You're tellin' me! Two of the PCBs I designed use FPGAs, one of them a BGA package. It's quite the trade-off when choosing an oven profile that gets hot enough for long enough to melt the solder but not destroy the FPGA (stupid lead-free solder!). Lower temperatures would make our life a lot easier...
When you bring a magnet near a PC, the damage is done to magnetic recording media, not the chips. Silicon is not generally sensitive to magnetic fields. This guy has managed to put a video game controllers, keyboards, and mice inside an MRI bore. If those integrated circuits can work in a 3T magnetic field, I'm pretty sure it can survive this new magnetic assembly technique.
Actually, cows burp more methane than they fart. A lot more. You'd need to attach the balloons to cows mouths instead. Less disgusting, but still intractable if you want cows to, you know...eat.
Birth is also a fairly clear, definable, and measurable event. Arguably more definable than conception, since it is what goes on the legal certificates.
When dealing with the legal system, we must remember that criminal convictions require evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. First-trimester abortions would have quite a lot of reasonable doubt as to whether it could constitute a human (and, indeed, if you wish to try those folks for murder, you should add every IVF doctor and/or patient to your indictment as well). Second-trimester is where it gets far more gray, but by the third it's pretty much viable on its own and so it becomes much less gray.
That said, when Dr. Tiller was murdered, I remember reading about a few of his patients. As terrible as late-term abortion is, I can't help but think that in some instances, he had the moral high ground.
No helping me? You would put someone away for "murdering" a clump of cells which lacks even the potential to become a human being. You're willing to ruin people's lives because you've formed an immutable opinion before fully considering the complexity of the situations that can occur. You'd also end up banning in-vitro fertilization, because they do throw away lots of embryos.
You're the fundamentalist idealogue with his fingers in his ears screaming wrong at me while I take your definitions and show you how short-sighted they are. Distinct DNA led to chimeras, human DNA led to chromosomal abnormalities incompatible with human life.
Fortunately, society is mostly populated with people that are more reasonable than you, which is why it has generally adopted the view of "abortion is bad, but...alright...we'll try to change your mind, but definitely not into the third term"
If the DNA isn't human, it's not a human. If it is, it is. There's developing stages, but it's all human. Reaching a stage or not is irrelevant for that fact.
I'm talking about the ability to reach a stage, not whether it actually reaches that stage or not. I find it hard to believe that an embryo with massive chromosomal abnormalities incompatible with human life could still be considered "human".
Farmers. *shrugs*
It's obvious your line of reasoning is absurd, or you wouldn't have shrugged, or ignored the other half of my post.
Interesting how you can define a human being as other than a live organism with human DNA
Yes, it's such a travesty to suggest that perhaps it's not a human being until it can survive without a placenta. Interesting how you can define a clump of undifferentiated cells a human being just because of the DNA it contains, without regard to whether that DNA is a blueprint for a viable human. It has no mind with which to think. No heart with which to pump blood. No lungs with which to breathe. It cannot feel, see, or hear. Humans have more in common with my pet cat than a blastocyst.
Why don't you just admit that you have a preconceived notion - abortion is wrong - and you are going to repeatedly grab at any straw you can in an attempt to support your preconceived notion regardless of what the facts are?
I insist the comparison is flawed because removing chimera is not killing a whole being, whereas killing a zygote clearly is.
Careful about your terms. A pack of cells is only a zygote for the first few days. Then it's a blastocyst, then an embryo, then a fetus, then finally a baby.
You don't know that removing the chimera/mosaic nature of a being wouldn't kill it. The heart could be all descended from one cell line and the brain from another. You were the one who suggested the "distinct DNA" criteria, not me, so it is your burden to show that "distinct DNA" is a valid way of counting humans.
Zygote alone is a human being, I don't need it to grow into an embryo to establish that.
Chromosomal abnormalities regularly render human embryos incapable of growing into a viable fetus. These pregnancies are typically terminated by miscarriages. A woman could have an embryo with a chromosomal abnormality that would prevent it from ever becoming a human, and she could abort it before the miscarriage occurred. If the embryo never stood a chance of surviving, but was aborted anyway, would you still call it murder? That is why I said, "can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the embryo could become a viable fetus." How can you murder something that could never have become a human being?
I'm sorry, I missed any woman we were talking about.
That's weird, because I could have swore we were talking about 27-year-old Angie Jackson. You know, the woman in the video at the top of the page.
You think I'd care? You're still a "parasite".
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
If I am a parasite, what organism is my host?
we don't think that even feeding the third world is deserving of being fed
You say this as if you know whether or not I donate any money to charities which feed the poor and/or third world countries.
Don't mistake my being angry about your willful ignorance for being wrong.
See, the funny thing is, if you actually had a logical and rational argument that was supported with scientific facts, I would believe it in a heartbeat. Instead, you have nothing but your anger.
Is the elimination of chimera result in the being being killed?
I don't get how this is relevant. There are human beings with two distinct sets of DNA. If your qualification for "human being" is "distinct set of DNA", then chimeras are two people, and killing a chimera (or a mosaic) would result in two charges of murder.
You chose "distinct DNA" in an attempt to justify your position, without having carefully thought it out. That's not my fault. Come up with a better way of defining how a pack of undifferentiated cells is a human.
Because a murder of a first cell will.
You love this word, murder. Not all embryos survive to become a fetus, so if a non-viable embryo was aborted, would you still be screaming murder? Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the aborted embryo was in fact a viable embryo that would have grown into a human being?
See human kids are notorious for not being able to function on their own for several months *after* they are born.
This is such a horrendous distortion of my position that this blank stare is the only response it deserves. o.o
calling a baby that is being disgusting and inappropriate.
It wasn't a baby. It wasn't even a fetus. The woman aborted an embryo because the pregnancy would have probably killed her.
You're a parasite on the world's resources
You know nothing about me and what I do. If it makes you feel better to demonize me, go ahead. I have enough faith in my position that I don't need to call you names...I'm sorry that you lack such faith of your own.
Some humans have multiple distinct DNA types in their body. Ever heard of a chimera? If someone kills a chimera, can they be charged with two counts of murder?
As far as I'm concerned, if it can't exist outside of the womb, it's a parasite that requires a host body to survive. I don't care if the negative connotation of parasite insults your senses, because it doesn't change the fact that the cellular mass is incapable of surviving without the host from which it obtains nourishment. Once it can survive on its own, even if it is in an incubator requiring artificial machines, then you can call it a human being and killing it would be murder.
Did it have a name? Date of birth? Did it even have eyes, or a brain to feel with?
If you want to be anti-choice, that's fine. But until cells start to differentiate, it's not a human, not a baby, not even a fetus; it's a parasite that feeds off of its host. For all we know it might not even be viable.
People are already upset over the idea of the gummint telling them what they should and shouldn't eat through things like "fat taxes."
What's so bad about a fat/sugar tax? No one says what you are and aren't allowed to eat. If you want to stuff your face with twinkies, you still can, it just costs a little bit more.
If you don't want the tax, then how about we do away with all the corn subsidies?
I remember reading about a car that had a robotic face which would look upset if you were speeding or forgot your seat belt. They hypothesized that empathy might make people more willing to buckle up than a flashing red light and an annoying beep.
So I think your idea has quite a bit of merit, with puppies holding error messages with big cute eyes.
Just because neither provides a solution to big business does not mean we should just go for a small government that would just be pushed to the side. At least big business' partner has to pretend that they're going to hold them accountable every other year or three.
Normally I'm against such an abrasive attitude, but it was quite satisfying to read your rant. Market fundamentalists are like any other fundamentalist - shortsighted and foolish.
Right, because government officials are both more benevolent and competent than a private industry whose only concern is profits.
Of course, if you don't like government officials, I'm sure we can do away with the FDA. You trust manufacturers to put the right ingredients on the label, yeah?
I do believe his comment began with "dear market place fundamentalists and libertarians". As in, the people who believe the market will solve all problems. I don't think he was talking about anyone who rational and logical, like an actual libertarian.
Thank you for the very interesting information, I really appreciate it. I wonder, however, if the long term effects of radiation were accounted for. I suppose in the long term it was probably less lethal for the Japanese to be have a nuke dropped on them, but that doesn't make it too much easier to rationalize...
So if the US makes mistakes, and some of them are pretty terrible, what's so bad about comparing the US to China? The fact that such a comparison can evoke such a strong emotion from you gives away the fact that you know the comparison can at times be made validly.
Toaster is the classic sample code used when learning the Windows Driver Model (WDM). The vast majority of Windows drivers were probably built on top of the Toaster sample. My comment is supposed to be silly because you can't use a WDM in Linux.
Wow, I looked into the claim about killing 30 million of its citizens. I can't believe you'd use this as an example of their evil. From what I read, it looks like they just made some stupid decisions and it lead to widespread famine. Much different than taking 30m citizens out back and putting one between the eyes of each.
Finding examples of how China went off the deep end does not justify some of the terrible things that have been perpetrated in the name of the United States by "government" employees, some of which are comparable to some terrible things that China has done, especially if you consider how we treat people of other countries.
No one country has a monopoly on evil psychos. Yes, we're better than them, but still flawed. However, if playing "out of sight, out of mind" helps you sleep at night, then I'm sure any number of examples I could come up with won't affect your opinion.
Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Cornelius Rhoads. The Pellagra Incident. Operation Paperclip. Program F. MKULTRA. CIA LSD experiments, and other parts of the "CIA's Family Jewels". Funding the mujahideen that later grew up to be al-Qaeda. Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran in the 50s. Selling Saddam Hussein chemical weapons, knowing full well he would use them on the Iranians. Lying about Iraq's WMD. Dropping bombs on multiple wedding parties in Afghanistan (six the last time I checked). Dropping two nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan.
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You're tellin' me! Two of the PCBs I designed use FPGAs, one of them a BGA package. It's quite the trade-off when choosing an oven profile that gets hot enough for long enough to melt the solder but not destroy the FPGA (stupid lead-free solder!). Lower temperatures would make our life a lot easier...
When you bring a magnet near a PC, the damage is done to magnetic recording media, not the chips. Silicon is not generally sensitive to magnetic fields. This guy has managed to put a video game controllers, keyboards, and mice inside an MRI bore. If those integrated circuits can work in a 3T magnetic field, I'm pretty sure it can survive this new magnetic assembly technique.
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1 teragram = 1 102 311.31 short tons
Actually, cows burp more methane than they fart. A lot more. You'd need to attach the balloons to cows mouths instead. Less disgusting, but still intractable if you want cows to, you know...eat.
Birth is also a fairly clear, definable, and measurable event. Arguably more definable than conception, since it is what goes on the legal certificates.
When dealing with the legal system, we must remember that criminal convictions require evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. First-trimester abortions would have quite a lot of reasonable doubt as to whether it could constitute a human (and, indeed, if you wish to try those folks for murder, you should add every IVF doctor and/or patient to your indictment as well). Second-trimester is where it gets far more gray, but by the third it's pretty much viable on its own and so it becomes much less gray.
That said, when Dr. Tiller was murdered, I remember reading about a few of his patients. As terrible as late-term abortion is, I can't help but think that in some instances, he had the moral high ground.
No helping me? You would put someone away for "murdering" a clump of cells which lacks even the potential to become a human being. You're willing to ruin people's lives because you've formed an immutable opinion before fully considering the complexity of the situations that can occur. You'd also end up banning in-vitro fertilization, because they do throw away lots of embryos.
You're the fundamentalist idealogue with his fingers in his ears screaming wrong at me while I take your definitions and show you how short-sighted they are. Distinct DNA led to chimeras, human DNA led to chromosomal abnormalities incompatible with human life.
Fortunately, society is mostly populated with people that are more reasonable than you, which is why it has generally adopted the view of "abortion is bad, but...alright...we'll try to change your mind, but definitely not into the third term"
If the DNA isn't human, it's not a human. If it is, it is. There's developing stages, but it's all human. Reaching a stage or not is irrelevant for that fact.
I'm talking about the ability to reach a stage, not whether it actually reaches that stage or not. I find it hard to believe that an embryo with massive chromosomal abnormalities incompatible with human life could still be considered "human".
Farmers. *shrugs*
It's obvious your line of reasoning is absurd, or you wouldn't have shrugged, or ignored the other half of my post.
Interesting how you can define a human being as other than a live organism with human DNA
Yes, it's such a travesty to suggest that perhaps it's not a human being until it can survive without a placenta. Interesting how you can define a clump of undifferentiated cells a human being just because of the DNA it contains, without regard to whether that DNA is a blueprint for a viable human. It has no mind with which to think. No heart with which to pump blood. No lungs with which to breathe. It cannot feel, see, or hear. Humans have more in common with my pet cat than a blastocyst.
Why don't you just admit that you have a preconceived notion - abortion is wrong - and you are going to repeatedly grab at any straw you can in an attempt to support your preconceived notion regardless of what the facts are?
I insist the comparison is flawed because removing chimera is not killing a whole being, whereas killing a zygote clearly is.
Careful about your terms. A pack of cells is only a zygote for the first few days. Then it's a blastocyst, then an embryo, then a fetus, then finally a baby.
You don't know that removing the chimera/mosaic nature of a being wouldn't kill it. The heart could be all descended from one cell line and the brain from another. You were the one who suggested the "distinct DNA" criteria, not me, so it is your burden to show that "distinct DNA" is a valid way of counting humans.
Zygote alone is a human being, I don't need it to grow into an embryo to establish that.
Chromosomal abnormalities regularly render human embryos incapable of growing into a viable fetus. These pregnancies are typically terminated by miscarriages. A woman could have an embryo with a chromosomal abnormality that would prevent it from ever becoming a human, and she could abort it before the miscarriage occurred. If the embryo never stood a chance of surviving, but was aborted anyway, would you still call it murder? That is why I said, "can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the embryo could become a viable fetus." How can you murder something that could never have become a human being?
I'm sorry, I missed any woman we were talking about.
That's weird, because I could have swore we were talking about 27-year-old Angie Jackson. You know, the woman in the video at the top of the page.
You think I'd care? You're still a "parasite".
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
If I am a parasite, what organism is my host?
we don't think that even feeding the third world is deserving of being fed
You say this as if you know whether or not I donate any money to charities which feed the poor and/or third world countries.
Don't mistake my being angry about your willful ignorance for being wrong.
See, the funny thing is, if you actually had a logical and rational argument that was supported with scientific facts, I would believe it in a heartbeat. Instead, you have nothing but your anger.
Is the elimination of chimera result in the being being killed?
I don't get how this is relevant. There are human beings with two distinct sets of DNA. If your qualification for "human being" is "distinct set of DNA", then chimeras are two people, and killing a chimera (or a mosaic) would result in two charges of murder.
You chose "distinct DNA" in an attempt to justify your position, without having carefully thought it out. That's not my fault. Come up with a better way of defining how a pack of undifferentiated cells is a human.
Because a murder of a first cell will.
You love this word, murder. Not all embryos survive to become a fetus, so if a non-viable embryo was aborted, would you still be screaming murder? Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the aborted embryo was in fact a viable embryo that would have grown into a human being?
See human kids are notorious for not being able to function on their own for several months *after* they are born.
This is such a horrendous distortion of my position that this blank stare is the only response it deserves. o.o
calling a baby that is being disgusting and inappropriate.
It wasn't a baby. It wasn't even a fetus. The woman aborted an embryo because the pregnancy would have probably killed her.
You're a parasite on the world's resources
You know nothing about me and what I do. If it makes you feel better to demonize me, go ahead. I have enough faith in my position that I don't need to call you names...I'm sorry that you lack such faith of your own.
Some humans have multiple distinct DNA types in their body. Ever heard of a chimera? If someone kills a chimera, can they be charged with two counts of murder?
As far as I'm concerned, if it can't exist outside of the womb, it's a parasite that requires a host body to survive. I don't care if the negative connotation of parasite insults your senses, because it doesn't change the fact that the cellular mass is incapable of surviving without the host from which it obtains nourishment. Once it can survive on its own, even if it is in an incubator requiring artificial machines, then you can call it a human being and killing it would be murder.
Did it have a name? Date of birth? Did it even have eyes, or a brain to feel with?
If you want to be anti-choice, that's fine. But until cells start to differentiate, it's not a human, not a baby, not even a fetus; it's a parasite that feeds off of its host. For all we know it might not even be viable.
People are already upset over the idea of the gummint telling them what they should and shouldn't eat through things like "fat taxes."
What's so bad about a fat/sugar tax? No one says what you are and aren't allowed to eat. If you want to stuff your face with twinkies, you still can, it just costs a little bit more.
If you don't want the tax, then how about we do away with all the corn subsidies?
Include cussing or other language that is likely to get the user's attention.
"Your network connection is fucked." Easy to understand, and will grab your users' attention.
I remember reading about a car that had a robotic face which would look upset if you were speeding or forgot your seat belt. They hypothesized that empathy might make people more willing to buckle up than a flashing red light and an annoying beep.
So I think your idea has quite a bit of merit, with puppies holding error messages with big cute eyes.
Just because neither provides a solution to big business does not mean we should just go for a small government that would just be pushed to the side. At least big business' partner has to pretend that they're going to hold them accountable every other year or three.
Normally I'm against such an abrasive attitude, but it was quite satisfying to read your rant. Market fundamentalists are like any other fundamentalist - shortsighted and foolish.
Right, because government officials are both more benevolent and competent than a private industry whose only concern is profits.
Of course, if you don't like government officials, I'm sure we can do away with the FDA. You trust manufacturers to put the right ingredients on the label, yeah?
I do believe his comment began with "dear market place fundamentalists and libertarians". As in, the people who believe the market will solve all problems. I don't think he was talking about anyone who rational and logical, like an actual libertarian.
It seemed as if Mao was trying to unite the peasants, not kill them. He just fucked up and made too many guns and not enough butter.
Thank you for the very interesting information, I really appreciate it. I wonder, however, if the long term effects of radiation were accounted for. I suppose in the long term it was probably less lethal for the Japanese to be have a nuke dropped on them, but that doesn't make it too much easier to rationalize...
So if the US makes mistakes, and some of them are pretty terrible, what's so bad about comparing the US to China? The fact that such a comparison can evoke such a strong emotion from you gives away the fact that you know the comparison can at times be made validly.
*whoosh*
Toaster is the classic sample code used when learning the Windows Driver Model (WDM). The vast majority of Windows drivers were probably built on top of the Toaster sample. My comment is supposed to be silly because you can't use a WDM in Linux.
Wow, I looked into the claim about killing 30 million of its citizens. I can't believe you'd use this as an example of their evil. From what I read, it looks like they just made some stupid decisions and it lead to widespread famine. Much different than taking 30m citizens out back and putting one between the eyes of each.
Finding examples of how China went off the deep end does not justify some of the terrible things that have been perpetrated in the name of the United States by "government" employees, some of which are comparable to some terrible things that China has done, especially if you consider how we treat people of other countries.
No one country has a monopoly on evil psychos. Yes, we're better than them, but still flawed. However, if playing "out of sight, out of mind" helps you sleep at night, then I'm sure any number of examples I could come up with won't affect your opinion.
Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Cornelius Rhoads. The Pellagra Incident. Operation Paperclip. Program F. MKULTRA. CIA LSD experiments, and other parts of the "CIA's Family Jewels". Funding the mujahideen that later grew up to be al-Qaeda. Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran in the 50s. Selling Saddam Hussein chemical weapons, knowing full well he would use them on the Iranians. Lying about Iraq's WMD. Dropping bombs on multiple wedding parties in Afghanistan (six the last time I checked). Dropping two nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan.
Copy the Ethernet driver code, and use it as a base.
Nonono. You're supposed to use the Toaster sample as a base.