Exactly what part of "there has been no indication' that any Afghans who have collaborated with the NATO occupation have been harmed as a result of the leaks" are you having trouble with?
I don't know about him, but I'm having trouble with the "written August 16" part. Seeing as how that was roughly a month after the leak, and it's now 3 months later, it would be nice to see some up-to-date info on the situation.
The best way to get yourself dismissed by anyone with an IQ over 30 is to mention that piece of crap conspiracy-theory "documentary". It's creators make Michael Moore look like a paragon of honesty and openness.
I hate to break the news to you, but working PC repair I can tell you the average person's desktop is NOT a dual core, but a late model P4 running XP.
Yeah, I know, but this place isn't exactly for the "average person", and a PIII is pushing it anyway.
I mean, I don't run top-of-the-line hardware myself, by any means - I'm still on "Pentium Dual Cores" processors with DDR2. And my father and sister are using computers that I've given up on because they were too slow. But a PIII? Really???? I would expect better from a/. nerd:)
With the newer designs, yeah, that's how it works. Some of the older designs were a lot easier to detonate, though. The gun-type would be particularly easy to set off.
It's got nothing to do with group-think. Apparently some people have a persecution-complex, even though their views match the popular opinion. Not sure how that happens, but it seems to be quite common.
If it weren't for the geopolitical situation, what makes the 18th approval worthy of note?
WTF?
I mean, yeah, no, your argument makes perfect sense. I mean, this year was Superbowl 44, and I barely saw any news coverage at all on TV. After the first few, they stopped being newsworthy.
Why in the world would you assume that the article has anything to do with the geopolitical situation? This is like someone writing an article about the price of Viagra coming down, and you yelling "STOP TALKING ABOUT MY ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION!!!". Chill out.
The US/NATO forces in Afghanistan are invaders, so anyone that cooperates with them could be though of as a collaborator. So why should the world care if information about the identity of these 'collaborators' becomes public?
So let me get this straight.... you think anyone who cooperates with a multinational force fighting under the banner of the United Nations is a collaborator, and deserves to die?
Sorry, run that by me one more time?
Yes they might get killed, but with so many truly innocent people being killed, what makes them special?
If I have to explain to you why fighting to bring your nation out of the stone age is a good thing, worthy of praise and respect rather than torture and death.... well, I'd be wasting my breath, wouldn't I? In order to fail to understand the concept, you'd have to be either an amoral sociopath, or an immoral savage. I can try to explain it, if you like, but if you truly do not understand the issue already, I think you'd be better off talking to a psychiatrist.
You are far less likely to die of the flu if you get it, but it seems equally effective at preventing accidental death, and all cause mortality, which makes it seem that it is compliance effect (that people who are good about taking what the doc gave them live longer, even if it is a placebo).
Am I missing a joke here, or are you smoking crack?
Not healthy, dude, and Ketosis is not your friend. In the short term, ok, you're probably not going to kill yourself. In the long term, you're going to burn lean muscle, including some important ones like, oh, I don't know... the heart. And by "long term" I mean "you crossed the line 20 days ago". I suggest you stop. Being overweight may be bad for you, but starvation diets are far worse.
You have to accept that the body metabolizes carbohydrates and other calories in completely different ways. It's far from pseudoscience. It's a basic knowledge that we all already knew.
Um, no. Do yourself a favor and listen to the man. You're spitting out pseudo-scientific nonsense that's been fed to you by like-minded people who also have no clue what they're talking about. The only thing that matters as far as weight is concerned is calories in versus calories out.
*shrug* I would have no problem with that. I don't see why you should get a free diagnostic out of the deal. Hell, unless you have your own ODBC reader, most mechanics will charge you $50 just for a basic readout. I bought the code reader because it pays for itself in the long run, but I see nothing wrong with mechanics wanting to get paid for the work they do.
If I tell you that the brakes on your car are failing and it'll cost $300 to replace them, and you refuse to get the work done.... is it extortion when I go and tell other people that you're an idiot who is not only risking his own life, but also endangering others?
I know it's not a perfect analogy, but I really don't see why you'd consider one scenario to be extortion, and not the other.
What's truly incredible about all this research is that for decades now we've known that infants can form stories about what a person is doing by observing them - even though the infant is incapable of performing the same activities, has never participated in those activities, etc.
Yeah, but how accurate are those stories? After all, we know that the Cargo Cults formed stories about what the White Man was doing on their islands, and even attempted to imitate what they saw. Unfortunately their stories reflected their own culture, experiences, and beliefs, and only superficially resembled what they were observing. If what we're seeing in infants is the same, I don't see anything particularly incredible about it.
If you think a dog is sentient, then you must be as dumb as one.;-) Dogs are no smarter than a mouse, or turtle, or any other animal. They simply react to rote repetition. (Run a can opener - they salivate. Pavlovian response not intelligence.)
This raises the obvious question: is a person with a severe mental handicap sentient?
If your answer is yes, then the requirements for sentience which you've listed here are irrelevant, and you're operating off some other definition. If your answer is "no", then you're internally consistent, but I'm not sure I agree with your definition of sentience.
Also, it's worth pointing out that dogs have about the same level of intelligence as a human child early in it's developmental cycle. Is a 6 month old baby sentient? How about a 1 year old? 2 years? When exactly do we achieve sentience?
For one thing, options 1 is no worse than if you had just given up the info in the first place, for free, and option 3 is only slightly worse in the short term and possibly better in the long term (it might teach them to pay up next time).
For another, you're ignoring the 4th option: tell everyone who will listen that you've found a crack in the dam, and would LOVE to show the dam engineers how to fix the dam thing, only they won't give you the dam money that you worked dam hard for. Public pressure and negative publicity ought to get them to cough up the dough.
Sorry, but the problem being people being too credulous would cause a recursive witch-hunt into the history of mankind. The problem is not people being too credulous. The problem is people being manipulated and lied to.
FTFY;)
Or, you know, maybe it's a combination of the two factors, and I chose to emphasize the more important aspect. After all, if I were to say that the reason rape happens is because some men have no morals and are willing to use force to get what they want, you could say that I'm wrong. You could then go on to explain that the real reason it happens is because women are just too damn weak, and they like to wear skimpy clothes. And you'd be partly right, just like you were partly right in your earlier response to me. You'd also be a dick, and your observation would do little to help us work towards solving the problem.
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Exactly what part of "there has been no indication' that any Afghans who have collaborated with the NATO occupation have been harmed as a result of the leaks" are you having trouble with?
I don't know about him, but I'm having trouble with the "written August 16" part. Seeing as how that was roughly a month after the leak, and it's now 3 months later, it would be nice to see some up-to-date info on the situation.
The best way to get yourself dismissed by anyone with an IQ over 30 is to mention that piece of crap conspiracy-theory "documentary". It's creators make Michael Moore look like a paragon of honesty and openness.
I hate to break the news to you, but working PC repair I can tell you the average person's desktop is NOT a dual core, but a late model P4 running XP.
Yeah, I know, but this place isn't exactly for the "average person", and a PIII is pushing it anyway.
I mean, I don't run top-of-the-line hardware myself, by any means - I'm still on "Pentium Dual Cores" processors with DDR2. And my father and sister are using computers that I've given up on because they were too slow. But a PIII? Really???? I would expect better from a /. nerd :)
Except when you film them with a slow-motion camera!
I was surprised by that, too. Dual-Core is my high end, with a PIII on the low end.
Cool. So what's the weather like in Uganda, this time of year?
With the newer designs, yeah, that's how it works. Some of the older designs were a lot easier to detonate, though. The gun-type would be particularly easy to set off.
Guns rarely injure people while used properly.
Uh. I'm not sure what kind of guns you've been using, but if they're not injuring people you need to go ask for your money back.
It's got nothing to do with group-think. Apparently some people have a persecution-complex, even though their views match the popular opinion. Not sure how that happens, but it seems to be quite common.
Bragging? I thought he was lamenting.
So why should the world be forced to only sympathize with one party in the conflict?
I was right - you are a sociopath. We're done.
You think the phrase "you could be wrong" is food for thought?
Wow.
You must be starving.
If it weren't for the geopolitical situation, what makes the 18th approval worthy of note?
WTF?
I mean, yeah, no, your argument makes perfect sense. I mean, this year was Superbowl 44, and I barely saw any news coverage at all on TV. After the first few, they stopped being newsworthy.
Why in the world would you assume that the article has anything to do with the geopolitical situation? This is like someone writing an article about the price of Viagra coming down, and you yelling "STOP TALKING ABOUT MY ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION!!!". Chill out.
The US/NATO forces in Afghanistan are invaders, so anyone that cooperates with them could be though of as a collaborator. So why should the world care if information about the identity of these 'collaborators' becomes public?
So let me get this straight .... you think anyone who cooperates with a multinational force fighting under the banner of the United Nations is a collaborator, and deserves to die?
Sorry, run that by me one more time?
Yes they might get killed, but with so many truly innocent people being killed, what makes them special?
If I have to explain to you why fighting to bring your nation out of the stone age is a good thing, worthy of praise and respect rather than torture and death .... well, I'd be wasting my breath, wouldn't I? In order to fail to understand the concept, you'd have to be either an amoral sociopath, or an immoral savage. I can try to explain it, if you like, but if you truly do not understand the issue already, I think you'd be better off talking to a psychiatrist.
You are far less likely to die of the flu if you get it, but it seems equally effective at preventing accidental death, and all cause mortality, which makes it seem that it is compliance effect (that people who are good about taking what the doc gave them live longer, even if it is a placebo).
Am I missing a joke here, or are you smoking crack?
Not healthy, dude, and Ketosis is not your friend. In the short term, ok, you're probably not going to kill yourself. In the long term, you're going to burn lean muscle, including some important ones like, oh, I don't know ... the heart. And by "long term" I mean "you crossed the line 20 days ago". I suggest you stop. Being overweight may be bad for you, but starvation diets are far worse.
You have to accept that the body metabolizes carbohydrates and other calories in completely different ways. It's far from pseudoscience. It's a basic knowledge that we all already knew.
Um, no. Do yourself a favor and listen to the man. You're spitting out pseudo-scientific nonsense that's been fed to you by like-minded people who also have no clue what they're talking about. The only thing that matters as far as weight is concerned is calories in versus calories out.
Hey, you'll get no disagreement there - if you want to drive your corporation into the ground, that's your call. You're still a fucking idiot, though.
*shrug* I would have no problem with that. I don't see why you should get a free diagnostic out of the deal. Hell, unless you have your own ODBC reader, most mechanics will charge you $50 just for a basic readout. I bought the code reader because it pays for itself in the long run, but I see nothing wrong with mechanics wanting to get paid for the work they do.
If I tell you that the brakes on your car are failing and it'll cost $300 to replace them, and you refuse to get the work done .... is it extortion when I go and tell other people that you're an idiot who is not only risking his own life, but also endangering others?
I know it's not a perfect analogy, but I really don't see why you'd consider one scenario to be extortion, and not the other.
What's truly incredible about all this research is that for decades now we've known that infants can form stories about what a person is doing by observing them - even though the infant is incapable of performing the same activities, has never participated in those activities, etc.
Yeah, but how accurate are those stories? After all, we know that the Cargo Cults formed stories about what the White Man was doing on their islands, and even attempted to imitate what they saw. Unfortunately their stories reflected their own culture, experiences, and beliefs, and only superficially resembled what they were observing. If what we're seeing in infants is the same, I don't see anything particularly incredible about it.
If you think a dog is sentient, then you must be as dumb as one. ;-) Dogs are no smarter than a mouse, or turtle, or any other animal. They simply react to rote repetition. (Run a can opener - they salivate. Pavlovian response not intelligence.)
This raises the obvious question: is a person with a severe mental handicap sentient?
If your answer is yes, then the requirements for sentience which you've listed here are irrelevant, and you're operating off some other definition. If your answer is "no", then you're internally consistent, but I'm not sure I agree with your definition of sentience.
Also, it's worth pointing out that dogs have about the same level of intelligence as a human child early in it's developmental cycle. Is a 6 month old baby sentient? How about a 1 year old? 2 years? When exactly do we achieve sentience?
That's kinda dumb.
For one thing, options 1 is no worse than if you had just given up the info in the first place, for free, and option 3 is only slightly worse in the short term and possibly better in the long term (it might teach them to pay up next time).
For another, you're ignoring the 4th option: tell everyone who will listen that you've found a crack in the dam, and would LOVE to show the dam engineers how to fix the dam thing, only they won't give you the dam money that you worked dam hard for. Public pressure and negative publicity ought to get them to cough up the dough.
TANSTAAFH?
I dunno, it just doesn't have the same ring to it ...
Sorry, but the problem being people being too credulous would cause a recursive witch-hunt into the history of mankind. The problem is not people being too credulous. The problem is people being manipulated and lied to.
FTFY ;)
Or, you know, maybe it's a combination of the two factors, and I chose to emphasize the more important aspect. After all, if I were to say that the reason rape happens is because some men have no morals and are willing to use force to get what they want, you could say that I'm wrong. You could then go on to explain that the real reason it happens is because women are just too damn weak, and they like to wear skimpy clothes. And you'd be partly right, just like you were partly right in your earlier response to me. You'd also be a dick, and your observation would do little to help us work towards solving the problem.