The books don't count. The ONLY thing that counts as far as Star Wars "gospell" is the movies. If you need to read the book (or books based on the movie) to understand the movie or fill in the holes left by the movie then the director of the movie has FAILED.
It either stand up on its own or it falls down. Bringing in outside material to make it work is cheating.
Phantom Menace was a huge festering pile of crap! Like you I really liked the first three movies and found this one to be a total letdown.
I saw Phantom Menace once, only once and do not plan on seeing it gain. Contrast this with the fact that I saw Star Wars (Episode IV for the nitwits in the audiance) 30 (thirty) times in the theatres between 1977 and 1978 and un unknown number of times on HBO and video.
If the reviews of the next movie (from sources whose judgement and taste I can trust) are not INCREDABLY better than Phantom Turd I am not even going to bother to see it.
Lucas really screwed the pooch on this one. Blech!
why can't we have a politician who isn't actually a complete dumbass when it comes to technology? oh yeah...
The same reason we can't have politicians who want to solve the REAL problems in our (US) society. Thy'd rather go after porno, drug users, flag burners, liberals, etc... because they're easy targets. No logic, no thought, just push-button emotional stimulus responce.
We (the great unwashed masses) keep electing worthless moutpieces that sppon feed us the same old crap rather than address the real issues.
If I got visciously yelled at and called a "fucking Windoze loving moron" every time I asked a question on how to best use my car that would really put a dent in my desire to learn to drive, wouldn't it.
EVERY time I asked a Linux question on Usenet I'd get at least three flames telling me I was a moron because I had the lack of common sense to ask a simple question.
Why the hell should I put up with being yelled at just because I want to turn off sendmail and httpd and I don't know which.rc file to edit on this particular version of Linux, or just trying to get ppp working? Sure most of my questions were bonehead but I asked in a very polite way - not DEMANDING and answer - and I DID try to RTFM (but that's hard to do when all of the FMs are out of date and nothing is where they say it is ot called what it used to be.
If the online community had been more helpful than insulting I might have bothered to stick it out. But getting shit on everytime I asked how to do something just was not worth it.
Why? The best way to stop riots in prisons is to give the inmates something to do. Give these rabble rousers an outlet that channels their energy into a creative direction and not only do they not have as much itime to flame for no damned reason but they also improve their writing SK1LLZ.
I'm not too current on the LDP, but don't the HOWTO's and such get reviewed before they get "published"?
True, but this growing up can be hastened by reasoned guidence. I would not advocate cencorship of anyone's opinion, but I DO favor people helping the "less articulate" be more mature and reasonable.
The "Shock Troops" of change may get people's attention, but it is the advocacy of the reasonable agents of change that make new ideas become part of the new status quo.
That wouldn't really solve the problem, would it? It is _NOT_ just the/. community, it is the entire Linux Advocacy community (kinda like the old Gravis Ultrasound people) that is the problem. Not linking stories from/. would not stop the problem of rabid flame attacks at all.
The only way to solve the problem is for the Linux community to take itself SERIUOSLY and act in a manner that will generate the respect they want. If the community does not change then no ammount of "link cencorship" Rob puts here will help at all.
Even if I think the negative effects of excessive advocacy are overstated in the article
They are NOT overstated. I know quite a few people who gave up on Linux (myself included) due to the massive amount of sh!t they recieved asking "beginner" questions in the newsgroups, or from being attacked as either Windoze FUD-slingers or idiots when they make (valid) complaints about the fact that Linux is NOT as easy to use as many say it is (not all of us know much (if anything) about Unix).
Unlike some of these attacked people I know, I do not tell people to "Stay away from that Linux crap and its psychotic zealots", but niether do I tell people that Linux is all that great, in my personal experience it is not (I hate unix, all flavors, but that's me).
How many more people would be using Linux today if the respomce to newbies was along the lines of "the solution is X" rather than "RTFM, you f*cking moron!"?
Understand that I did get helpfull replies to my questions and I did get people telling me how to make Linix easier for me to use, but for every positive responce I got I recieved at least three repsonces telling me I was an idiot.
So I've given up on Linux and moved to Be. At least the BeOS community is helpful.
Give Linux time to get easier? How much time? I've used Linux off and on since kernel 0.99, that's about nine years or so. Even today Linux is a pain in the ass.
When you can configer _EVERYTHING_ without _HAVING_ to drop to the command line and hunt down some damned config file in some wierd directory is the day Linux will get close to being user friendly.
Anyone else here remember the US Festivals in 1982 and 1983? Woz made thos happen. I got to work at the 1982 US Festival. 10 bands a day for three days. Wanna guess how much the tickets were? $10.00 (ten dollars) per day. That's a dollar an act. And these were not second string acts, they were headliners; The Police, The Kinks, The Grateful Dead, Jerry Jeff Walker, Fleetwood Mac, and amny more I can't remember.
If you got bored with the music there were exposition tents with all kinds of fun computer and technology goodies in them.
It still amazes me that there were 250,000 people at that show.
My understanding is that the low ticket prices meant that Woz lost (if you want to use that term) a lot of money on the US Festivals.
ObComputerComments: I always liked and respected the Apple II but I hated the Mac on sight.
Look at you people! Someone writes an article stating some painfully obvious things about Linux (all you need to do is read the comments from many/. readers to confirm many of his comments) and many of you start running around like red ants attacking him any way you can.
Hating David Brin for The Postman is a lot like hating JRR Tolkein for Ralph Bakshi's version of The Lord Of The Rings (a vile and contemptable rape of a great book). You can't blame a book author for what Hollywood does to his/her works.
Besides, you expect a goof movie with Kevin Costner in it? Give me a break!
But those people who did not like it were mostly the people who did not study up on starwars lore and had no real passion for it.
What the planet of hell are you talking about?
I saw Star Wars (the first one) thirty times in the movie theaters in 1977-1978, damn near every time it aired on HBO and even when it was broadcast on network TV. (Hell, I even suffered through that aweful Star Wars Holiday Special that was on TV).
I bought Star Wars art books by Ralph Maguire, the blueprints, a huge pile of models and all kinds of other stuff.
I saw Empire Straikes Back a few times and suffered through Revenge^H^H^H^H^H^H^HReturn of The Jedi.
I know Star Wars pretty damned well. And I HATEDPhantom Menace. That movie was a very polished turd. Very pretty but still nothing more than a turd.
I agree with you 100%. A _LOT_ of the "it's free or I don't use it" crowd forget that out here in the "real world" we have to _PAY_ for our lives (rent. mortgages, food, clothing, tuition for our kids, etc...). It amazes me to see that so many here decry anyone who makes money at what they are good at or enjoy doing (programming in this case).
A lot of hippes got pissed off at the Grateful Dead because they chose to support themselves with their music rather than give it all away for free.
Do they expect all non-school (read "those not living off the fat of others") to have to keep day jobs just so software can be free?
There is an old Libertarian axiom: "There aint no such thing as a free lunch". Everything gets paid for. Free Software is paid for by the developer (or the institutuin that feeds him/her). Commercial Software is paid for by the people who use it.
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The Dodge Dakota is hardly a defence for this kind of BS design.
These ugly pieces of crap remind me of all those really tall Toyota and Datsun pickup truks from the early eighties. You know, the ones with the lift kits and huge monster wheels. Poseur cars that never saw dirt. The precursors of the SUV.
The iMac is a beautiful design. Functional and nice to look at. I don't want one but I can respect the designer. These nasty pieces of pretentious crap are just plain annoying.
AT&T Worldnet has/had a similar thing. You signed up with a setup ptogram that setup some damned lame dailer and all. I looked through the ACCOUNT.TXT file, pulled out the dailup number, DNS info and login name and password and connected with my BeOS system.
Maybe they don't want to control you, but they are setting up thier signup system to be idiot proof (thus insuring that all they get is idiots).
My current ISP recently rolled out cable modems and they don't give a rats ass what OS you use. They only "officially" support Windows, but that's more a manpoer issue.
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Better yet, wait until it comes out on video or is showing on some cable movie channel.
Troops is GREAT! Much better than Phantom Turd could ever be.
The books don't count. The ONLY thing that counts as far as Star Wars "gospell" is the movies. If you need to read the book (or books based on the movie) to understand the movie or fill in the holes left by the movie then the director of the movie has FAILED.
It either stand up on its own or it falls down. Bringing in outside material to make it work is cheating.
Phantom Menace was a huge festering pile of crap! Like you I really liked the first three movies and found this one to be a total letdown.
I saw Phantom Menace once, only once and do not plan on seeing it gain. Contrast this with the fact that I saw Star Wars (Episode IV for the nitwits in the audiance) 30 (thirty) times in the theatres between 1977 and 1978 and un unknown number of times on HBO and video.
If the reviews of the next movie (from sources whose judgement and taste I can trust) are not INCREDABLY better than Phantom Turd I am not even going to bother to see it.
Lucas really screwed the pooch on this one. Blech!
The same reason we can't have politicians who want to solve the REAL problems in our (US) society. Thy'd rather go after porno, drug users, flag burners, liberals, etc... because they're easy targets. No logic, no thought, just push-button emotional stimulus responce.
We (the great unwashed masses) keep electing worthless moutpieces that sppon feed us the same old crap rather than address the real issues.
Makes you sad to be an American.
If I got visciously yelled at and called a "fucking Windoze loving moron" every time I asked a question on how to best use my car that would really put a dent in my desire to learn to drive, wouldn't it.
.rc file to edit on this particular version of Linux, or just trying to get ppp working? Sure most of my questions were bonehead but I asked in a very polite way - not DEMANDING and answer - and I DID try to RTFM (but that's hard to do when all of the FMs are out of date and nothing is where they say it is ot called what it used to be.
EVERY time I asked a Linux question on Usenet I'd get at least three flames telling me I was a moron because I had the lack of common sense to ask a simple question.
Why the hell should I put up with being yelled at just because I want to turn off sendmail and httpd and I don't know which
If the online community had been more helpful than insulting I might have bothered to stick it out. But getting shit on everytime I asked how to do something just was not worth it.
As a Be User I resent the fact that you chose to speak on my behalf and make "us" look just like the Linux flamers that the article was addressing.
Thanks for setting "our" cause back to the stone age.
Why? The best way to stop riots in prisons is to give the inmates something to do. Give these rabble rousers an outlet that channels their energy into a creative direction and not only do they not have as much itime to flame for no damned reason but they also improve their writing SK1LLZ.
I'm not too current on the LDP, but don't the HOWTO's and such get reviewed before they get "published"?
True, but this growing up can be hastened by reasoned guidence. I would not advocate cencorship of anyone's opinion, but I DO favor people helping the "less articulate" be more mature and reasonable.
The "Shock Troops" of change may get people's attention, but it is the advocacy of the reasonable agents of change that make new ideas become part of the new status quo.
That wouldn't really solve the problem, would it? It is _NOT_ just the /. community, it is the entire Linux Advocacy community (kinda like the old Gravis Ultrasound people) that is the problem. Not linking stories from /. would not stop the problem of rabid flame attacks at all.
The only way to solve the problem is for the Linux community to take itself SERIUOSLY and act in a manner that will generate the respect they want. If the community does not change then no ammount of "link cencorship" Rob puts here will help at all.
For Linux's sake I hope the community grows up.
They are NOT overstated. I know quite a few people who gave up on Linux (myself included) due to the massive amount of sh!t they recieved asking "beginner" questions in the newsgroups, or from being attacked as either Windoze FUD-slingers or idiots when they make (valid) complaints about the fact that Linux is NOT as easy to use as many say it is (not all of us know much (if anything) about Unix).
Unlike some of these attacked people I know, I do not tell people to "Stay away from that Linux crap and its psychotic zealots", but niether do I tell people that Linux is all that great, in my personal experience it is not (I hate unix, all flavors, but that's me).
How many more people would be using Linux today if the respomce to newbies was along the lines of "the solution is X" rather than "RTFM, you f*cking moron!"?
Understand that I did get helpfull replies to my questions and I did get people telling me how to make Linix easier for me to use, but for every positive responce I got I recieved at least three repsonces telling me I was an idiot.
So I've given up on Linux and moved to Be. At least the BeOS community is helpful.
Give Linux time to get easier? How much time? I've used Linux off and on since kernel 0.99, that's about nine years or so. Even today Linux is a pain in the ass.
When you can configer _EVERYTHING_ without _HAVING_ to drop to the command line and hunt down some damned config file in some wierd directory is the day Linux will get close to being user friendly.
Anyone else here remember the US Festivals in 1982 and 1983? Woz made thos happen. I got to work at the 1982 US Festival. 10 bands a day for three days. Wanna guess how much the tickets were? $10.00 (ten dollars) per day. That's a dollar an act. And these were not second string acts, they were headliners; The Police, The Kinks, The Grateful Dead, Jerry Jeff Walker, Fleetwood Mac, and amny more I can't remember.
If you got bored with the music there were exposition tents with all kinds of fun computer and technology goodies in them.
It still amazes me that there were 250,000 people at that show.
My understanding is that the low ticket prices meant that Woz lost (if you want to use that term) a lot of money on the US Festivals.
ObComputerComments: I always liked and respected the Apple II but I hated the Mac on sight.
I first used Linux way back in the 0.9x kernel days (an SLS distrobution) and it didn't support diddly!
BeOS is much further ahead in hardware support at it's current age on the Intel platform than Linux was at the same age.
Look at you people! Someone writes an article stating some painfully obvious things about Linux (all you need to do is read the comments from many /. readers to confirm many of his comments) and many of you start running around like red ants attacking him any way you can.
A waste of time and money.
Besides, you expect a goof movie with Kevin Costner in it? Give me a break!
A seven year old liked it. How quaint. Too bad anyone with an adult intelect hated it.
What the planet of hell are you talking about?
I saw Star Wars (the first one) thirty times in the movie theaters in 1977-1978, damn near every time it aired on HBO and even when it was broadcast on network TV. (Hell, I even suffered through that aweful Star Wars Holiday Special that was on TV).
I bought Star Wars art books by Ralph Maguire, the blueprints, a huge pile of models and all kinds of other stuff.
I saw Empire Straikes Back a few times and suffered through Revenge^H^H^H^H^H^H^HReturn of The Jedi.
I know Star Wars pretty damned well. And I HATED Phantom Menace. That movie was a very polished turd. Very pretty but still nothing more than a turd.
None of the others come close, especially #'s 1,5,6, & 7 (yech!).
...or to chose whatever OS suits your needs.
The mindless FUD I see here from the rabidly faithful makes all those Amiga-holes and GUS-maniacs look like enlightened free thinkers.
I agree with you 100%. A _LOT_ of the "it's free or I don't use it" crowd forget that out here in the "real world" we have to _PAY_ for our lives (rent. mortgages, food, clothing, tuition for our kids, etc...). It amazes me to see that so many here decry anyone who makes money at what they are good at or enjoy doing (programming in this case).
A lot of hippes got pissed off at the Grateful Dead because they chose to support themselves with their music rather than give it all away for free.
Do they expect all non-school (read "those not living off the fat of others") to have to keep day jobs just so software can be free?
There is an old Libertarian axiom: "There aint no such thing as a free lunch". Everything gets paid for. Free Software is paid for by the developer (or the institutuin that feeds him/her). Commercial Software is paid for by the people who use it.
The Dodge Dakota is hardly a defence for this kind of BS design.
These ugly pieces of crap remind me of all those really tall Toyota and Datsun pickup truks from the early eighties. You know, the ones with the lift kits and huge monster wheels. Poseur cars that never saw dirt. The precursors of the SUV.
The iMac is a beautiful design. Functional and nice to look at. I don't want one but I can respect the designer. These nasty pieces of pretentious crap are just plain annoying.
AT&T Worldnet has/had a similar thing. You signed up with a setup ptogram that setup some damned lame dailer and all. I looked through the ACCOUNT.TXT file, pulled out the dailup number, DNS info and login name and password and connected with my BeOS system.
Maybe they don't want to control you, but they are setting up thier signup system to be idiot proof (thus insuring that all they get is idiots).
My current ISP recently rolled out cable modems and they don't give a rats ass what OS you use. They only "officially" support Windows, but that's more a manpoer issue.