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Tablets Are Game-Changers For Special Needs Kids

theodp writes "The rise of mainstream tablets is proving to have unforeseen benefits for children with speech and communication problems and may disrupt a business where specialized devices can cost thousands of dollars. iPad apps like Proloquo2Go ($189) aim to help individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), cerebral palsy, down syndrome, developmental disabilities, ALS, traumatic brain injury, aphasia, apraxia, and more. Even Steve Jobs didn't see this one coming: 'We take no credit for this, and that's not our intention,' said Jobs, who's been touched by email he gets from parents of special needs kids for whom the iPad is proving to be a life-changer. 'Our intention is to say something is going on here,' Jobs added, suggesting that researchers should 'take a look at this.' Even though they might cost significantly less than dedicated devices, SUNY speech pathologist Andrea Abramovich explained Medicare doesn't cover consumer tablets because they could be used for non-medical purposes."

174 comments

  1. Icrap is kid friendly by alen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I have a 3 year old who knows half the alphabet, can count to 10 and knows all the basic shapes. We have 3 iPhones in the house and there are hundreds of educational apps in the app store

    1. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be nice if they'd allow in one to help people learn to program. As far as I know Alan Kay/MIT's Scratch app is still rejected.

    2. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a 3 year old who knows half the alphabet, can count to 10

      That's all they'll need for 133tspeak.

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    3. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could turn out ugly, if all those patents were revoked after a few years as people start to mature. No can do!

    4. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Bragging about how smart your kid is in public - does it ever get old?

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    5. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You may want to get rid of your iPhones then, because your child should already know all the alphabet.

    6. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Bragging? I thought he was lamenting.

    7. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Take a look at Google's App Inventor for Android (for now). It was heavily influenced by projects like Scratch. It's not an app as such, the kid/toddler will still need a PC to "program" with, and it doesn't have an emulator (you must have an Android phone connected to your computer, or connected to the internet, if you want to be able to test your programs, although you can still write one without one), but any changes the kid does to the visual lego-like structure on the screen of his PC will immediately reflect itself into the program logic and display on the phone, which makes it an absolutely fantastic programming environment to work in!

      As a developer, I would love to able to use that tool to do fast prototypes, and then have access to the code, so I can further customize it. Unfortunately, it was written in Scheme (LISP), they don't want to give us access to the actual written code (only the visual one, that's what's considered the source), and its developers don't seem to be at all interested in changing the scope of their project -- they are really only interested in targeting kids/teenagers with it.

    8. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 1

      Are you saying your three year old is about as smart as 95% of the american public? Way to go!

      (jeez chill off it's a joke!)

    9. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by johnlcallaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My kids could do that too when they were about that age.

      20 years ago. Because they had parents that read to them every night and interacted with them.

      If someone is saying the only reason their kids know these things is because of iPhones, iPads, or educational apps, I feel very sorry for them....

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    10. Re:Icrap is kid friendly by Sinistar2k · · Score: 1

      I have a son about to turn 2 who knows all that stuff sans iPad/iPhone. He also sings songs, can identify Chewbacca, and comes running like a madman when I whistle the theme from "Shaun the Sheep".

      Then there's my other son who is 8 who has cerebral palsy and for years used a medically approved $8000 computer as a communication device. When it crapped out, I decided a netbook would be just fine. Total cost: $350.

      We've looked at an iPad for him and might eventually go for one, but his netbook is working well at the moment.

  2. Ha your great medicare by JonySuede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Medicare doesn't cover consumer tablets because they could be used for non-medical purposes

    Some part of the medical community have this mentality that under no circumstance should a medical treatment be enjoyable even if it cost less or it is more effective...

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    1. Re:Ha your great medicare by Lazareth · · Score: 1

      And god forbid if you should get more out of the treatment than the treatment itself! Not unless they can charge you for it, of course.

    2. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not the medical community. It's the bureaucratic community combined with the community that gets its panties in a bunch out of government money being "wasted" with spending on things people may not need. So they force untold billions to be spent on documentation and purpose-built equipment rather than more effective solutions. All while complaining about government waste and inefficiency.

      The medical community would be fine with doing the smart thing, but when so many people want to have their input, well...stuff like this happens.

      It's a collective insanity.

      Which would piss off that group I mentioned earlier, because they get all upset about what they call socialist language.

      True story. I once had one go off on me because I said I liked the Marx Brothers.

      Just didn't believe me when I told them I was talking about the comedy group.

    3. Re:Ha your great medicare by aliquis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Need hearing aid? Here you go.
      Need glasses? I don't give a shit!

    4. Re:Ha your great medicare by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      It's not the medical community. It's the bureaucratic community combined with the community that gets its panties in a bunch out of government money being "wasted" with spending on things people may not need. So they force untold billions to be spent on documentation and purpose-built equipment rather than more effective solutions. All while complaining about government waste and inefficiency.

      So totally this. Yet another case of perfect being the enemy of good.

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    5. Re:Ha your great medicare by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1

      But it' amazing how those same people don't have a problem with Medicare paying for those scooters you see all those obese people tooling around on.

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    6. Re:Ha your great medicare by PPH · · Score: 1

      Medicare doesn't cover consumer tablets because they could be used for non-medical purposes

      So, if I find a non-medical use for, say, a wheelchair, Medicare will stop subsidizing their purchase. I know at least one. And its Rule 34 compliant, so the fundy wing nuts should get their panties (probably their wives, secretly worn) in a bunch.

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    7. Re:Ha your great medicare by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So totally this. Yet another case of perfect being the enemy of good.

      While I'm hardly a fan of the Medicare regulatory dungeon^Hframework, I think it would be appropriate to give these guys a bit of break. The iPad really just showed up on the market a year? or two ago (time flies when you're having fun) and the applications and more importantly, the usefulness of the applications is just getting some attention.

      I would not expect CMMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Security, Medicare's daddy) to rush in and say "OK Ipads are fine, everybody go get one....". I would hope that they would take notice, maybe fund a study to see if they did do everything they are touted to do, that they last long enough to be useful and maybe address the issue of using a medical product to view YouTube or the like.

      So, keeping up the pressure is fine but lets not drip hate and vitriol on everything. Just yet. (Sorry for all the parentheses).

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    8. Re:Ha your great medicare by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, but let me add that there is an overlap between the medical community and the bureaucratic community !

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    9. Re:Ha your great medicare by codegen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that this is not new. There have been many cases recently where custom software on a regular computer would make a world of difference and it is turned down in favour of a much more expensive custom hardware solution because the regular computer can be used for non-medicinal purposes. The inability to recognize the iPad as a fundable solution is just the latest in a sequence of such bureaucratic blindness.

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    10. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Medicaid and Medicare are NOT the same thing REMOTELY. Do not confuse the two and PLEASE explain what you are referring to.

      Medicare: For elderly people in retirement on Social Security Fixed Income. This is what you hear about in AARP ads and stuff.
      Medicaid: Medical Insurance for those that cannot afford it, Medicaid can be for children, or adults. This is what Conservatives want to kill.

      Easy way to remember: We take care of the elderly and give aid to the poor.

    11. Re:Ha your great medicare by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The big problem, and it's a legit problem really, though I think it's being blown out of proportion, is that these devices are basically generally purpose computers that can do anything. Unlike a purpose built device that can really only do what it's supposed to do, there's nothing stopping you from saying you want to buy an iPad to help out your developmentally disabled child then actually using it for nothing except surfing porn.

      Before they could approve it, Medicare would have to some up with some reasonable way to ensure that the device is being used to do what the government purchased it to do. Now where it gets stupid is people who will undoubtedly say that it should be used *only* for what the government purchased it to do. I personally don't see anything wrong, assuming the device is primarily being used for its stated purpose, with using for other stuff sometimes too. I'm also quite certain that many people would scream about that being "wasteful spending".

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    12. Re:Ha your great medicare by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Before they could approve it, Medicare would have to some up with some reasonable way to ensure that the device is being used to do what the government purchased it to do.

      No. You totally missed the point. The problem is that the cost of this "ensurance" is too high to be practical. Something like an ipad is ~$400. But a medicare approved ipad is going to be ~$4000 (just look at hearing aids for an example - components not all that different from a blutooth headset but 10x-50x the cost). The answer is to eat the waste of misuse for low cost items because the cost of ensuring that there is no waste is higher than the waste itself.

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    13. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Medicare can be for people that are not old, but are disabled and receiving disability SSI. So it is not cut and dry for Medicare either.

    14. Re:Ha your great medicare by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The Marx brothers' humor does not translate well to the modern day. It's just not funny any more, and it hasn't been for a long time. It was one of those "you had to be there" times. I smell the hint of bullshit on the Marx brothers comment. Are you this guy?

      And let me get your story straight - the group that's against more government is FOR more bureaucracy and inefficiency? How's that?

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    15. Re:Ha your great medicare by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The problem is that this is not new. There have been many cases recently where custom software on a regular computer would make a world of difference and it is turned down in favour of a much more expensive custom hardware solution because the regular computer can be used for non-medicinal purposes

      No issue with that statement, but (and Christ, it's Saturday and I'm defending Medicare) these rules are a complex interplay of vendor greed, legal blather, unintended consequences, politics and money. Can you imagine the political hay some random congresscritter is going to make if they find out that our precious tax dollars are going to fund for ... iPads? (Yes, I'm sure the federal government is buying iPads for something). It is a much harder decision than it might seem. Personally, I think that insurance ought to pay for the software - this being the hard part now, and have the patient pay for the iPad out of pocket. Open up the Pandora's box of medical insurance paying for COTS computers and you'll likely find that lots of ugly things fly out.

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    16. Re:Ha your great medicare by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Just thought of a way out here. Apple makes a slightly modified version for health care, call it, maybe the 'pPad'. Nobody would want one of those.

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    17. Re:Ha your great medicare by hydromike2 · · Score: 1

      ipad = 6 months barely, I agree with coldwetdog while still sharing the sentiments of JonySuede.

    18. Re:Ha your great medicare by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The surface problem that the bureaucracy faces is the obvious opportunity for widespread fraud. Want an iPad? Get a cooperative doctor to fraudulently document a learning disablility, and bingo! the gov't pays for your new toy.

      The deeper problem is that the gov't takes the money in the first place. Have you any idea how rich the average person would be if everyone who got money acquired it through productive work? An appropriate tablet computer and associated software would cost less than a day's wages.

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    19. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, the organization is Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the acronym is CMS, despite there being two M-words in the full name.

    20. Re:Ha your great medicare by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the political hay some random congresscritter is going to make if they find out that our precious tax dollars are going to fund for ... iPads?

      I remember Limbaugh going off on a plan to provide homeless people with answering machines a while ago.

      Think about that for a minute.

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    21. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Custom software and off-the shelf computer vs dedicated bundled solution.
      How fast is someone going to get slammed with the latest virus while surfing Facebook on their dedicated bundled solution?
      Who would be responsible for fixing that when it comes up?

    22. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you live???

        Here in that great bastion of socialized medicine, Canada, Hearing aids, glasses, and dental care are all considered non-essential "extras".

    23. Re:Ha your great medicare by supercrisp · · Score: 1

      Anyone know the status of Medicare/insurance payments for those Wii balance boards or Wii fit or whatever that turned out to be as good as or better than the specialized medical thingummies that cost a mint? I haven't heard about that in some time....

    24. Re:Ha your great medicare by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Around here our unemployment insurance fraud rate is about 1 or 2%, but the amount of time and energy that the employment security department spends on it is, well it's way more than 1 or 2% of the total budget. While it's not quite apples to oranges there, one has to question the wisdom of humiliating and abusing the whole group over what is essentially a non-issue.

      Not to mention the fact that the rules have become some convoluted and counter intuitive that it's very hard to avoid getting accused of fraud without really selling yourself short. And good luck getting meaningful help, especially with disabilities, as the state doesn't think that the ADA applies to it.

      But as for the matter at hand, it's great to see general use hardware being used for a group that clearly needs more help.

    25. Re:Ha your great medicare by Nerdfest · · Score: 0, Troll

      generally purpose computers that can do anything.

      Unless you jailbreak it, you can currently only do what Apple says you can do. I'm hoping that eventually changes.

    26. Re:Ha your great medicare by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking of that. Perhaps put in some interface tweaks that are legitimately aimed at making it more useful to that segment, and perhaps license some of the software apps for inclusion. Seems like there'd be no real losers involved. Apple makes more money and there's a cost savings over the current solutions.

      Plus Apple is really good at crippling their products for things they don't intend it to be used for.

    27. Re:Ha your great medicare by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, the last time I watched the Marx Brothers it was just as funny as when I was a kid, and while I wasn't there at the time, I'm willing to bet that it was just as funny as it was a half century earlier.

      Second off, the the Republicans are indeed for more bureaucratic inefficiency. It's what allows them to rail against the government election after election. Were there to be actual change and efficiency gains they'd have to come up with a new strategy. It's something they figured out during the Regan administration and had to wait for Clinton to be elected to put into play.

      There's nothing inconsistent about it, it's a matter of self interest. While it's terrible for the country, it's been a really long time since the Republicans were making any meaningful effort to improve things for anybody else. Ever notice how there's no money for education or the VA, but always plenty of money to start another war?

    28. Re:Ha your great medicare by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      And, most importantly, the case must be colored it in that nausea inducing, medical-grade light beige. And, preferably, the desktop background image, too.

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    29. Re:Ha your great medicare by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you had a 50% fraud rate, you'd still save money. That's what matters from a government standpoint. Preventing fraud is nice, but saving money and getting the job done should be the top priorities.

    30. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Marx brothers' humor does not translate well to the modern day.

      Well, some of it is indeed based on references that have faded, but there's plenty of bits that are still quite hilarious. Besides it came out of a discussion on politics, and don't tell me Freedonia isn't still relevant.

      And let me get your story straight - the group that's against more government is FOR more bureaucracy and inefficiency? How's that?

      Besides the already mentioned value of being able to complain about a problem to stir up interest over actually fixing it, there's just the plain and simple fact that people don't realize how much effort they put into "solving" their problem, to the point where it takes more work to deal with their fix than it does to not even bother. I'm sure there's some clearer way to explain it that's just not coming to me right at the moment, since it's common enough to be one of the eponymous laws (like Murphy's or Godwin's), but I can't think of it beyond the Law of Unintended Consequences, and even that's not quite on the point.

    31. Re:Ha your great medicare by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 1

      Because they would get the most upset by potential 'misuse' of their tax money. You have a group that gets VERY upset by the idea of unemployment fraud. That mentality of "make unemployment hard to defraud" is what puts in more bureaucracy and inefficiency.

    32. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperbole much? You make it sound like you're given a very short list of what is allowed, with a security guard staring over your shoulder the whole time and waiting to take the device away.

    33. Re:Ha your great medicare by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to defend the medical community, but this isn't as ridiculous as it sounds, if you know the ropes. Every few years, I have to buy a new wheelchair, and even then I need either a prescription or a letter of medical necessity. Insurance companies are pretty hardcore about not paying for things unless you can show you absolutely need them. (I've often wished that just sending a picture of myself in the wheelchair was enough, but alas, no.)

      As was noted in the article, the iPad isn't a great fit for a lot of handicapped people. If someone is using a machine that measures eye movement to communicate, they're not at the level where an iPad is going to help them. You need at least a little eye movement. And the iPad is fragile compared to other devices. So it's by no means a device that's going to replace people's needs for $7000 machines.

      Having said all that, it's great to see the iPad being helpful to people with these kinds of disabilities. I'm not a big fan of the iPad in general, but there's no downside here.

    34. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, it seems like a common viewpoint that stopping a hundred tax dollars lost to fraud is worth spending ten thousand tax dollars in increased costs - can't let those leeches have something for free!

    35. Re:Ha your great medicare by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      funny thing is, if medicare did in fact cover these purchases people would be bitching up and down about 'the gummint handing out free ipads'.

      you just can't win.

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    36. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you any idea how rich the average person would be if everyone who got money acquired it through productive work?

      Totally broke, due to the complete lack of worker protections. See: the early 1900s in the US.

      Taxes are less than half of your income (much less than half for mos people). They do make a difference, but if everyone were not paying taxes (even assuming the government's services continued functioning for the sake of argument), no one would be all that much richer.

    37. Re:Ha your great medicare by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Sweden.

      People with hearing issues get help, people with seeing issues don't.

      Dental care is always up for the discussion but it's not free. There is some limits for how much it's allowed to cost though.

      Regular medical care though is 900 SEK / year at most. Unless you're old and need to live in a home with people around because then you have to pay for the service as long as you can afford it.

      I think the price for receipt drugs is 1800 sek at most, with half the price and then less and less beyond 900. Or something such.

      Personally I think more of the "well-fare" stuff should be guarantees for everyone and not depending on need. Because as long as they are based on need you always give benefits to people who don't take responsibility for their own economy and lives. Sure you can argue whatever people should pay taxes to pay for things someone could afford themselves. But the reality is that the people who can pay for themselves have most likely contributed more than the people who can't. So why not? In general our taxes pay for the wrong things, people should get more benefits themselves for what they "save" for the future so to speak.

      Also I read that our 50 biggest companies where all started before 1970, and how many of them where started with help from some local individual with money willing to risk it to help someone lift of with their ideas. But these days the system fights against accumulation of money, but who's going to do that then? Or start smaller companies if it's to much paper work and small profit? How likely is it that the government would support the start up of our next SKF, H&M, Atlas-Copco, Volvo, ... ?

      Haven't we benefited from the rich guy who helped start up SKF? A company which has been around for over 100 years? How many jobs and economical growth haven't that given to our society? What good would the money had been used for if they had been stolen as taxes?

      Currently our immigration is supposed to cost around 70 (us) billion SEK / year, I think we where going to raise our economical support to organizations/poorer companies by an additional 4 billion SEK now (we're one of few countries above the goal set for EU), currently they are talking about if we're going to offer free medical aid for anyone lacking papers like if that won't be abused, and I assume we let plenty of people in on the same ground because we can't check them up. The pension system is only funded (?) up for 15% if I remember right, the other 85% of 23-26(?)% of your salary goes to pay for the people who are old now. Even though people would have had much more money if they saved for themselves / they would only had needed to save much less.

    38. Re:Ha your great medicare by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I think that if the government handed them out to the right people, there wouldn't be a lot to bitch about. The trouble is, the minute the government started such a program, bottom-feeders would come out of the woodwork trying to scam the government for their free (and unnecessary) iPads.

    39. Re:Ha your great medicare by jc42 · · Score: 1

      And god forbid if you should get more out of the treatment than the treatment itself! Not unless they can charge you for it, of course.

      Don't worry; even if the Medicare crowd wises up on this, it won't matter. By then, the Net Neutrality issue will be settled in the wireless carriers' favor, and they'll be free to make universal their general practice of blocking everything unless you've paid an extra fee for it. So yes, the iPad will still be able to access youtube, but there'll be a paywall inserted by the phone carrier before it will actually work on your iPad.

      This should satisfy both the phone companies and the medicare folks. And it'll end all that silliness about helping out "special needs" kids. It'll be expensive enough that only such kids with wealthy parents will be able to afford it. Medicare might even be able to make a special deal with the phone companies, guaranteeing that the price will be especially high for those kids. It's a medical problem, y'know, so every entertainment video and game will have to be tested for a decade at a cost of millions of dollars to ensure that it's Safe and Effective, before it can be allowed into the hands of special-needs kids, and the phone companies will have to be compensated for that extra expense.

      (I hope I'm just joking ... ;-)

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    40. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      indeed, more attention here please.

    41. Re:Ha your great medicare by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's not necessarily blindness. You're missing the level of lobbying by the makers of these custom hardwares. They're the ones that take a 20 cent LCD display and a chip you find in any generic calculator and tell them it costs $10,000. The profit (1000%) pays for the lobbyists.

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    42. Re:Ha your great medicare by proudhawk · · Score: 1

      hmmmm.
      its a little more involved than that. I use a mac here and had instant accessibility from the OS without having to spend an$1,000 (hello freedom scientific!). In fact, any devices for the disabled (no matter the disability) can cost anywhere from 4 to 100 times what the standard consumer electronic equivalent can (like a $400.00 microwave that talks when the same unit that doesn't costs less than $80 at your local wal*mart). That $200.00 PDA can cost the blind person about $1,200 with the modifications made to a standard PDA (about $20.00 in parts and a few changes in the onboard software).
      The above is primarily why the disabled are seeing benefits (even if unintended) from devices like the iPad and other display devices (at substantially lower costs). The above is also why most state governments go broke trying to help their disabled clients.
      I happen to be blind. I paid just under $1,000 for my mac. what I would have spent on a comparable windows machine? $1,000 for the computer, $250 for the windows OS, $1,000 for the text to speech software (windoweyes or jaws). frankly, my mac is a better deal. now i I can find a braille display that won't cost me a years worth of my fixed income in one shot ($6,000)!.

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    43. Re:Ha your great medicare by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      You mean specific purpose computers that are environment hardened to withstand the abuse that a young child can render carrying it around day in and day out?? I've been around kids and young adults with communicator devices, and there is no way an iPad would stand up to the abuse these folks give their communicators. One of the young adults had bruises on her hips from dancing with her communicator around her neck.

      It's a 'nice thought' handing out iPads. Now go check out the prices for hardened tablets and get back to me on what the real costs would be for a general purpose device that performs as well as the special purpose devices you rail against.

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    44. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's just read that again:
      There have been many cases recently where custom software on a regular computer would make a world of difference and it is turned down in favour of a much more expensive custom hardware solution because the regular computer can be used for non-medicinal purposes.

      one more time:

      There have been many cases recently where custom software on a regular computer would make a world of difference and it is turned down in favour of a much more expensive custom hardware solution because the regular computer can be used for non-medicinal purposes.

      Okay I'm sure it true but it just doesn't make sense. Shouldn't that read:

      There have been many cases recently where custom software solutions on regular computers have made a world of difference and have naturally won over much more expensive custom hardware solutions and are an even more attractive option because a regular computer can also be used for non-medicinal purposes.

      I mean seriously. Shouldn't they be pleased that by funding people in need they can shoot several birds with one stone? It's like not giving someone in a wheelchair an operation because it would enable them to dance as well as go back to work.

      Aargh.

    45. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the medical community. It's the bureaucratic community combined with the community that gets its panties in a bunch out of government money being "wasted" with spending on things people may not need. So they force untold billions to be spent on documentation and purpose-built equipment rather than more effective solutions. All while complaining about government waste and inefficiency.

      The medical community would be fine with doing the smart thing, but when so many people want to have their input, well...stuff like this happens.

      It's a collective insanity.

      Which would piss off that group I mentioned earlier, because they get all upset about what they call socialist language.

      True story. I once had one go off on me because I said I liked the Marx Brothers.

      Just didn't believe me when I told them I was talking about the comedy group.

      And the problem with the assistive devices for all covered under medical insurance isn't just the coverage. But then finding the individuals who can teach and train others to use them. The Ipad is pretty self explanatory and user friendly. The parents that live in tembucktoo can manage it on their own, or find a tech guru high schooler who can assist them. Medically communities and washington politics need to figure that out and back the REAL people not the medical community but the "verydayfolks" who are living and working with special needs kids struggling to make a difference and do it NOW~

    46. Re:Ha your great medicare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So totally this. Yet another case of perfect being the enemy of good.

      While I'm hardly a fan of the Medicare regulatory dungeon^Hframework, I think it would be appropriate to give these guys a bit of break. The iPad really just showed up on the market a year? or two ago (time flies when you're having fun) and the applications and more importantly, the usefulness of the applications is just getting some attention.

      I would not expect CMMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Security, Medicare's daddy) to rush in and say "OK Ipads are fine, everybody go get one....". I would hope that they would take notice, maybe fund a study to see if they did do everything they are touted to do, that they last long enough to be useful and maybe address the issue of using a medical product to view YouTube or the like.

      So, keeping up the pressure is fine but lets not drip hate and vitriol on everything. Just yet. (Sorry for all the parentheses).

      the apps and Ipad are too new for studies. Just go and ask or watch a child use one that is study enough. Look into the face of a child who has not been able to communicate and is frustrated who is 5 or 6 years old. Or older in some cases. the Ipad and Proloquo2go are making changes for kids now... We in the special ed field need to fight for these kids and do it now.. Our whole system for healthcare and medical insurance support is so "jacked" up that we can't wait till they figure it out and will pay.. that is why families are so thrilled to have these lower cost alternative to just go out and purchase and start to communicating with their children.

    47. Re:Ha your great medicare by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      We have that in my area and as ridiculous as it sounds on the face of it, it is actually a great idea and a wonderful service.

      Have you ever been truly poor, maybe homeless? Believe it or not, that can happen to perfectly good people who run into the wrong circumstances, or have a string of bad luck.

      It's easy enough to say, "Look at the bum... he should get a job!"... but try to get a job if you don't even have a telephone. How are you going to do that?

      This service gives homeless people a message number that other people can call, and that they can check on periodically. So, if they apply for a job for example, the prospective employer has some way to contact them!

      In my state, you can't even get food stamps without a telephone number. It's almost impossible. It's the way the system is designed (badly, but that's the way it is). This very low-cost service gives homeless and poor people a tool that is not just valuable but necessary for getting back to being a productive member of society.

    48. Re:Ha your great medicare by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      GD bureaucratic horseshit. Guess what, Medicare? Pain medication can be used for non-medical purposes too. Are you going to cut funding for those?

      It's bureaucratic BS like this that really chaps my ass.

    49. Re:Ha your great medicare by fishexe · · Score: 1

      True story. I once had one go off on me because I said I liked the Marx Brothers.

      Just didn't believe me when I told them I was talking about the comedy group.

      It's a common mistake. So many American liberals are big fans of Karl Marx and his brother Johann, it's hard to tell what you mean by "the Marx brothers" these days.

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    50. Re:Ha your great medicare by fishexe · · Score: 1

      And let me get your story straight - the group that's against more government is FOR more bureaucracy and inefficiency? How's that?

      Simple. They can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to evaluate which policy proposals lead to more bureaucracy and which lead to bureaucracy in the real world. They're stuck in a right-wing fantasyland where chanting "law and order, tough on crime" 100 times causes criminals to stop being criminals and where cutting taxes always increases government revenue and reduces deficits. For them, claiming that a measure is anti-bureaucracy makes it so, facts be damned.

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    51. Re:Ha your great medicare by jc42 · · Score: 1

      True story. I once had one go off on me because I said I liked the Marx Brothers.

      You should get a copy of the "Sure, I'm a Marxist!" t-shirt. They're right there, Chico, Groucho, Harpo and Karl. I'd bet you'd get a lot of attacks from so-called "conservative" political types if you wore that one.

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      Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
    52. Re:Ha your great medicare by Sinistar2k · · Score: 1

      I see the problem a bit differently.

      The problem is that the market for assistive devices is so used to insurance paying for everything that they've clung to 100% custom solutions that, while operational, don't have to play by any rules of competition or scale.

      My son had an $8K system for a while that was based off a Transmeta processor and had a touch screen, built-in CD-ROM, telephone interface, and IR remote. It was also 10 pounds. Baked into the price was about $1200 in software that allowed for the building of pages consisting of graphics tiles that could be read aloud via speech synthesis. Yep, $1200 for the modern equivalent of HyperCard.

      There is nothing stopping a person from grabbing an iPad and loading it with the accessibility apps that are pertinent to them (including an app for a tile based speech system - it's already there in the app store). $500 for the iPad. $30 max for the accessibility software. Of course, that will all be an out of pocket expense, but a person will have the cheaper solution instantly rather than go through half a year of Medicare/Medicaid approvals.

      One downside of the iPad, though, is that it isn't as compatible with the classroom as a Windows netbook. My son's school loads their software onto his netbook so he can interface with it via touchscreen. That's not possible with the iPad.

    53. Re:Ha your great medicare by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is with insurance and payment. If a device is clearly single-purpose (or at least dedicated-purpose), then it can be covered under insurance and/or deducted from income before taxes. If it is general purpose, the assumption is that people will game the system by lying about it being used for the special purpose just so they can get the coverage and/or deduction. That's why medical insurance doesn't cover "over the counter" things like aspirin, even if prescribed by a doctor for X-ray-visible arthritis, because aspirin is so commonly used for other ailments too.

    54. Re:Ha your great medicare by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      1a. Special purpose equipment is more expensive because it's special purpose, and because there's a fixed market for it with fixed rules.
      1b. "Ruggedized" equipment is more expensive. I know someone who dropped and broke an iPad already. If you're planning on having this used by people with muscle control problems, it had better survive hard use, even if it's cheap enough to replace.

      2. Consider the timeline - you're looking backward. Inexpensive headsets can exist because the research already went into hearing aids. I'll agree with you as far as questioning why improvements don't loop back faster . . . though if my bluetooth headset dies, I can wait until later to charge it and can afford to replace it if necessary, whereas if a hearing aid dies the user may be significantly handicapped until it's fixed.

    55. Re:Ha your great medicare by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, this isn't from a Marx Brothers movie, and is only attributed to Groucho (i.e. it may have been said by someone else originally).

      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

      Do you actually not find that funny?

  3. Well, good riddance by Lazareth · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Another strike against the so-called "specialist sector" marketing cheap specialized devices at high prices.
    As the general accessibility of multipurpose devices increases, the less we have to rely on niche markets with artificially high prices.

    I think it is a really good thing that people are able to utilize new consumer products in this way. Personally I don't like the tablet much, but it is nice to see it used like this.

    1. Re:Well, good riddance by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say strike, more like more evidence that times are changing. Now that general use products are powerful enough to be adapted to these tasks, the developers will likely start to shift to the software aspect of it. But it wasn't that long ago that you needed the specialization to get it to work at all.

    2. Re:Well, good riddance by Lazareth · · Score: 1

      What interval of time are you talking about? We've seen quite a few examples of how consumer-grade products can be adapted easily to substitute "specialist" hardware that is sold at high expense despite low production costs. The problem with todays specialist equipment is the bureaucracy surrounding it, that halts this kind of stuff from being utilized.

    3. Re:Well, good riddance by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to point out that the iPad isn't designed for this special case use. They're thin and relatively fragile. For someone with poor motor skills, that's not going to be a great fit. They need to be ruggedized to really work well in that niche.

  4. App for everything? by asnelt · · Score: 1

    So there is an app for everything? The long list of diseases in the summary did sound like a joke.

    1. Re:App for everything? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Super mario bros can be enjoyed by everyone!

  5. Unforeseen Uses by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are always unforeseen uses of tools, devices and technology. Humans have a natural tendency to find ways to use things that the inventors couldn't imagine. Advanced tool use as 'cavemen' is how we got to where we are today. Not every clever re-purposing of an object requires McGyverism.

    1. Re:Unforeseen Uses by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      Wait until someone uses it to pirate a movie. They won't know how fast to make that unforeseen use impossible.

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  6. The OLPC Tablet ROCKS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The new OLPC Tablet will be market changing! It will be everything for everyone and slice bread too! Forget about the iPad or whatever MicroSloth shits out! This thing will be a Socialist panacea for under $100! And Open Source too!

  7. Ho boy by paimin · · Score: 1, Insightful

    iPads are good for "special" kids? This is gonna be a giant troll circle jerk. Okay trolls, let's see who can shoot the furthest.

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    1. Re:Ho boy by monkyyy · · Score: 0, Troll

      i wonder how good ipads r for non-"special" kids

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  8. Re:iPad - exciting new product for retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One can see how Steve Jobs don't want to admit this was the idea the whole time...

    - It wasn't designed for the hordes of mentally challanged people!

  9. Re:Go Fuck Yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Says the person who posts using a handle rather than their real name.

  10. Been waiting for this by deathguppie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife is a speech language pathologist. We have talked about working on projects like this but haven't gotten around to it. I offered to help in an FOSS project that would have done something like this but ended up going nowhere. The only bad thing about this is that the company that produced this app will likely not be interested in making this app available for the cheaper android based tablets, and $200 is still a lot of money for todays middle class. The android tablets would inevitably make this more available to families without the money for an Ipad, but the whole package is still going to run more expensive than a lot of people will be able to afford.

    But if anyone is interested in doing the programming I'm still up for doing the artwork, if there is enough love in the community to produce an app like this for free

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    1. Re:Been waiting for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only bad thing about this is that the company that produced this app will likely not be interested in making this app available for the cheaper android based tablets

      Which ones are those?

    2. Re:Been waiting for this by jelizondo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Darn! I lost the moderation I've done to reply

      Anyway, I've been playing around with Android looking for a project, I don't want to waste my time doing the upteenth "fart" app; so I something comes up about your idea, I'm game to do the programming for free.

      Cheers

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      Be very, very careful what you put into that head, because you will never, ever get it out. - Cardinal Wolsey
    3. Re:Been waiting for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where are these cheaper Android tablets? The Galaxy tab was just releases in Russia (first place to get it) for $1200. No one else is even on the radar.

    4. Re:Been waiting for this by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Well PCs can run android, so get an ASUS Eee PC T101MT or something ...

    5. Re:Been waiting for this by ksandom · · Score: 1
      That's a really good point. If the health costs could cover the production of the software, rather than the specific hardware, then this would get around the

      non-medical purposes

      issue since it's very specific. Potentially the company making the software could strike a deal with the people providing the funding to split the difference (or what ever) and make it work on all sorts of things.

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    6. Re:Been waiting for this by mooseronovich · · Score: 1

      I am a special educator that has created hundreds of activities that would be extremely beneficial when created on a tablet and would love to offer them for free - how can I contact you?

    7. Re:Been waiting for this by wesgray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly which "cheaper" Android tablet is available ?

    8. Re:Been waiting for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, I want one of those, but I think the hardware needs another generation or two before it's ready.

    9. Re:Been waiting for this by deathguppie · · Score: 2

      The touch screen input is actually specific to this application. Many of these types of special education needs people have developmental and or motor/speech which means that touching the icons directly is almost absolutely necessary.

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    10. Re:Been waiting for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, that doesn't cut it. Netbooks have been around for years but the whole point is that this is only useful on a tablet. It is hilarious that people complain about the iPad still being too expensive when there is no alternative, and the devices it replaces cost 10 to 20 times what it costs.

    11. Re:Been waiting for this by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      It has a touch screen and you can flip the display and turn it into a tablet.

    12. Re:Been waiting for this by 4phun · · Score: 1

      Exactly which "cheaper" Android tablet is available ?

      There is absolutely nothing in the world of Android that compares to what Apple by design has built into the iPad OS. It has many thoughtful touches for accessibility that are hidden in the settings menu for those that need it.

      Poor vision?
      There is a toggle to zoom everything

      No vision?
      There is a toggle to read aloud what you are touching on that screen

      There is a widespread belief that you can not read the iPad by the pool in direct sunlight do to Amazon Kindle advertising. There is a toggle you can enable that instantly inverts the screen for just that. I set it to do that when I press the Home key rapidly three times so I can view Google maps while out walking and read my email.

      Many of these same settings are built into the latest iPhone and iPod Touch too.

      With the well designed Apple OS it is easy to build apps that take advantage of these and other features for the handicapped. There is a totally blind person who can take an iPhone 4G and see colors around him by touching the screen with an app that uses the built in camera 'to see'.

      The only limitation you have with Apple is your own imagination with the tools they give you.

      BTW there is a federal law that the Obama administration is now enforcing that favors the iPad in colleges which are now turning to eBooks. They must make available only tablets or computer eReaders that have all the iPad's features under the Americans with Disabilities Act. That my friend bars Kindles and Nooks and probably most Android tablets when they show up from being used by the colleges for courses that require eBooks.

      Unfair, certainly! But the Obama government wants to force a sea change in how consumer electronics are designed and built so all members of society may benefit.

    13. Re:Been waiting for this by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      You're going to need a cite on this federal law or I call BS. Googling "iPad Kindle ADA" turned up zilch.

      ---linuxrocks123

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    14. Re:Been waiting for this by 4phun · · Score: 1

      You're going to need a cite on this federal law or I call BS. Googling "iPad Kindle ADA" turned up zilch.

      ---linuxrocks123

      I am trying not to let my opinion of the typical Linux/Android Geek be affected by your post. I know better. Most are as sharp as tacks!

        "Driving Home the Point on Accessibility
      June 30, 2010

      The U.S. Departments of Education and Justice on Tuesday released an open letter to colleges expressing concern that some institutions might be “using electronic book readers that are not accessible to students who are blind or have low vision” and warning them that the government will crack down on any institutions that are “requiring” disabled students to use emerging technology that does not comply with federal accessibility laws."

      And a bunch more at hundreds of links like this one that I copied only the first paragraph from.
      You really should read the whole thing!

      http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/30/kindle

      Did I notice the word Kindle in that URL, wow!

    15. Re:Been waiting for this by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Look around. You can find pretty powerful Android 2.1 tablets for cheap. A friend here in Shanghai just bought one - with a USB keyboard in the cover - for 960 RMB, about $140. I've had one for several months now, and it's been a great tablet - does everything I could want a tablet to do, and is very affordable. It's only a matter of time before a bigger brand starts importing these into the EU and the US.

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    16. Re:Been waiting for this by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      This one. It's a full featured tablet, lacking 3G but has WIFI, removable SD Card memory, USB ports, HDMI output, a decent screen (same pixel density as the iPad), pretty good battery life (7-8 hours of music and book reading), Android 2.1 and Android Market access. And you can get them for well under $200; a friend here in Shanghai just picked one up - with a leather folding cover/case that includes an integrated keyboard - for $140.

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    17. Re:Been waiting for this by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      Nothing in that link suggests that the government considers the iPad any better or that the Kindle would need any specific features found in the iPad to comply. I vaguely remember that Amazon was working on adding text-to-speech to the Kindle a while back to silence complaints about accessibility.

      ---linuxrocks123

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    18. Re:Been waiting for this by 4phun · · Score: 1

      Nothing in that link suggests that the government considers the iPad any better or that the Kindle would need any specific features found in the iPad to comply. I vaguely remember that Amazon was working on adding text-to-speech to the Kindle a while back to silence complaints about accessibility.

      ---linuxrocks123

      That first link was from a Kindle fanboy site.
      Duh?

      Please, it is not difficult to find the rest of the story for this was big news in July/August 2010. I remember reading about it all over the place in iPad discussions. There may have already been references here on /. too.

      If I have to go and find the rest of it for you that is going to have to be a whole case of Sam Adams beer you must promise to email me

    19. Re:Been waiting for this by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      I recall universities (stupidly, imo -- just buy a few paper (or Braille, or whatever) textbooks for the tiny minority of students for whom Kindles are unacceptable) dropping e-textbook plans because of ADA concerns. I don't recall anyone saying that using the iPad instead would have alleviated these concerns.

      ---linuxrocks123

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    20. Re:Been waiting for this by 4phun · · Score: 1

      I recall universities (stupidly, imo -- just buy a few paper (or Braille, or whatever) textbooks for the tiny minority of students for whom Kindles are unacceptable) dropping e-textbook plans because of ADA concerns. I don't recall anyone saying that using the iPad instead would have alleviated these concerns.

      ---linuxrocks123

      Do you want my email address for that beer?

    21. Re:Been waiting for this by wesgray · · Score: 1

      So it is! Thanks for the link.

  11. Bureaucrats never surprise me... by guytoronto · · Score: 5, Informative

    I worked at a university in Canada during the rise of the iPhone/iPod touch. Kids (young adults) who were deemed to have a 'learning disability' could apply for funds to purchase technology that would assist them. One of the qualifying technologies was "a PDA, either Palm or Pocket PC device".

    I assisted a student in completing a request for a iPod touch instead of either Palm or Compaq iPaq. The students request was denied because the iPod touch "could be used to play games or listen to MP3s".

    It didn't matter that the Palm or Pocket PCs at the time could do that as well. They had already been "approved" for use.

    1. Re:Bureaucrats never surprise me... by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      In these cases it's rules imposed on the bureaucrats. When national medical insurance programs started covering take-home "devices", there was controversy over whether that would mean that everyone would just get their doctor to prescribe them "home computer" or something. So to avoid supposed waste, there are rules (in both the U.S. and Canada) against the government medical services paying for consumer devices that have entertainment uses.

      I can see why peopled wanted the rule, but it probably costs more than it saves, given how expensive the equivalent specialist devices are.

    2. Re:Bureaucrats never surprise me... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      A lot of people are totally amoral and would rob society blind if they just paid out. Ie, they would lie and cheat to get an ipad. So there has to be limits for what gets paid out, if they had to run background checks that would probably require more people to be hired.

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  12. The Good and the BAD by zeroRenegade · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My cousin has cerebral palsy, and I am amazed at her ability as a user of her iPod Touch. She has fully integrated herself into the world of social media, and as a result has made more friends who can seem to communicate with her more easily in the social media scene, than in a subjective and judgmental school yard.

    Unfortunately, she also watches completely inane news videos online, which do nothing for her development. She constantly asks others to watch these horrible news clips. Her grandmother tells her that she "plugs in" or has "plugged in", whenever she puts her headphones in and becomes dead to the physical world. She hates when her Nan tells her this, and is very impatient with her Mom, brother, and others.

    1. Re:The Good and the BAD by Kirijini · · Score: 1

      Her grandmother tells her that she "plugs in" or has "plugged in", whenever she puts her headphones in and becomes dead to the physical world. She hates when her Nan tells her this, and is very impatient with her Mom, brother, and others.

      This is a normal young adult being a normal young adult.

    2. Re:The Good and the BAD by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Man, you have no idea what you are talking about. Unfortunately, she is not a normal young adult. Her oxygen was cut off at birth, and caused additional harm.

      You know nothing about her situation, or her reactions due to her impatience.

      However, I am not going to discuss anything personal about this here.

      People like you rot me, who take away from the significance of a comment by pointing out the obvious without regarding specifics.

    3. Re:The Good and the BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unfortunately, she also watches completely inane news videos online"

      She has cerebral palsy so perhaps these inane videos are an escape from the reality of that condition. You could say most everything is inane given that life is terminal :)

    4. Re:The Good and the BAD by robably · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People like you rot me, who take away from the significance of a comment by pointing out the obvious without regarding specifics.

      The specific examples you gave and which he quoted are exactly as he says; a normal young adult being a normal young adult. His reply was also inoffensively humourous. Get off your high horse.

    5. Re:The Good and the BAD by Kirijini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry. I should have just said "she's being a normal young adult."

      All kids/teenagers hate it when their parents criticize their choice of how to spend their time, all kids/teenager hate it when their interests are seemingly ignored by their family, and all kids/teenagers rebel against their family. If her condition magnifies these typical reactions, then, I'm sorry, but "youth rebellion disorder" is an age-old problem that exists even without ipods and even without cerebral palsy.

    6. Re:The Good and the BAD by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1

      No worries. I'm sorry I was so quick to judge you. But I still think you are completely misguided. It is my point that it is not her condition that magnifies her reactions, but her lack of patience from an obsession with social media. She is not learning the required social skills to learn how to deal with frustrating situations. This is not a common situation, and it is obvious that you have not had to deal with someone with such drastic disabilities, otherwise you would understand my point. I'm not trying to sound haughty, but instead I am just trying to get my point out that media does in fact negatively affect our youth. The influence is just more obvious in some people than others.

    7. Re:The Good and the BAD by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1

      I never took his comment as offensive. I took it as being indifferent. There is a huge difference, but I feel it is just as bad.

      Get off my high horse? I was just trying to make a post about my experience in my own life. I took the high ground because the Kirijini did not understand my particular situation.

      I bet you get so much satisfaction out of making completely useless posts that simply offend others. I realize I was offensive in my second post, but it was due to my hatred of indifference.

      I will reiterate. People who take away from the significance of a comment by pointing out the obvious without considering the specifics of the situation really annoy me. I don't even know why I waste my time posting to these threads, since it all falls on indifferent ears.

      I actually care about my cousin, so I would like to understand how she may be able to grow up to be a better person.

    8. Re:The Good and the BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it possible to block the Fox News site somehow?

    9. Re:The Good and the BAD by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1

      Hahahaha... man, I wish we could do that, then I would not have to watch those awful news clips. It is almost ALWAYS Fox news when she approaches me with a new video she wants me to watch. Sometimes I can not even watch five seconds of it. I'd say her mom is just trying to treat her like a normal person, and not block her from the rest of the world. Like I said in my original post, there are definitely some minor positives from her obsession with social media.

    10. Re:The Good and the BAD by robably · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, you got off your high horse and found a giraffe.

  13. Tugging the guilt strings... by Ant+P. · · Score: 0

    ...just so the teacher has an excuse to get one for themselves on someone else's dime.

    1. Re:Tugging the guilt strings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is a TROLL.

    2. Re:Tugging the guilt strings... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Typical conservative. Some people might or do abuse the system so let's get rid of the system.

    3. Re:Tugging the guilt strings... by causality · · Score: 1

      Typical conservative. Some people might or do abuse the system so let's get rid of the system.

      That's not conservative (nor is it liberal). It's authoritarian.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    4. Re:Tugging the guilt strings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hadn't you noticed that modern conservatism in the US is all about authoritarianism?

  14. Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hype over tablet PCs is all nonsense. It was unimpressive when Bill Gates was pushing it, and it is still unimpressive when Steve Jobs pushes it (but now it is shiny). There is no reason these programs cannot be written for a PC. If the touchscreen is what is needed (which I really doubt anyway), you can get a touchscreen for a PC. We are expected to think that if you yank the keyboard and mouse, a computer becomes suddenly much more useful.

    A tablet PC is just a different form factor. It is always the software that matters.

    1. Re:Nothing new here by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow, that was USDA Prime troll right up until those last seven words:

      "It is always the software that matters."

      Bingo. I'm not an Apple fan. I haven't owned one of their computers since 1980. I hate working on a Mac - short of checking stuff on a browser, I won't touch one. But, damn it, the iOS interface is very simple and easy to use. I'm going to say it's not as good as what TiVo has come up with, but it's simpler.

      It shouldn't be a surprise that kids with learning challenges find it useful - it can be effectively operated with practically zero experience or maintenance. Why do you think that all those iPhone users can do all that cool shit? Most are still using the DVD drive for a retractable cup holder.

      As much as I hate to admit it, the interface - and to some extent the massive price drop (compared to a full-system T/S tablet computer) has vaulted these touch screen devices beyond the specialty market. The switch to capacitive screens was the last barrier. Freeing users from a stylus wasn't enough without making the entire paradigm finger friendly. What you give up in accuracy you gain ten times over in ease of use and convenience to the untrained.

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  15. Ha your great military. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if people get upset about the customized devices used by the military?

  16. The challenge is that it's ripe for abuse by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Free/sponsored iPads, that is. The challenge isn't that they are good, but that there will be a scramble to "help" you get one and get it paid for by someone else. It reminds me of handicapped parking hang-tabs. There's no doubt people need them, but a few (some might say many) will abuse the system.

    Here's the thing: at the price currently set for consumer items, these probably don't need to be subsidized. We're not talking about a $3000 device with $2500 worth of custom software anymore. The hardware is barely $500. when it comes to medical care, that's not a lot of money for anybody unless you're destitute. The software, OTOH, isn't a portable thing.

    I can see it now: iScooterAHDH software you need for $1299 and we'll throw in the hardware for free! We'll even submit your paperwork to Medicaid. We're so confident that once you've completed your over the phone questionnaire, we'll get your full payment price reimbursed or your iPad (excuse me, Software) is Free!

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  17. The government has tons of stuff like that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work at a state funded university, so for the government even if slightly indirectly. I'm a salaried employee and while overtime isn't a normal part of my job, I am expected to work extra when needed. Yesterday I had to stay late to video a guest speaker, for example. However I am required to complete a time card every week. If I take any time off during the regular work week, I have to report it. I don't get to report time worked on the weekend or after hours, there is no OT or anything as I'm exempt, however I've got to report time off during the week.

    The reason is because they have to carefully track vacation usage and all that. Unlike many professional jobs where you are given a certain amount of vacation per year and then expected to be professional about it and sick days (like if you have two weeks and need to take an extra day that's ok) we are tracked down to as precise as we are willing to report (values are reported in hours, with 6 digits of precision behind the decimal point). We have generous amounts of time off, but it is all tracked.

    Why? Well to make sure the state isn't getting taken advantage of. It is supposed to make sure that there aren't employees who just never work and bilk the system. Ok... Except that it really doesn't. Your boss signs off on the time card so you could just claim you were "working from home" or whatever and if your boss says ok, then ok. All it really does is add a massive amount of overhead in terms of documentation and processing for all this. There are people at the university who's sole job is dealing with all the time reporting shit and there's lots of levels of bureaucracy in it (your boss approves your time, the payroll person then approves their approval, that gets sent off to the administrators and so on).

    It's supposed to be to protect tax payers but I suspect it does no more than just having managers that watch over things do.

    1. Re:The government has tons of stuff like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike many professional jobs where you are given a certain amount of vacation per year and then expected to be professional about it and sick days

      Any "professional" organization would not simply rely on the honor rule to track their employees vacation and sick time. It is probably law for any decently sized company to track these things.

      Why? Well to make sure the state isn't getting taken advantage of.

      Why? To make sure the organization isn't being taken advantage of. Any organization, public or private. I have never worked for any company or organization that did not track time off and sick time.

      Either this is your first real job or your second job ever, and your previous was working in some guys garage or a shack out back and they paid you under the table.

    2. Re:The government has tons of stuff like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked for a giant publicly traded business and for a tiny private business and they track time down to 15 minutes even for salaried people including vacation time. It's just how business is done, it's not some conspiracy to waste your time or invent headaches for you. The tiny firm didn't start out doing it, but one employee was perceived to be taking advantage, and now there is policy and tracking.

    3. Re:The government has tons of stuff like that by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Salaried employees at most companies don't fill out time cards. They have to request vacation days, but nobody is forcing them to fill in logs of when they came in and when they left every day. That's handled informally by managers, whose job it is to make sure people are showing up. If you're not, your manager should notice and talk to you, but there's still no timecard.

      How informally depends on the company; some have fairly strict 9-5 policies, while others, especially in tech, are extremely liberal with the clock as long as you're getting things done.

  18. And what "game" might that be? by fkx · · Score: 0

    And what "game" might that be?

    Make money off of special needs people with false and misleading claims about non existent advantages?

    Ho hum, marketing as usual in the USA

  19. Obligatory response by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    True story. I once had one go off on me because I said I liked the Marx Brothers.

    <response voice="Groucho" prop="cigar">That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.</response>

    (their going off on you)

  20. I hope it is clear now by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Insurance companies won't pay for something that might also be used for non-medical purposes. We saw this story quite some time ago when it was about the Nintendo Wii. Now we are seeing it again where it is about the iPad.

    It is precisely due to this behavior by insurance companies that medical equipment businesses can charge such an unreasonable amount of money for equipment that may as well been off the shelf. Here we see insurance companies feeding the problem of overly expensive medical services, devices and products.

    But as I am sure others are already pointing out, that medical costs are high is most certainly to the advantage of insurers. Why? Well think about it. If people could simply afford to pay for many medical products and services out of their own pockets, then they wouldn't need to buy insurance in the first place. In fact, the government presently recognizes "medical savings accounts" which can be contributed to through pre-tax dollars. If the costs of medical care were reasonable, it is quite likely that the insurance companies would lose out big to people who are more willing to save up money in their medical savings accounts.

    It's a big ugly game and the only losers are the people who need medical care... especially those who can't afford it.

    1. Re:I hope it is clear now by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Insurance companies won't pay for something that might also be used for non-medical purposes

      uh-oh...

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  21. Need to prevent abuse. by FatSean · · Score: 1

    Sometimes the rules seem un-fair, but you can always donate a tablet or two.

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  22. Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by cherokee158 · · Score: 5, Informative

    My son is autistic. An ipad with this software would probably have been very useful for him when he was younger, and possibly even now...but only if it was built with mll-spec indestructibility. Special needs kids tend to have severe behavioral problems, and violent tantrums are not unusual. They need to be either tougher or cheaper.

    And despite what many people seem to think, five hundred bucks for a gadget, and another 200 bucks for software, is not a trivial amount of money for a family with special needs kids. Having a special needs child almost automatically consigns many families to a single earner lifestyle, assuming their marriages even survive the experience. It always angered me that the 'poster families' the media chooses for its talk shows about special needs cases are almost always photogenic white collar folks whose biggest sacrifice is the extra money they have to spend to let specialists raise their children. If you visit a local meeting of whatever autism or other handicap support organization is in your community, I guarantee this is NOT what you will see. You will meet families struggling to keep their homes and their sanity in the face of impossible demands on their time, health and budget.

    This idea is a step in the right direction, but the cottage industry that churns out all these developmental aids need to wake up to the true economics of their prospective customers.

    1. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by snikulin · · Score: 2

      Check out otterbox iPad cases. While not the mil-spec, they can take some punch nevertheless.

      By the way, in my experience with my 2-years twin boys iPads are better protected than note/netbooks.
      It's just a slab of aluminum and glass.
      No keys, no hinges, no wires or plastic LCD.

    2. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by aukset · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for these families, the industry knows exactly who their customers are. Even if they are not targeting the medical device market (huge payouts from insurance companies), they are well aware that people who love their children will come up with the cash somehow. The price point is just about right: same a family with "normal" kids might spend on a console and a couple games and entertainment system to babysit for them.

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    3. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by baubo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, for mod points today. Thank you! Most people have no idea the hidden costs of raising disabled kids. If your autistic child is deaf, you'll need $2,000 hearing aids in addition to that $700 communication aid. And the hundreds of dollars you'll spend repairing or replacing everything in your house multiple times. This is never alluded to on the talk shows or in the nonprofit organization-run parent support groups.

    4. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by barzok · · Score: 1

      If you visit a local meeting of whatever autism or other handicap support organization is in your community, I guarantee this is NOT what you will see. You will meet families struggling to keep their homes and their sanity in the face of impossible demands on their time, health and budget.

      My wife works with a lot of kids like yours, all over the Autism Spectrum (social worker/service coordinator). Her clients range anywhere from families living in 11,000 square foot mansions to those living in a seedy motel & having to choose between diapers for their newborn, putting gas in the car, and making this week's rent payment (yet both parents smoke at least a pack of cigarettes a day).

      The parents in the middle to lower income brackets (excluding those at the absolute bottom) tend to be the most invested in getting their kids the services they need and more understanding of the policies & procedures that go along with everything. The really rich ones tend to either be in denial about their kids' needs, are actively unhelpful, or unreasonably demanding (demanding things that simply can't be done/given to them).

    5. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by domatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm in the same boat and just got the lowest model iPad and Proloque2go for my son. Our iPad in an an Otter Case. It is a thick plastic shell that is installed semipermanently on the iPad and even has a transparent cover for the touch screen that still allows normal use of the screen. It has already survived being thrown down on the floor once. I don't know if it is mil-spec or not but it will definitely take more abuse encased in this thing than not. So you might want to look into that.

      I can also second the bureaucratic maze around all this. We've been turned down twice by the state for the approved $7000 dollar dedicated speech device. Apparently his verified diagnosis of autism and apraxia "does not merit" his getting that device. Bottom line is he is a nine year old who doesn't talk. We had to get the iPad and our county MRDD payed for the app. Since the iPad is general purpose they wouldn't pay for that but they DID get the app. The iPad, Otter Case, and app are around $700 all told. That is still a lot but beats the dedicated devices by a factor of 10. I hope it puts them out of business and that is because I've discovered that vendors of all manner of adaptive and educational materials have us over a barrel. What I half-suspect will happen instead is some bullshit patent or other IP lawsuit now that their nasty little jig is up.

      And I hear you on the single income. I'm in THAT boat too for basically the same reasons. Hopefully we see something like this for low end Android devices soon. That could cut the price by at least half. I'd like to see these dedicated device vendors choke on that too.

      And I too am frustrated by all the media coverage those well heeled enough to drop 50K/yr on therapies get. I have little doubt the outcome for my kid would have been a lot better if I could have afforded it. Let's see some coverage on those us who don't have a starter castle, two honking SUVs, and 50,000 more a year to spare just for specialized therapies.

    6. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My sympathy to you.
      I know it matters nothing, but I guess your's is the most spot-on comment.

      When sometimes I stop and think about our Universal Health System we have here in Italy, I wonder why we cannot simply admit that it's all just for the profit of the few and the impoverishment of the many and has no basis whatsoever in socialism, humanitarianism and whatnot.
      I have clearly engraved in my mind the boot-up talk I had with my boss (lawyer) when I started working.

      "A son who followed his father in the medical profession finally took his first patient from his father's, after many years of medical school. The patient complained about an aching thumb that would not let him work as a wood craftsman. The father doctor always prescribed him pain killers and unguents and sent him home every time, only to have him come back a few days later with an aching thumb. The son thought about using his acumen and knowledge and took a magnifying glass to the thumb and found a splinter which he promptly removed with tweezers. The patient felt immediately better and went home never to return to see the doctor. When after some time the father asked the son about the man and why he was not coming back any more the son promptly replied: "Oh, father, it was just a splinter. I took it out".
      "DUMBASS yelled the father. Do you think we could afford this house if we were loosing patients like that?

      Make what you want out of this story. It was great teaching for me, whichever way I tried to look at it.

    7. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My heart is with you.

      My family also struggles with a debilitating childhood illness. I have had no greater challenge in my life than dealing with the consequences of my son's illness. It is a daily struggle.

    8. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by fishexe · · Score: 1

      This idea is a step in the right direction, but the cottage industry that churns out all these developmental aids need to wake up to the true economics of their prospective customers.

      Yeah, shame on them for thinking it was good-hearted to make an app that helps special needs kids, without first upending the entire tech industry and rebuilding it from scratch!

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      "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
    9. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by avatar139 · · Score: 1

      It always angered me that the 'poster families' the media chooses for its talk shows about special needs cases are almost always photogenic white collar folks whose biggest sacrifice is the extra money they have to spend to let specialists raise their children. If you visit a local meeting of whatever autism or other handicap support organization is in your community, I guarantee this is NOT what you will see. You will meet families struggling to keep their homes and their sanity in the face of impossible demands on their time, health and budget.

      Considering I do a lot of advocacy work with families with children that have various disabilities (mainly Autistic Spectrum Disorders) I guess my personal observation has always been that the "photogenic white collar" crowd are generally the ones who are educated enough to know where to start looking for more information about what is going on with their children.

      But I think the main thing you're forgetting is that the only thing important to talk show producers is the photogenic part of the equation. Remember If somebody looks/acts weird (and there isn't some sort of obvious physical reason for it) then an audience can't sympathize with them, viewing them as creepy weirdoes and ratings go down as a result.

      And despite what many people seem to think, five hundred bucks for a gadget, and another 200 bucks for software, is not a trivial amount of money for a family with special needs kids. Having a special needs child almost automatically consigns many families to a single earner lifestyle, assuming their marriages even survive the experience.

      While I agree with your point about the money and relationships piece I think that you might want to remember there are varying degrees of expensive here. Certainly the $700 spent sounds like a lot of money, but when you compare to this to other technologies listed in the article, namely that $7,820 P.O.S. "specialized technology" that is where the savings start to come in.

      I'm sure I don't need to tell you about how rare it is to find insurance plans that will even theoretically cover these devices, let alone the amount of time and energy you have to spend dealing with them in order to get them to do in practice what your policy specifies.

      My brother is legally blind and has Cerebral Palsy and as a result he is confined to a wheelchair and the amount of time and money that our family has to spend getting the arrangements made to replace his wheelchair every half decade is insane. If we could find a lower cost consumer solution we could pay out of pocket, which is what the iPad is offering in this case, I can guarantee we'd take it in a heartbeat!

      Bottom line is no matter what you do, you're going to have to spend some money to be able to accommodate your kid's unique learning style. I'm a big believer in the not being penny wise but pound foolish school of thought, especially where technology is concerned. Ultimately I view time as more valuable then money, so that's why I generally prefer to recommend to my clients to get something that's a bit more pricey up front, but saves them a lot of time and effort in constantly struggling to get it to work when using it in the long run.

      My son is autistic. An ipad with this software would probably have been very useful for him when he was younger, and possibly even now...but only if it was built with mll-spec indestructibility. Special needs kids tend to have severe behavioral problems, and violent tantrums are not unusual. They need to be either tougher or cheaper.

      I definitely agree with the added durability point you made as I've dealt with computers in special education settings for a long time. However one year in particular comes to mind at a speciality startup school for kids with various Autistic Spectrum Disorders, and let me just say I'm glad it was a Mac shop as I've yet to see a notebook/netbook that can take the amount of puni

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    10. Re:Yes, but is it dishwasher safe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Panasonic Toughbook H1 Field. I'm not trying to be an ass, I promise. I know it's more expensive, and that half your post walk talking about how hard it is to buy expensive stuff when you've got a special needs kid. But Toughbook's freakin' last. I'm pretty sure they are dishwasher safe. And the H1 is the touchscreen tablet version. It'd be worthwhile to petition these companies making software for the iPad to make software for the Toughbook. Plus, it runs on Windows, so you could always get some company to provide a "lockdown" program so that all they can access (officially) is the specific program, then see if Medicare would pay for it.

      And yes, I know this is all hypothetical and would take 10 years to get through bureaucracy, but it's a direction we can push for. And I really don't know what I'm talking about, so better perspective would be welcome.

  23. It's the SOFTWARE, Stupid (gov regs) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why not just get software approved by Medicare? At $190, that would be a helpful break

  24. Not iPads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this story on the news. It was awesome. "iPad is God's gift to autismkind." While showing tons of video of kids with 5 and 7 inch 'iPads'.

  25. Re:iPad - exciting new product for retards by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

    You do realize that the mentally handicapped (i.e., "retarded", as you call them), aren't the ones benefiting from this, right? "Speech and communications" problems don't mean the person is intellectually subpar. (Making asinine comments on /., however, is a fairly strong indication.)

  26. Re:Go Fuck Yourself by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

    +1x10^1000

  27. The rise of the tablets ??? by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The rise of mainstream tablets"

    Why can't we call the rise of the iPad "The rise of the iPad" ?

    1. Re:The rise of the tablets ??? by fishexe · · Score: 1

      "The rise of mainstream tablets"

      Why can't we call the rise of the iPad "The rise of the iPad" ?

      Because that would leave tech journalists with nothing to do.

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      "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
    2. Re:The rise of the tablets ??? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Because that would leave tech journalists with nothing to do.

      Is that bad? I mean, we would probably all be better off with them idle, right?

    3. Re:The rise of the tablets ??? by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Because that would leave tech journalists with nothing to do.

      Is that bad? I mean, we would probably all be better off with them idle, right?

      I guess a more complete answer on my part would have been, we are certainly free to call it "The rise of the iPad" but tech journalists will still call it "The rise of mainstream tablets" because otherwise they would have nothing to do.

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      "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
  28. Re:Go Fuck Yourself by jamrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My eldest niece is now 25 years old and suffers from cerebral palsy. It's easy to make fun of people with special needs, but it's an insulting slap in the face to their heroic caregivers. When I think about the endless love, countless hours of attention, and enormous amounts of money my brother and sister-in-law spent on their child and the heartache they endured, to have some smug, basement-dwelling maggot going for the cheap laughs enrages me to the point that I want to rip their eyeballs out through their assholes.

    Oh, and fuck you too.

  29. like any other person by osssmkatz · · Score: 1

    If you read David Pogue's "The perfect thing" about the history of the iPod, he discusses this "ipod bubble" phonomenon happening to ordinary people -- able-bodied people. Why should someone with cerebral palsy who moves differently not be allowed to keep up on current events/watch videos like any other person? I don't even care if they listen to MP3s.

    --Sam

    1. Re:like any other person by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1

      I've said this a couple times now, but she has cognitive disabilities due to an oxygen deficiency at birth. She has more problems than just her movements. She is really a great person on the surface, but sometimes her aggression becomes completely inappropriate when it is brought out by her impatience.

      Also, I never said she should not be able to watch these videos. I said that these videos negatively affect her. I just wish there was some way to help her better understand things. The news clips she watches are about every murder, rape, violent or racist act in America. We are Canadian, so we are not use to such horrible news all the time. Not that these things don't happen up here. Its just not as abundant.

  30. I know CP well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking from experience, l it can be caused by a number of different conditions, it normally does not cause cognitive deficits so severe that they impact things of this nature. It does sometimes affect math and logical connections. Certainly, I have seen emotions that are difficult to manage due to what my doctor calls the "chaos" effect of a nervous system damaged from birth/in an accident. And of course living with a disability has its own frustrations.

    I would urge you to treat your cousin as a normal person. There is no such thing as normal, typical, atypical etc. Those are just labels. I once attended a conference where most of the people had CP. You would be amazed. Most came on their own on trains or on planes. They thought about things very deeply, and were expressive. In short, they were human, and there was nothing in what they said or how they behaved that I could say, "Oh, they're disabled.".

    Humans are a diverse bunch. I wish your cousin and your family well.

    1. Re:I know CP well... by zeroRenegade · · Score: 1

      We do our best at treating her as a normal person. To say otherwise would be an insult to her family. (I know you are not trying to be insulting).

      Unfortunately, it is impossible to treat someone the same way you treat others, when the person refuses to feed herself, use the washroom, or even wake up in the morning, unless directed to do so. I doubt anyone understands how hard this must be on her mother, unless they have gone through it personally. I really hate that I have had to get so personal about this just to make my point clear.

      As I said in a previous post above, she had an oxygen deficiency at birth which caused her to develop cognitive disabilities. She is not like all other CP patients. All situations are different, which is my original point. It may be a positive for some people, but for others, it is definitely a negative.

  31. WARNING: Highly offensive comment within by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you build a computer idiots can use, only idiots will use it."

    1,%s/idiot//g

  32. Curing vitamin D deficiency is bigger game changer by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml
    "Research indicates it will help several vitamin D deficiency-associated diseases such as: autism, autoimmune illness, cancer, chronic pain, depression, diabetes, heart disease, hyperparathyroidism, hypertension, influenza, myopathy (neuromuscular disorders), and osteoporosis. ..."

    One problem with all this technology is it keeps us indoor more and so we become vitamin D deficient...

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  33. Ha your great hearing aids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But a medicare approved ipad is going to be ~$4000 (just look at hearing aids for an example - components not all that different from a blutooth headset but 10x-50x the cost)."

    Umm, no there's a significant difference between a Bluetooth headset and a hearing aid. Also a lot of private and public insurance pays most of the cost for one.

  34. The deeper problem... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The deeper problem is our artificial-scarcity-based economic paradigm is increasingly obsolete: http://knol.google.com/k/paul-d-fernhout/beyond-a-jobless-recovery

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  35. n/t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL @ tards

  36. Re:Been waiting for this "iPad Voiceover gestures" by 4phun · · Score: 1

    You're going to need a cite on this federal law or I call BS. Googling "iPad Kindle ADA" turned up zilch.

    ---linuxrocks123

    I might add that Obama's "U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan today [Oct 12, 2010] announced the award of $10.9 million for 28 grants under two new federal programs that create opportunities for students with intellectual disabilities to attend and be successful in higher education."

    You might consider that the iPad grant after a little more research. That answers other points made on /. as to how are they going to pay for this.

    What makes the iPad a leader in this field for ADA compliance?

    Here’s a summary of Voiceover gestures using accessibility for the IPAD that are not found in most other similar devices like Android.

    You can also download IPAD iSO4 user guide for the IPAD. The download is free; however, the user guide is 303 pages. Here is a short snip on the just the subject of user gestures. It may be helpful for you to see why it complies with ADA in the eyes of the US government!

    Navigate and Read

    --> Tap: Speak item.

    --> Flick right or left: Select the next or previous item.

    --> Flick up or down: The effect varies depending on the Rotor Control setting.
    See “Using VoiceOver” on page 110.

    --> Two-finger tap: Stop speaking the current item.

    --> Two-finger flick up: Read all, from the top of the screen.

    --> Two-finger flick down: Read all, from the current position.

    --> Three-finger flick up or down: Scroll one page at a time.

    --> Three-finger flick right or left: Go to the next or previous page (such as the Home screen or Safari).

    --> Three-finger tap: Speak the scroll status (which page or rows are visible).

    --> Four-finger flick up or down: Go to the first or last element on a page.

    --> Four-finger flick right or left: Go to the next or previous section (for example, on a webpage).

    Select and Activate

    --> Double-tap: Activate selected item.

    --> Touch an item with one finger, tap the screen with another finger (“split-tapping”): Activate item.

    --> Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture: Use a standard gesture.

    The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPad to interpret the subsequent gesture as standard.

    For example, you can double-tap and hold, and then without lifting your finger, drag your finger to slide a switch.

    You can use standard gestures when VoiceOver is turned on, by double-tapping and holding your finger on the screen.

    A series of tones indicates that normal gestures are in force.
    They remain in effect until you lift your finger, then VoiceOver gestures resume.

    -->Two-finger double tap: Play or pause in iPod, YouTube, Voice Memos, or Photos.

    Start or pause recording in Voice Memos.

    Start or stop the stopwatch.

    --> Three-finger double tap: Mute or unmute VoiceOver.

    --> Three-finger trip tap: Turn the display on or off.

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    You may email me a high quality beer later today for doing your research for you.

  37. Keep trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe someday you'll find an actual meaningful use for one of those worthless gadgets.

  38. Re:Go Fuck Yourself by hawkfish · · Score: 1

    That, sir, is the most beautiful piece of abuse I have read in a long time. Not to mention well deserved. I salute you.

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