What it needs is: a welfare-state shutdown, a 15% flat income/corporation tax with an untaxed threshold level above the breadline, and 99% of its "public" workforce thrown out on their asses to get a real job.
wow. Karl Marx eat your heart out, here's 20 or so words on a new economic theory on how to save the world. That's all it takes.
you do realise that under your proposed scheme people with Learning Disabilities who are incapable of getting a job die? or just end up very very poor? And so do the physically disabled. And the elderly. And the single mothers. Shit, everyone who isn't fit, healthy, independant, and had the benefit of a good education is pretty much screwed. Wait, this doesn't include you does it? So i'm guessing you won't listen.
You guys seem to [revolt] every hundred years, and you manage to do it and keep the 'same' government.
Okay, I don't know much English history
No shit?
Much as everyone in Britain would like to live through another civil war, we're thinking we might pace ourselves this time?
But its not like the very nature of our society has changed, what with mass-media, globalisation, TV, the Internet, less religion, more science, better education for everyone..etc. etc. etc. But i guess you're right, I mean, where the fuck is Cromwell when you need him hey?
If your not armed, what options do you have that you don't have when you are armed?
I rather think the question should be: what options does the person who is NOT you have when he IS armed, as opposed to when he's not?
Just pointing out an armed populace has one more option.
Everything which follows is anecdotal at best, but its come from lots of visits to family in the USA, and from living in the UK.
Mr geekoid: You don't have first hand experience of the UK. I really don't want to be associated with anything other than the centre-left crowd to which I generally belong politically, and I have no problem with people (foreign or British) criticising my government -in fact i welcome it, after all "dissent is the highed form of patriotism" said an intelligent American, and I agree- but on some issues if you are not British you have no right to shout about what we should or shouldn't be doing. Gun crime is one of them.
We live in a (geographically) small country. There are 60 million people in it. It is -compared to America- crowded. London, for example, is more like New York than New York is. And the difference in attitude and lifestyle between London and the suburban British towns? Minimal. If you permit people to have arms and encourage a gun culture MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE. It will be like New York or LA in America (not as extreme, but more like them than, say, Montana) American Gun Crime statistics are watered down by the affluent, suburban areas, and remote areas with less social problems. We just don't have that many of these in Britain. It is not all mansions and tea (well, it is all tea. but there's no mansions.)
Everywhere you go in Britain people wear hoods. People go to the pub, get drunk and brawl. Every weekend, shit: every night. There's drugs everywhere, not just in the cities or the remote country, but in towns of all sizes. there's gangs, not just in the inner cities but also in the "affluent" towns and villages. We don't believe in God. Anywhere. We have different races in towns of all sizes and very few purely caucasian towns with stuck-up "family values, think of the children" introversion.
Now, don't get me wrong, there's bad stuff too. We have rich, posh people. We have BMW's and Mercs and fake tans fashionistas. But our middle class is not isolated. We cannot take a "guns for protection" view because it needs isolation. It's what allows the American middle-class to spout useless, biased statistics about crime cause "its not happening to me. Fuck the poor fifteen year old black kid from Compton" right? He must've done something wrong. Well fuck that attitude. The kids in Compton are the ones that need protecting more the middle-aged man from Piss Pot, Iowa.
For what i know will not be the last time but i wish it was: You cannot compare America with Britain. They have completely different social problems that effect them. British society is much more volatile than America over a steady, consistent area, America is much more polarised.
So, in summary, we know you mean well when you criticize our society, our culture, our parliament. But when it comes to advising us on what weapons we can and can't have: fuck off and leave us alone.
(It's even more sad when I have to post anonymously for fear that people who disagree with my post might interpret it to be against their version of Islam and harm myself and my family)
Is this dry wit or are you serious?
If you are serious, is this necessary? are you sure you "have to post anonymously"? Based on what?
Being that this is a nice little article designed to show some of the plethora of Islamic contributions to modern society, must you once again provoke an emotional response in some by using the phrase "harm...my family"?
[Islam's] scientific achievements [have] become overshadowed by religious fundamentalism
..the only way that they could've got these results is by conducting the poll outside a fucking church..
..or, bearing in mind the average church attendance in britain, about 500 fucking churches..
..all of which were in the middle of nowhere, in the pissing rain..
..and targetting people who were running somewhere in a hurry, and the interviewer ran alongside shouting "do you believe Intelligent Design should be taught in science class?" "Sure, why not, now out of my way i'm missing the football.." (muttering) "wanker.."
See we do have a religion that we honour on Sundays (and Saturdays at 3pm), but Christianity isn't it..
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wow. Karl Marx eat your heart out, here's 20 or so words on a new economic theory on how to save the world. That's all it takes.
you do realise that under your proposed scheme people with Learning Disabilities who are incapable of getting a job die? or just end up very very poor? And so do the physically disabled. And the elderly. And the single mothers. Shit, everyone who isn't fit, healthy, independant, and had the benefit of a good education is pretty much screwed. Wait, this doesn't include you does it? So i'm guessing you won't listen.
"Some for renown, on scraps of learning dote,/and think they grow immortal as they quote" - Edward Young (1683 - 1765)
Okay, I don't know much English history
No shit?
Much as everyone in Britain would like to live through another civil war, we're thinking we might pace ourselves this time?
But its not like the very nature of our society has changed, what with mass-media, globalisation, TV, the Internet, less religion, more science, better education for everyone..etc. etc. etc. But i guess you're right, I mean, where the fuck is Cromwell when you need him hey?
I rather think the question should be: what options does the person who is NOT you have when he IS armed, as opposed to when he's not?
Just pointing out an armed populace has one more option.
Everything which follows is anecdotal at best, but its come from lots of visits to family in the USA, and from living in the UK.
Mr geekoid: You don't have first hand experience of the UK. I really don't want to be associated with anything other than the centre-left crowd to which I generally belong politically, and I have no problem with people (foreign or British) criticising my government -in fact i welcome it, after all "dissent is the highed form of patriotism" said an intelligent American, and I agree- but on some issues if you are not British you have no right to shout about what we should or shouldn't be doing. Gun crime is one of them.
We live in a (geographically) small country. There are 60 million people in it. It is -compared to America- crowded. London, for example, is more like New York than New York is. And the difference in attitude and lifestyle between London and the suburban British towns? Minimal. If you permit people to have arms and encourage a gun culture MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE. It will be like New York or LA in America (not as extreme, but more like them than, say, Montana) American Gun Crime statistics are watered down by the affluent, suburban areas, and remote areas with less social problems. We just don't have that many of these in Britain. It is not all mansions and tea (well, it is all tea. but there's no mansions.)
Everywhere you go in Britain people wear hoods. People go to the pub, get drunk and brawl. Every weekend, shit: every night. There's drugs everywhere, not just in the cities or the remote country, but in towns of all sizes. there's gangs, not just in the inner cities but also in the "affluent" towns and villages. We don't believe in God. Anywhere. We have different races in towns of all sizes and very few purely caucasian towns with stuck-up "family values, think of the children" introversion.
Now, don't get me wrong, there's bad stuff too. We have rich, posh people. We have BMW's and Mercs and fake tans fashionistas. But our middle class is not isolated. We cannot take a "guns for protection" view because it needs isolation. It's what allows the American middle-class to spout useless, biased statistics about crime cause "its not happening to me. Fuck the poor fifteen year old black kid from Compton" right? He must've done something wrong. Well fuck that attitude. The kids in Compton are the ones that need protecting more the middle-aged man from Piss Pot, Iowa.
For what i know will not be the last time but i wish it was: You cannot compare America with Britain. They have completely different social problems that effect them. British society is much more volatile than America over a steady, consistent area, America is much more polarised.
So, in summary, we know you mean well when you criticize our society, our culture, our parliament. But when it comes to advising us on what weapons we can and can't have: fuck off and leave us alone.
Is this dry wit or are you serious?
If you are serious, is this necessary? are you sure you "have to post anonymously"? Based on what?
Being that this is a nice little article designed to show some of the plethora of Islamic contributions to modern society, must you once again provoke an emotional response in some by using the phrase "harm...my family"?
[Islam's] scientific achievements [have] become overshadowed by religious fundamentalism
You're not helping..
"Sure, why not, now out of my way i'm missing the football.." (muttering) "wanker.."
See we do have a religion that we honour on Sundays (and Saturdays at 3pm), but Christianity isn't it..