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Tesla's Autopilot To Get 'Full Self-Driving Feature' In August (reuters.com)
Earlier today, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted that its Autopilot driver assistance system will get full self-driving features following a software upgrade in August. Reuters reports: Autopilot, a form of advanced cruise control, handles some driving tasks and warns those behind the wheel they are always responsible for the vehicle's safe operation. But a spate of recent crashes has brought the system under regulatory scrutiny. "To date, Autopilot resources have rightly focused entirely on safety. With V9, we will begin to enable full self-driving features," Musk tweeted here on Sunday, replying to a Twitter user.
Musk said the autopilot issue during lane-merging is better in the current software and will be fully fixed in the August update. However, it was not clear what self-driving features would be included in the August update. Tesla's documentation on its website about the "full self-driving capabilities" package says that it is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval.
Musk said the autopilot issue during lane-merging is better in the current software and will be fully fixed in the August update. However, it was not clear what self-driving features would be included in the August update. Tesla's documentation on its website about the "full self-driving capabilities" package says that it is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval.
Can we get a better law passed to make deceptive quoting and deceptive titles illegal? "begin to enable full self-driving features" is not nearly the same as "get 'full self-driving features'". No wonder the news industry is dying. It's all just bullshit, same as gossip.
When approaching stopped car at high velocity, do not hit car. Hopefully they can expand that feature to cover other stationary objects as well, but I can see how that might be a "2.0” kind of thing.
Tesla has a high rate of recalls compared to other car manufacturers.
Just because a car maker has fewer recalls than Tesla doesn't mean their cars have fewer issues. It just means they don't have as many recalls. They could simply be not taking responsibility for their problems compared to Tesla.
Liability insurance payments will skyrocket starting in August, as they will now be on the hook for any accidents that happen whilst running Autopilot. No more excuses of "it's just an aid, you still need to hold the wheel". Musk is explicitly claiming self-driving capabilities.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Recalls normally have some sort of government intervention that forces the recall.
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Canadians don't mess aboot.
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Does anyone honestly care outside of tech bubbles or greedy car companies? If anybody is stupid enough to utilize this, Musk will have more deaths on his hands and through that verbiage he would find it a lot more difficult to weasel his way out of liability. Full automation for this particular task is a pipe dream, and one that no one asked for. He's a fossil of the disuption-equals-hostile-takeover startup culture, he's not half as bright as he gets credit for, and he's just trying to keep himself relevant. I could honestly care less about this. Yawn.
I knew a guy. He drove his car into an interstate overpass at 80+ mph. It was a failed suicide attempt (i.e., he lived).
Point is, Tesla's autopilot is indistinguishable from a depressed, suicidal middle aged man that was just fired.
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It's a nice car. It's a luxury car, nice interior. Kind of makes you feel like royalty, like a king. Or queen. More specifically, a princess. In particular, Princess Diana.
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And I own a Tesla model 3 and find the autopilot to be a significant improvement over the standard cruise control found in a lesser cars.
I'm also an engineer and have a graduate degree in machine learning, so I don't share your pessimism. Fortunately, you Luddites are in the minority or we'd instead be arguing the merits of mules vs horses vs donkeys.
Musk tweeted: "we will begin to enable full self-driving features" doesn't mean Teslas will be capable of "full self driving", his claim is that his company would "begin" to deploy some of the features for the people that paid extra money for the "Full Self Driving Feature" in addition to the Auto Pilot feature, but not anyone else.
This could simply mean that it's just better at dealing with merging vehicles that the tweet that Musk was responding mentioned that the existing Auto Pilot software had problems with.
As a motorcyclist, this terrifies me. Teslas already have an issue with running us over to begin with, now they're going to open it up for full auto without addressing the problem.
Ok, so which recall was Tesla forced to do by the Government?
Also, recalls can be anything from a sun shade that doesn't latch quite right, to a fuel line problem that makes the vehicle explode without warning.
FYI, this thread is about Tesla's autopilot.
Just a thought, buy one and prove Tesla wrong. And one can finance through the First Bank of Parents; clean up the basement first.
Stay in your basement?
does "self driving" mean what it means or is it a "self driving assist"?
Since 2016, anyone who paid Tesla for FSD got absolutely nothing over those who didn't. What feature will get rolled out in August is not publicly known, could be some trick the car can do that it couldn't before (e.g. warn you if it sees a stop sign or a red light, not guaranteed it will see one of course). Then again, given that Elon said the exact same thing in the past, "features rolling out starting December 2016", then "FSD coast-to-coast demo by end of 2017", and none of them came remotely true, I would not be holding my breath. Could be just a way to distract the media from NHTSA investigation results, or other news Elon wasn't thrilled to see.
You know people like you falling for clickbait is the reason there's clickbait right?
Do us all a favour and read and understand the summary at least before jumping in next time.
Elon Musk will not last 1 day in a prison and after an full self-driving Tesla runs someone down and kills someone.
This, this is courage.
Stop shooting that foot already what is wrong with you!
More autopilot crashes comming. "oh it's not autoppilot!"
How stupid are you people?
Must be an interesting beta release program. We can plot the death charts on the programmer wallboard to monitor progress.
Everyone, short TSLA! Ramble on about how Tesla sucks and is overvalued! I've got a few hundred shares I'm willing to loan anyone who is interested.
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Rei, where are you? People are talking bad about Tesla!
i heard the faggot survived, i.e. non-fatal heart attack
self-driving motorcycles. -tags head-
Reporting from Detroit. Software updates for cars in the field is my specialty. This is simply not true. Some recalls have a government push behind them, but many do not. Any in-field fix that is announced to customers is a recall. An in field fix that is only fixed when customers bring it up at the service desk is sometimes called a soft recall. That is nearly always voluntary, but even proper recalls are often voluntary.
Stay in your lane, within the speed limit and follow the law.
99% of motorcycle related fatalities are self inflicted.
Get it down to half and other people might worry about you too.
More brain-dead brainless motherfuckers dead in Teslas on Autopilot. They are idiots, fuck 'em, clean up the gene pool, Darwin Award, all that. I'm just waiting for the first moron on Autopilot to kill a person. An elderly person, a kid, whomever. We'll see how well it goes for the company. Pseudo-Auto-driving Uber Alles? Uber, uber, hmm.... Reminds me of something....
The premise is simply false. Tesla does not have a high rate of recalls. Go here. Punch in "2017 Tesla". Check out the recalls and investigations stats. Now punch in "2017 Mercedes". Note the difference.
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
Key word is "begin to". And just so you know, the real news is that with the last update, Tesla went in the other direction. It used to be that you could have your hands off the wheel for minutes at a time when conditions were good. After the update it's more like 15-20 seconds. A number of people are complaining.
BTW, Musk had a comment recently concerning motorcycles.
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
Meh. What's an extra 0.1% risk to a motorcyclist?
Get out there and live your dream!
No sig today...
Get a job and you too can own a car!
How many corpses need stacked infront of the Robot Idols before these corporations blood lust is satisfied ?
Work with your local and state government to ban Tesla and all driverless technology.
None of us have signed an agreement allowing us to become victims in your lab experiments.
Go kill people somewhere else.
Elon Musk will not spend 1 day in a prison after a full self-driving Tesla runs someone down and kills someone.
FTFY
Remember rich people don't go to prison, that's just for people who can't afford expensive lawyers.
Just surprised Tesla with all the bad press on these deaths don't provide a better solution then to offer a more improved auto pilot. What's even more surprising is that NHTSA has not required some sort of recall of the system given their own findings say something is definitely problematic with the auto pilot system.
The majority of motorcycle accidents are actually caused by a car or truck.
Like I said, just a warning... this time. Trump needs to watch his step.
Urm, I'm aware that you're a serial Tesla defender, and I'm fine with that - plenty of people here seemingly have shorted the stock.
But...not sure that comparing the number of recalls for the entire range of 2017 Mercedes vehicles is fair...
That's the theory, at least here in the UK. Sadly, from personal experience, it doesn't always work like that and the relevant authorities are not good at fixing oversights, sometimes with very dangerous results.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
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You apparently didn't follow the instructions I gave. When you do so, recalls are broken down by model.
Tesla:
Mercedes:
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
Those warnings are doing a real top rate job there. But Tesla has never taken safety seriously. They fire anyone that points out something is unsafe.
99% of motorcycle related fatalities are self inflicted.
A lot of motorcycle accidents happen at road junctions where the bike is not noticed by drivers of larger vehicles crossing its path, or when vehicles change lanes without their drivers properly checking for a bike already in the other lane. You can ride defensively to mitigate some of these risks, but ultimately if a driver in a larger vehicle does something dangerous because they didn't look properly and see you, there is only so much you can do, and you're inherently in a much more vulnerable position on a motorcycle.
I've heard that the insurance industry likes to argue that motorcyclists are the sole cause of many motorcycle crashes, but then the insurance industry is trying to avoid paying out for the drivers who forced the motorcycles off the road, so it's not exactly neutral here.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
The funny thing is that you actually seem to think that such comments are... what, offensive? Hurtful? Do elaborate on how sexual innuendo is supposed to be hurting my delicate widdle feelings. ;)
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
Teslahu akhbar.
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
Insurance companies know that motorcycles are very rarely at fault for accidents involving other vehicles.
If you don't believe me, look what liability only insurance costs on a motorcycle. I can do liability only on my S1000RR for 75 bucks a year. It becomes expensive when you want full coverage.
> They could simply be not taking responsibility for their problems compared to Tesla.
Put up or shut up. If there's something you know, let the NHTSA know. This is the sort of thing they go after.
Maybe you should be more aware of the easy digital footprint you leave. And those out there capable of translating to IRL.
FYI, this thread is about Tesla's autopilot.
Which has killed more people than the claimed Canadian "heart attack weapon".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
You apparently didn't follow the instructions I gave. When you do so, recalls are broken down by model.
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Hi Rei,
Interesting, but it's a little meaningless point as it is don't you think?
First, unless I'm wrong, the NHTSA only cover North America. Your exercise tell us that 13 Tesla 2017 were recalled compared to 64 Mercedes 2017 in the USA.
But we lack the total number of car sold in the USA by both companies. For instance, if Tesla sold 130 cars in 2017 compared to 6400 by Mercedes, then even if Tesla made 5 time less recall, the recall rate would still be 10 time higher than Mercedes.
Also, given your partisanism with Tesla (sorry Rei but you have to agree on that one), what tell us that you didn't chose Mercedes because it was the only luxury car brand with an higher recall rate than Tesla? Personally, I believe in you objectivity, but you have to give us more than that.
But SeaFox had a point, higher recall rate doesn't mean higher failure rate. My neighbor, who had a Model S 75D, just send back the the car to Tesla free of charge (not sure if it count for a recall or not) because the windshield jet didn't send the fluid equally on the passenger side. They even got a Model X for free to try during the repair (amazing windshield on that one).
Elok
Explain what you mean "translating to IRL"? With specifics.
Also explain what you mean by the word "those out there"
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
It will fully self drive you into the barrier ... you won't have to lift a finger! (or be able to, afterwards)
You'll find out.
You are aware that Tesla only makes 3 cars right? They don't even make all that many of them. While I'm aware that AMG (the "faaancy" Mercedes) is a German word that loosely translates as "money pit", this is an unfair comparison.
Sorry but "squids" negate your entire argument. If you are zipping around people's blind spots in-between lanes of traffic wearing shorts, a t-shirt and a DOT approved helmet I have zero pity for you when you eventually "merge" with a car.
Even if you are extremely vigilant about checking your corners and adjusting mirrors most modern cars have blind spots.
My Hondas have had adaptive cruise control for the past few years. They require driver steering wheel input after 10-15 seconds. This is a safety feature, it ensures the driver does not get into the habit of losing focus while behind the wheel.
I hope it doesn't change until 100% of cars on the road are self driving and the roads themselves (at least the main ones) follow industry standards for autonomous vehicles.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Is this a vagueness contest? Try again.
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
1) That was pre-update. Also, it's not clear whether the person was asleep or having a medical emergency.
2) From your second link:
I was watching this thing on TV about some guy named Hitler. Someone should stop him!
I think its a load of BS. Musk is the Trump of the car industry, diverting otherwise bad news with sensational stuff which is mostly untrue.
For instance, if Tesla sold 130 cars in 2017 compared to 6400 by Mercedes, then even if Tesla made 5 time less recall, the recall rate would still be 10 time higher than Mercedes.
That's ... not at all how that works. A recall is typically for an entire model year, not individual vehicles. It doesn't matter if you sell 10 vehicles of that type, or 10 million; you're recalling all of them ergo the recall rate is the same.
5 times less would be negative 4 times as many recalls. Unless there were zero it's a nonsense amount.
You are aware, the current autopilot feature isn't the same as autonomous driving?
The Autopilot feature was designed for drivers to still be vigilant however with their hands off the wheels, and in essence to keep the car on the road and in its lane, and avoid collision. It still needs a human driver, to regulate its decisions. This feature is nice when you are on a highway and in a safe easy driving condition, and you can help relax your eyes, and refocus yourself, knowing that you car will stay in the lane, and not drive off the road.
However if you are in an area with traffic, people, construction... You need to be smart enough to drive it yourself.
Autopilot is a safety feature much like cruse control, which realizes that we as humans have only so much attention that we can work with, and needs a way to relax our minds for a few minutes. So we are better prepared for more advanced problems in the future.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
It would depend on the business model of the company. Luxury/Sports car makers, will be more likely to do self imposed recalls, because their brand image is based on quality and perception. If they can fix a problem before it becomes an issue, then most likely the customer will not think poorly of the product, and when they get a new one, they will more likely go with the same company again.
If you are getting a more budget practical car, having a hinge fall of, or a wobbly sun-visor isn't a safety issue, and chances are the customer will not be loyal to that brand as much as the luxury makers. Sure my last two cars were Toyota's however there isn't anything wrong with my next car being a Honda, or some other brand. Being that I expect a particular build quality, which isn't fine tuned, but just acceptable and reliable.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
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Only stronk call Crom Cruach.
Not stronk enough. >:(
A lot of motorcycle accidents happen at road junctions where the bike is not noticed by drivers of larger vehicles crossing its path, or when vehicles change lanes without their drivers properly checking for a bike already in the other lane. You can ride defensively to mitigate some of these risks, but ultimately if a driver in a larger vehicle does something dangerous because they didn't look properly and see you, there is only so much you can do, and you're inherently in a much more vulnerable position on a motorcycle.
Well, yes ... in addition to being more vulnerable to damage, you are, while piloting a MUCH smaller vehicle, much harder to see in general.
I suppose that could be construed to be everyone else's fault, but that isn't really systems thinking ...
That's ... not at all how that works. A recall is typically for an entire model year, not individual vehicles. It doesn't matter if you sell 10 vehicles of that type, or 10 million; you're recalling all of them ergo the recall rate is the same.
No, that's not always how it works. It may be an entire model year, but it's typically sub-models of a particular model that are recalled based on the defect in question. Not every model made in a model year has the same parts, same vendor, etc.
This is accurate, but not relevant to the point of disagreement.
Solid point. Adding a broadcast system to motorcycles would be a starting point. Cars could add detectors and pop up a HUD warning with the location.
Which no one would buy. But if we also did it for cars, you could get a HUD display of all the traffic around you, and cars could relay conditions backward to prevent rear-endings.
Would need to be mandatory, and there are privacy implications. Hopefully it wouldn't have a permanent tracking ID. But it would.
Yup. He shoulda said "one-fifth as many".
Tesla is lying about the harassment to attempt to discredit him. It will fail because we have lots of evidence from multiple sources that Tesla is illegally lying about their accident reporting.
Maybe this is a cultural thing. I am in the UK, and in my entire life I have never seen a motorcyclist doing anything like what you described.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I live near Cambridge, UK, where not only do we have motorcyclists on the road, we also have a lot of cycling generally, with cycles often using quite narrow lanes further to the edge of the road than the normal driving line for larger vehicles. In a couple of decades of driving here, I have never managed to not see a cycle or motorcycle while I was pulling out of a junction in my car and cause a crash. Nor, as far as I'm aware, has any other driver I know. So yes, I think if someone manages to turn right out of a junction (i.e., across the path of traffic going right-to-left on our roads) in front of a cycle or motorcycle and causes a crash as a result, under normal conditions I'm going with it being 100% their fault.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
The problem for insurance companies is often the "accidents" that involved a motorcycle and another vehicle, but no actual collision between them. Car pulls out in front of motorcycle and the rider swerves to avoid it and loses control. Car changes lanes right in front of motorcycle coming up to overtake, and the rider brakes sharply and loses control.
The insurer for the car driver who actually caused the accident has every incentive to argue that the rider was at fault in such cases.
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That low liability rate doesn't mean they're rarely at fault. That means they rarely cause as much damage to other vehicles as cars, SUVs, & trucks do.
Even worse would trusting the many trolls on this site. None have a brain.
Exactly. To the best of my knowledge, Tesla has not had gov issued recalls. Otoh, regular car makers only have recalls if the gov forces it.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Change the clothing and I see plenty of that in the UK, even more so in London.
Liability cover damages you inflict on others, luckily for other guys you puny bike cannot do too much damage (unless you manage to accelerate to 150mph) in a collision. I guess your insurance is smarter than you are.
How do you think commercial jets land? Hint, I.L.S.
Thank you for admitting it. The "cafe racer" and higher power motorcycles (AFAIK) originated in the UK. While they were eventually eclipsed by "rice bikes" (Japanese performance motorcycles) they are the original authors of that segment. Early Harley-Davidson bikes (and even most modern ones) are simply cruisers, not speed machines. Indian had a few but were much less popular.
I'm unclear on the UK laws on "lane splitting" but it's perfectly legal here in the USA (In my state anyhow) and the only requirement is head gear. While sane people wear full leathers many dumb people pass on those, or even decent full face helmets. If you're going to pull that garbage I really hope you've filled out an organ donor card since your luck will eventually run out.
How do you think commercial jets land? Hint, I.L.S.
So they don't fly into the next available stationary object like Tesla does?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Watch for motorcycles...because they will cut you off.
They make BMW drivers look like grannies.
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