You're promoting what I would call a "Wizard of Oz" mentality. Never, ever, ever look behind the curtain because the truth may be more suprising than the threat.
WTF? Do you really live in a world with such a sucker mentality? Perhaps your ivory tower is so high that you don't need to worry about it? "Don't worry, this works exactly the way I say it does, don't ask questions, just trust me..." is the most alarming thing you'll ever hear. If that statement doesn't fire up your suspicion circuits then, I have to say, you are ripe for the picking by every con-man in the world.
Witch doctors? Jinxes? I read the entire linked article and didn't see any of that.
Why don't you go form the Society for the Extermination of Allegorical Speech if it bothers you so much? If you want your world to be 100% cut and pasted with the driest language possible then you're welcome to it. Many of us derive a measure of amusement when someone dresses up their summary.
You're just the kind of person that I'd love to kick in the nuts. I bet you go all apeshit laughing yourself to stitches when someone's bashing homeless bums, unemployed slackers, pony-tailed hippies, and conspiracy theorist nutjobs... but the moment someone pokes fun at your precious business establishment then you go drier than a dead crab's reproductive canal.
Go die already... and take your dull gray world with you.
I think the better approach is for you to tell me what business insurance does cover... and then I can tell you how the top corporate officers spun the situation to collect.
Not everyone. Many people knew the game ahead of time and had their exit strategy planned. The CxOs had their business insurance. The investment brokers knew how to sell the funds that would ultimately fail to the less priveleged brokers. In the end the money was raked in by the folks at the top while the losses were lumped onto the insurance companies--who then distributed the losses by raising rates on health, auto, and home insurance.
Funny you put it this way. We have laws against stalking yet, reading the posts in this article, people are supporting an employer's right to stalk potential employees as much as they want.
Screw it. Employers need to be instructed, forcibly or painfully if necessary, that workers are human beings who do stuff and don't like high-handed bullshit techniques employed by a ruling class.
See you at the campsites. I was run out for the same reason.
So basically you're a paranoid social Nazi who, somehow, believes that people should do nothing but go home and stare at the walls or cuddle up with a good book?
WTF kind of society do you want? Dead people? Jumping Jesus H. Christ on a fucking pogo stick...
Completely ignoring everything we know about basic human behavior, psychology, and neurochemistry. It's a effort:reward machanism. Once I'm baked I'm more likely to concentrate on my job because my reward mechanism has been satisfied. If I'm not baked then I'm not thinking about my job because the prevailing thought in my head is,"What's the fucking point? My salary sucks."
Alcohol isn't the same way. Alcohol really limits the ability to think. But getting baked? Best thing since the horsewhip for an employer, if you ask me.
But you just go ahead and spread your ignorant bullshit. Your kind has been getting along quite well for the last 100 years.
> if they had a drug habbit that prevented them doing their job to the best of their ability
Bullshit. This promotes the following situation:
You: "Holy shit. You just sorted completed the project 50% ahead of schedule with 150% performance. If you weren't smoking marijuana, I bet you could double it!"
Me: "Yeah. Probably. How about you double my salary and I'll think about it... as long as we both recognize I just leveled your expectations."
You: "Why you ungrateful little pothead! You're lucky I even give you a job! You're fired."
> I have no patience with pot smokers, their actions are not always clear and logical
Funny you should say that. I have no patience with idiots because their actions are never clear or logical.
I've met lots of idiots. Some of them smoke pot, some of them don't. To be certain, though, a far greater percentage of people who don't smoke pot are likely to be idiots. If an idiot smokes pot their less likely to be actively destructive. Sure, they may be as useful as a bump on a log, but an idiot who doesn't smoke pot is more likely to think they're useful and run around fucking everything up.
Somewhere next to the FBI's black book and the national HR database I bet there's also a book of "Online Aliases of the American Citizenry"--complete with IP address and ISP membership logs.
How much do you trust that +d setting? Is that a server side or client side setting? Are you completely positive there are no exploits in the 'bot code?
The exploitation of the server administrative 'bot has, in the past, been used to spy/stalk on users of interest by priveleged operators (and even unpriveleged opers, via exploit). I wouldn't so sure that all holes have been sealed up.
If the opers had fun harrassing a user using an administrative exploit then, truly, if they claim the "hole has been patched" you really have to wonder.
You're assuming that the employer is at least semi-reasonble. You're not thinking about this from the proper point of view: the company is deliberately screwing their employees.
At the last two jobs, I did what you hold so highly. I turned in my resignation. In both cases the response from HR was,"We're sorry. We cannot accept your resignation. Instead we're going to fire you." Now, what can you do? If you're walking away from what was obviously a bad job, you don't have tens of thousands of dollars saved up, and lawyers, frankly, do not give a shit. The HR department can write up all of the papers that it needs, literally fabricate them out of thin air, to make a case that they terminated with cause. Try claiming unemployment? Denied. Why? "Denied due to termination." But I wasn't terminated. I resigned. "Sorry, that's not what the company reports."
You're trying to make your points as if there's some sort of rules of honesty, fairness, and justice that a company is required to follow. They're not, and when they want to screw you over, they can. If you happen to be the sort of person who is socially well-connected or has a measure of personal independent wealth they do not screw you over because they know that you can fight back. If, however, you are identified as an easy target without an external support system then you have no chance.
How naive can you be? What ivory tower do you live in?
Can't be done. Once the company is through running their employees out the door they label them as bad in HR databases. Don't give me that crap about wrongful dismissal or slander claims. Lawyers don't give a rat's ass unless you already have a pile of money to donate to them.
No. Here in America we've got our own little system for fucking people over. If you've got it good well then more power to you. Don't act like your lucky lot in life is the same for everyone.
The guy who lives next door is severely burned from his waist up. His entire chest is gone. His neck is one big scar. Half his face is gone. His left ear was completely burned away and had to be reconstructd and that wasn't done real well--his ear looks like Shrek. Half his right hand is mutilated. His arms are burned such that he has no muscle mass. In short, he's ugly as sin. He was burned when he was two years old. When he was released from the hospital the state gave custody of him back to his father--the same father he was living with when he was burned. There was no police investigation into the matter. His father's story is,"We don't know what happened. You were playing with a pack of matches." The story from his mother's side of the family is,"We don't know. We thought you were burned with aftershave or perfume." The pattern of the scars, specifically the fact that his left ear is totally gone but his hairline is fine, looks more like he was doused with hot grease.
Where was the state or the police for him? Shit... you can get time in prison for doing less harm to your dog. In this poor bastard's case the police just shrugged and said,"Eh. Let's go have another donut." The state didn't bother with any more than the most cursory investigation of the matter. The guy's life is complete crap. People treat him like dog shit. What did the police, or the state, or any attorneys ever do for him? Not a fucking thing.
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You should switch charitable foundation with money laundering front.
Most of the money they donate ends up in the hands of lobbying groups, middlemen, politicians, and lawyers.
When you're giving away that $28 billion to organizations which you, or your business compadres, already control it makes perfect sense.
See, for example this guy.
There is always an ulterior motive and, in today's US, multimillion dollar charity is just a PR front for the pyramid scheme.
For some reason thinking about a 2 petatonne olive just set me off. I'm going to be grinning for the rest of the night.
I have nothing to hide but perhaps you could tell me why the last three packages that I received via FedEx were opened before I received them?
You're promoting what I would call a "Wizard of Oz" mentality. Never, ever, ever look behind the curtain because the truth may be more suprising than the threat.
WTF? Do you really live in a world with such a sucker mentality? Perhaps your ivory tower is so high that you don't need to worry about it? "Don't worry, this works exactly the way I say it does, don't ask questions, just trust me..." is the most alarming thing you'll ever hear. If that statement doesn't fire up your suspicion circuits then, I have to say, you are ripe for the picking by every con-man in the world.
You're just the kind of person that I'd love to kick in the nuts. I bet you go all apeshit laughing yourself to stitches when someone's bashing homeless bums, unemployed slackers, pony-tailed hippies, and conspiracy theorist nutjobs... but the moment someone pokes fun at your precious business establishment then you go drier than a dead crab's reproductive canal.
Go die already... and take your dull gray world with you.
I think the better approach is for you to tell me what business insurance does cover... and then I can tell you how the top corporate officers spun the situation to collect.
> Stupid people throw their money around
No... stupid people throw other people's money around. Funded mostly by 401(k) funds.
> AT the end everyone got burnt
Not everyone. Many people knew the game ahead of time and had their exit strategy planned. The CxOs had their business insurance. The investment brokers knew how to sell the funds that would ultimately fail to the less priveleged brokers. In the end the money was raked in by the folks at the top while the losses were lumped onto the insurance companies--who then distributed the losses by raising rates on health, auto, and home insurance.
hurrah for the stalker society
> some sad-sack snooper in human resources
Funny you put it this way. We have laws against stalking yet, reading the posts in this article, people are supporting an employer's right to stalk potential employees as much as they want.
Screw it. Employers need to be instructed, forcibly or painfully if necessary, that workers are human beings who do stuff and don't like high-handed bullshit techniques employed by a ruling class.
See you at the campsites. I was run out for the same reason.
So basically you're a paranoid social Nazi who, somehow, believes that people should do nothing but go home and stare at the walls or cuddle up with a good book?
WTF kind of society do you want? Dead people? Jumping Jesus H. Christ on a fucking pogo stick...
Completely ignoring everything we know about basic human behavior, psychology, and neurochemistry. It's a effort:reward machanism. Once I'm baked I'm more likely to concentrate on my job because my reward mechanism has been satisfied. If I'm not baked then I'm not thinking about my job because the prevailing thought in my head is,"What's the fucking point? My salary sucks."
Alcohol isn't the same way. Alcohol really limits the ability to think. But getting baked? Best thing since the horsewhip for an employer, if you ask me.
But you just go ahead and spread your ignorant bullshit. Your kind has been getting along quite well for the last 100 years.
> if they had a drug habbit that prevented them doing their job to the best of their ability
Bullshit. This promotes the following situation:
You: "Holy shit. You just sorted completed the project 50% ahead of schedule with 150% performance. If you weren't smoking marijuana, I bet you could double it!"
Me: "Yeah. Probably. How about you double my salary and I'll think about it... as long as we both recognize I just leveled your expectations."
You: "Why you ungrateful little pothead! You're lucky I even give you a job! You're fired."
Nothing's ever good enough for jag-offs like you.
> I have no patience with pot smokers, their actions are not always clear and logical
Funny you should say that. I have no patience with idiots because their actions are never clear or logical.
I've met lots of idiots. Some of them smoke pot, some of them don't. To be certain, though, a far greater percentage of people who don't smoke pot are likely to be idiots. If an idiot smokes pot their less likely to be actively destructive. Sure, they may be as useful as a bump on a log, but an idiot who doesn't smoke pot is more likely to think they're useful and run around fucking everything up.
You rub off as an idiot.
Right... because people who are normal obviously don't have any other problems...
> If anybody has reason to complain is people whose income is high
*L...O....L*
Yeah... because life is so rough when you're going home to a 5-bedroom house and banging the gold-diggers three at a time.
*cough* bullshit *cough* couldn't prove it if you tried *cough* nice try
Somewhere next to the FBI's black book and the national HR database I bet there's also a book of "Online Aliases of the American Citizenry"--complete with IP address and ISP membership logs.
How much do you trust that +d setting? Is that a server side or client side setting? Are you completely positive there are no exploits in the 'bot code?
The exploitation of the server administrative 'bot has, in the past, been used to spy/stalk on users of interest by priveleged operators (and even unpriveleged opers, via exploit). I wouldn't so sure that all holes have been sealed up.
If the opers had fun harrassing a user using an administrative exploit then, truly, if they claim the "hole has been patched" you really have to wonder.
Does anyone know who's on the soundtrack?
Sounds like Tricky to me...
You're assuming that the employer is at least semi-reasonble. You're not thinking about this from the proper point of view: the company is deliberately screwing their employees.
At the last two jobs, I did what you hold so highly. I turned in my resignation. In both cases the response from HR was,"We're sorry. We cannot accept your resignation. Instead we're going to fire you." Now, what can you do? If you're walking away from what was obviously a bad job, you don't have tens of thousands of dollars saved up, and lawyers, frankly, do not give a shit. The HR department can write up all of the papers that it needs, literally fabricate them out of thin air, to make a case that they terminated with cause. Try claiming unemployment? Denied. Why? "Denied due to termination." But I wasn't terminated. I resigned. "Sorry, that's not what the company reports."
You're trying to make your points as if there's some sort of rules of honesty, fairness, and justice that a company is required to follow. They're not, and when they want to screw you over, they can. If you happen to be the sort of person who is socially well-connected or has a measure of personal independent wealth they do not screw you over because they know that you can fight back. If, however, you are identified as an easy target without an external support system then you have no chance.
How naive can you be? What ivory tower do you live in?
Can't be done. Once the company is through running their employees out the door they label them as bad in HR databases. Don't give me that crap about wrongful dismissal or slander claims. Lawyers don't give a rat's ass unless you already have a pile of money to donate to them.
No. Here in America we've got our own little system for fucking people over. If you've got it good well then more power to you. Don't act like your lucky lot in life is the same for everyone.
The guy who lives next door is severely burned from his waist up. His entire chest is gone. His neck is one big scar. Half his face is gone. His left ear was completely burned away and had to be reconstructd and that wasn't done real well--his ear looks like Shrek. Half his right hand is mutilated. His arms are burned such that he has no muscle mass. In short, he's ugly as sin. He was burned when he was two years old. When he was released from the hospital the state gave custody of him back to his father--the same father he was living with when he was burned. There was no police investigation into the matter. His father's story is,"We don't know what happened. You were playing with a pack of matches." The story from his mother's side of the family is,"We don't know. We thought you were burned with aftershave or perfume." The pattern of the scars, specifically the fact that his left ear is totally gone but his hairline is fine, looks more like he was doused with hot grease.
Where was the state or the police for him? Shit... you can get time in prison for doing less harm to your dog. In this poor bastard's case the police just shrugged and said,"Eh. Let's go have another donut." The state didn't bother with any more than the most cursory investigation of the matter. The guy's life is complete crap. People treat him like dog shit. What did the police, or the state, or any attorneys ever do for him? Not a fucking thing.