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Russian Scholar Warns Of US Climate Change Weapon
According to Russian political scientist, and conspiracy aficionado Andrei Areshev the high heat, and poor crop yields of Russia, and other Central Asian countries may be the result of a climate weapon created by the US military. From the article: "... Areshev voiced suspicions about the High-Frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP), funded by the US Defense Department and the University of Alaska. HAARP, which has long been the target of conspiracy theorists, analyzes the ionosphere and seeks to develop technologies to improve radio communications, surveillance, and missile detection. Areshev writes, however, that its true aim is to create new weapons of mass destruction 'in order to destabilize environmental and agricultural systems in local countries.'"
But we'll stop if you pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
I still cannot find the droids I am looking for...
In Russia this type of propaganda is as acceptable as Americans whole believe Obama is not a US citizen.
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
It's called "SUV".
Table-ized A.I.
The one that heats the ionosphere, and has an effect on the scale of an immersion heater in the Yukon river. That HAARP. Of course it's to blame.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Didn't a bunch of whackjobs a few years ago try and claim that Hurricane Katrina was the result of some Weather Control Device created by the Axis of Evil?
Well that would explain why I saw Bond strapped to a table at the business end of giant death ray the last time I toured the HAARP facility.
But seriously, shame on Samzenpus for posting this woo woo garbage.
And the deployment platform is a circular aircraft, reminiscent of the small plates the British put their cups of tea down on....
We already made the unfounded claim that all natural disasters and climate related problems on the Earth are due to women dressing immodestly.
Hey, do you think I can get an article posted if I post a link to a paranoid rant about Obama's birth certificate?
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
Seriously, even worse than this. But I guess that's what they get for flouridation, the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face.
Whale
The one bought last year doesn't look deadly enough:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cash-for-clunkers-shock-horror-hummer-bought-with-c4c-cash/
We live in a relatively closed system. If we were trying to "heat" you up, that heat will come back around and hit our west coast. But, as with most conspiracies, it's hilarious to watch at least. Somehow people think we can come up with a grand scheme to manipulate the weather of foreign nations, put it into action, _and_ keep it quiet, yet our government can't figure out how to win a simple war and keep the documents classified during it (WikiLeaks/Afghanistan)?
This news makes me wanna play some Command And Conquer.
If something like this makes the front page at slashdot, what's next? Roswell aliens, JFK Conspiracy theories, how about the 9/11 conspiracy saying the fed's were behind everything? Is it possible to have the slightest bit of editorial standards at this website?
If it was real you would think we would pick better targets such as:
Oh but I guess picking bad targets must be part of the conspiracy because that would hide the conspiracy. But then, knowing that I know that they know that I know then they would pick good targets.
OK I'll take the bullet and get the meme out of the way so we can focus on serious-business /. discussion.
"In Soviet Russia, Climate changes you!"
Why don't they just stuff the civilians into some bunkers and Iron Curtain them, until the weather clears?
Emotions! In your brain!
All your precious bodily fluids belong to us.
One might be a "Political Scientist" in much the same way as one might be an "Honest Politician".
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Couldn't possibly happen, because the Russians have prior art on this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker
The conspiracy-theories for the Russian Woodpecker were primarily mind control and weather modification.
But then again, if they didn't patent it, maybe we could use it after all.
Sarcasm alert - I know that citing patents and prior art against secret government weapons is silly. Sometimes the secret government weapons are, too.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
They are just pissed cause they didn't think of it first.
That would be Auroral, not Aural
Climate weapon deniers!
Guess the USA isn't the only one with world class conspiracy nutjobs.
We only come up with crude versions of a technological idea...
The Japanese roll all of our technological breakthroughs into perfection and spread it around the world.
... is the AUTOMOBILE!
Duh duh duuunnnnnnnn!
And so he's suggesting that we've used this "weapon of mass destruction", which would affect global climate and therefor harm the U.S. too. On purpose. Riiight.
It must be so nice to be sure you're right all the time and reject things that YOU think are "ridiculous" and "impossible" based on your limited knowledge of things.
When you do a bit of proper research, you'll find such topic was already being very seriously discussed in the 1950s, and even specific pieces of international agreements explicitly banning the development and use of such weapons. And the whole internet conspiracy bandwagon wasn't born yet.
The best part is.. This is great.. It's filed under "Science".. I would have chosen Idle, but Conspiracy theories are Science now and fully /. worthy.
Actually it's filed under both science and idle so to be fair it would have been blocked if you took the time to block 'idle' in your preferences. I've probably outlined how to do that a hundred times in posts and heavily recommend it so we don't have to continually put up with discussions on why Slashdot is so craptacular. Your other option is to just stop reading it all together as I'm sure most of the people that complain don't bother to tweak the preferences options that have been there since as long as I've been reading.
My work here is dung.
It occurred to me that many people might not believe we ever landed on the moon because we cannot do it today - and if we were ever able to do this, why would we be so stupid as to throw the ability away?. I wonder what else falls into that category? What other things have we achieved as a nation that we could no longer do without some serious rethinking and lead time?
Seriously, wasn't Putin saying something a few years ago that he would welcome global warming, inasmuch as Russia would benefit due to longer growing seasons, more tractable land, etc.?
Here we go: 'Putin pointed out that "an increase of two or three degrees wouldn't be so bad for a northern country like Russia. We could spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would go up".'
According to the article, there was some disagreement if this was just snarky or held a "grain" of truth.
I am not a crackpot.
However you feel about HAARP, Russia also has a similar program (in terms of hardware)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Unlike global warming, this is not a myth and the truth will not be denied. {/sarcasm}
\/* I didn't know they had teabagheads in Russia, too */
Why? According to this guy's logic it makes perfect sense to endanger the harvest and therefore risk civil unrest in a country with a large nuclear arsenal...
Personally, I still think the easter bunny is the true culprit!
Actually, I do block certain things, but for some reason they still get through anyways. Book reviews, aka Slashvertisements, I have those blocked, guess what though, they still show up for me. Blocking on this site has never worked for my account. So keep saying to click the block button and I'll keep verifying I have it checked yet it won't do anything.
Here's a big hint: if you're using the dynamic (new) index it's not about checking a box. It's about excluding 'idle' and putting it into the Other Terms to Exclude box under the Exclusions tab. DO NOT click on Classic Indexes and Slashdboxes. Believe it or not, there are some people that still prefer classic index and that's what those preferences are for. It just took me five seconds to exclude all things marked 'idle' and I verified that yes it does work -- you can do it too. I know you can. I believe in you.
My work here is dung.
Wow, I have to disagree with you, that site is amazingly ridiculous. At least HAARP is actually shooting radio waves at the upper atmosphere, which means there is at least something could fool the ignorant that the US may be messing with the weather (a basic understanding of radio waves will clear this up for you, though).
Alexi Chiu is just downright out there. Wear this ring and take my Gorgeouspil(tm) and within one day your bones will start to restructure! You will be beautiful and immortal!
The saddest part of the whole thing is he's actually got a patent on the ring, and is working on a patent on the pill.
His other site is even worse.
Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
American climate weapons fits in a bit too well with:
Dictators must have external enemies. And people in non-democracies tend to believe in conspiracies -- after all, they live in one.
Let us hope this is a crank, or we should be sad (and scared!) about where Russia is going... :-(
I assume it is the Russian oil's fault. Countries with too much of their export income from natural resources never become democracies, if they weren't one already. (See "Resource curse".)
Karma: Excellent (My Karma? I wish...:-( )
we don't need no stinkin' climate change weapon - the people of the US just don't give a shit about what happens to the environment - especially if it takes away from our self-gratification
in Red Alert 2.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Weather_control_device
In Soviet Russia Climate Changes YOU!
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Alternatively, Heinlein's Razor, "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"
Somehow people think we can come up with a grand scheme to manipulate the weather of foreign nations, put it into action, _and_ keep it quiet, yet our government can't figure out how to win a simple war and keep the documents classified during it (WikiLeaks/Afghanistan)?
Well yeah. Wars necessarily involve many thousands of people and many planners at all levels. Even if you have a genius general, their subordinates still have to make decisions, and the general is unlikely to have a complete view of the theater. And regardless of the quality of planning, the orders and information necessary to fight necessarily pass through many hands.
Compare with the climate change conspiracy theory. You pretty much just need one genius scientist to come up with the "alter climate over Russia but somehow not the U.S." device willing to sacrifice their morals to see their vision come to fruition, one zealous DARPA manager willing to do anything for the Stars and Stripes to manage the scientist and all the contractors (who don't have to know what purpose the sub-components they are building are for -- see Primer or Cube), and one high-level administrator to shovel the money at the project and not ask questions (for plausible deniability of course).
One mad scientist, one mad agent, and one corrupt official. Much easier to keep the lid on. The only flaw with this though is that there's usually a plucky hero (preferably a slinky girl ninja spy) who infiltrates the organization in order to uncover the conspiracy... Unfortunately all the people who suspect the truth are only able to complain about it on the intertubes.
The enemies of Democracy are
I don't have a television, but when I visited my family for a week, my dad showed me one of his favorite channels he gets since the digita: a Russian propaganda channel (sorry, "news" channel!) in the English language. It was amazing. It was like Fox News, except from the other direction. The talking heads were cute slavic chicks with Australian accents. The stories were about a variety of things, but several of them were either about something bad the U.S. was supposedly doing, or something embarassing that had happened to the U.S. Also, many of the stories were late, giving a uniquely Russian-government "spin" to events that I'd read about on the Internet a week or two earlier.
Anyway it was pretty interesting to see this Russian government propaganda news show side by side with the American corporate propaganda news shows. They were like two sides of the same coin.
The only way to win is not to play it
To me, the most amusing aspect of this conspiracy theory is that it so perfectly mirrors the conspiracy theory that Tom Bearden (www.cheniere.org) has been spouting over the years, i.e. that the Russians developed "scalar electromagnetic" weapons during the Cold War, and have been using them to create earthquakes, steer hurricanes at the U.S. (e.g. Katrina), and cause most of the unusual weather (heat waves, cold snaps, droughts, etc.) that the U.S. has experienced in the past couple of decades.
So now I guess we've begun shooting back at the Russians with scalar EM weapons of our own. Clearly, the world is now doomed. Let the scalar EM wars begin!
News for Nutcases. Stuff that oh my god the evil government control rays and the zionist lion tamers with the hurting my brain Matters.
... and then they built the supercollider.
It's just a big microwave pointed at the sky. It illuminates a stream of charged particles which circle the earth at high latitude, known as the electrojets. By heating and cooling this stream of particles in the ionosphere, we were able to modulate a signal onto the electrojet (since it's conductivity is temperature dependent), turning the electrojet into a gigantic low frequency antenna. We used the signals generated to study the ionosphere and magnetosphere of the earth.
As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
This is actually true. We call this climate changing weapon an "automobile".
Because it combines two things Slashdot seems to love: Global warming and the US being evil.
That's a weird spelling of SUV.
Other countries have similar instillations.
HIPAS, near Fairbanks, Alaska, one at the Arecibo Observatory. The European Incoherent Scatter Scientific Association (EISCAT) near Tromsø, Norway.
Russia has the Sura Ionospheric Heating Facility, in Vasilsursk near Nizhniy Novgorod.
"No force on earth is a match for...Nature! Gone! Mad! Mwahahahaha!"
Only an elite team of Joes can stop us now. Wait, does that make us the bad guys?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
we have a "gimme!" issue, not a weapons issue, here.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
I thought Remo Williams took care of this problem.
If Americans could look into the future, then would they have supported the rebels against the soviet union that ended up biting them instead?
Or supported Adolf Hitler to stop communism?
Your argument falls flat as it relies on Americans having the foresight to think of the consequences of their actions. They do not.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Both Russia and America are part of the same ecosystem; anything devastating enough to affect Russia at any scale would in turn affect us.
And over there we have the labyrinth guards. One always lies, one always tells the truth, and one stabs people who ask t
The potheads who call the show obviously think it is, but I would have thought the Russians wouldn't have fallen for it. Does this guy have a drinking problem?
We tried to sell a productized climate-change weapon to the Chinese; it's called a "Hummer"
It's not HAARP, it's all of the damn soccer moms hauling their kids around in SUVs, making 17 trips a day.
This is exactly what the star wars program was all about, and still is, although the gov. will never tell you.
We know so little when it comes to what our gov. are doing. I am glad I live in Canada, where our navy is about 5 ships long, and our army is more known to be useful for UN jigs, then real military coos.
This can be defeated by the: Guided Universal Indepednant Not Near Earth Survival System, or GUINNESS.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
It's no more nuts than any AGW denialist or Sen Inholfe, Chrissy Monckton, Tony Watts and the rest of the denialist whack-job brigade who are CERTAIN this is all a leftist liberal communistic nazi plan to install a One World Order.
Is it.
"destabilize environmental and agricultural systems"
The U.S. government kills anyone, anywhere if it will make money for someone who secretly holds the strings of power. Climate destabilization is trivial by comparison.
Vietnam is an example. The poisons are still there. People are still dying from the land mines. Bombs costing more than a car were dropped on poor farmers.
"destabilize environmental and agricultural systems"
The U.S. government kills anyone, anywhere if it will make money for someone who secretly holds the strings of power. Climate destabilization is trivial by comparison.
Vietnam is an example. The poisons are still there. People are still dying from the land mines. Bombs costing more than a car were dropped on poor farmers.
And in what way was the Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody? There was no money to be made on that war.
And to be fair, if the farmers had stopped supporting the Geurilla VC (1970's speak for terrorist) then we wouldn't have been dropping bombs on them.
Then the US is far behind the Russians, who had a far powerful climate control weapon decades earlier.
It was called Radio Moscow, at one time (and perhaps still) by the far the biggest shortwave broadcaster in the world.
HAARP is basically little more than a big shortwave transmitter pointing up. The only reason that HAARP exists at all is that an unfinished military radar base at Gakona AK was cancelled with the end of the Cold War. It sat in mothballs for a while until a bunch of physicists came up with the idea for HAARP if only they could glom onto the facility, and Ted Stevens got them the funding to do it.
The conspiracy theories came fast and furious afterwards, given that in remains a military-owned facility. But that basically just means that in some time in the future, the military could kick HAARP out and reclaim the facility. It's unlikely that would ever happen.
It is true that HAARP has some terrible PR. It's a bunch of scientists who, although they are quite happy to talk about what they work on, operate on a shoestring budget and simply can't be bothered to produce glossy PR handouts. When they have their open house every few years, they pretty much have to shut down down everything they do to put on their show-and-tell...all of which further enables the tinfoil-hat crowd. Even their web page is run externally and infrequently updated.
Everything they do is non-classified, but they're so disorganized with their public outreach that it's damn difficult for the general public to follow what they're up to there.
They would be better off if their had a full-time public affairs person whose job it was to produce glossy handouts, perhaps even a more or less regular journal with a reasonable level of technical content, and make the web page useful. One thing that became clear during the 2010 open house is that there are quite a few local people who have a fairly good layman's grasp of science and engineering (e.g., lots of ham radio operators). The Q&A session after the presentation quickly got quite technical.
Right, it couldn't be that china has an expansionist policy with a huge farming population. A farming community that is making the EXACT same soil management mistakes we made prior to the dust bowl. They need to admit they can't conquer the soil of their country, the same as we couldn't in the midwest.. If you don't work the land right, this happens.
"And in what way was the Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody?" Weapons sales? Vietnam war ushered in a whole new weapons system (M-16) for US soldiers and brand new vehicles, as well as new body armor, clothing and defoliants. It was a cash cow for weapons manufacture. Shoot we were dropping brand new helicopters off of ships when we left and left a number of large weapons caches as well. We didn't even blow them up.
The Russians are wrong, we have the ultimate climate change weapon. Soccer Moms and their SUV's.
Oh nooooooo... it's the Icarus project that US stole from Koreans after Bond and Jinx defeated Gustav Graves
During the cold war, it was the USA that feared the Soviets -- about the Soviet plans to spread black carbon powder all over the arctic, to achieve two goals:- 1. More land for Soviets that is livable and Cultivable. 2. Drown the major US cities.
Heck I still remember reading many news articles in our magazines, back in the 70s, that went on and on on this topic.
Or, it could just be a psychological shock to the ex-soviet think-tanks in Russia, who always believed Global Warming was nothing but beneficial for Russia ( and now it turns out its not).
When you undergo such shock, your mind does not need to be on drugs to come up with irrational thoughts.
Such as by requiring carbon taxes and climate mitigation fees be paid to UN members?
Conspiracy happens every day. Most USA politicians conspire for a living to do the bidding of their corporate masters. The word conspiracy used to not be loaded with anti-thought connotations. In fact, its quite likely some PR people working for government or industry helped destroy the word conspiracy; I wonder how much harder it is to convict some people of criminal conspiracy as a result of this word losing its meaning? (not that conspiracy law was ever fair in the 1st place, that is another issue.)
Today, Nixon would never have been caught for the watergate conspiracy; true the redefinition of "conspiracy" would not be the sole cause but it would play a significant role in Nixon getting away with it.
As far as the US military.... if HAARP could do things other than simple radio messages they'd probably have studied it long ago and it would still be classified so we can only guess what it is if anything and wonder if they'd ever deploy it and risk exposure of its existence - resulting in reverse engineering by the enemy; as is the case when any new weapon is discovered by the other side. The US military has been involved in far more conspiracies than most Americans could comprehend that are KNOWN and surely have more that are unknown. A recent but simple example would be Pat Tillman.
We do know the Pentagon has taken climate change seriously and has assessed its benefits and threats and some papers are public on this - not about controlling it, but on understanding how it will impact our military and economic strength. We do better than most nations according to their estimate, so I could see them not caring about its relative impact on our security because the rest the world gets hit harder. I highly doubt they are doing anything as far as weather control; other government groups are talking about how to mitigate climate change so if the Pentagon is thinking about it, they will be thinking about how to mitigate things for us and minimize the benefits for nations we do not like. It is likely we can't avoid helping everybody when we start climate engineering so I doubt they are giving it any serious thought at this time. BTW, Climate engineering is getting serious attention these days and I predict will be the path the big pollution nations take instead of cutting emissions; despite the risks and objection of most the poor nations. Politics is all about conspiracies.
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They offered to create cyclones over Malaysia in order to clear up the smog. Maybe they did?
"Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.
http://www.thewatcher.co.uk/weird/news.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/far_east/30828.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/far_east/32878.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/33077.stm
http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Malaysia_to_Battle_Smog_With_Cyclones.pdf
"if the farmers had stopped supporting the Geurilla VC (1970's speak for terrorist) then we wouldn't have been dropping bombs on them"
Those Vietnamese are foreigners, and foreigners are never as smart as the U.S. government, and they shouldn't be allowed to decide their own politics?
"we wouldn't have been dropping bombs on them."
Don't say "we". If whoever has control of the violence of the U.S. government thought that oil or weapons profits would be higher, the government would kill you and your entire family, tophermeyer. Don't believe that? Just ask the families of more than 1,000,000 Iraqis and Afghanis. In comparison, Saddam Hussein was gentle.
Weather modification in warfare was banned by the UN during the cold war. Shortly after, claims were made that Russia was attempting to negatively influence the US weather. There may be some truth to Russian knowledge of weather control based on well known research by Nicola Tesla, and given that Russian companies are commercializing weather modification less than a decade later. The problems created by the cold war, still seem to exist. See also recent Russian spy roundup.
Please note that the US Gov't does have patents filed for machines that control the weather, create weather, and partially weaponize weather.
And those patents are directly tied to HAARP.
We can destabilize a hurricane with a strong laser, or we can make the thing worse with a different laser tuning.
I think that story was on slashdot a couple years ago.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Go fuck yourself. Seriously.
Coding with assembly is like playing with Legos. Coding an application in assembly is like building a car with Legos.
I swear I already saw this cartoon in the early 90s. Let our powers cobmine..... CAPTAIN PLANET!
Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgment - Zemfram Cochrane
Methinks people throw around the word "scholar" too much.
Iraqis killed by the U.S. government: 1,366,350 and counting.
Iraqis killed before and during 2006: 655,000.
Yes, Saddam Hussein was brutal. But the U.S. government has been more brutal.
There were those of us who fought against it, but in the end we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. At the same time our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we had been spending on defense in a single year. The deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap.
This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that.
Our source was the New York Times.
Wow, I have to disagree with you, that site is amazingly ridiculous. At least HAARP is actually shooting radio waves at the upper atmosphere, which means there is at least something could fool the ignorant that the US may be messing with the weather (a basic understanding of radio waves will clear this up for you, though).
Alexi Chiu is just downright out there. Wear this ring and take my Gorgeouspil(tm) and within one day your bones will start to restructure! You will be beautiful and immortal!
The saddest part of the whole thing is he's actually got a patent on the ring, and is working on a patent on the pill.
His other site is even worse.
LOL!
How can you take seriously the inventor of the Gorgeouspil(tm) when he's so FUgly!?!
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
If it was real you would think we would pick better targets such as:
1. Iran ...
Last night I happened to tune in "Late Night America" (a syndicated talk show heavily into discussing tinfoil-hat subjects). They had a guest who was claiming that Iran was claiming that the recent spate of earthquakes near their nearly-commissioned reactor were the result of a HAARP-based earthquake induction weapon.
Haven't done any looking into whether Iran actually DID make such a claim. But "The Claim is Out There!" (TM).
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
A similar device is mentioned in Atlas Shrugs. The book also talks about many of the political things that are going on in the US today. Where are you John Galt?
That conspiracy theory isn't very original - http://www.daily.pk/norway-time-hole-%E2%80%9Cleak%E2%80%9D-plunges-northern-hemisphere-into-chaos-14311/
Worst. Yakov Smirnoff joke. Ever.
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
At least we're not the only ones with absolutely insane climate change related conspiracy theories.
We leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which "side" the lunatic conspiracy theories are on (hint: BOTH)
Side note: HAARP is right up there with Area 51 and the residents of Sebastopol (the Northern Californian one) in promoting sales of aluminum foil hats.
Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
So you're saying that since you don't know how it could be used for that, then it can't be used for that?
Yes I am. In much the same way I'd say you can't use a microwave oven to heat Yankee stadium (and proportionately, HAARP is much much smaller then a microwave oven to a stadium).
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
So it must be true!
Are you fucking kidding me??? (1) Weapons contracts [hello, Monsanto!], (2) Cold-War contracts, (3) hell, even Pres. Johnson made assloads of money from airline contracts to send soldiers to Vietnam. That's right, boys and girls. Your child's life is worth less than a plane ticket to these scum. You are, as Henry Kissinger called you, a bunch of "useless eaters" to them.
Similar to the upcoming US election results
climate changes you... com'on... nobody?
How about all the oil, natgas and coal Russia has burned for the past century? That's a huge climate change weapon Russia has blasted at the world.
Global Russian roulette, and the bullet landed in the steppes first.
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make install -not war
As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???
Let's put on the tinfoil propeller-beanie and spin up some conjectures, shall we? B-)
For starters, your power is not limited to your own input. You're using a nonlinear process (in this case, parametric amplification) to modulate power obtained from other sources (the solar bombardment of the Earth with charged particles). You're the "control grid", not the "plate supply".
How might you get from modulated ionospheric currents to weather manipulation. There are several proposals. But let's bring Tesla into the mix (along with published experiments from the HAARP site): You could pump resonances in the ionosphere/earth-surface cavity - dumping that solar power into vertical electric fields between the Eartj and the sky.
Pumping the ~8Hz fundamental resonance (the one Tesla wanted to use as a power transmission system) would just excite the whole planet. No aim. But pumping harmonics - especially if you pumped several at once with controlled phases and possibly controlled locations of the excitation - could give you patches with higher and lower field strengths, hologram style. You'd still be aiming at large regions rather than tight locations. But TFA's conspiracy theory involves a target of subcontinental scale, so that's still fine.
How might subsonic vertical electrical fields affect weather? Modulating cloud-charging mechanisms and thus affecting nucleation of raindrops, just for starters. (Also triggering lightning, etc. The sprite/jet mechanism seems to combine with lightning and other tropospheric charge-carrying mechanisms to complete a circuit between the ionosphere and the surface. A major AC field concentration might affect that. And discharges are a negative-resistance so they can pump surface heat-engine energy into the resonances, too. More available power. Muuhhhhahaha!) Increase nucleation to dump water in places where it's useless and dry the air, dump heat-of-condensation and/or reflect sunlght to steer winds, etc. You don't have to be perfect - just reduce the rain by a fraction to dry out an area.
While we're at it, let's try earthquakes, too:
You've got single- and double-digit low frequencies to play with (and more if you're not limited to that cavity's resonance). What can you do with them? Such low frequencies penetrate the Earth's surface to considerable depth. Lots of minerals are piezoelectric. How about shaking a mechanical resonance to pump up some vibration near an earthquake fault that's got enough stress to let go? You couldn't make quakes out of thin air (or thick dirt). But moving their schedule up from "some time in the next 60 years" to "now, when they would do our nefarious plan some good" would be a useful tool. Finding the resonance wouldn't be too hard with some sensors on the ground - at these frequencies you could run a feedback loop by radio back to the control system to tune the excitation.
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Of course you're playing with plasma, with LOTS of nonlinear effects (as well as the possibility of longitudinal as well as transverse waves). The tale-spinning opportunities are boundless.
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Putting aside the beanie...
Is any of this (or other similar stuff) even remotely possible? Damfino. This yarn is about stringing together some halfway-plausible mechanisms for conspiracy theorists to talk about. HAARP is about actually doing the cutting-edge research to see whether any of the pieces (or something similar) could actually work. ("Or at least that's the cover story. Muuuhhhahaha!")
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Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Ah... no. God is about as likely as a talking teapot, or any other example you care to think of...
It is a straightforward cognitive failure to assume that something unknown has equal odds of being so, or not. Do flying pink elephants have equal odds of existing, or not? Does a troop of dancing fairies in an opposite solar orbit have equal odds of existing or not? Of course not. And the same is true for other superstitions and mythological propositions, such as parting of the red sea, or turning someone to salt, or "creating" the heavens and the earth, or even turning water into wine. They're not equally unlikely as likely, they are *extremely* unlikely and not likely at all. Or in other words, WAY over at the "what a silly idea" end of the scale.
Also, agnosticism (lacking knowledge) is not a valid middle ground between atheism and theism; theism is belief in a god or gods; a-theism is the lack of such a belief. Neither position is based upon knowledge. A person either believes in a god or gods, or they don't; and that makes them either a theist, or an atheist, regardless of any protestations to the contrary.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
So whats cause of your wildfires, failing crops and wider global climate chaos?
1) The whopping 40% (forteh-freakin-per-cent!) increase in greenhouse gases over pre-industrial levels due to human activity.
2) HAARP, a few kilowatts of output into the Ionsphere, which has not been shown to have jacks hit to do with weather.
Yeah 2) obviously!
After logging in slashdot still does not take you back to the page you were on. It's been that way for 20 years.
well, if it is a weapon that is causing the record heat in Russia, then the weapon is also being pointed at the US since the last couple of months theres been record temperatures in the southern US.
This is the problem with you American sheeple. There is no "we" Your own govenment and the corporate conglomerate entities don't see any difference between the "we" as in America and the "we" as in any other country really. Noone cares about you fat useless eaters, haven't done so for a long time. Americans in the states are due for the rudest awakening if u don't really wake up., Nobody cares about u..Have u eve seen SicKo? You're just frogs in the pot being slowly boiled
again.. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but there really is NO "we". Are u aware that parts of America are the third world, after Katriona etc, never rebuilt. The only "we" is th US government CIA/NSA and I assure you they DO NOT care about you. any more than they care about the people of Pakistan. Sorry about that pal, but you fatboys sold out your country, and hence the world a long LONG time ago ... I probably know more about the founding fathers than you do..*sigh*
again, I'm sorry but it's not YOUR government, it's pretty obvious by the fact that you are all fat cattle who graze in fast food joints and are addicted to drugs of every kind. you are the dumbest people for a reason - you are not important to them. They want to do whatever they want and that means keeping you dumbed down, The US government cares more about people in Australia, NZ, and other countries than you. You are merely cattle that they use to to trod on so they can do whatever they want globally. Again, sorry about that. Go ask the third world (aka New Orleans, New Mexico, etc.) how much they feel like the government of the US cares about them. The smart ones already know the truth. There is no-one looking out for them but themselves. Honestly, check out wikipedia, nationmaster, or other countless sites on the net. You have a crap education system, crap health system, crap society for the MOST part (the expendable part)... only the elite of America - friends and family of the government/corporations are really looked after. The only silver lining is that eventually you will have no choice but to see the truth. Have you been outside America?? Do u even know how far you are behind other parts of the world, and the elite of America. you live in a different world.
Ill just be branded a troll :(
Sure we have a climate changing weapon. It's mass production was developed by Henry Ford.
but unfortunately not far off the truth!! :D ..even though I'm being serious and that's pretty much the gist of the reality
The government of the US (who represent itself) does 2 things to spin it. First, it's used as a distraction. second it's used to spread a boloney story that wikileaks puts lives at risk. The d1ick$ucks of America will indeed believe that it's a danger to secret agents (who btw DO NOT represent ordinary American people, at ALL) and other military personnel i.e. they spin it to make it look like they are a legitimate organization - they're not, they're a coprorate/military industrial complex that eats the ordinary gullible, credulous, uneducated, unhealthy, fat, stupid yanks for breakfast.
Mod me funny!!
And in what way was the Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody? There was no money to be made on that war.
OIL, and now that you have the answer, did you really need to ask?
There was a lot of tungsten too to be mined.
And to be fair, if the farmers had stopped supporting the Geurilla VC (1970's speak for terrorist) then we wouldn't have been dropping bombs on them.
Please go get a dictionary, and look up the word terrorist. The Vietnamese were fighting for independence from France. You know, like july 4th? Ho Chi Minh was Vietnam's George Washington.
The basic rule is: terrorists target only civilians. Soldiers target soldiers. So if you drive a truck full of fertiliser bombs into a military barracks, that is not terrorism, regardless of what the military might say. The northern Vietnamese militants are in the grey area that while fighting against other soldiers, also target civilians unnecessarily, the US troops in Vietnam are also in this grey area.
"Vietnam war in any way profitable for anybody?" ... does that come from 100% end to end US gov mines, steel mills, farms, factories, R&D ect? :) With a extra layer for of profit for support and mercs too :)
US weapons, airframes, sigintel, uniforms, food, oil
Most of the above are in private hands or have shareholders that get a nice return on investemnt for any new system tested, deployed or upgraded.
To them distant death is a car, holiday, better private school, medical care, extra homes, toys.. the good life.
Any US politician talking of arms reductions would by default be talking of profit reductions. That is really not a good place to be in unless a whole new system replace the old.
The average US taxpayers may eat the public debt, people who dont pay much tax create vast amounts of generational wealth.
Ready to push back into the next small war
As for climate change Cuba faced some interesting pest outbreaks and a few very real export destroying missions.
The idea that weather could altered at a local level to do the same is ??? The historical desire is in place, the rest would be tech.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Go to the HAARP website, and look up the online data. Call up the Magnetometer Charts, specifically the archives.
Look at a few of the charts, zoom in, zoom out, change the dates, play with it a bit.
Now...
1. Go to a "history timeline" website, one that specifically deals with major events in the last decade. This is a reasonably okay one?
2. Go back to your magnetometer chart. Zoom in to a 2-week data range, starting 1 week before a major event, and ending 1 week after.
3. Look at how the dataline is relatively flat. RELATIVELY flat, mind you, compared to the other data.
4. Look at the massive spike either just before, or right AT the event. For example, look at the data for the morning of 9/11.
5. Now look at the data for every single major security scare, national security event, or even a major natural disaster where everyone got worked up into a froth, or there were a lot of people injured or otherwise killed.
Isnt' that interesting?
Now then, I am NOT suggesting that HAARP was responsible for 9/11 or the Haiti earthquake. Please, don't even go there.
What I am suggesting, is that major catastrophes have an effect on the magnetosphere, effects that can be measured.
Now here's the $100,000.00 question?
Exactly what is it surrounding these events that is affecting the earth's magnetosphere? Radio traffic? Cellphone traffic? Pumping up the satellite feed to overcome interference?
Some have suggested that human emotions are responsible. That's a bit of a reach, though. Isn't it?
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Given that the US Navy already uses Extremely Low Frequency radio to communicate with submarines, I wonder what the military communication applications would be of being able to turn the whole ionosphere, even briefly and at insanely low wattages, into an antenna.
I'm no radio engineer, but I'd assume that would mean you could generate some very penetrating radiation which could be picked up deep underwater or in bunkers - as long as you had very sensitive detectors.
Course you'd want to do the transmissions from an actual secure military facility, not a science base, but...
Excuse me, I have an abandoned mineshaft in Nevada I need to buy for... um, personal recreational purposes.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
What happens when someone that attacks a soldier looks just like a civilian? If I'm attacking a military base does that make me a soldier?
1. The soldier is a unlawful combatant
2. You are an 'unlawful combatant'
Funny how you follow the Geneva/Hague/International Humanitarian Law unless it's convenient.
the term "unlawful combatant" is not mentioned in either the Hague or the Geneva Conventions. So while the former terms are well understood and clear under international law, the term "unlawful combatant" is not.[3][8]
What most US commentators fail to realise is that the Geneva convention rules about who counts as a soldier are about who is a legitimate prisoner of war and questions of culpability under civilian law. Soldiers are not bound by civilian law. Anyone who does not fall under the definition of a soldier is culpable for breaches of local law and cannot be held as a prisoner of war, but instead must be tried in a civilian court
There is a provison for "(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;" so that means that if you look like a civilian you are one. On the other hand I don't think soldiers are protected by local civilian law either, for example I don't think any members of the French underground resistance in world war 2 were prosecuted for the murder of nazi soldiers.
Lastly, I think you were looking for the phrase "unless it's inconvenient"
As for the murder of Nazi soldiers, French partisans were following the orders of the French government in exile. If they would have been captured by the French government of the "non-occupied" France (for as long as it existed as a client state to Germany), they would have been either extradited to Germans or tried (and most probably executed)