If you want to play that game then take it farther. They could have forged the entire presentation. The whole thing could be nothing but a mock up of the company internet site.
Get real. These people are professionals and you have to trust them to some degree. Hell, you have given them permission to break into your company system.
Besides, is it so farfetched that the President has his password set as 'IBGOD' and the head of networking doesn't have the guts to point out this is a bad choice for a password?
I have decided to take Internet Explorer 6.whatever and strip it down and reskin it so it is only a few megs.
You will loose some functionality but Micro$oft still offers IE6.whatever for you for free.
Screw it, I won't sell it. But I will claim it as my own.
And the difference is..................
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I have owned a Tivo for several years. 2 years ago instead of trying to convince my parents what was so special about Tivo I just simply bought them one for there 30 year wedding anniversery.
Niether of my Parents want to leave a Tivo-less existence now.
I have a close friend that just got the Dish network with built in PVR.
I checked it out.
Bleh. I mean it, bleh, bleh and bleh. I don't like it at all. I won't tell her that though. It is not as user friendly, doesn't have the thumbs up and thumbs down buttons.
I am having a lot of trouble with this. How is it even a little bit possible that someone at Micro$oft thinks this is a good idea? Seriously. What company in there right mind wants people associating there products with taking a dump in a dirty, smelly public toilet?
I know what the oppinion of Micro$oft is, but how can you be that succesful and this dumb?
My question is this. Is it possible that Micro$oft knows damn well that this thing is a failure waiting to happen? Is there some sort of advantage to throwing money away? Maybe they are hiding the financing of another project behind this?
Or is there some sort of tax write off. Where you save X amount of tax dollars by spending Y amount of money and having it be a failure?
I didn't know that Bruce grew to a 20 foot hight when he turned into the Hulk.
It looks like there are some defenite hight descreptencies between the scenes. There is one scene where his hand is holding a chick like she was a Barbie doll.
For the people that can't read between your lines I will just make the point you are making a little bit more clear.
The majority of AIDS victims are sex workers, drug users and gay people. Only a minority of of AIDS victims are heterosexual-non sex working-non-drug using people.
The majority of heart disease victims, stroke victims and victims of the common cold are normal people.
Therefore we need to take the resources from HIV away and put them to a better cause.
Is that at little clearer?
Why did we go to the Moon? Because it was hard. That was good enough reason for the moon and it is a good enough reason to cure Aids.
When you fired your gun the recoil would shoot you to the other end of the room.
Oooohhhhh we could simulate disabled in first person shooters by randomizing the keyboard every 3 minutes. At exactly the same time you figured out which one was your 'see through walls/auto-aim' key it would randomly switch. That would make you look retarded and play retarded.
'Hacking' is such a general term today. Be careful applying a single set of morality traits on people just because they want to be a 'hacker'.
I think a good comparison would be these 16-20 year old kiddies that modify there cars and drag race at night and on weekends.
This is illegal in the same sense as 'hacking' is a crime. Actually in some respects I could argue more so. For one the odds of these kids getting busted for racing and fined, or having there license suspended or (god forbid) ending up in jail or seriously injured is much greater then with hackers. And yet hackers are the same age group. And a strict sample of the population would probably show that the amount of people that consider themselves 'hackers' is very similar to the amount of kids that race in there Ford Escorts turned Race cars.
Do you hold it against your mechanic if he was a drag racing kiddie back in his day? Probably not. You probably consider it a bonus.
I dress her up sexy as all out hell. My #1 motivation is an asthetic appeal to me. And asthetics, I would rather be looking at that.
You asked about pink or blue undies. I am gonna pretend that I know where you are going with that remark. I wear pink and blue striped undies. For one I think that the idea of 'cyberdating' is, in a word, lame. Seriously.. seriously lame. Bottom line on this is that if you are talking to a female character on any MMORPG it is statistcly more likely it is really a guy anyways.
So if you are playing a guy and hitting on women.... you are really.... hitting on....
Like I said I consider it lame anyways.
Something else though. I enjoy the 'role playing' aspect of it. If you don't know what 'role playing' is then you need to talk to your elders. It was all the rage way back then. While I will never 'byte' and date online like that. I might flirt. What the hell?
In RPG's, MMORPGS and Sims Online (I am the person you heard about that actually enjoys it:) Don't worry, I start medication next week) I almost exclusively play as a female character.
And yes I am male.
The number 1 reason I do this is because I would rather be staring at a sexy gal while I waste my life on these games then a male character.
Besides isn't the point of RPG's to pretend to be something you are not?
How is it even possible that someone smart enought to:
1. Travel back in time from the year 2256 2. Make like a quarter of a billion dollars from a meager $800 investment
Can at the same time not be smart enough to:
1. Check up on his criminal record and see if he ever got busted for insider trading.
Besides, you mean to tell me that this is the best way for someone from 2256 that has access to a time machine to make a measly quarter of a billion dollars?
Forgive me. I posted this in a different article a few days ago. I didn't really get any feedback. This subject fits my question much better.
Lets say that one day a computer passes the Turing test. Then lets say that a few years later it passes it again, only this time it passes utilizing voice recognition and speech synthesis.
If you think about it this is gonna be a really hard test for the computer to pass. I can't even imagine what is involved in figuring in voice inflection, accents and stuff like that.
Anyways it is at the point where you are on the telephone and you can converse with a computer and you have no idea it is a machine. Hence, it passed the Turing test.
What happens if the computer begins to make the argument that turning it off and disasembling it is no different then killing a person or an animal?
What happens if the computer starts to make the argument that it is capable of thought?
I work with people that are militant for this issue. I like to have a hard copy of what I am working on in my hands. I like a paper phone list. For me it is functionality, I never mastered having a zillion windows up, as well as convience, that phone list is exactly where I left it. I do the same thing at home, hence a printer is mandatory.
But I work with these people that think that paper is for the stone age. They throw away my phone lists and documentation without ever consulting me. When approached about it they just shrug there shoulders and say that everything is online. They act like I need to change my ways because they are fine with that.
Sigh, the troubles of being a night-shift, weekend computer operator.
You said that cigarette smoke damages printers. How?
I don't smoke but I repair friends PC's. I can't deal with keeping there towers in my apartment when I am fixing them. They just absorb like a sponge the smoke.
I never thought it would be actually harming anything. I thought it was just a nuisance for me.
FWIW: I am honestly curious. I am not a militant anti-smoker. I am just honestly puzzled.
Every Tivo owner has at one point or another picked up a friends remote and absent mindedly looked for the pause or the fast forward button.
Or when a friend says something to me like 'Damn, I never get to see Southpark, I work that night.'. I tend to look at them blankly and think 'what does that matter?'. It tends to take me a few minutes to realize that they don't have a Tivo and it does matter.
Or when someone asks me what time or station some program I like comes on. I have had a Tivo for so long that I honestly don't know - or care.
The most important question here is company policy. Is there any documentation that says that YOU will get in trouble for deleting an email from someones box without there authorization? A better question is are there any existing rules that can be bent in such a way as to get you in trouble?
If the answer is yes then I don't see any real problem here. Dude wants to cheat on his wife and he doesn't know the proper spelling of his honey's name, lesson in that.
After you get over that obstacle then you need to be careful to take a technical/policy road and not a moral/ethical one.
Don't forget that many companies have policies against using work email for non-work tasks.
What happens if a computer passes the Turing test? Furthermore what happens if it can pass an audio (speech synthesis/voice recognition) Turing test?
If a computer can fool you into thinking it is alive, which is the basic premise of the Turing test, and then it makes the argument that turning it off, or dissasembling it is like killing it, well where does that place us?
Consider this, many people consider the basic difference between people and machines (or animals as some would argue) is self awareness. How do you define self awareness?
I am sure that PETA people would say that killing anything self aware is wrong. Well...?
I bought Rallisport Challenge a few weeks ago and when I pulled the 3 CD's out of the cardboard sleeves the 3rd disc was scratched. FWIW I bought it from buy.com and it was a new copy.
So I called Microsoft. They asked for the CD Set number and I gave it to them. They then mailed me out a new set of CD's. They arrived in less then a week.
On a side note, did this keep me from playing? Hell no. I had been playing the game for 2 weeks before buying it anyways. I bought it because it was a good game without any major hiccups on my system. It passed my quality test so I spent money on it.
Anyways, the CD's arrived and they are all good to go and everything. But there is something interesting I took notice of. First off the CD's come in a plastic sleeve with no license to speak of. They have written on the CD's themselves (white backrgound with black letters I think, they cannot be mistaken for the CD's I got from Buy.Com) 'Unlicensed Software. Illegal without License. Do Not Copy'. of course this isn't the same thing as this article, I had the license from the copy I bought.
But the other weird thing, the thing I am writing this reply about is this. Disks 2 and 3 were both normal silver pressed CD's. Disc 1 has a green tint to it. It looks an awful lot like a CDR type disk. Almost like Microsoft doesn't pre-prints disks 2 and 3 but writes disk 1 as it needs.
Anyone have any ideas on what the dealio is with this? Call me paranoid, but I came up with one idea. What if Micro$oft puts some sort of ID number on those disks. I image it and post it and they find it on the newsgroups and know it was me?
In a worst case scenerio: I can use Alcohol 120% to make an image to the hard drive of the disk.
Then I search for a utility like ISO BUSTER to yank the CDA tracks directly from the CD.
I create a new ISO from the raw CDA tracks and mount that to a virtual drive.
I then rip as normal.
Did I just violate the DMCA?
Seriously though, this is just my best guess at how to get around truly evil copy protection. I haven't tried it yet and it probably needs some serious refinement at some point.
Let me get this straight... I point you to an informative, detailed and most importantly fact based document with supporting evidence that I wrote, but because I disagree with you, because I can site facts and you cannot, I am a troll.
Some problems can only be solved militarily. I give you Germany and Japan. The original Gulf war. Some people only understand force. And some people will only go out dead. Iraq is hurting it's people. To deny that is to deny the people of Iraq the basic human rights you enjoy. And to protest this war, to call it illegal, to want it stopped, that too is denying the people of Iraq there basic human rights.
Did you read my post?
I made it plain there that I don't like GW going in under the Weapons of Mass Destruction thing. The US has a honorable and proud tradition of fighting for people that cannot fight for themselves. If you look you will find stacks and stacks and stacks of information that point to just how brutal, nasty and evil a man Saddam is. You will also begin to understand that these people don't stand a chance standing up to him. Saddam is (was I am convinced we got him) a dictator for life. One of his sons was gonna take his seat. What a depressing and terrible thing.
I don't care what anyone thinks the reasoning is for going in to this. We have no need for a 51'st state. If we wanted a 51'st state we would take Canada. And you know maybe some people will make a few bucks off this. Good for them. We are spending $100,000,000,000 on this. And I have heard nothing of us asking anyone for restitution.
And did we help to create this mess during the Carter administration? Yes. We did. And that affects the here and now? And for the record, did we help to create the mess that is Osama? In a manner of speaking, yeah. But you have to be fair. We didn't create those lunatics. There Mommies and Daddies did that. Those people created there own mess.
So call it us cleaning up our mess if you would like. I have no issue with that. But for the love of the Iraqi people stand aside and allow us to free them.
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If you want to play that game then take it farther.
They could have forged the entire presentation. The whole thing could be nothing but a mock up of the company internet site.
Get real. These people are professionals and you have to trust them to some degree.
Hell, you have given them permission to break into your company system.
Besides, is it so farfetched that the President has his password set as 'IBGOD' and the head of networking doesn't have the guts to point out this is a bad choice for a password?
I have decided to take Internet Explorer 6.whatever and strip it down and reskin it so it is only a few megs.
You will loose some functionality but Micro$oft still offers IE6.whatever for you for free.
Screw it, I won't sell it.
But I will claim it as my own.
And the difference is..................
I have owned a Tivo for several years. 2 years ago instead of trying to convince my parents what was so special about Tivo I just simply bought them one for there 30 year wedding anniversery.
Niether of my Parents want to leave a Tivo-less existence now.
I have a close friend that just got the Dish network with built in PVR.
I checked it out.
Bleh. I mean it, bleh, bleh and bleh.
I don't like it at all. I won't tell her that though. It is not as user friendly, doesn't have the thumbs up and thumbs down buttons.
I think Tivo might be here to stay.
Will the Darwin Award cover my burial expense?
Cause the non-weld easy build pulse engine seems doable. But I don't have adequate life insurance.
Wait a minute, what do I care?
I'll just leave instructions to charge it to my VISA.
I am having a lot of trouble with this. How is it even a little bit possible that someone at Micro$oft thinks this is a good idea?
Seriously. What company in there right mind wants people associating there products with taking a dump in a dirty, smelly public toilet?
I know what the oppinion of Micro$oft is, but how can you be that succesful and this dumb?
My question is this. Is it possible that Micro$oft knows damn well that this thing is a failure waiting to happen?
Is there some sort of advantage to throwing money away?
Maybe they are hiding the financing of another project behind this?
Or is there some sort of tax write off. Where you save X amount of tax dollars by spending Y amount of money and having it be a failure?
Anyone here want to comment on this?
I didn't know that Bruce grew to a 20 foot hight when he turned into the Hulk.
It looks like there are some defenite hight descreptencies between the scenes. There is one scene where his hand is holding a chick like she was a Barbie doll.
Yeah. Affleck was D'bomb in Phantoms.
I won't post anonymously.
For the people that can't read between your lines I will just make the point you are making a little bit more clear.
The majority of AIDS victims are sex workers, drug users and gay people. Only a minority of of AIDS victims are heterosexual-non sex working-non-drug using people.
The majority of heart disease victims, stroke victims and victims of the common cold are normal people.
Therefore we need to take the resources from HIV away and put them to a better cause.
Is that at little clearer?
Why did we go to the Moon? Because it was hard.
That was good enough reason for the moon and it is a good enough reason to cure Aids.
When you fired your gun the recoil would shoot you to the other end of the room.
Oooohhhhh we could simulate disabled in first person shooters by randomizing the keyboard every 3 minutes. At exactly the same time you figured out which one was your 'see through walls/auto-aim' key it would randomly switch. That would make you look retarded and play retarded.
'Hacking' is such a general term today. Be careful applying a single set of morality traits on people just because they want to be a 'hacker'.
I think a good comparison would be these 16-20 year old kiddies that modify there cars and drag race at night and on weekends.
This is illegal in the same sense as 'hacking' is a crime. Actually in some respects I could argue more so. For one the odds of these kids getting busted for racing and fined, or having there license suspended or (god forbid) ending up in jail or seriously injured is much greater then with hackers.
And yet hackers are the same age group. And a strict sample of the population would probably show that the amount of people that consider themselves 'hackers' is very similar to the amount of kids that race in there Ford Escorts turned Race cars.
Do you hold it against your mechanic if he was a drag racing kiddie back in his day?
Probably not. You probably consider it a bonus.
I'm sorry, what was my point again?
I dress her up sexy as all out hell.
My #1 motivation is an asthetic appeal to me.
And asthetics, I would rather be looking at that.
You asked about pink or blue undies. I am gonna pretend that I know where you are going with that remark.
I wear pink and blue striped undies.
For one I think that the idea of 'cyberdating' is, in a word, lame.
Seriously.. seriously lame.
Bottom line on this is that if you are talking to a female character on any MMORPG it is statistcly more likely it is really a guy anyways.
So if you are playing a guy and hitting on women.... you are really.... hitting on....
Like I said I consider it lame anyways.
Something else though. I enjoy the 'role playing' aspect of it. If you don't know what 'role playing' is then you need to talk to your elders. It was all the rage way back then.
While I will never 'byte' and date online like that. I might flirt. What the hell?
In RPG's, MMORPGS and Sims Online (I am the person you heard about that actually enjoys it :) Don't worry, I start medication next week) I almost exclusively play as a female character.
And yes I am male.
The number 1 reason I do this is because I would rather be staring at a sexy gal while I waste my life on these games then a male character.
Besides isn't the point of RPG's to pretend to be something you are not?
How is it even possible that someone smart enought to:
1. Travel back in time from the year 2256
2. Make like a quarter of a billion dollars from a meager $800 investment
Can at the same time not be smart enough to:
1. Check up on his criminal record and see if he ever got busted for insider trading.
Besides, you mean to tell me that this is the best way for someone from 2256 that has access to a time machine to make a measly quarter of a billion dollars?
Forgive me. I posted this in a different article a few days ago. I didn't really get any feedback. This subject fits my question much better.
Lets say that one day a computer passes the Turing test. Then lets say that a few years later it passes it again, only this time it passes utilizing voice recognition and speech synthesis.
If you think about it this is gonna be a really hard test for the computer to pass. I can't even imagine what is involved in figuring in voice inflection, accents and stuff like that.
Anyways it is at the point where you are on the telephone and you can converse with a computer and you have no idea it is a machine.
Hence, it passed the Turing test.
What happens if the computer begins to make the argument that turning it off and disasembling it is no different then killing a person or an animal?
What happens if the computer starts to make the argument that it is capable of thought?
What are the implications of that?
I work with people that are militant for this issue.
I like to have a hard copy of what I am working on in my hands. I like a paper phone list. For me it is functionality, I never mastered having a zillion windows up, as well as convience, that phone list is exactly where I left it.
I do the same thing at home, hence a printer is mandatory.
But I work with these people that think that paper is for the stone age. They throw away my phone lists and documentation without ever consulting me. When approached about it they just shrug there shoulders and say that everything is online. They act like I need to change my ways because they are fine with that.
Sigh, the troubles of being a night-shift, weekend computer operator.
Okay I'll bite.
You said that cigarette smoke damages printers.
How?
I don't smoke but I repair friends PC's. I can't deal with keeping there towers in my apartment when I am fixing them. They just absorb like a sponge the smoke.
I never thought it would be actually harming anything. I thought it was just a nuisance for me.
FWIW: I am honestly curious. I am not a militant anti-smoker. I am just honestly puzzled.
Every Tivo owner has at one point or another picked up a friends remote and absent mindedly looked for the pause or the fast forward button.
Or when a friend says something to me like 'Damn, I never get to see Southpark, I work that night.'. I tend to look at them blankly and think 'what does that matter?'.
It tends to take me a few minutes to realize that they don't have a Tivo and it does matter.
Or when someone asks me what time or station some program I like comes on. I have had a Tivo for so long that I honestly don't know - or care.
Case in point, those voice recognition directories that companies use to reduce there customer service costs.
Oh and toasters that can be plugged into the microwave.
The most important question here is company policy. Is there any documentation that says that YOU will get in trouble for deleting an email from someones box without there authorization?
A better question is are there any existing rules that can be bent in such a way as to get you in trouble?
If the answer is yes then I don't see any real problem here. Dude wants to cheat on his wife and he doesn't know the proper spelling of his honey's name, lesson in that.
After you get over that obstacle then you need to be careful to take a technical/policy road and not a moral/ethical one.
Don't forget that many companies have policies against using work email for non-work tasks.
What happens if a computer passes the Turing test? Furthermore what happens if it can pass an audio (speech synthesis/voice recognition) Turing test?
If a computer can fool you into thinking it is alive, which is the basic premise of the Turing test, and then it makes the argument that turning it off, or dissasembling it is like killing it, well where does that place us?
Consider this, many people consider the basic difference between people and machines (or animals as some would argue) is self awareness. How do you define self awareness?
I am sure that PETA people would say that killing anything self aware is wrong.
Well...?
I bought Rallisport Challenge a few weeks ago and when I pulled the 3 CD's out of the cardboard sleeves the 3rd disc was scratched.
FWIW I bought it from buy.com and it was a new copy.
So I called Microsoft. They asked for the CD Set number and I gave it to them. They then mailed me out a new set of CD's. They arrived in less then a week.
On a side note, did this keep me from playing?
Hell no. I had been playing the game for 2 weeks before buying it anyways. I bought it because it was a good game without any major hiccups on my system. It passed my quality test so I spent money on it.
Anyways, the CD's arrived and they are all good to go and everything. But there is something interesting I took notice of.
First off the CD's come in a plastic sleeve with no license to speak of. They have written on the CD's themselves (white backrgound with black letters I think, they cannot be mistaken for the CD's I got from Buy.Com) 'Unlicensed Software. Illegal without License. Do Not Copy'. of course this isn't the same thing as this article, I had the license from the copy I bought.
But the other weird thing, the thing I am writing this reply about is this. Disks 2 and 3 were both normal silver pressed CD's.
Disc 1 has a green tint to it. It looks an awful lot like a CDR type disk. Almost like Microsoft doesn't pre-prints disks 2 and 3 but writes disk 1 as it needs.
Anyone have any ideas on what the dealio is with this?
Call me paranoid, but I came up with one idea.
What if Micro$oft puts some sort of ID number on those disks. I image it and post it and they find it on the newsgroups and know it was me?
In a worst case scenerio:
I can use Alcohol 120% to make an image to the hard drive of the disk.
Then I search for a utility like ISO BUSTER to yank the CDA tracks directly from the CD.
I create a new ISO from the raw CDA tracks and mount that to a virtual drive.
I then rip as normal.
Did I just violate the DMCA?
Seriously though, this is just my best guess at how to get around truly evil copy protection. I haven't tried it yet and it probably needs some serious refinement at some point.
Let me get this straight...
I point you to an informative, detailed and most importantly fact based document with supporting evidence that I wrote, but because I disagree with you, because I can site facts and you cannot, I am a troll.
Gotcha. Just as long as we are on the same page.
Home of the free indeed.
Some problems can only be solved militarily.
I give you Germany and Japan. The original Gulf war. Some people only understand force. And some people will only go out dead.
Iraq is hurting it's people.
To deny that is to deny the people of Iraq the basic human rights you enjoy.
And to protest this war, to call it illegal, to want it stopped, that too is denying the people of Iraq there basic human rights.
Did you read my post?
I made it plain there that I don't like GW going in under the Weapons of Mass Destruction thing. The US has a honorable and proud tradition of fighting for people that cannot fight for themselves. If you look you will find stacks and stacks and stacks of information that point to just how brutal, nasty and evil a man Saddam is. You will also begin to understand that these people don't stand a chance standing up to him.
Saddam is (was I am convinced we got him) a dictator for life. One of his sons was gonna take his seat. What a depressing and terrible thing.
I don't care what anyone thinks the reasoning is for going in to this. We have no need for a 51'st state. If we wanted a 51'st state we would take Canada.
And you know maybe some people will make a few bucks off this. Good for them. We are spending $100,000,000,000 on this. And I have heard nothing of us asking anyone for restitution.
And did we help to create this mess during the Carter administration?
Yes. We did. And that affects the here and now?
And for the record, did we help to create the mess that is Osama? In a manner of speaking, yeah.
But you have to be fair.
We didn't create those lunatics. There Mommies and Daddies did that. Those people created there own mess.
So call it us cleaning up our mess if you would like. I have no issue with that. But for the love of the Iraqi people stand aside and allow us to free them.
Biased?
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Yeah obviously. You hate Americans, you hate George Bush and you hate the Iraqi people even more.
Good for you.
I on the other hand contain no bias. Only facts.
Go here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58720&cid=561
I am sure you will write something back like 'Lies all Lies!'.
I mean Saddam is a hero right?
He is a freedom fighter?
You are a tool.
I got some advice, if you don't like the truth, then just simply don't believe it.