I see a lot of posts saying this is not a business model and that it is not lucritive. The two sort of depend on each other to both be true or neither are true. What is a business model? Its a planned system that operates in a fashion that hopefully makes money. For those that say its not lucritive... $430 dollars a day isn't much??? Thats almost as much as my two week paycheck. Obviously I'm not being paid for my rare skills at that rate but for somebody... perhaps a teenager or guy in his early 20's to fuck around in his basement (lab) and make a few thousand a month I think I'd call that successful. Perhaps his talent is better spent and better paid elsewhere, but he has no boss, I seriously doubt he works 40 hours a week, and I doubt he has much stress other than not getting caught. So lets do the math, quoted in the article something like his fast moving exploit made him $430 a day for a week before he moved on that equals out to atleast 2k if he took the weekend off and just killed the thing. A sporadic week's worth of work paid all the bills and then some for a typical blue collar guy's lifestyle. I have trouble saying this guy lost... atleast until he ends up in federal prison which so far is pretty unlikely.
No I'm not pro botnet master, I hate cheats but lets admit the best of these guys are winning big and they are rarely the loser. Hopefully the need for better security and a better overall architecture will slowly wittle the ease of compromising systems over the years. But until then this is a rampant crime we'll see go on for quite some time.
P.S. yeah I'ved heard the affiliate programs like to cheat the botnet masters and either stiff them or only pay a portion of the "work" that was done. This probably goes on all the time with the 2 cheats trying to fuck each other but in the end they both have some cash in their pocket and blow it off as "it comes with the territory". So oh no, he only made $150 dollars that day. If he has a strong work ethic you can only imagine how much he can make in a month.
Kadin's post hit the nail on the head. This is all about one thing, and thats what a man can and can not do. (That was in Pirates of the Caribbean). Its a game of chess, what you read in the media might give you ideas what is really going on, and what presidents, terrorists, or anyone else in power says is 90% bullshit. Its all a game, the real players are what can we and can't we do. Israel having nuclear capability isn't all the important right now. The only way they could ever use it is if a middle east WWIII broke out, and then they'd have the last resort option to wipe shit out. However for Iran to get a nuclear weapon changes everything. Iran with a nuke represents the entire anti U.S., Israel, West, whatever you want to call it meddling with their land, life, everything. Believe it or not "they" are not evil psycho's, they want us to get the fuck out and leave them alone, a nuke has some promise for that. The "axis of evil" has resorted to whatever tactics they can to turn us off and they will use it, Iran with a nuke means no more pushing them around, they gain power and everything that goes on in the middle east after they gain that capability hangs under the hood of what will Iran do. This would be a nightmare for the U.S. and Israel, and I seriously doubt they will let it happen unless we are backed into a political corner, with China and Russia opposing strong consequences for Iran this is a serious problem. Like the earlier poster said China and Russia are not the enemy, the U.S. is the top dog and to have a country like Iran become nuclear capable will take some of that away from the U.S. but not from Russia or China, why should they worry? This is a serious pickle with no good endings, if the U.S.-Israel alliance takes out Iran's capabilities more political shit will come their way and will only strengthen the hate, we might delay them becoming nuclear capable but at what price? You think 3 years of war in Iraq is bad? We'll be there forever if things keep up. The other option is to let them do their thing and lose a lot of absolute power, and then the lives of Israeli's and any force over there is in the hands of an angry enemy, sounds like fun both ways. It leads me to believe the only way for humans to coexist is to find a peaceful solution and all be friends (lol yeah right). Human nature is a sad thing at times, with nuclear proliferation we might be watching the undoing of civilization. The only solution might be that humans are different than how we are now. Sooner or later tensions might just be the end of us. We saw a glimpse of this with the cold war with the soviet union, and we see the same situation repeating itself.
Some of you guys really don't know much about retail, my wife works at Walmart as a CSM (she manages the cashiers). At walmart it is against the rules to call people in for any reason, if you're slammed too bad, because if you call people in that means that particular worker gets hours when they shouldn't and then the rest of their schedule for the period is screwed and they would then have to cut hours somewhere else screwing up staffing on that day. Walmart doesn't pay overtime. You've also cited weather as affecting staff, its true that when its raining mildly people do fill up in Walmart, however, when there is a real nasty storm the place is dead. Nonetheless this is all worthless to take into account if the manager can't call extra people in anyway. And to tie any kind of system whether human or computer into the weather forecasting... omfg have you ever listened to the weather man? Predicting weather is so shaky to adapt your staffing according to predictions would likely be a nightmare.
I really don't understand why so few companies haven't automated scheduling to some degree. The number of dipshit managers running things is rampant. Would it really be that hard to code in all the criteria a program would need to spit out a schedule? I really don't think so. There must be some hidden reason why companies aren't doing it. I seriously doubt it is because there is no programmer talented enough to take into account most of what a manager has to deal with. Availability, hours per week, 1st of the month (welfare checks, payday), Friday Saturday Sunday (especially following the 1st of the month). Come on somebody can do it, I've actually talked to my wife a few times about this because she's always complaining how fucked up the scheduling is, she often has to rewrite it to fix all the stupid parts.
There must be a reason why this isn't the norm, but I don't think I've read anything in this thread that reveals what is is.
I think a major roadblock to this is... when somebody wants to play a game, they do it to let off steam, have some fun, no more dealing with problems, etc. The last thing a person wants to do is hack their machine to get it to work, spending 3 hours trying to fix whatever is wrong before playing a game doesn't sound like a nice trade off. If I click a shortcut and am ready to play then errors start flying I will get all kinds of pissed off... thats not worth the $100 dollars for just buying Xp home. We already have to spend a 1/2 hour downloading WOW's latest patch or deal with a realm being down or laggy... I don't need trouble just trying to execute the friggin game. Especially the fact that Mac users pride stuff "just working", they use this as an advantage over windows problems, which windows users use as an advantage over Linux users. Now now, you linux guys don't flame me for saying Linux doesn't work as easily as windows does. We're not all elite and can fix minor problems at a moments notice. For the average gamer any kind of error can be an insurmountable problem.
BTW I quite playing wow.
Evidently you don't know why people commit suicide. Its usually because they suffer from mental illness or childhood trauma that caused their illness... whatever you want to call it. Think about it, do you really think its that easy to kill yourself? How bad would someone have to feel to actually go though with it? People who grew up in good homes and had numerous oppurtunities at every step of the way see a "horrible day" as their car breaking down and having to walk in the rain. A person at the lower end of the scale see's a horrible day as losing their wife and job to alcoholism and waking up in an alley broke and homeless. If you have no fear of life maybe its because you haven't lived through the harder parts of it.
Every time I see it, it makes me sick. Some person who achieved a goal that thanks god... for what? When I was homeless and starving, tired and hopeless, did some curly haired MF hand me a cheeseburger and some advice... no. Why should I believe and worship something that I have never seen, never felt, never been able to speak to for guidance or support. If you take a step back and think about it, it sounds like interacting with an e-mail from Nigeria. You want me to do all these things for an invisible character that promises bliss yet delivers absolutely nothing. Is there a single shred of evidence in all of history that any "higher power" swooped down and actually helped... no. Keep your faith talk to yourself, those of us that have experienced the bowels of god's wonderful creation firsthand have little tolerance for your wishful thinking.
A few times I have opened myself up to a higher power out of sheer dispair... I was 100 percent open to the idea, I thought that maybe I should jump on the train since all these people seem to be doing so well on it. Amazingly nothing happened. The only benefit I can see of religion is the positive feelings some people feel by believing in something positive. However if you're in a serious crisis god won't be doing the work to fix you, in the end it will be you, not by chance or by faith, but by your own internal power. Positive thinking coming from a supposed higher power will certainly help some of us, but I find it hard to believe its the determining factor.
I think part of the problem is the push to pretend the internet is safe and perfect. Since when has anything in our world been safe for the ignorant? The reality of computers and the internet needs to be common knowledge that you can get into trouble, especially if you don't know what you're doing. If I jumped in a car and put the petal to the floor and wrecked would it be pontiac's fault or the department of transportation that a flawless safety net wasn't put in place? I'm not saying its ignorant computer users fault if they get scammed, but the bullshit promises that you can give out your bank account number over the internet without worry. I don't care how computer savvy you are, we've all had a moment where we were momentarily tricked, imagine somebody that has no idea. I mean remember, those AOL security commercials claim they have single handedly foiled hackers, spam, etc. Computer technology is too wild to pretend the good guys are always in control, lets be honest and admit if you connect to the internet you are taking a risk.
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I see a lot of posts saying this is not a business model and that it is not lucritive. The two sort of depend on each other to both be true or neither are true. What is a business model? Its a planned system that operates in a fashion that hopefully makes money. For those that say its not lucritive... $430 dollars a day isn't much??? Thats almost as much as my two week paycheck. Obviously I'm not being paid for my rare skills at that rate but for somebody... perhaps a teenager or guy in his early 20's to fuck around in his basement (lab) and make a few thousand a month I think I'd call that successful. Perhaps his talent is better spent and better paid elsewhere, but he has no boss, I seriously doubt he works 40 hours a week, and I doubt he has much stress other than not getting caught. So lets do the math, quoted in the article something like his fast moving exploit made him $430 a day for a week before he moved on that equals out to atleast 2k if he took the weekend off and just killed the thing. A sporadic week's worth of work paid all the bills and then some for a typical blue collar guy's lifestyle. I have trouble saying this guy lost... atleast until he ends up in federal prison which so far is pretty unlikely. No I'm not pro botnet master, I hate cheats but lets admit the best of these guys are winning big and they are rarely the loser. Hopefully the need for better security and a better overall architecture will slowly wittle the ease of compromising systems over the years. But until then this is a rampant crime we'll see go on for quite some time. P.S. yeah I'ved heard the affiliate programs like to cheat the botnet masters and either stiff them or only pay a portion of the "work" that was done. This probably goes on all the time with the 2 cheats trying to fuck each other but in the end they both have some cash in their pocket and blow it off as "it comes with the territory". So oh no, he only made $150 dollars that day. If he has a strong work ethic you can only imagine how much he can make in a month.
Kadin's post hit the nail on the head. This is all about one thing, and thats what a man can and can not do. (That was in Pirates of the Caribbean). Its a game of chess, what you read in the media might give you ideas what is really going on, and what presidents, terrorists, or anyone else in power says is 90% bullshit. Its all a game, the real players are what can we and can't we do. Israel having nuclear capability isn't all the important right now. The only way they could ever use it is if a middle east WWIII broke out, and then they'd have the last resort option to wipe shit out. However for Iran to get a nuclear weapon changes everything. Iran with a nuke represents the entire anti U.S., Israel, West, whatever you want to call it meddling with their land, life, everything. Believe it or not "they" are not evil psycho's, they want us to get the fuck out and leave them alone, a nuke has some promise for that. The "axis of evil" has resorted to whatever tactics they can to turn us off and they will use it, Iran with a nuke means no more pushing them around, they gain power and everything that goes on in the middle east after they gain that capability hangs under the hood of what will Iran do. This would be a nightmare for the U.S. and Israel, and I seriously doubt they will let it happen unless we are backed into a political corner, with China and Russia opposing strong consequences for Iran this is a serious problem. Like the earlier poster said China and Russia are not the enemy, the U.S. is the top dog and to have a country like Iran become nuclear capable will take some of that away from the U.S. but not from Russia or China, why should they worry? This is a serious pickle with no good endings, if the U.S.-Israel alliance takes out Iran's capabilities more political shit will come their way and will only strengthen the hate, we might delay them becoming nuclear capable but at what price? You think 3 years of war in Iraq is bad? We'll be there forever if things keep up. The other option is to let them do their thing and lose a lot of absolute power, and then the lives of Israeli's and any force over there is in the hands of an angry enemy, sounds like fun both ways. It leads me to believe the only way for humans to coexist is to find a peaceful solution and all be friends (lol yeah right). Human nature is a sad thing at times, with nuclear proliferation we might be watching the undoing of civilization. The only solution might be that humans are different than how we are now. Sooner or later tensions might just be the end of us. We saw a glimpse of this with the cold war with the soviet union, and we see the same situation repeating itself.
Some of you guys really don't know much about retail, my wife works at Walmart as a CSM (she manages the cashiers). At walmart it is against the rules to call people in for any reason, if you're slammed too bad, because if you call people in that means that particular worker gets hours when they shouldn't and then the rest of their schedule for the period is screwed and they would then have to cut hours somewhere else screwing up staffing on that day. Walmart doesn't pay overtime. You've also cited weather as affecting staff, its true that when its raining mildly people do fill up in Walmart, however, when there is a real nasty storm the place is dead. Nonetheless this is all worthless to take into account if the manager can't call extra people in anyway. And to tie any kind of system whether human or computer into the weather forecasting... omfg have you ever listened to the weather man? Predicting weather is so shaky to adapt your staffing according to predictions would likely be a nightmare. I really don't understand why so few companies haven't automated scheduling to some degree. The number of dipshit managers running things is rampant. Would it really be that hard to code in all the criteria a program would need to spit out a schedule? I really don't think so. There must be some hidden reason why companies aren't doing it. I seriously doubt it is because there is no programmer talented enough to take into account most of what a manager has to deal with. Availability, hours per week, 1st of the month (welfare checks, payday), Friday Saturday Sunday (especially following the 1st of the month). Come on somebody can do it, I've actually talked to my wife a few times about this because she's always complaining how fucked up the scheduling is, she often has to rewrite it to fix all the stupid parts. There must be a reason why this isn't the norm, but I don't think I've read anything in this thread that reveals what is is.
I think a major roadblock to this is... when somebody wants to play a game, they do it to let off steam, have some fun, no more dealing with problems, etc. The last thing a person wants to do is hack their machine to get it to work, spending 3 hours trying to fix whatever is wrong before playing a game doesn't sound like a nice trade off. If I click a shortcut and am ready to play then errors start flying I will get all kinds of pissed off... thats not worth the $100 dollars for just buying Xp home. We already have to spend a 1/2 hour downloading WOW's latest patch or deal with a realm being down or laggy... I don't need trouble just trying to execute the friggin game. Especially the fact that Mac users pride stuff "just working", they use this as an advantage over windows problems, which windows users use as an advantage over Linux users. Now now, you linux guys don't flame me for saying Linux doesn't work as easily as windows does. We're not all elite and can fix minor problems at a moments notice. For the average gamer any kind of error can be an insurmountable problem. BTW I quite playing wow.
Evidently you don't know why people commit suicide. Its usually because they suffer from mental illness or childhood trauma that caused their illness... whatever you want to call it. Think about it, do you really think its that easy to kill yourself? How bad would someone have to feel to actually go though with it? People who grew up in good homes and had numerous oppurtunities at every step of the way see a "horrible day" as their car breaking down and having to walk in the rain. A person at the lower end of the scale see's a horrible day as losing their wife and job to alcoholism and waking up in an alley broke and homeless. If you have no fear of life maybe its because you haven't lived through the harder parts of it.
Every time I see it, it makes me sick. Some person who achieved a goal that thanks god... for what? When I was homeless and starving, tired and hopeless, did some curly haired MF hand me a cheeseburger and some advice... no. Why should I believe and worship something that I have never seen, never felt, never been able to speak to for guidance or support. If you take a step back and think about it, it sounds like interacting with an e-mail from Nigeria. You want me to do all these things for an invisible character that promises bliss yet delivers absolutely nothing. Is there a single shred of evidence in all of history that any "higher power" swooped down and actually helped... no. Keep your faith talk to yourself, those of us that have experienced the bowels of god's wonderful creation firsthand have little tolerance for your wishful thinking. A few times I have opened myself up to a higher power out of sheer dispair... I was 100 percent open to the idea, I thought that maybe I should jump on the train since all these people seem to be doing so well on it. Amazingly nothing happened. The only benefit I can see of religion is the positive feelings some people feel by believing in something positive. However if you're in a serious crisis god won't be doing the work to fix you, in the end it will be you, not by chance or by faith, but by your own internal power. Positive thinking coming from a supposed higher power will certainly help some of us, but I find it hard to believe its the determining factor.
I think part of the problem is the push to pretend the internet is safe and perfect. Since when has anything in our world been safe for the ignorant? The reality of computers and the internet needs to be common knowledge that you can get into trouble, especially if you don't know what you're doing. If I jumped in a car and put the petal to the floor and wrecked would it be pontiac's fault or the department of transportation that a flawless safety net wasn't put in place? I'm not saying its ignorant computer users fault if they get scammed, but the bullshit promises that you can give out your bank account number over the internet without worry. I don't care how computer savvy you are, we've all had a moment where we were momentarily tricked, imagine somebody that has no idea. I mean remember, those AOL security commercials claim they have single handedly foiled hackers, spam, etc. Computer technology is too wild to pretend the good guys are always in control, lets be honest and admit if you connect to the internet you are taking a risk.