1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
Perhaps you should re-read it for yourself?
Every entry in that link speaks of proof as to have been proven true - hence the word itself is rooted from the word 'prove'. "evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true" - evidence is suggestive up until there is sufficient amounts, upon whence it becomes proof! There is nothing in your definition to suggest that proof cannot be true.
8. Mathematics, Logic. a sequence of steps, statements, or demonstrations that leads to a valid conclusion.
1 = 0.9 doesn't sound like a valid conclusion to me - it seems to be false, which is the opposite of true!
I think you probably didn't mean it this way, but your post is Exhibit A in much of what is wrong with mainstream christianity's attitude toward gay people. We're not lepers, and we're not hookers. We don't need anyone to "hate the sin, love the sinner"; we need for people to accept that being gay is not a sin.
You misunderstand me, mon frere - what I meant was that even if you perceive someone to be doing something wrong, you shouldn't be persecuting them. Regarding the sinfulness or lack thereof of being gay, well that's a tough one. Specifically because I've watched two of my closest friends go through the torture of coming out in particularly intolerant environments. It's not something I'd want anyone to have to go through. I honestly don't know what I think about it because I know this isn't something they chose. But that said, there's many stories of people who apparently "turned" straight. I don't know if that's even possible or whether it's brainwashing or what, but I have watched one person in particular seesaw in their.. how do you say.. 'level of gayness', from being a manwhore, to madly in love with a girl and questioning whether he was even gay anymore. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think anyone really understands it completely yet.
But I digress - that's another issue altogether. My point was that no-one should be persecuting anyone, even if they think they're doing something wrong.
I think it was Jesus who said to judge the tree by the fruit it bears. We can say all we want about the theoretical virtues of Christianity, but its fruit these days is pretty poor.
Yeah, I hear that yo. I can't say anything for the rest of the world, but where I live I like to think we have it pretty on-track.
Yeah, you'll find lots of interesting stuff there. Proof certainly has a similar meaning to evidence, but proof is conclusive, whereas evidence is suggestive.
oppose stem cell research, fight against the teaching of evolution in classrooms, and persecute gay people to whatever extent possible.
Did you miss the part of the bible where Jesus said we're supposed to love our neighbours and our enemies? The guy spent a lot of time hanging out with the people the 'church' of the day wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole - hookers, lepers, etc. Doing the right thing, helping them, looking after them. You know, the things we should be doing for everyone around us, even the ones society looks down on.
Evidently you're not the only one that missed it though - if more people didn't, perhaps you wouldn't feel inclined to write Christians off like that.
This is true, and you're right - the more immersive a game is, the less likely you are to notice graphical flaws. The Wii is built on this principle - big, ugly, unantialiased jaggies in Wii-Sports, and I don't care because it's about fun and the characters I see are representative of the game as my brain understands it. It's different for more realistic games though - when the game's going for as close to realistic as possible, anything that highlights the fact that you are looking at a screen and not running around some futuristic alien compound is going to pull you out of the game. Poor framerate, jaggies, sound glitches, artifacts, etc etc.
And yeah, it sounds interesting how the interconnect works, I think I might read up on that some more.
Games are slightly different because of their nature though, for you, the AA'd screen is just as immersive as the non-AA'd screen. They're interactive, and the interaction is what's important in the medium. The video just translates that for your interpretation, the I/O. So if one looks as good as the other and it runs faster? Hell yeah, use it.
Who cares? What matters is the difference between good quality and bad quality music.
Well, clearly I care, and I'm not alone in that. You can get a feel for how the music goes by listening to a ringtone played out a tinny phone speaker, but it's never going to be as satisfying as played through a set of HD555's. It can be good quality music but much like gaming and the AA example before, it's about immersion. I could probably play GTR2 on a crappy little 15" monitor with the keyboard in 800x600 and still understand whats going on in game, but there's very little chance of it ever being as immersive as on a widescreen panel with a wheel/pedal kit and 5.1 surround. Immersion engages you, makes everything more enjoyable. A good movie bootlegged on a handycam can still be well-written but goddammit if it's not going to piss you off because of the poor quality of the media in which it made it to you.
Most musicians pick through interpretation and, occasionally, technique and instruments; sound usually just doesn't make the list.
When I say musicians, I mean either professional ones, or ones who are trying to become professional. Tooting away on a tuba in high-school doesn't really count. Any musician who's done any decent amount of recording will back me up here. Spending any serious amount of in the studio gives you a new appreciation for the detail contained in a recording, and all of the aspects of everything that goes into it. Every delay, every echo, every backup vocal, every effect. Being able to hear those makes music much more enjoyable. If you don't care or can't hear - well, sucks to be you, because you're missing out.
Oh wow - how good was that first realisation? I still remember the first time I enabled 4xAA. I was just blown away by how good games could look! And the higher the contrast of the colours (between light and dark - the yellow lines on the black tarmac in NFSU are a great example) the more noticeable it is.
I had no idea the MacBook had such a high-resolution screen - that's pretty amazing. You must be loving it!
It's not as noticeably as resolutions increase, because each jaggy pixel makes is smaller. But honestly, if you can't see the difference, I'm not going to tell you, because once you do notice, you're locked into an expensive hardware upgrade cycle.
To me, 4xAA is an absolute must - 2x at an absolute, absolute minimum. It's far more noticeable on my 1360x768 40" TV than my 1680x1050 20" monitor, the TV requires higher levels of AA to look fluid and smooth. When you know what you're looking at, AA is the difference between looking at a video game and looking at a photo. That's what it's like for others.
My hope for you is that you never learn - may your gaming remain fast and cheap!
yeah, you're probably right. but i can find you a hundred people who think britney spears is insightful and deep.
after i got my first pair of decent headphones, i was -blown away- by how much detail in music i had been missing. for the next two weeks i went back and listened to all of my cds all over again. i couldn't believe how much detail there was that i'd never heard before.
the low, distorted, creepy shadowing in matt bellamy's voice in the opening song off Black Holes & Revelations. the creaking of the chair that a guitarist sat on in a cheap acoustic recording session. the keyboards in Reel Big Fish - Beer. the subtle third (by that i mean, there's 3 voices, not a 3th interval) harmonies in almost any Anberlin song. the way that the G string (haw haw) buzzes slightly when open-fretted on Rise Against's acoustic track Swing Life Away.
mp3's not responsible for losing detail in music. crappy audio hardware is.
(as long as you don't encode at 192kbps or above.. anything less than that is a goddamn crime)
Tell me about it. Case in point, a band that we used to play with, Bad Day Down. They recorded two albums in the last three years, both in the same studio with the same producer. One was mastered by some retard who charged way too much for it at the other at Blasting Room. The difference, despite near-identical sources for both records, was nothing short of phenomenal.
I'm almost considering just pushing the volume up on our current album as loud as it'll go without clipping then refusing to master it.
Agree strongly - the punchiness of the kick really strongly makes a difference, and the cymbals are -always- the first to go. Digital artifacts all over the place, ringing distorted.
I've had people tell me they can't tell the difference between antialiasing and no antialiasing in games, they have no idea what it does. To me it's a horrible jaggy mess without AA, because I know what good quality video looks like.
It's the same with you - you just simply don't know the difference between good quality and bad quality audio. Your ears aren't good enough, or your brain doesn't know what it's supposed to be listening to.
Then again, I'm a musician so I'm used to picking through the fine parts of sound. I'd say it's in much the same way that a mechanic could hear something going wrong with my car's engine long before I'd hear the a problem.
Maybe you didn't understand the concept of what's going on here. That seems to be going around lately.
The datacenter is something they sell space in to customer. It's a third party colocation room. Slashdot traffic doesn't go anywhere near it because there's no active servers or data comms gear in there, it's just an empty room.
PIPE's a telecommunications carrier. The datacentre isn't for their own number crunching. Load on the web server has nothing to do with it.
Let's just take a moment to think here.
PIPE Networks is a telecommunications carrier. Primary purposes of selling Dark Fibre, Peering, Telehousing and Metro ethernet circuits. I'm not sure how the strength of the webserver that was never expecting slashdot volumes of traffic could possibly have any implication on their ability to do their fulfill their primary purposes. That's like saying a public transport network must be rubbish because they have an ugly website - it's totally unrelated to their actual job performance.
No-one said they were building the actual building from scratch, and to assume that it -has- to include the construction of the actual building itself seems a bit pedantic. If you build a server, does it include fabrication of the case and all the parts in it? Do you have to build the case yourself? No, because those things were already fabricated - you designed what you wanted, put them all together, installed them, installed the OS etc. You took a previous housing and put your stuff in it, much like building a DC inside a building you leased.
Yeah. As the name suggests, DC3 is the third datacentre.
As a former PIPE employee and someone who helped build both DC2 and DC3, I can tell you it was devoid of computers except for a random machine that was capturing webcam and uploading it to the web server.
Yeah, except that if you actually look through the process, you'll see that it was all done quite well, and better than their previous two datacentres, which they had no trouble filling to capacity.
If you can do things on a console that don't require you to give them money, they lost money. Since they're taking such a painful hit on the hardware costs, they want you to buy games to recoup that.
Any way that you can use your console without spending money is another minute you didn't spend on a game that's subsidising their loss.
Yeah, we get that it's illegal, but considering money i've spent on band's cds/tshirts/tickets i've bought because I downloaded an album? that's gotta number in thousands of dollars.
Similarly too, the money i've spent on games/programs i've bought because i've seen someone else using a copy they pirated? also in the thousands, hell if you include what I've bought on behalf of organisations, tens of thousands of dollars.
Personally, I buy things that warrant purchase, but I certainly don't want to buy something that I'm not sure will fill my needs.
Haha, the chinese are used to this kind of treatment, that's great.
That's about the equivalent of saying that we don't need to get rid of sweatshop labour exploitation in poor countries, because the kids are used to it. Yeah, people will just use something else if Google doesn't agree to their terms, whatever. If 99% of Google's users don't give two shits about this sort of thing, then nothing is ever going to change there.
But I guess because you're happy and comfortable somewhere else with the freedom to write shit, it doesn't matter, right?
"Don't be evil." is a pretty clear message. Helping the Chinese government supress free thought and freedom sounds pretty evil to me, and given that I'm not evil, I don't think it's a great move. But hey, who cares if there's money in it, right?
Slashdot Mirror
how .. is that .. even possible!
it's like finding someone who's been on the intarweb for years who's never seen goatse.
I think you probably didn't mean it this way, but your post is Exhibit A in much of what is wrong with mainstream christianity's attitude toward gay people. We're not lepers, and we're not hookers. We don't need anyone to "hate the sin, love the sinner"; we need for people to accept that being gay is not a sin.
You misunderstand me, mon frere - what I meant was that even if you perceive someone to be doing something wrong, you shouldn't be persecuting them. Regarding the sinfulness or lack thereof of being gay, well that's a tough one. Specifically because I've watched two of my closest friends go through the torture of coming out in particularly intolerant environments. It's not something I'd want anyone to have to go through. I honestly don't know what I think about it because I know this isn't something they chose. But that said, there's many stories of people who apparently "turned" straight. I don't know if that's even possible or whether it's brainwashing or what, but I have watched one person in particular seesaw in their .. how do you say .. 'level of gayness', from being a manwhore, to madly in love with a girl and questioning whether he was even gay anymore. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think anyone really understands it completely yet.
But I digress - that's another issue altogether. My point was that no-one should be persecuting anyone, even if they think they're doing something wrong.
I think it was Jesus who said to judge the tree by the fruit it bears. We can say all we want about the theoretical virtues of Christianity, but its fruit these days is pretty poor.
Yeah, I hear that yo. I can't say anything for the rest of the world, but where I live I like to think we have it pretty on-track.
Yeah, you'll find lots of interesting stuff there. Proof certainly has a similar meaning to evidence, but proof is conclusive, whereas evidence is suggestive.
oppose stem cell research, fight against the teaching of evolution in classrooms, and persecute gay people to whatever extent possible.
Did you miss the part of the bible where Jesus said we're supposed to love our neighbours and our enemies? The guy spent a lot of time hanging out with the people the 'church' of the day wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole - hookers, lepers, etc. Doing the right thing, helping them, looking after them. You know, the things we should be doing for everyone around us, even the ones society looks down on.
Evidently you're not the only one that missed it though - if more people didn't, perhaps you wouldn't feel inclined to write Christians off like that.
This is true, and you're right - the more immersive a game is, the less likely you are to notice graphical flaws. The Wii is built on this principle - big, ugly, unantialiased jaggies in Wii-Sports, and I don't care because it's about fun and the characters I see are representative of the game as my brain understands it. It's different for more realistic games though - when the game's going for as close to realistic as possible, anything that highlights the fact that you are looking at a screen and not running around some futuristic alien compound is going to pull you out of the game. Poor framerate, jaggies, sound glitches, artifacts, etc etc.
And yeah, it sounds interesting how the interconnect works, I think I might read up on that some more.
Yeah, totally. Lucky bastard :P
Games are slightly different because of their nature though, for you, the AA'd screen is just as immersive as the non-AA'd screen. They're interactive, and the interaction is what's important in the medium. The video just translates that for your interpretation, the I/O. So if one looks as good as the other and it runs faster? Hell yeah, use it.
Who cares? What matters is the difference between good quality and bad quality music.
Well, clearly I care, and I'm not alone in that. You can get a feel for how the music goes by listening to a ringtone played out a tinny phone speaker, but it's never going to be as satisfying as played through a set of HD555's. It can be good quality music but much like gaming and the AA example before, it's about immersion. I could probably play GTR2 on a crappy little 15" monitor with the keyboard in 800x600 and still understand whats going on in game, but there's very little chance of it ever being as immersive as on a widescreen panel with a wheel/pedal kit and 5.1 surround. Immersion engages you, makes everything more enjoyable. A good movie bootlegged on a handycam can still be well-written but goddammit if it's not going to piss you off because of the poor quality of the media in which it made it to you.
Most musicians pick through interpretation and, occasionally, technique and instruments; sound usually just doesn't make the list.
When I say musicians, I mean either professional ones, or ones who are trying to become professional. Tooting away on a tuba in high-school doesn't really count. Any musician who's done any decent amount of recording will back me up here. Spending any serious amount of in the studio gives you a new appreciation for the detail contained in a recording, and all of the aspects of everything that goes into it. Every delay, every echo, every backup vocal, every effect. Being able to hear those makes music much more enjoyable. If you don't care or can't hear - well, sucks to be you, because you're missing out.
Are you serious?
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You can't see differences like http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1128280140
You fail at seeing.
Err, as long as you DO encode at 192kbps or above .. i fail at preview.
Oh wow - how good was that first realisation? I still remember the first time I enabled 4xAA. I was just blown away by how good games could look! And the higher the contrast of the colours (between light and dark - the yellow lines on the black tarmac in NFSU are a great example) the more noticeable it is. I had no idea the MacBook had such a high-resolution screen - that's pretty amazing. You must be loving it!
It's not as noticeably as resolutions increase, because each jaggy pixel makes is smaller. But honestly, if you can't see the difference, I'm not going to tell you, because once you do notice, you're locked into an expensive hardware upgrade cycle. To me, 4xAA is an absolute must - 2x at an absolute, absolute minimum. It's far more noticeable on my 1360x768 40" TV than my 1680x1050 20" monitor, the TV requires higher levels of AA to look fluid and smooth. When you know what you're looking at, AA is the difference between looking at a video game and looking at a photo. That's what it's like for others. My hope for you is that you never learn - may your gaming remain fast and cheap!
yeah, you're probably right. but i can find you a hundred people who think britney spears is insightful and deep. after i got my first pair of decent headphones, i was -blown away- by how much detail in music i had been missing. for the next two weeks i went back and listened to all of my cds all over again. i couldn't believe how much detail there was that i'd never heard before. the low, distorted, creepy shadowing in matt bellamy's voice in the opening song off Black Holes & Revelations. the creaking of the chair that a guitarist sat on in a cheap acoustic recording session. the keyboards in Reel Big Fish - Beer. the subtle third (by that i mean, there's 3 voices, not a 3th interval) harmonies in almost any Anberlin song. the way that the G string (haw haw) buzzes slightly when open-fretted on Rise Against's acoustic track Swing Life Away. mp3's not responsible for losing detail in music. crappy audio hardware is. (as long as you don't encode at 192kbps or above .. anything less than that is a goddamn crime)
ahaha i know EXACTLY what you mean.
Tell me about it. Case in point, a band that we used to play with, Bad Day Down. They recorded two albums in the last three years, both in the same studio with the same producer. One was mastered by some retard who charged way too much for it at the other at Blasting Room. The difference, despite near-identical sources for both records, was nothing short of phenomenal. I'm almost considering just pushing the volume up on our current album as loud as it'll go without clipping then refusing to master it.
(Of course, I won't, but I -really- want to)
Agree strongly - the punchiness of the kick really strongly makes a difference, and the cymbals are -always- the first to go. Digital artifacts all over the place, ringing distorted.
Yeah, but that's your fault.
I've had people tell me they can't tell the difference between antialiasing and no antialiasing in games, they have no idea what it does. To me it's a horrible jaggy mess without AA, because I know what good quality video looks like.
It's the same with you - you just simply don't know the difference between good quality and bad quality audio. Your ears aren't good enough, or your brain doesn't know what it's supposed to be listening to.
Then again, I'm a musician so I'm used to picking through the fine parts of sound. I'd say it's in much the same way that a mechanic could hear something going wrong with my car's engine long before I'd hear the a problem.
Maybe you didn't understand the concept of what's going on here. That seems to be going around lately. The datacenter is something they sell space in to customer. It's a third party colocation room. Slashdot traffic doesn't go anywhere near it because there's no active servers or data comms gear in there, it's just an empty room. PIPE's a telecommunications carrier. The datacentre isn't for their own number crunching. Load on the web server has nothing to do with it.
Let's just take a moment to think here. PIPE Networks is a telecommunications carrier. Primary purposes of selling Dark Fibre, Peering, Telehousing and Metro ethernet circuits. I'm not sure how the strength of the webserver that was never expecting slashdot volumes of traffic could possibly have any implication on their ability to do their fulfill their primary purposes. That's like saying a public transport network must be rubbish because they have an ugly website - it's totally unrelated to their actual job performance. No-one said they were building the actual building from scratch, and to assume that it -has- to include the construction of the actual building itself seems a bit pedantic. If you build a server, does it include fabrication of the case and all the parts in it? Do you have to build the case yourself? No, because those things were already fabricated - you designed what you wanted, put them all together, installed them, installed the OS etc. You took a previous housing and put your stuff in it, much like building a DC inside a building you leased.
Yeah. As the name suggests, DC3 is the third datacentre. As a former PIPE employee and someone who helped build both DC2 and DC3, I can tell you it was devoid of computers except for a random machine that was capturing webcam and uploading it to the web server.
Yeah, except that if you actually look through the process, you'll see that it was all done quite well, and better than their previous two datacentres, which they had no trouble filling to capacity.
If you can do things on a console that don't require you to give them money, they lost money. Since they're taking such a painful hit on the hardware costs, they want you to buy games to recoup that. Any way that you can use your console without spending money is another minute you didn't spend on a game that's subsidising their loss.
Yeah, we get that it's illegal, but considering money i've spent on band's cds/tshirts/tickets i've bought because I downloaded an album? that's gotta number in thousands of dollars.
Similarly too, the money i've spent on games/programs i've bought because i've seen someone else using a copy they pirated? also in the thousands, hell if you include what I've bought on behalf of organisations, tens of thousands of dollars.
Personally, I buy things that warrant purchase, but I certainly don't want to buy something that I'm not sure will fill my needs.
i don't get it
Haha, the chinese are used to this kind of treatment, that's great.
That's about the equivalent of saying that we don't need to get rid of sweatshop labour exploitation in poor countries, because the kids are used to it. Yeah, people will just use something else if Google doesn't agree to their terms, whatever. If 99% of Google's users don't give two shits about this sort of thing, then nothing is ever going to change there.
But I guess because you're happy and comfortable somewhere else with the freedom to write shit, it doesn't matter, right?
"Don't be evil." is a pretty clear message. Helping the Chinese government supress free thought and freedom sounds pretty evil to me, and given that I'm not evil, I don't think it's a great move. But hey, who cares if there's money in it, right?