X has various limitations inherent in a newcomer which is attempting to replace a system as ubiquitous as Y.
Google Wave can be used easily by anyone, though it is clearly not as ubiquitous- there aren't as many servers, and there aren't as many clients.
I will admit that writing a google wave implementation is more difficult than writing an e-mail implementation, given that it would require slightly more than "netcat" and "nothing else"
Google did fix a lot of the broken things. Wave today is not Wave of a year ago.
But they didn't fix everything, and the problems which have been with it from the beginning, to those who have used it from the beginning and continue to use it today, are still a pain every day.
X is a replacement for Y. This is because Y sucks, everyone who has any interest in the matter or who has ever used Y knows about the many flaws of Y, and while X has various limitations inherent in a newcomer which is attempting to replace a system as ubiquitous as Y, it does not actually have any of the problems you could come up with that Y has. X serves the same purpose as Y. If you don't like Y, try X.
Completely google's fault, I agree. Google completely failed to communicate what wave was and how to use it, gotcha. Google didn't use Wave enough itself, very true.
But "great product as it currently is"? Fuck no. "Useful collaboration tool which fits nicely into the gap between IM and e-mail", definitely. But certainly not "great", especially not "as it currently is". Wave has never added enough basic features to make it truly great.
Right now it fits between IM, email, and wikis, filling a space which has long wanted a stronger tool. But to be great, it would need to be able to completely replace at least one of them.
Perhaps all that's needed for that is "don't be web-only", which of course would involve Google making good on what their tech-demos showed.
Of course, it's also true that I can set up an e-mail server (poorly, but still functional) from zero knowledge to running in ten minutes. I've yet to figure out what's needed for a working Wave server, or even if they really exist (as opposed to just being a toy for developers).
Typing two spaces at the end of each sentence makes exactly as much sense as adding low-level printer control characters to the end of every line in a text file.
Position: Where in space something is at a single time (t) Momentum: Mass * Velocity Velocity: Position[t2] - Position[t1]
"Position" by definition requires "t" to be only one value, while "Velocity" (and so, momentum) by definition requires "t" to be more than one value.
Meanwhile, "Velocity", by definition, requires that we know two Positions.
So: how can we ever talk about velocity and a single position? Aren't the uses here mutually exclusive? Are we actually talking about certainty of velocity vs the certainty of both positions? Are we talking about the position at t1.5?
No, but if I barge into someone else's house (when that house has a "come on in!" sign outside), they can make a note of it and share those notes with whoever they want.
Would you hire additional workers if you were forced to do so only on the condition that you could never fire any of them without closing down entirely?
There is a huge difference between "decreasing workforce due to decreased workload" and "closing down entirely because you can no longer afford to pay enough staff to deliver 100,000 letters a day when only 1,000 letters a day actually need delivering"
The kind where you say "oh, the monitor was obscured by the flash. Can you just copy & paste one of the other monitors there instead? I don't want a big white glare to be the center of the picture."
Let's actually put this into real life: Don't like huge flashing signs? Stay out of Times Square. This logic works for millions of people every day,
And who the fuck mentioned rights? You have the right, as in an actual inalienable right which no one has any authority to ever take away from you, to mangle whatever content you recieve on the internet and re-format it however you wish.
I have a right to call you an asshole for doing so, because I'd prefer you just stayed off the site if you don't want to look at it.
can't we come to a compromise?
Assholes who fill websites with so many ads that the actual content is unreadable are Assholes.
Assholes who install software to remove the ad-part while still viewing the content-part are Assholes.
If only one of those two assholes existed, evolution would probably take care of them a lot quicker.
Is everyone ever going to make an adblock-alike which, rather than "blocking" ads, just prioritizes them differently so I don't need to wait for fifty ads to load before I can view actual page content? I really don't mind ads. I'm okay with them. I don't want to block them, and I think people who do block them are assholes. But I don't want to wait for them.
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non-idiot programmers use a library for this sort of thing. Solve it ONCE.
I'll admit that god might exist when you provide a definition of what it is we're saying might or might not potentially exist.
..and presumably a developer would notice when at some point they write connect_to_memcached() and don't need to pass in a username or password..
X has various limitations inherent in a newcomer which is attempting to replace a system as ubiquitous as Y.
Google Wave can be used easily by anyone, though it is clearly not as ubiquitous- there aren't as many servers, and there aren't as many clients.
I will admit that writing a google wave implementation is more difficult than writing an e-mail implementation, given that it would require slightly more than "netcat" and "nothing else"
And yes, Email sucks.
Google did fix a lot of the broken things. Wave today is not Wave of a year ago.
But they didn't fix everything, and the problems which have been with it from the beginning, to those who have used it from the beginning and continue to use it today, are still a pain every day.
X is a replacement for Y. This is because Y sucks, everyone who has any interest in the matter or who has ever used Y knows about the many flaws of Y, and while X has various limitations inherent in a newcomer which is attempting to replace a system as ubiquitous as Y, it does not actually have any of the problems you could come up with that Y has. X serves the same purpose as Y. If you don't like Y, try X.
Wave is google's replacement for e-mail.
Completely google's fault, I agree. Google completely failed to communicate what wave was and how to use it, gotcha. Google didn't use Wave enough itself, very true.
But "great product as it currently is"? Fuck no. "Useful collaboration tool which fits nicely into the gap between IM and e-mail", definitely. But certainly not "great", especially not "as it currently is". Wave has never added enough basic features to make it truly great.
Right now it fits between IM, email, and wikis, filling a space which has long wanted a stronger tool.
But to be great, it would need to be able to completely replace at least one of them.
Perhaps all that's needed for that is "don't be web-only", which of course would involve Google making good on what their tech-demos showed.
Of course, it's also true that I can set up an e-mail server (poorly, but still functional) from zero knowledge to running in ten minutes. I've yet to figure out what's needed for a working Wave server, or even if they really exist (as opposed to just being a toy for developers).
Typing two spaces at the end of each sentence makes exactly as much sense as adding low-level printer control characters to the end of every line in a text file.
Position: Where in space something is at a single time (t)
Momentum: Mass * Velocity
Velocity: Position[t2] - Position[t1]
"Position" by definition requires "t" to be only one value, while "Velocity" (and so, momentum) by definition requires "t" to be more than one value.
Meanwhile, "Velocity", by definition, requires that we know two Positions.
So: how can we ever talk about velocity and a single position? Aren't the uses here mutually exclusive? Are we actually talking about certainty of velocity vs the certainty of both positions? Are we talking about the position at t1.5?
No, but if I barge into someone else's house (when that house has a "come on in!" sign outside), they can make a note of it and share those notes with whoever they want.
but you just used it as one in the very sentence you attempted to refute the fact in! :)
Would you hire additional workers if you were forced to do so only on the condition that you could never fire any of them without closing down entirely?
There is a huge difference between "decreasing workforce due to decreased workload" and "closing down entirely because you can no longer afford to pay enough staff to deliver 100,000 letters a day when only 1,000 letters a day actually need delivering"
Furthermore, the accepted way to upgrade Windows is "download the latest install image", while the accepted way to upgrade Linux is "click 'Upgrade'"
How much of private gun ownership results in use?
The kind where you say "oh, the monitor was obscured by the flash. Can you just copy & paste one of the other monitors there instead? I don't want a big white glare to be the center of the picture."
"BP Removes reflection of camera flash from meaningless publicity photo! UPDATE: Twice!"
Sometimes you only want to buy something as a honeypot for legal battles you think you can win?
Let's actually put this into real life:
Don't like huge flashing signs? Stay out of Times Square. This logic works for millions of people every day,
And who the fuck mentioned rights?
You have the right, as in an actual inalienable right which no one has any authority to ever take away from you, to mangle whatever content you recieve on the internet and re-format it however you wish.
I have a right to call you an asshole for doing so, because I'd prefer you just stayed off the site if you don't want to look at it.
Who's putting the adverts first? I'm putting "don't go to broken sites and those sites will go away" first.
can't we come to a compromise?
Assholes who fill websites with so many ads that the actual content is unreadable are Assholes.
Assholes who install software to remove the ad-part while still viewing the content-part are Assholes.
If only one of those two assholes existed, evolution would probably take care of them a lot quicker.
If you don't want to see the ad, don't go to the site.
Getting up during an ad, or flipping the channel, is equivalent to leaving a website whenever you see an ad. I have no problem with this.
Is everyone ever going to make an adblock-alike which, rather than "blocking" ads, just prioritizes them differently so I don't need to wait for fifty ads to load before I can view actual page content? I really don't mind ads. I'm okay with them. I don't want to block them, and I think people who do block them are assholes. But I don't want to wait for them.