR AN RATIONALIST!"
Oh and your're a cunt and blinded by bromides and social hysteria....just...some feedback for you there.
Sir, you are irrational...if every third post you make is to confirm that you don't regard large swatch of people individuals because it dosent fit the narrative of the social hysteria you and your circle jerk keeps howling.
Then you are an extremist, I'm sure you and the rest of your "band gallant knights of western civillisation" are proud to hold the line and have uncovered the great of leftist establishment driving the nation to suicide.
You are probably frustrated, by the creeping horde you keep see being blocked out by the sheeple, people calling you a moron and epithets.
To think...calling you...a concerned citizen born rightwise...with the rest of your nationborn...that hold their head high.
Must irritate you...make you stubborn and thus irrational.. must take a strong will to break out of that cycle.
I lived a year and a half with some friends in collective.
We shared a fridge, and I had a top shelf...and i had a tendency to sorta pile my jars and such so they fell over. My rather...grumpy and several synonymous of that adjective friend did point that out.
If something spilled it would land on his shit.
One day I noticed some sticky brown sauce on his shelf and groceries...was a bit of a mystery at first, wasn't sure if it was a red wine vinegar bottle or not, until I assured him that it was.
Well...I was embarrassed, and immediately went about cleaning the fridge. He got cross and started "lecturing" me with this really patronizing pop-psychology( this is the guy that called a house meeting to hold a dramatic soliloquies of the tragedy of the commons, subtle). ....not to mention me for the first time saying "yes you are right" to one of "stern talking".
I usually start calling him an hypocrite when he begins and how I actually clean up his pans when Its been standing on the stove for a day, but here I was an inconsiderate dumbfuck so I'll let him carry on, while I went about to clean the fridge feeling like a prick.
He then smacks me on the head and tells me to look him in his eye when he's talking to me. Any willingness to be introspective to anything he said disappeared at that point, along with my planned barrage of apologies and assurances of re-compensations
My humility was used up so I just flipped him off and left.
Now, you could claim i should just stand there and take it, and i know I wasn't Martha Stewart...but I get stubborn and argumentative if i feel i have a couple of justification to defend myself, especially when they tried to be so bloody "snobby" and theatrical. That stubbornness wasnt often rational but in some cases I had cause to defend myself...so whenever shouting match occoured there wasnt any feedback to be had. He though I was an impetuous child and I got annoyed, stubborn and dismissed him as a dramaqueen.
Just glad that when I left my friendships were still intact. But yeah, by a tally you can easily say that had more to be annoyed about, but as much as a douchbag this makes me sound, the "stern but fair" approach failed, hey...I 'm still living like a pig!
So yeah...if you are pessimist and feel you can only nip things in the bud with a pragmatic confrontation....well, I can't honestly say that they could do anything different to knock some sense into me, but just try to be patient by asking, then a bit of nagging....then find a way to shame me into submissin in a non-passive aggressive way....because the "though love" approach can easily backfire.
*swosh*
YOU Fucking BUKKIT OF BILE! you think acting haughty and playing DADDY is the perfect mannerismto get a MESSAGE across to SOMEONE! YOU'LL BE LEFT WITH NO TEETH and no FRIENDS!!
Seco-"fukken"-ned
Christ! The "you cant use propiatary software In GPL/Lunix!!!1" FUD wasn't this much touted back in the day as it is now.
I know I know...I was just trying to whore myself some mod points :)
Thank for setting me up...to bad slashdotters are to lazy to scroll.
Freaking commie guberment!!! You'll get my buckyballs if you pry them from my cold dead INTESTINE!!!!
FTFY
Norway does not host bad reality docus...ffs!
How did you know? Sometimes you spend loads of time building up resources before you attack.
If you think that is weird...i once saw gyrls playing counter strike...IMAGINE THAT.
Also...just to finish this...fun is a louse description of..:ANYTHING!
If its FUN its a Game?! WTF!
But just because YOU think it sucks doesn't mean other people feel the same. look at the Sims, i have NO fucking clue why but women just love that damned thing and funnily enough Age of Empires I of all games. My former boss showed me how you could bring in the females just by putting AoE I on the boxes in the window but when i watched them play...Did you know many women do NOT play that game like a guy does? i saw many build a big wall around their place and if any bad guys attacked they would just use priests to turn the bad guys on each other and then would just spend their time building stuff.
So maybe Minecraft is like that, who gives a shit about playing it the 'right" way when there are better things to do. I know I have a game (Just Cause II) where i never even fuck with the missions because i'm too busy doing crazy shit and blowing stuff up to care. I mean I'm using the grapple to tie the biker cops chasing me to trees like jedi and jumping out of flaming choppers and hijacking planes by riding them like a bronco, why would i care about your stupid mission?
In the end what matters is you are having FUN with a capital F, which sadly so damned many games seem to forget. Like Yahtzee at Zero punctuation said "its a sightseeing tour" where they take you from one set piece to another being led by the nose, fuck that. So I give the Minecraft guys credit (along with some of the other great indies like Torchlight series and Grimlock) because they remember that at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the "rules' or "goals" are, what matters is "Are You having FUN?" and from all the stuff being cooked up in MC I'd say that answer is a giant FUCK YES!
This ISNT a subjective thing...if a game does not have coherent, rules, obstacles and goals its probably going to be lacking...if it lacks any of these aspects its not a game at ALL.
Sims is a spin of of Sim City... although the scale is much lower and not as challenging, in the bare essence the same concept. Organize/build/budget a city, organize/build/budget your household.
There is nothing peculiar about your AoE example, its a strategy game...and the game is to devise your own strategy...if focusing on priests and walls works...it works! Its a risk if the enemy breaches the wall and reaches the defencelss priests...but its still within the scope of the game.
Now that said I'm defending Minecraft, not for its gameplay but for the fact that its more or less a platform, for modding and emergent gameplay.
That said...for most other computer games in the genres i care about...I CARE about the being provided a challenge...because that IS fun, its why games ARE FUN, game design is the art of providing play through interaction and stimulation. That does not exclude giving the player a wide range of options, but absolute freedom is pointless without limitations.
If you are annoyed that some people thinks games are objectively shit, then you should experience the smoldering rage of people who have had a decade with the one disappointing let down after another.
And yes, I am an angry cunt...
And if you either wasn't interested/got bored of minecraft and the vids are tickling your fancy.
And then got dissuaded by having to hunt down individual packages and modify the jars with several frameworks(its not hard but it can be tedious as hell).
I suggest you spoil yourself with some accessibility and head over to http://technicpack.net/ and grab a launcher.
Technicpack was originally created by some Goons just wanting to a create modpack with all the more technical mods, already configured and simple to install.
Was suppose to be an internal gig, but got spread around and gained a shitload of popularity after it got promoted on a webcast called Yogbox...and went from being hosted on a SA thread, to having its own webpage and package manager.
Minecraft as a game...pretty much sucks...the survival aspect did add to it...and quite recently Notch added the final boss, which gave you an overall goal to reach.
But it felt kinda tacked on, since building palaces don't really help you much in that goal when you could just build an bunker with much less effort, not that there isnt alot of things you must construct items, transportation, etc to help gather resources and being systematic about it certainly gives credence to free form building as a challenge.
But its the ingenuity and complexity to build shit that makes it fun and with mods its been transformed from Duplo to Lego Mindstorm.
Though I leaning towards the notion that the engineering challenges you set yourself, classify this directionless sandbox enviroment as a game. But specific game design whether from Vanilla or mods is mostly pointless, you don't use one mod like how counter strike was for Half-Life.
Its several mods at a time which adds shit ton of variation and possibilities by combining them.
That end-boss can go fuck himself, I'm building a automated cooling system for my Nuclear reactor.
Well, there is more to it then that you see(though there is no denying the modders motivation and joys of hack'n'show)...Red Power started out with logic gate blocks and bundled signal cables.
They provided functionality for the player, not just as a gimmick.
Same applies for this mini computer, I belive part of the incentive was to add something bit more versatile and compact then hardwired circuts and logic blocks.
She released a frame-block, the idea is that you design a machine using whatever components you see fit(dohickies from her mod or from other mods) using the frames as a chassis, a motor block(s) can then translate the entire structure on block at a time when activated.(yes it supports recursion)
With the minicomputer as a microprocessor, you essentially got robotics in minecraft.
I have hopes that this will recreate the "look what i can do with my C64" era, kids playing multiplayer lego, and then suddenly bit by bit move from simple logic operations to assembly because they want to create more and more cool and complex stuff.
Free food and drinks.
WHAT A DEAL!
methinks you are thinking of "irreducible complexity".
As for metric of complexity...I'd guess results in which normal erosion and the like can't account for.
The googles! They Augment objects!
...intricate trolling attempt directed to make Alex Jones even MORE wonko.
This might be Liao's scene but his fix idea is not only completely unacceptable, but also...before we would had such a grandiose project underway we would probably already have perfected invitro-meat.
Meteor insurance?
This...insurance company...its not based in Bayonne by any chance is it?
http://www.piranhaclub.it/img/sid_enos.gif
and the unintentional double negative means, good night.
Its not a meme...we're just celebrating the fact that we live in a universe were we can watch a MLP franchise without being unironic as fuck.