Um, no, it means "unknown to science". The sous-chef at Crazy Duong's Iguana Eatery is not a scientist, nor is his second cousin with the acupuncture needles and the powdered tiger penis.
Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.
Someone "Discovered" an ant colony. Those already living in the ant colony "Discovered" some huge monster peering at them with a magnifying glass. Perspective.
Eh. If you're going to take the "you can't prove it DOESN'T happen" approach, then we may as well assume that some humans can outrun speeding bullets, stop locomotives dead in their tracks, and leap tall buildings in a single bound. After all, given the lack of 'medical science' that we presently have compared to what we'll have in a hundred years, you'd be a fool to completely write it off, right?
Both of the comments I referred to had been moderated, and the original moronic and offensive post still has a +3.
No, it has a +1. If you're seeing the number "3" beside it, that's because comments start off with a 1, some get an automatic bonus of 1 for karma, and the +1 that he actually got from moderation makes it a total of 3. For me it shows up as 2, since I have the karma thingy turned off. Either way, complaining that the guy got one fucking mod point is pretty dumb. It would still be dumb if his comment were a troll, and it's even more dumb when we consider that his comment is actually mildly amusing. Despite what some fascists might think, a shitty joke is not the same as trolling.
I was using the word flame before there was an Internet to use it on.
Yah, me too. Had multiple meanings, too, including something you'd make with fuel, oxygen, and a spark, as well as being a descriptive term for the behavior of certain homosexual men. Not sure what that has to do with the usage of the word "troll" as it pertains to online communities, though.
Don't try to tell me what the words of hackerdom mean, because I was around when the word hacker first came into use. In order to hack, you generally had to know how to use at least a screwdriver.
Well I know how to use a screwdriver, a wrench, AND a hammer. In fact, if I remember correctly, the latter was the primary troubleshooting tool for pre-internet computers. So.... how many internets do I win?
The moderation has changed since I made my comment.
Well if one has a +1, and the other has nothing, that would mean that neither comment was moderated when you made your comment. Soooo.... you were complaining about moderation, because both comments hadn't yet been moderated?
I fail to see the logic.
What I am going on about is that slashdot is awash in troll posts trying to be funny and moderation that doesn't seem to mind.
I don't think you actually understand what the word "troll" means, since neither of those comments fit the definition.
Yep, that's why there's a huge waiting list of people who want to go up in these things. Because it's a dead end. Right.
Typical for a market fundamentalist, you misunderstand Occam's razor and assume the simplest (and thus cheapest) solution is *always* the best.
I do?
Look, I understand that you need to grasp at straws in order to justify your mindless dislike of private space industry, but this strawman / ad-hominem bullshit isn't helping your case.
For instance, it was years before the Lockheed F-117 was widely known due to secrecy and then general media suppression once it was known to exist.
Yah, and we knew about the F-22 before the winning bid was even selected. The days of really cool secret military projects are long gone. These days it's just a handful of 70-year-old guys in the old skunk-works hangar screwing around with technology that was obsolete 5 years ago.
Given the possibility of this being a "secret military missile", or it being just an aircraft contrail that someone mistook for a missile, which do you think is more likely?
I've always wondered... what the hell is there to spend on? If the case against you has no merit, why are you giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to a lawyer when you can just represent yourself?
But database names like "globalops" and "livechat" inspires no confidence at all. Imagine if this hacker didn't deface the site, but made a script that silently reads and forwards information out of those databases to the highest bidder...
Yep, because foreign governments would pay large sums of money for freely listed information about the deployments of the RN, accompanied with chat-logs between navy recruiters and Joe/m/15 from Liverpool asking if sailors also get guns.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research has yet another nail pounded into its coffin.
Of course people will still support it as some kind of political statement.
With the advent of the high-speed train, the automobile has had yet another nail pounded into it's coffin. Of course, people will still continue to buy them as some sort of political statement.
So, by your definition, the folks laying road bombs in Iraq to drive out the US would not be categorized as terrorists. Is this correct?
If they had the support of the majority of the population, didn't intentionally target fellow countrymen, and were attempting to overthrow an oppressive government in order to establish a free republic, sure. If we had some ham, we could make a ham and cheese sandwich. If we had some cheese. And some bread.
Don't play games. When you mention that it happened under one president without bothering to mention that it started much, MUCH earlier, you're either ignorant or you're being intentionally deceitful.
Not really. Usually when something like that happens everyone is too pissed off to be frightened. But everyone reacts differently. Even under combat conditions you get a wide range of reactions, which is why you'll hear about some guy who spent the entire battle hiding in the bottom of his trench, while another guy rushed a machinegun nest and beat 5 enemy soldiers to death with a shovel. When things go badly in training, we mostly just try to make sure it's discussed in detail during the debrief so we can learn from it.
The people you're referring to weren't using violence to create fear in the populace - they enjoyed widespread support amongst their countrymen, they rejected the rule of a government they considered illegitimate, they formed new provincial governments and then banded together in order to form a nation, they ejected the British officials, and, finally, they fought standing battles against British forces, first through partisan warfare and eventually through the use of a standing army. At no point did they blow up schools, hospitals, and police stations, or deliberately attack unarmed civilians, nor did they seek to terrorize the populace in order to gain power and unwilling support.
If you're unable to see the difference between an entire nation standing up and fighting for it's independence, and a bunch of power-hungry assholes wantonly killing civilians in order to gain control over others, then you really don't belong in this conversation.
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Usually means unknown to western science.
Um, no, it means "unknown to science". The sous-chef at Crazy Duong's Iguana Eatery is not a scientist, nor is his second cousin with the acupuncture needles and the powdered tiger penis.
Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.
Someone "Discovered" an ant colony. Those already living in the ant colony "Discovered" some huge monster peering at them with a magnifying glass. Perspective.
Eh. If you're going to take the "you can't prove it DOESN'T happen" approach, then we may as well assume that some humans can outrun speeding bullets, stop locomotives dead in their tracks, and leap tall buildings in a single bound. After all, given the lack of 'medical science' that we presently have compared to what we'll have in a hundred years, you'd be a fool to completely write it off, right?
Both of the comments I referred to had been moderated, and the original moronic and offensive post still has a +3.
No, it has a +1. If you're seeing the number "3" beside it, that's because comments start off with a 1, some get an automatic bonus of 1 for karma, and the +1 that he actually got from moderation makes it a total of 3. For me it shows up as 2, since I have the karma thingy turned off. Either way, complaining that the guy got one fucking mod point is pretty dumb. It would still be dumb if his comment were a troll, and it's even more dumb when we consider that his comment is actually mildly amusing. Despite what some fascists might think, a shitty joke is not the same as trolling.
I was using the word flame before there was an Internet to use it on.
Yah, me too. Had multiple meanings, too, including something you'd make with fuel, oxygen, and a spark, as well as being a descriptive term for the behavior of certain homosexual men. Not sure what that has to do with the usage of the word "troll" as it pertains to online communities, though.
Don't try to tell me what the words of hackerdom mean, because I was around when the word hacker first came into use. In order to hack, you generally had to know how to use at least a screwdriver.
Well I know how to use a screwdriver, a wrench, AND a hammer. In fact, if I remember correctly, the latter was the primary troubleshooting tool for pre-internet computers. So .... how many internets do I win?
The moderation has changed since I made my comment.
Well if one has a +1, and the other has nothing, that would mean that neither comment was moderated when you made your comment. Soooo .... you were complaining about moderation, because both comments hadn't yet been moderated?
I fail to see the logic.
What I am going on about is that slashdot is awash in troll posts trying to be funny and moderation that doesn't seem to mind.
I don't think you actually understand what the word "troll" means, since neither of those comments fit the definition.
Its not efficiency, its dead-end technology
Yep, that's why there's a huge waiting list of people who want to go up in these things. Because it's a dead end. Right.
Typical for a market fundamentalist, you misunderstand Occam's razor and assume the simplest (and thus cheapest) solution is *always* the best.
I do?
Look, I understand that you need to grasp at straws in order to justify your mindless dislike of private space industry, but this strawman / ad-hominem bullshit isn't helping your case.
Eh? One's got a +1 "Funny", and the other one isn't moderated at all. What the hell are you going on about?
Right, so she can order you the pattern from Amazon, and you can knit it yourself!
and doing so using demonstrably simpler and less powerful rocket technology
Since when is efficiency a bad thing?
There's video?
Getting videos to play from the CBS site necessitates telling noscript to allow 50 other sites, for some reason. It's just not worth it.
Anyway, I was just mentioning one possible explanation - the main point was that yelling "OMG SECRET PROJECT!" is a wee bit premature.
For instance, it was years before the Lockheed F-117 was widely known due to secrecy and then general media suppression once it was known to exist.
Yah, and we knew about the F-22 before the winning bid was even selected. The days of really cool secret military projects are long gone. These days it's just a handful of 70-year-old guys in the old skunk-works hangar screwing around with technology that was obsolete 5 years ago.
Given the possibility of this being a "secret military missile", or it being just an aircraft contrail that someone mistook for a missile, which do you think is more likely?
I've always wondered ... what the hell is there to spend on? If the case against you has no merit, why are you giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to a lawyer when you can just represent yourself?
The part where you bought the product.
Would you be in favor of throttling electricity (analog: bandwidth) to said neighbor?
No.
What if the power company started throttling electricity to all grow lamps, even those used for legitimate gardening uses (analog: legal torrents)?
HELL no.
My (rather shaky) point is that, although your best interests aren't taken to heart, perhaps someone's best interests are.
Yah - the CEO and shareholders. Is that supposed to make me feel better?
When you say "smashing iron", they think of banging two iron bars together
Well, yeah. What are they supposed to think? And what does smashing iron have to do with an experiment in which they smashed lead ions?
this is a nuclear powered brand new stealth submarine, giving away its secret propulsion system as the tide lowers
Shit. Thanks to this incident, the whole world knows that the UK uses propellers. May as well just scrap the whole navy now.
If religion were a car, it would be a Pinto.
And no, I wouldn't drive it.
But database names like "globalops" and "livechat" inspires no confidence at all. Imagine if this hacker didn't deface the site, but made a script that silently reads and forwards information out of those databases to the highest bidder...
Yep, because foreign governments would pay large sums of money for freely listed information about the deployments of the RN, accompanied with chat-logs between navy recruiters and Joe/m/15 from Liverpool asking if sailors also get guns.
Unsupported assertion is unsupported.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research has yet another nail pounded into its coffin.
Of course people will still support it as some kind of political statement.
With the advent of the high-speed train, the automobile has had yet another nail pounded into it's coffin. Of course, people will still continue to buy them as some sort of political statement.
See how stupid you sound?
Evolution is so obvious, so evident, so undeniable. We experience it every day, even within our own families.
Huh?
Maybe if you're living in Chernobyl .... otherwise, I call bullshit. I don't think you know what evolution actually is.
False dichotomy.
That was a quick debate!
So, by your definition, the folks laying road bombs in Iraq to drive out the US would not be categorized as terrorists. Is this correct?
If they had the support of the majority of the population, didn't intentionally target fellow countrymen, and were attempting to overthrow an oppressive government in order to establish a free republic, sure. If we had some ham, we could make a ham and cheese sandwich. If we had some cheese. And some bread.
Don't play games. When you mention that it happened under one president without bothering to mention that it started much, MUCH earlier, you're either ignorant or you're being intentionally deceitful.
Not really. Usually when something like that happens everyone is too pissed off to be frightened. But everyone reacts differently. Even under combat conditions you get a wide range of reactions, which is why you'll hear about some guy who spent the entire battle hiding in the bottom of his trench, while another guy rushed a machinegun nest and beat 5 enemy soldiers to death with a shovel. When things go badly in training, we mostly just try to make sure it's discussed in detail during the debrief so we can learn from it.
Either that or I'm missing something in the definition of a terrorist.
Yeah, you're missing this part:
the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/588371/terrorism
The people you're referring to weren't using violence to create fear in the populace - they enjoyed widespread support amongst their countrymen, they rejected the rule of a government they considered illegitimate, they formed new provincial governments and then banded together in order to form a nation, they ejected the British officials, and, finally, they fought standing battles against British forces, first through partisan warfare and eventually through the use of a standing army. At no point did they blow up schools, hospitals, and police stations, or deliberately attack unarmed civilians, nor did they seek to terrorize the populace in order to gain power and unwilling support.
If you're unable to see the difference between an entire nation standing up and fighting for it's independence, and a bunch of power-hungry assholes wantonly killing civilians in order to gain control over others, then you really don't belong in this conversation.