In fact, the "1000-year-empire" (das Tausendjährige Reich, as the Nazis liked to call it) only lasted about 12 years (1933-'45). Their ideology was developed in the mid-20's, however the mass-murder part was in WW2 ('39-'45), so you could claim the ideology lasted about 20 years, but certainly not persecution.
in the past 35 centuries, probably close to a billion jews have been killed
You might be overestimating the numbers. Remember that before the industrial revolution, population density was much much lower everywhere. Up until very recent times (from a historical point of view), cities with more than a few tens of K inhabitants were extremely few and far between.
I think many will disagree but there's no point breaking RC5 or any other cryptographic key. We already know that it's possible. It's like breaking a glass. The only question is if it will break with the first hit... or how long it will take to break the key - we already know it'll happen sooner or later anyway. If we weren't breaking the key with brute force it could be more interesting...
You missed the point. It's not cracking the code that matters, the whole d.net project is a political demonstration of the comparative brute force crackability of RC5 vs. DES, possibly vs. some other code when RC5 is done.
Or failing that, I'm sure we could muster a few grand to just send a few kilo's of each person into space...;)
Very good idea! That would save LOTS of money!
Of course, we'd have to think of a suitable part to take those kilo's from - what about the topmost part? I'm quite sure those heads wouldn't be missed down here...
Helium doesn't lift as well... but it doesn't need to, because the construction materials have all improved & gotten lighter since the 1930's.
IIRC, they wouldn't have used hydrogen if the US hadn't cornered the helium market - they couldn't get enough safe lifting-gas in Nazi Germany, so they used what they knew to be unsafe.
Now, however, Zeppelins are built once again AFAIK, using all the advantages you mentioned.
In fact, MetaModeration is an easy way to boost your karma while it's low. You may want to read the m2 section in the/. FAQ (not compulsory), then just metamoderate - all logged in users can metamoderate once a day, instructions are on the metamoderation page.
The aim of metamoderation is to throw out bad moderators by reducing their karma. If your own karma is low, you may be rewarded for your trouble in karma points.
Don't expect to be able to teach anyone how to pronounce "ch" or "ü" without audio examples and feedback on their own attempts. "ch" is especially hard because its pronounciation varies with the preceding vowel (a,o,u vs. e,i,ä,ö,ü or blank).
I shall not comment on your Nazi posing. It would deserve a -1 handicap - -2 even (effectively destroying your offending login name).
I will, however, state that you are not representative of the average german population (as if anyone would suspect that), much as Timothy McVeigh is not representative of the average USian population.
Obviously, they filmed their alien starship from the moon, first showing some of the things left behind, as well as a footprint. I couldn't recognize whose shoe size it was, though.
It's so nice - just come over to Germany, and pay whatever it says on the price tag - no additional tax - in fact, 16% sales tax is preincluded in the "14,95" here, this is required by law. ;o)
I don't think you are doing Homer justice. In fact, his works were to ancient Greeks what the Bible is to us, or rather, what the Bible was to, say, medieval people to whom it was not just a revered source of deep wisdom, but a factual account of the history of the world and trustable to such an extent that doubt would only be considered folly (besides constituting glaring heresy), and research in the Bible the most obvious way to find things out.
We do not know what their religion may have been like before Homer collected their myths to assemble his version.
Generally, I disagree with the popular sport of Katz-bashing. In this case, however, things are different. No US laws restricting any freedoms relevant to Internet could have prevented what happened. Mass media will try to make you believe otherwise, as will the gouvernment. They don't do that because it will help in the battle against terrorism, but because it is in their own best interest. I suppose Katz has watched TV too much, influencing him to change his mind this way. Look out, Jon, you have been brainwashed! Don't listen to him, he is infectuous!
There are enough volunteers here in the US that would probably be willing to go over and help rebuild. Plenty of patriotic americans that are muslim as well. Send them over as the teachers while the rest of us build roads, factories, and more. Build their economy from nothing to something. Take 10-15 years to do so. Just like in Europe and in Japan.
Then transition things back into their hands like we did before...and leave. well off people rarely rise in revolt.
Let the people who want to die fighting us, do so...those that want to live, live.
Then we can work our 'infamous' reconstruction project and go home. It would be great - and amusing - to see Afghanistan as one of the top 4 economies in the world.;)
No, sorry. You're confusing your apples and oranges here.
True, both Germany and Japan were destroyed, then rebuilt with your help, and now are among the strongest economies.
BUT these countries were among the strongest before. The potential within the population to support all the industries on a level competitive to the global market is as scarce as oil in the ground, and hard to build from scratch. If you wanted to build up a strong economy in Afghanistan, you'd probably have to wait until it could be run entirely by people trained by yourself.
Both Germany and Nippon have a cultural background facilitating industrial growth to a point where leaders thought they could occupy half of the world with their armies, and nearly even succeeded in doing so!
You seem to forget that when the US entered WW2, enormous regions were controlled by these relatively small countries, without hope of shaking them off without outside help.
Fortunately, this is not the case now, and thinking Afghanistan could support that in its present state would be ridiculous.
In defense of Jon Katz, technology will most certainly play a pivotal role in the intelligence gathering (although I definitely hope we invest more money, time and effort in HUMINT). It will also be big in any kind of attack. A large part of the reason our Special Forces are so effective is their superior helicopters, our planes achieve dominance because of their better technology. Saying that the technological portions of this battle will not be significant would be terribly naive.
Historically, better technology has always been a major part in winning a war - the other part generally was better organization. Alexander or the Romans didn't build their empires on luck or coincidence, or being the strongest player from the beginning, but on technological advantage.
You don't need to break crypto if what you need to know is told to you by
renegades disagreeing with their own organization's insanity.
About 10 hrs ago, before I went to work (I live in Europe) I wrote what I
had just heard on local radio (all the media is still full of the events,
of course - the campaigns for next week's elections for probably a new mayor
of Hamburg have been interrupted) and submitted it as a/. story, which was
later rejected - I shall now post it as a comment, in case anyone is
interested.
Apparently, CIA may have been warned immediately before the attack.
According to german newspaper Hannoversche Neue
Presse (article in german - it was already slashdotted this morning, or
so I think), an Iranian imprisoned in Hannover, Germany (Langenhagen, near
the airport) has been reported to have called CIA officials to warn about the
imminent assault. When they heard he was calling from jail, they just hung
up. Subsequently, he desperately tried to get a fax through to GWB.
It is a shock. The tracks of terror also lead to Hanover: An Iranian
extradiction prisoner in Langenhagen wanted to warn the american president
and his secret service. Nobody took him serious.
Mystery around Ali S. (29) from Iran. The man who entered Germany
illegally weeks ago. He had been arrested by the police in Goslar and was to
be sent back by November 6. For one month he pressed officials of the
extradiction detention Langenhagen.
"I have got important information for the USA", he told JVA officials. He
must call there urgently.
Finally, he was permitted. Consequence: In the White House [the phone] was
hung up when Ali S. identified himself as a prisoner.
For the Secret Service the warnings of the man were only twaddle. Ali S. had
however specifically named this week for assaults that would "change the
world order".
The Iranian was estimated in Langenhagen as psychologically unstable. He
however did not relent, on passed Friday he urgently contacted the responsible
chief of department. He said he knew that in the coming week something would
happen.
Hours before the two machines rammed the towers of the World Trade Center
and an airplane fell on Pentagon, Ali S. still spoke about information on
an endangerment of the world order. He wanted to send a fax to the
American president. That was rejected. The JVA Langenhagen thought he was
just posing.
After NP information the investigators now assume the Iranian actually looked
for contact to governmental institutions of the USA. It is possible that
he had information which could be important for investigation on the
assaults.
Only on Wednesday the Ministry of Justice of Lower Saxony learned of the
telephone calls. The Ministry of the Interior in Hanover was informed. It
contacted the Schily Ministry (Schily is the German Minister of the Interior
(is it really called that? well, he is responsible for all police and
prisons)) in Berlin.
On Thursday Secret Service agents and Chief Federal Prosecutor interrogated
the Iranian. Results unknown.
LANGENHAGEN, BY KLAUS GEMBOLIS"
Seems like someone among the terrorists' own ranks didn't think their plans
were a good idea...
Seems also that breaking crypto wouldn't have been able to tell them anything
they couldn't find out by other means.
Kiwaiti
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I for one wouldn't be surprised:
Bush cannot be trusted to spell his own name
even if he could, whatever he is about to say should be double-checked, as it carries a lot of weight, especially in such circumstances as these.
Kiwaiti
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Yesterday, immediately after the attack, it was hard to think anything but "nuke the middle east
back into stone age", which seemed to fit the would-be nukees' level of
cultural development.
Today, having calmed down a little, I have been thinking about feasible ways
to prevent such acts of terrorism.
Experts seem to agree that security measures can never completely prevent a
determined, well organized attempt involving suicide killers.
Never being fully secure, maybe we could still make pulling off something like
this hard enough so it won't happen again. Please share your ideas.
One thing I read on/. was "physically separate the pilots from the
passenger cabin". I think that would make it a lot harder. It could be
improved by adding security personnel in plain clothes (preferably
Constable Angua von Überwald;o) israeli-style.
This act was obviously planned by a close and disciplined group. Such groups
need money to operate. It has been suggested that Osama Bin Laden be involved
in this. Regardless, he is definitely actively supporting terrorism, which is
what we are trying to make more difficult.
IIRC, Bin Laden is a sort of rich businessman from Saudi-Arabia. Probably he
still owns some company (or companies), drawing his income from it (or them).
The huge, illegal, (nonexistant) cartels of (nonexistant) multinational
corporations (not) governing virtually all international trade all (don't)
have well established procedures (not) to crush possible competitors.
Considering the degree of interdependency in our economy and the fact that
the WTC housed some quite influential offices, Bin Ladens commercial efforts
might suddenly prove unfit for competition on global markets, as did many
others, surprising unsuspecting watchers.
Apparently, he gets lots of cash from fund-raising organizations operating
in rich (read: G7) countries. Could these be found out, their efforts proved
illegal, their money confiscated?
These methods could be used against multiple targets. They seem to involve
less martyr potential than nukes. Any other suggestions?
Japan was ready to surrender before the bombs fell, and especially after Little Boy. You may debate about Hiroshima, but Fat Man (Nagasaki) definitely wasn't necessary and couldn't even appear to be.
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In fact, the "1000-year-empire" (das Tausendjährige Reich, as the Nazis liked to call it) only lasted about 12 years (1933-'45). Their ideology was developed in the mid-20's, however the mass-murder part was in WW2 ('39-'45), so you could claim the ideology lasted about 20 years, but certainly not persecution.
in the past 35 centuries, probably close to a billion jews have been killed
You might be overestimating the numbers. Remember that before the industrial revolution, population density was much much lower everywhere. Up until very recent times (from a historical point of view), cities with more than a few tens of K inhabitants were extremely few and far between.
Kiwaiti
No problem; so was/do I. But Isamu is humanoid!
Kiwaiti
You missed the point. It's not cracking the code that matters, the whole d.net project is a political demonstration of the comparative brute force crackability of RC5 vs. DES, possibly vs. some other code when RC5 is done.
Kiwaiti
Very good idea! That would save LOTS of money!
Of course, we'd have to think of a suitable part to take those kilo's from - what about the topmost part? I'm quite sure those heads wouldn't be missed down here...
Kiwaiti
Now, however, Zeppelins are built once again AFAIK, using all the advantages you mentioned.
Kiwaiti
The aim of metamoderation is to throw out bad moderators by reducing their karma. If your own karma is low, you may be rewarded for your trouble in karma points.
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti
I shall not comment on your Nazi posing. It would deserve a -1 handicap - -2 even (effectively destroying your offending login name).
I will, however, state that you are not representative of the average german population (as if anyone would suspect that), much as Timothy McVeigh is not representative of the average USian population.
Kiwaiti
Haven't you ever watched "Independence Day"?!?!
Obviously, they filmed their alien starship from the moon, first showing some of the things left behind, as well as a footprint. I couldn't recognize whose shoe size it was, though.
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti
Just to be pedantic: It's probably "condescending, pedantic" - otherwise it might make ppl think of pending condensation.
;o)
clueless AC troll
accurate description
Kiwaiti
But then, of course, you don't know me.
Kiwaiti
We do not know what their religion may have been like before Homer collected their myths to assemble his version.
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti
He's rich, but he isn't that rich.
Kiwaiti
Now that's really mean - but he's old enough to be impotent anyway.
Kiwaiti
No, sorry. You're confusing your apples and oranges here.
True, both Germany and Japan were destroyed, then rebuilt with your help, and now are among the strongest economies.
BUT these countries were among the strongest before. The potential within the population to support all the industries on a level competitive to the global market is as scarce as oil in the ground, and hard to build from scratch. If you wanted to build up a strong economy in Afghanistan, you'd probably have to wait until it could be run entirely by people trained by yourself.
Both Germany and Nippon have a cultural background facilitating industrial growth to a point where leaders thought they could occupy half of the world with their armies, and nearly even succeeded in doing so!
You seem to forget that when the US entered WW2, enormous regions were controlled by these relatively small countries, without hope of shaking them off without outside help.
Fortunately, this is not the case now, and thinking Afghanistan could support that in its present state would be ridiculous.
You are just expecting too much.
Kiwaiti
Historically, better technology has always been a major part in winning a war - the other part generally was better organization. Alexander or the Romans didn't build their empires on luck or coincidence, or being the strongest player from the beginning, but on technological advantage.
Kiwaiti
It's quite possible, current algorithms just aren't optimized to do it.
Kiwaiti
About 10 hrs ago, before I went to work (I live in Europe) I wrote what I had just heard on local radio (all the media is still full of the events, of course - the campaigns for next week's elections for probably a new mayor of Hamburg have been interrupted) and submitted it as a /. story, which was
later rejected - I shall now post it as a comment, in case anyone is
interested.
Apparently, CIA may have been warned immediately before the attack. According to german newspaper Hannoversche Neue Presse (article in german - it was already slashdotted this morning, or so I think), an Iranian imprisoned in Hannover, Germany (Langenhagen, near the airport) has been reported to have called CIA officials to warn about the imminent assault. When they heard he was calling from jail, they just hung up. Subsequently, he desperately tried to get a fax through to GWB.
Attempt at correction of a babelfish translation follows.
Seems like someone among the terrorists' own ranks didn't think their plans were a good idea...Seems also that breaking crypto wouldn't have been able to tell them anything they couldn't find out by other means.
Kiwaiti
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Bush cannot be trusted to spell his own name
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even if he could, whatever he is about to say should be double-checked, as it carries a lot of weight, especially in such circumstances as these.
KiwaitiToday, having calmed down a little, I have been thinking about feasible ways to prevent such acts of terrorism.
Experts seem to agree that security measures can never completely prevent a determined, well organized attempt involving suicide killers. Never being fully secure, maybe we could still make pulling off something like this hard enough so it won't happen again. Please share your ideas.
One thing I read on /. was "physically separate the pilots from the
passenger cabin". I think that would make it a lot harder. It could be
improved by adding security personnel in plain clothes (preferably
Constable Angua von Überwald ;o) israeli-style.
This act was obviously planned by a close and disciplined group. Such groups need money to operate. It has been suggested that Osama Bin Laden be involved in this. Regardless, he is definitely actively supporting terrorism, which is what we are trying to make more difficult.
IIRC, Bin Laden is a sort of rich businessman from Saudi-Arabia. Probably he still owns some company (or companies), drawing his income from it (or them). The huge, illegal, (nonexistant) cartels of (nonexistant) multinational corporations (not) governing virtually all international trade all (don't) have well established procedures (not) to crush possible competitors. Considering the degree of interdependency in our economy and the fact that the WTC housed some quite influential offices, Bin Ladens commercial efforts might suddenly prove unfit for competition on global markets, as did many others, surprising unsuspecting watchers.
Apparently, he gets lots of cash from fund-raising organizations operating in rich (read: G7) countries. Could these be found out, their efforts proved illegal, their money confiscated?
These methods could be used against multiple targets. They seem to involve less martyr potential than nukes. Any other suggestions?
Kiwaiti
Kiwaiti