What I always found interesting about the Star Trek universe was the concept of a 'replicator'. You press a button and speak your order (e.g. Tea, Earl Grey, Hot) and get your order instantiated out of seemingly nothing.
Do we look like seemingly nothing to you, sir? I'm insulted and demand an apology.
- The Tiny Dwarfs Working in Replicators Syndicate (TDWRS)
Instead, you prefer to sound off about new features when you have no actual understanding of their effect.
I wonder if I'm the one confused here. You said yourself that running a browser in root is stupid and insecure, then you go and say that introducing the capability of limited privilegies and running IE in limited mode is nohing big of an improvement compared to, say, XP.
Which one is it?
FYI the only rights IE has in limited mode is access to the temporary files and reading its own preferences. That's it.
For even as basic things as saving a file you will download from it, IE talks to broker processes and can't do it itself.
Since the interface with the broker processes is simple and specific, it's easy to audit it for security issues due to the massively reduced attack surface a potential 'virus' can have.
Can a virus attack IE like now? Yes. Can it do the same damage? No. It's not that hard to understand.
As for W3C standard compliance, you can bend it and twist it any way you want. But adding full PNG transparency support, CSS 2 selectors, full support for:hover, pseudo elements (like:first,:last and more), fixed position elements and tons of other *newly supported* features (besides fixing issues in the existing code) in my eyes is pretty much improving standards compliance.
But all of that ain't important, I guess more important is where I missed a friggin comma in my post, right?
What is this entity "Internet" that will choke? Where is it, is it a computer?
That statement is a nonsense, looks more like ISP-s running away freaked out that people will start using what they've been sold.
Before "Internet" is choked, the service provider's servers will choke. To which the provider will either adapt or stop providing the service as simple as that.
But reading further reveals that it's just Yet Another Excuse (tm) for the ISP-s to charge providers, which I believe all providers and Internet users have agreed is a nonsense. Apparently the only ones who believe themselves it makes sense is the friggin greedy ISP-s.
Anyone else getting pissed off? Anyone tired of this non-sense?
Let them just try and limit the availability of their clients to a popular media site and see their clients become someone else's clients.
It's up to the licensor to jump and do something if his license is violated.
What harm is done in this case, making is easy to install Linux? What a sin, shit we all know it needs to be at least 3 days configuring and recompiling sources, anything less and it's a crime.
So who's the zealot who thought that "out of principle" they gotta ruin the effort? Sure, one might argue that doing anything less will "erode" the license's ideas, but how come they jump on the easy victim and not go after all the commercial software that illegally uses GPL code in their binaries?
What we really need is an internet application browser, that is desgined to be able to host such applications, render consistantly over multiple platforms, be stable and secure, ect.
Well you've just described the rewritten (with applications in mind) and improved Flash 9, coming in 3 months...
Even better, Adobe will release a free compiler and component framework for Flash 9, so the barrier of entry is $0.
Have you read how limited account works in Vista? I leave it up to you to assess the security implications of this on IE7.
Also whether it has "W3C Support" I hope you realize the phraze is non-sense, however it has plenty of CSS fixes and ehnancements which I've studied in detail and had the chance to test myself in the Ie7 beta 2.
I'm not guessing here as I have first hand experience. What do you have? Smugness and desire to mix with the Slashdot crowd by coming here and bashing Microsoft products with little or no real information at all.
But if you believe a closed source program can ever be secure, then I think the problem rests with you.
At least I don't have my head up my ass, repeating anti Microsoft cliches like a fanatic without putting any thought into it.
1. first we got soap operas, a show where actors babble bullshit non-stop and the action that normally would fit 3 minutes is stretched in 10 episodes
2. we get reality shows, where real people are forced to do scary shit, or eat... shit and one of them wins a prise
3. a second wave of reality shows where people are left in a house and shot for 3 months doing mostly nothing most of the time. The people are endlessly entertained by seeing people eat, go to the toilet or argue who drunk the last cola.
4. third wave of reality shows, where the producers just plant 400 cameras around the streets and let you watch that, looking for "crime" and other bullshit
5. new and improved! the color bar channel offers endless entertainment, family friendly, non-stop show! your kids will love the colors!
1. the close button was moved to each tab 2. you can spell check forms.. and various other minor features
I'm still excited about it and realistic regarding the fact that getting a product of that importance out the door ain't easy.
Something is missing though. When IE7 was announced, we had hordes of Slashdotters rant how the upgrade is totally trivial just adding tabs and skinning the interface, and how Microsoft is idiotic and IE7 will be just the same piece of shit.
Where are those hordes of Slashdotters now when FF2.0 doesn't seem to live up to what was initially announced, with major features delayed or cut forever?
Or is being objective too hard for most of you, immature ranting pests:)?
Haha, hope some of you have their filter set at -1 to read this one;)
Bullshit... Microsoft once again rejected w3 standards, especially in the CSS department.
Boy you definitely missed to do your homework this time, didn't you. Why don't you check the list of CSS bugfixes and improvements on IE7 before you go rant on forums.
And I'm sure pulled those "it might reach a nice mid 30%" right out of your ass since you didn't even test how IE7 renders in detail (if at all).
I did that job, and I can tell you that it's a big improvement in terms of standards support.
FYI, Firefox is also not "W3C compliant". No browser is. Even passing the ACID2 test doesn't mean W3C compliant as it test a subset of features (and FF 1.5 doesn't pass it anyway).
Hell, even W3C is not exactly sure about some details of its own standards most of the time.
Although I vastly prefer Opera, anything that can help decrease market share of IE and its broken everything is good.
You're lucky then, a new browser is coming out, which has better security than IE6 (especially on Vista), a lot better standards support, good RSS support and a fresh compact interface.
For most users, speed is a minor issue as long as it's perceived to be fast enough. And response times from the distant website (not infrequently in the second+ range) typically swamps local things like redraw speed.
It matters, because frequently on Firefox opening more than 7 tabs at once means your CPU pegged on 100% and sometimes it even locks up the browser for a minute or so.
I'm still using Firefox since I'm lazy: all stored passwords and history and visited addresses and cookies... it's kinda making it hard for me to switch to Opera at once. But damn, the moment 0pera9 is out, I am switching.
Also the more I investigate the issue, the more IE7 seems a viable choice on Vista. IE was always a very fast browser (and noone gimme the crap about "preloaded" components because I do not mean startup times).
I'm a web developer and keep all sorts of browsers on my machine, but I didn't start using FF in favor of IE until IE started getting new "just visit the site and you're set" holes every week.
When IE is secured, and with the new improved standards support, I think I'll welcome IE again as my default browser.
Why fret over privacy loss if you aren't doing anything illegal/covert?
There are few select among us have that magical ability not to care of someone is to shoot their private parts with a macro lens camera when you go to the toilet and have a bunch of government clerks inspect every detail carefully and give it to anyone willing to pay enough money under the table.
Then there's also the rest of us who don't like that.
I don't deny that we're in a time where we need some kind of safety net
Shit, the propaganda is working eh...
The very fact you consent we're in a "time where we need some kind of safety net" means brainwashing worked. We're not in any kind of time. I'd say that the amount of terror US gets is disproportionally small to the amount of terror US applies to some countries in the rest of the world.
What we need really is to stop brainwashing, stop propaganda, stop the war and civil right erosion engine, stop snooping and concentrate on far less self-destructing activities.
Releasing the first movie for free was refreshing and bold. It did what they wanted, and gained them popularity.
Now it's time to plant feet firmly in reality and have some business model. If they release it for 2 bucks via PayPal or credit card, most people will be able to afford it and still enjoy the product.
Another thing they can do is release a free copy with some ad blocks.
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Given that whatever you create CANNOT result in an increase of energy, there would be limits to this "technology".
If it takes 1 gallon of gas to drive this thing to make 2 gallons of gas, well, you can see the problem there.
Yes but what if it takes 1 litre of Captain Kirk piss and produces 1 pound of gold?
Something to think about...
What I always found interesting about the Star Trek universe was the concept of a 'replicator'. You press a button and speak your order (e.g. Tea, Earl Grey, Hot) and get your order instantiated out of seemingly nothing.
Do we look like seemingly nothing to you, sir? I'm insulted and demand an apology.
- The Tiny Dwarfs Working in Replicators Syndicate (TDWRS)
Ideally, in such a complete library we should also be able to read any article ever written in any newspaper, magazine or journal. And why stop there?
Let's leave no poem on a toilet paper or a speeding ticket unscanned!
Instead, you prefer to sound off about new features when you have no actual understanding of their effect.
:hover, pseudo elements (like :first, :last and more), fixed position elements and tons of other *newly supported* features (besides fixing issues in the existing code) in my eyes is pretty much improving standards compliance.
I wonder if I'm the one confused here. You said yourself that running a browser in root is stupid and insecure, then you go and say that introducing the capability of limited privilegies and running IE in limited mode is nohing big of an improvement compared to, say, XP.
Which one is it?
FYI the only rights IE has in limited mode is access to the temporary files and reading its own preferences. That's it.
For even as basic things as saving a file you will download from it, IE talks to broker processes and can't do it itself.
Since the interface with the broker processes is simple and specific, it's easy to audit it for security issues due to the massively reduced attack surface a potential 'virus' can have.
Can a virus attack IE like now? Yes. Can it do the same damage? No. It's not that hard to understand.
As for W3C standard compliance, you can bend it and twist it any way you want. But adding full PNG transparency support, CSS 2 selectors, full support for
But all of that ain't important, I guess more important is where I missed a friggin comma in my post, right?
Iv da bezt yu kan du iz kritiziz mi vor my spelin of Inglish, which is not my native tongue by the way, then you gotta be really short of arguments...
And that basically says it all.
Ah, "NERD ALERT", nice one.
Or in binary form: 1001110 1000101 1010010 1000100 100000 1000001 1001100 1000101 1010010 1010100.
And for a future reference, here's the script I just wrote to produce this sequence:
I believe you're referring to 10...
Nope. I was referring to 110010, which is 50, the ASCII code for "2".
Get a grip. There is no two.
Of course there is, check it out: 2
I volunteer to reboot Internet if it gets choked, just tell me where it is.
What is this entity "Internet" that will choke? Where is it, is it a computer?
That statement is a nonsense, looks more like ISP-s running away freaked out that people will start using what they've been sold.
Before "Internet" is choked, the service provider's servers will choke. To which the provider will either adapt or stop providing the service as simple as that.
But reading further reveals that it's just Yet Another Excuse (tm) for the ISP-s to charge providers, which I believe all providers and Internet users have agreed is a nonsense. Apparently the only ones who believe themselves it makes sense is the friggin greedy ISP-s.
Anyone else getting pissed off? Anyone tired of this non-sense?
Let them just try and limit the availability of their clients to a popular media site and see their clients become someone else's clients.
Retards.
It's up to the licensor to jump and do something if his license is violated.
What harm is done in this case, making is easy to install Linux? What a sin, shit we all know it needs to be at least 3 days configuring and recompiling sources, anything less and it's a crime.
So who's the zealot who thought that "out of principle" they gotta ruin the effort? Sure, one might argue that doing anything less will "erode" the license's ideas, but how come they jump on the easy victim and not go after all the commercial software that illegally uses GPL code in their binaries?
If that ain't retarded, I don't know what is.
What we really need is an internet application browser, that is desgined to be able to host such applications, render consistantly over multiple platforms, be stable and secure, ect.
Well you've just described the rewritten (with applications in mind) and improved Flash 9, coming in 3 months...
Even better, Adobe will release a free compiler and component framework for Flash 9, so the barrier of entry is $0.
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That IE7 will be secure and have w3c support.
Have you read how limited account works in Vista? I leave it up to you to assess the security implications of this on IE7.
Also whether it has "W3C Support" I hope you realize the phraze is non-sense, however it has plenty of CSS fixes and ehnancements which I've studied in detail and had the chance to test myself in the Ie7 beta 2.
I'm not guessing here as I have first hand experience. What do you have? Smugness and desire to mix with the Slashdot crowd by coming here and bashing Microsoft products with little or no real information at all.
But if you believe a closed source program can ever be secure, then I think the problem rests with you.
At least I don't have my head up my ass, repeating anti Microsoft cliches like a fanatic without putting any thought into it.
1. first we got soap operas, a show where actors babble bullshit non-stop and the action that normally would fit 3 minutes is stretched in 10 episodes
2. we get reality shows, where real people are forced to do scary shit, or eat... shit and one of them wins a prise
3. a second wave of reality shows where people are left in a house and shot for 3 months doing mostly nothing most of the time. The people are endlessly entertained by seeing people eat, go to the toilet or argue who drunk the last cola.
4. third wave of reality shows, where the producers just plant 400 cameras around the streets and let you watch that, looking for "crime" and other bullshit
5. new and improved! the color bar channel offers endless entertainment, family friendly, non-stop show! your kids will love the colors!
Firefox 2's key new features:
.. and various other minor features
:)?
;)
1. the close button was moved to each tab
2. you can spell check forms
I'm still excited about it and realistic regarding the fact that getting a product of that importance out the door ain't easy.
Something is missing though. When IE7 was announced, we had hordes of Slashdotters rant how the upgrade is totally trivial just adding tabs and skinning the interface, and how Microsoft is idiotic and IE7 will be just the same piece of shit.
Where are those hordes of Slashdotters now when FF2.0 doesn't seem to live up to what was initially announced, with major features delayed or cut forever?
Or is being objective too hard for most of you, immature ranting pests
Haha, hope some of you have their filter set at -1 to read this one
Bullshit... Microsoft once again rejected w3 standards, especially in the CSS department.
:P ....
Boy you definitely missed to do your homework this time, didn't you. Why don't you check the list of CSS bugfixes and improvements on IE7 before you go rant on forums.
And I'm sure pulled those "it might reach a nice mid 30%" right out of your ass since you didn't even test how IE7 renders in detail (if at all).
I did that job, and I can tell you that it's a big improvement in terms of standards support.
FYI, Firefox is also not "W3C compliant". No browser is. Even passing the ACID2 test doesn't mean W3C compliant as it test a subset of features (and FF 1.5 doesn't pass it anyway).
Hell, even W3C is not exactly sure about some details of its own standards most of the time.
Damn it I hate zealots
Yes, I too am waiting for the end of time itself.
End of time is coming in 3-4 months in that case.
Although I vastly prefer Opera, anything that can help decrease market share of IE and its broken everything is good.
You're lucky then, a new browser is coming out, which has better security than IE6 (especially on Vista), a lot better standards support, good RSS support and a fresh compact interface.
It's called IE7...
For most users, speed is a minor issue as long as it's perceived to be fast enough. And response times from the distant website (not infrequently in the second+ range) typically swamps local things like redraw speed.
It matters, because frequently on Firefox opening more than 7 tabs at once means your CPU pegged on 100% and sometimes it even locks up the browser for a minute or so.
I'm still using Firefox since I'm lazy: all stored passwords and history and visited addresses and cookies... it's kinda making it hard for me to switch to Opera at once. But damn, the moment 0pera9 is out, I am switching.
Also the more I investigate the issue, the more IE7 seems a viable choice on Vista. IE was always a very fast browser (and noone gimme the crap about "preloaded" components because I do not mean startup times).
I'm a web developer and keep all sorts of browsers on my machine, but I didn't start using FF in favor of IE until IE started getting new "just visit the site and you're set" holes every week.
When IE is secured, and with the new improved standards support, I think I'll welcome IE again as my default browser.
How are we sure that nanotubes won't break away or escape from the shirt and enter the lungs?
:)
How often does a loose cotton thread, say, end up in your lungs? Get real
Also what's bad with that, you get to monitor the condition of your lungs for free.
How do we know that they're safe for people to wear? I think we're set for another DDT-style disaster here.
How about highly toxic rat poison called sodium fluoride being in your water supply and tooth paste?
Oh wait...
Ohhh, now I get it.. T-Shirt, T-600, T-700, T-1000...
Now we know how it started. Well who's keen on testing nano technology bent on world destruction and extermination of the human race on his shoulders.
Anyone?
Why fret over privacy loss if you aren't doing anything illegal/covert?
There are few select among us have that magical ability not to care of someone is to shoot their private parts with a macro lens camera when you go to the toilet and have a bunch of government clerks inspect every detail carefully and give it to anyone willing to pay enough money under the table.
Then there's also the rest of us who don't like that.
I don't deny that we're in a time where we need some kind of safety net
Shit, the propaganda is working eh...
The very fact you consent we're in a "time where we need some kind of safety net" means brainwashing worked. We're not in any kind of time. I'd say that the amount of terror US gets is disproportionally small to the amount of terror US applies to some countries in the rest of the world.
What we need really is to stop brainwashing, stop propaganda, stop the war and civil right erosion engine, stop snooping and concentrate on far less self-destructing activities.
But I'm a dreamer.
Releasing the first movie for free was refreshing and bold. It did what they wanted, and gained them popularity.
Now it's time to plant feet firmly in reality and have some business model. If they release it for 2 bucks via PayPal or credit card, most people will be able to afford it and still enjoy the product.
Another thing they can do is release a free copy with some ad blocks.