Electric heat pumps are even cheaper than gas. Ideally geothermal, but even air-to-air is competitive with gas. The problem with the air-to-air models is:
1. You need a well insulated home for them to be really effective, and 2. They become less efficient as the outside temperature drops, and stop functioning entirely below a certain temperature.
The latter has been mitigated somewhat in recent years; some companies have models which claim to function as low as -25 celcius. Efficiency at lower temperatures is still an issue, however they should still average out to be cheaper overall than gas. Electric or gas backups can be used in areas where temperatures drop below -25 for relatively short periods of time.
Personally I would love to see Gates and his buddies invest some cash in increasing efficiency and driving down cost of HVAC systems. With cheap and efficient heat pumps, some solar panels, and a Tesla power wall or two, you can have a zero-carboon footprint household easy while also saving money.
Funny. In other words, as pong as you have enough storage capacity, the intermittency of solar and wind isn't a problem. But you somehow tried to spin that into "hey, nothing to worry about here, usage mirrors.availability"
For instance, if Tesla sold 130 cars in 2017 compared to 6400 by Mercedes, then even if Tesla made 5 time less recall, the recall rate would still be 10 time higher than Mercedes.
That's... not at all how that works. A recall is typically for an entire model year, not individual vehicles. It doesn't matter if you sell 10 vehicles of that type, or 10 million; you're recalling all of them ergo the recall rate is the same.
Only if you donâ(TM)t actually bother reading the story.
That's rather the point; the headline is intentionally designed to mislead in order to get you to read the story. Which makes the "reporter" a douchebag and his editor a cunt.
There are a lot of outstanding questions about what exactly happened with that drone. Some Iranian sources have claimed that they jammed it's communications links and then fed it spoofed GPS data to get it to land. This is somewhat plausible, but the drones don't rely purely on GPS data so it seems unlikely that this would have worked.
It's definitely an interesting occurrence, but "hijacked" implies they had direct control, which doesn't seem to be the case.
If that's actually true then the EU must have taken in about 200 million immigrants last year. The population in 2017 was 511 millions.
And if it is actually true that the EU took in 200 million refugees in 1 year, then goodbye Europe, it was nice knowing you. Time to pull all US businesses and assets out of there before they end up burning in the downfall.
Should have built a wall while they had the chance.
So, basically, the complaint is "whaaaaaa, they won't let us use the play store without installing Google stuff!!"?
And this is supposedly illegal?
The mind boggles. Maybe someone should tell them that there are dozens of alternate stores out there, like Amazon, Fdroid, and Aptoide. Also ask them why the fuck they would expect the google app store to be available on non-google devices. Do they expect the Apple app store to be available on Solaris?
You're still playing games with numbers. Your "$400 per kw" figure is still based on the original assumption that we are talking about 1 MW maximum output. If we are looking at direct comparisons to power plants which can operate 24/7 then it's more like $130-$200, since you're going to need a lot more than 1 MW of max capacity to equal their output.
Anyway, I've explained to you why your original question was silly, and I've explained to you where some of the extra weight comes from. I don't see much point in continuing to argue about it. If you want to account for every single kilogram of steel used in the original estimate, feel free to email Dr Conca for more details.
On a lot of missions, military craft use information/receive orders from external sources while in flight.
And those systems are completely sepearted from the actual flight controls and mission computers. Source: worked on military aircraft.
With the most modern aircraft which have the capacity to share targeting data it might be a bit more of an issue in that someone could theoretically feed you invalid data so your weapons hit the wrong target. This is also quite unlikely, but at least plausible. If we ever do find that it's happening we can always turn off that particular capability and go back to doing things the old fashioned way until the vulnerability is patched.
Before "9/11" anyone would have told you that the US Air Force would have shot down any hijacked commercial planes if it would have saved lives of people in buildings on the ground.
Ans this anyone would have been an idiot with no understanding of the subject. If instead of asking "anyone" you had asked the people who do that work for a living you would have gotten a much different answer.
They all have fairly large steel support structures and usually motors or actuators to move them around in order to track the sun. I don't know exactly how much those structures weigh but I do know they're a lot heavier than you seem to be assuming.
I also know that you've made some assumptions to fuck with the figures. Like your claim that 1 MW is 3,500 panels. That would be using typical 285 watts panels, as you say. Except it doesn't work that way. We are comparing it to facilities which can run 24/7 after all, whereas a solar panel gets max output maybe 1/3rd the time. Even if we are generous and double (instead of tripling) the number of panels, you still need 7,000 instead of your 3,500. Then you need concrete bases, preferably with steel rebar to keep them from crumbling. You need a steel framework. You need motors. You need wiring to connect them together, and either towers to string the wiring, or conduit to protect it. It all adds up.
Horseshit. The article is pure FUD. Nobody has ever demonstrated a way to remotely control any of the aircraft currently flying without first installing a bunch of new software and hardware. Given the way mission computers and flight controls are designed, it's insanely unlikely that anyone ever will.
The FBI was abusive back when J. Edgar was sucking up dirt like another kind of Hoover.
Totally. This is why I hate doctors, personally; they used to be insanely ignorant and abusive back when they were treating people with bleeding and trepanning. If there's one thing I've learned in life it's that judging people and organisations based on the actions of their predecpredecessors is the surest path to truth. A historical example or two are far more convincing than any actual evidence of contemporary wrongdoing!
This is also why I hate the Jews; because they killed Jesus. Bet they'd do it again in a second, the heartless bastards.
even counting things like almost destroying the goddamn world during the Cuvan Missile Crisis, we've even got the recent LoveInt within the NSA. We've also got parallel construction for the abuse by law enforcement.
I have no idea what that meant, but I'm sure you're very passionate about it.
Jesus, how fucking stupid do you have to be to not realize that power is inherently corrupting, and anybody that can wave their hands at any criticism by saying "national security" is going to be overwhelmingly corrupt.
I've waived my hands and said "national security" many a time. That whole corruption thing was really great to me. I made less than the public sector, had more fucked up rules to deal with, had more hoops to jump through, and had paranoid nutbags questioning everything I said and did. I totally miss all those benefits; should have never left the public sector.
It doesn't at all depend on how you measure it. Nobody plans to be in an accident, so the question of which type of accident you would rather be in is completely fucking irrelevant. The only pertinent question is which method of transportation is safer overall.
I appreciate your input on how best to "move forward" but I personally find that telling idiots to fuck off often works quite well, and, at worst, it fares no worse than trying to humour them. Anecdotal, I know, but until we have a well designed and properly controlled study on the matter, I have little choice but to go on what I've observed.
They're competing successfully because they don't have to worry about base load generation. Even better (for them) as you increase the penetration of renewables, the price of other forms of energy increase due to more time spent idling, so renewables look even more attractive to the ignorant layman.
To use a loose analogy, people who recieve food stamps have to earn less to get by. But the more people there are on food stamps, the more everyone else has to pay in order to make up for it. That doesn't mean the people who get food stamps are more productive, or that we should be encouraging everyone to be on food stamps. It just means they're offloading a significant fraction of their costs onto others.
Eh. Nobody with any sense is going to short renewables unless fusion makes some grand breakthrough. The "haters" are mostly just overreacting to the fanatical fanbois.
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Electric heat pumps are even cheaper than gas. Ideally geothermal, but even air-to-air is competitive with gas. The problem with the air-to-air models is:
1. You need a well insulated home for them to be really effective, and
2. They become less efficient as the outside temperature drops, and stop functioning entirely below a certain temperature.
The latter has been mitigated somewhat in recent years; some companies have models which claim to function as low as -25 celcius. Efficiency at lower temperatures is still an issue, however they should still average out to be cheaper overall than gas. Electric or gas backups can be used in areas where temperatures drop below -25 for relatively short periods of time.
Personally I would love to see Gates and his buddies invest some cash in increasing efficiency and driving down cost of HVAC systems. With cheap and efficient heat pumps, some solar panels, and a Tesla power wall or two, you can have a zero-carboon footprint household easy while also saving money.
Funny. In other words, as pong as you have enough storage capacity, the intermittency of solar and wind isn't a problem. But you somehow tried to spin that into "hey, nothing to worry about here, usage mirrors .availability"
Because they're only good for very short periods, and scaling them up increases cost disproportionately to revenue.
For instance, if Tesla sold 130 cars in 2017 compared to 6400 by Mercedes, then even if Tesla made 5 time less recall, the recall rate would still be 10 time higher than Mercedes.
That's ... not at all how that works. A recall is typically for an entire model year, not individual vehicles. It doesn't matter if you sell 10 vehicles of that type, or 10 million; you're recalling all of them ergo the recall rate is the same.
As opposed to human drivers?
"Oh we missed 5,000 stop signs today alone. We'll fix it never."
Only if you donâ(TM)t actually bother reading the story.
That's rather the point; the headline is intentionally designed to mislead in order to get you to read the story. Which makes the "reporter" a douchebag and his editor a cunt.
There are a lot of outstanding questions about what exactly happened with that drone. Some Iranian sources have claimed that they jammed it's communications links and then fed it spoofed GPS data to get it to land. This is somewhat plausible, but the drones don't rely purely on GPS data so it seems unlikely that this would have worked.
It's definitely an interesting occurrence, but "hijacked" implies they had direct control, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Ask the native americans.
EU inhabitants: 741.4 million
If that's actually true then the EU must have taken in about 200 million immigrants last year. The population in 2017 was 511 millions.
And if it is actually true that the EU took in 200 million refugees in 1 year, then goodbye Europe, it was nice knowing you. Time to pull all US businesses and assets out of there before they end up burning in the downfall.
Should have built a wall while they had the chance.
Yeah. Makes more sense for them to just jack up the price of their services in Europe, anyway, and pass the cost of the fine on to consumers.
So, basically, the complaint is "whaaaaaa, they won't let us use the play store without installing Google stuff!!"?
And this is supposedly illegal?
The mind boggles. Maybe someone should tell them that there are dozens of alternate stores out there, like Amazon, Fdroid, and Aptoide. Also ask them why the fuck they would expect the google app store to be available on non-google devices. Do they expect the Apple app store to be available on Solaris?
Yeah, they would be shocked.
"You mean you haven't executed the genetically inferior, and put the rest to work in salt mines? Wow. What is wrong with your species???"
You're still playing games with numbers. Your "$400 per kw" figure is still based on the original assumption that we are talking about 1 MW maximum output. If we are looking at direct comparisons to power plants which can operate 24/7 then it's more like $130-$200, since you're going to need a lot more than 1 MW of max capacity to equal their output.
Anyway, I've explained to you why your original question was silly, and I've explained to you where some of the extra weight comes from. I don't see much point in continuing to argue about it. If you want to account for every single kilogram of steel used in the original estimate, feel free to email Dr Conca for more details.
On a lot of missions, military craft use information/receive orders from external sources while in flight.
And those systems are completely sepearted from the actual flight controls and mission computers. Source: worked on military aircraft.
With the most modern aircraft which have the capacity to share targeting data it might be a bit more of an issue in that someone could theoretically feed you invalid data so your weapons hit the wrong target. This is also quite unlikely, but at least plausible. If we ever do find that it's happening we can always turn off that particular capability and go back to doing things the old fashioned way until the vulnerability is patched.
Before "9/11" anyone would have told you that the US Air Force would have shot down any hijacked commercial planes if it would have saved lives of people in buildings on the ground.
Ans this anyone would have been an idiot with no understanding of the subject. If instead of asking "anyone" you had asked the people who do that work for a living you would have gotten a much different answer.
They all have fairly large steel support structures and usually motors or actuators to move them around in order to track the sun. I don't know exactly how much those structures weigh but I do know they're a lot heavier than you seem to be assuming.
I also know that you've made some assumptions to fuck with the figures. Like your claim that 1 MW is 3,500 panels. That would be using typical 285 watts panels, as you say. Except it doesn't work that way. We are comparing it to facilities which can run 24/7 after all, whereas a solar panel gets max output maybe 1/3rd the time. Even if we are generous and double (instead of tripling) the number of panels, you still need 7,000 instead of your 3,500. Then you need concrete bases, preferably with steel rebar to keep them from crumbling. You need a steel framework. You need motors. You need wiring to connect them together, and either towers to string the wiring, or conduit to protect it. It all adds up.
Horseshit. The article is pure FUD. Nobody has ever demonstrated a way to remotely control any of the aircraft currently flying without first installing a bunch of new software and hardware. Given the way mission computers and flight controls are designed, it's insanely unlikely that anyone ever will.
What did we say about you speaking?
The article is talking about commercial power plants, not your silly little roof covering.
The FBI was abusive back when J. Edgar was sucking up dirt like another kind of Hoover.
Totally. This is why I hate doctors, personally; they used to be insanely ignorant and abusive back when they were treating people with bleeding and trepanning. If there's one thing I've learned in life it's that judging people and organisations based on the actions of their predecpredecessors is the surest path to truth. A historical example or two are far more convincing than any actual evidence of contemporary wrongdoing!
This is also why I hate the Jews; because they killed Jesus. Bet they'd do it again in a second, the heartless bastards.
even counting things like almost destroying the goddamn world during the Cuvan Missile Crisis, we've even got the recent LoveInt within the NSA. We've also got parallel construction for the abuse by law enforcement.
I have no idea what that meant, but I'm sure you're very passionate about it.
Jesus, how fucking stupid do you have to be to not realize that power is inherently corrupting, and anybody that can wave their hands at any criticism by saying "national security" is going to be overwhelmingly corrupt.
I've waived my hands and said "national security" many a time. That whole corruption thing was really great to me. I made less than the public sector, had more fucked up rules to deal with, had more hoops to jump through, and had paranoid nutbags questioning everything I said and did. I totally miss all those benefits; should have never left the public sector.
It doesn't at all depend on how you measure it. Nobody plans to be in an accident, so the question of which type of accident you would rather be in is completely fucking irrelevant. The only pertinent question is which method of transportation is safer overall.
I appreciate your input on how best to "move forward" but I personally find that telling idiots to fuck off often works quite well, and, at worst, it fares no worse than trying to humour them. Anecdotal, I know, but until we have a well designed and properly controlled study on the matter, I have little choice but to go on what I've observed.
Not sure if you're playing stupid or what, but I'll play along and point out that we don't just throw the panels down on the ground.
They're competing successfully because they don't have to worry about base load generation. Even better (for them) as you increase the penetration of renewables, the price of other forms of energy increase due to more time spent idling, so renewables look even more attractive to the ignorant layman.
To use a loose analogy, people who recieve food stamps have to earn less to get by. But the more people there are on food stamps, the more everyone else has to pay in order to make up for it. That doesn't mean the people who get food stamps are more productive, or that we should be encouraging everyone to be on food stamps. It just means they're offloading a significant fraction of their costs onto others.
Eh. Nobody with any sense is going to short renewables unless fusion makes some grand breakthrough. The "haters" are mostly just overreacting to the fanatical fanbois.
Try telling that you the people who used to live near the Fukushima or Chernobyl reactors.
This is such a retarded form of argument.
"Airplanes are pretty much the safest form of travel"
"Uhrmaghurd tell that to all those people who died in 9/11!!!!!!!11!1!1!!"
Fuck off. If you don't intent to think thats fine, but then at least keep yourself from speaking.