Wait a minute. Wouldn't a Libertarian president/senate/congress be a corporate wet dream?
Hardly, since he could never get Congress to pass anything and he'd veto everything. As I think we've got too many laws already, well, I think that's a GOOD thing.
I don't have a problem with Obama's liberal views. My problem is his Senate campaign was financed by bankers, and in payment he turned around and voted for "bankrupcy reform". That bill is going to make a lot of middle class people lose their homes, and I don't consider that very "liberal".
I consider Obama to be just another corporate stooge. If he were honest about being a corporate stooge I could at least respect that, but he isn't even honest about it.
I know more than one person who won't vote for Obama because they are afraid of just that - that Obama will be assassinated. They remember Kennedy and King; not Martin Luther, but Rodney. They see the chaos the King beatings caused in LA and fear that the whole US will go up in smoke if the first black President is assassinated.
And some of these people would otherwise vote for him.
Out of millions of black people in the US there are undoubtedly a few who will vote against Obama. But I never talked to those folks. Black people I talk to are all, 100% of them, voting for Obama. Some say it's because they're Democrats, some say they think he's the best candidate, some say it's because they think it would be hilarious to have a black man in the white house, and some say "Fuck you mcgrew, you want dis reefer o' not? I ain't here ta talk politics wit' yo' ass muthafucka!"
fact: 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened
I think the dictionary is a bit more reliable as to the meaning of words than youtube is. Perhaps next time you might use uncyclopedia is the ultimate repository (or suppository) of truth and knowledge?
[edit] Common Usages of Facts Facts are commonly used in many ways, such as to signify mathematical dismissal, to spend time spreading bullshit, to get smart, to make it all up as you go along, to bungle something, or to act carefully or foolishly, as if full of cheese doodles. "The truth is more important than the facts." - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959) So if you are a true person and you have to tell a fact, let out the truth, frankly speaking..[Citation not needed at all; thank you very much]
No, ALL black people won't vote because of skin color, and not all who will vote for Obama because of his skin color are racists. There are white people who will be voting for Obama because of his skin color, who, like blacks, would like to see someone who isn't white in the White House for a change.
And you are correct in stating that Obama isn't black; his mother is white. But to claim that "black" means "decended from slaves" is absurd; there were free blacks thrioughout American history, and there were slaves that were freed by various mneans during slavery. A black person whose great great great grandfather was free may have been descended from slaves, as that man's father (or mother) might have been a slave.
OTOH I worked with a fellow (now retired) who was truly an African American: he was born in Nigeria and emmigrated here, and became a citizen shortly before retirin. To say he "isn't black" is ignorant.
At least we have two parties, which is better than one-party "systems"...
I don't see us as having two parties. Both parties overwhelmingly voted for the Bono Act, Bankrupcy reform, the PATRIOT Act, the DMCA, are both against marijuana, are both against Prostitution.
There was more difference between the various factions of the USSR's Communist Party than there are between the two factions of our single Corporate Republicrat Party.
But you're right about the way it's set up. So long as one can donate to people one isn't eligibele to vote for, and so long as one can "donate" to more than one candidate in any given race, you're going to have two parties. Or at least, the illusion of two parties.
I got that "truly shocking idea" from friends - friends who happen to be black. They would love little better than to see somone of their own color elected President and aren't ashamed to say so.
Maybe it's just a Springfield thing, but I know all the black people I know in Springfield would vote for George Bush is he were black.
I also know rednecks who will vote against Obama because he's black.
Living in Springfield I walked past his Senate election HQ whan he ran; it was next door to recycled Records. I never saw anyone in there who wasn't black. I never saw a white candidate's HQ where everyone there was white, or an Asian candidate's HQ where everyone was Asian.
Perhaps my judgement is colored by where I live.
-mcgrew
PS: For the record, my eyes are hazel and my hair was brown before it turned gray.
Well, son, lets see. There's someone who keeps posting something on slashdot called a "GNAA troll". What's his name again? Oh yeah, "Anonymous Coward." What was your name again? Oh yeah, "Anonymous Coward".
Dude, that GNAA troll is getting old, can't you come up with something else?
Nader is a sore point with me. It highlights too effectively that our government is 100% run by the corporations.
When Nader last ran for President, he wan't on the ballot in enough states to win the election even if he won every state he was on the ballot on. The Libertarians were on the ballot in 49 states.
never the less, the corporate media (Times, Tribune, CNN, etc) slobbered all over Nader, some editorializing that he should be included in the debates, while completely ignoring the Libertarian.
Since my vote is meaningless anyway, I'll vote for whatever of the dozen or so "third parties" wind up on my ballot. It's my way of protesting.
That, and ignoring the fucking laws.
-mcgrew
PS: sorrry for the language but I'm in a bad mood today, and slashdot's ignoring the candidates I'd like to vote for in favor of the candidates I refuse to vote for pisses me off even more.
Jimmy Carter said that she's not liberal enough for him
Fidel Castro isn't liberal enough for Jimmy Carter.
It's also why Ted Kennedy and a lot of the rest of the liberal establishment of the Democratic Party endorsed Obama.
It doesn't matter why conservatives hate Clinton, nor does it matter why most rednecks I talk to hate Obama. The fact is both are hated, but nobody hates McCain.
Will we now have computers that do base 4 arithemetic rather than base 2? At leat the memory of them? Or is this exactly what the INtell engineers are saying?
Could this new technology be used for CPUs as well, or only memory?
That's Paul's best attribute. He would never get any legislation through congress, and would veto about anything they sent him.
I think we have too many laws already, and anyone who will veto all the new ones is fine by me, whatever his politics.
I'd like to see term limits on laws; all laws are automatically repealed after ten years unless reinstated by both the Senate and House. Do we really need to protect the sugar beet farmers against the foreigners?
People vote for the President for all the wrong reasons. He's not Constitutionally mandated to pass laws; that's Congresses job. His job is enforcing the laws, and vetoing the laws he doesn't want to enforce.
When the Democrats run Congress I want a Republican President. When the Republicans run Congress I want a Democrat President. That is, if I can't have a President from any of the other parties.
Bush went his whole first term without vetoing a single bill. I never thought I'd see a worse President than Carter, but Bush proved me wrong.
Don't you support corporate welfare? In our corporate-run facist society you are supposed to deride the poor woman working two jobs to support her children because she gets food stamps because "well if she can't support them she shouldn't have them" while cheering the corporations your tax dollars go to in th eform of "pork" who aren't forced to pay workers enough to live on.
It's the Corporate American way.
The "child tax credits", food stamps, and other government handouts to "the poor" subsidise the corporations that don't have to pay Americans a living wage. The corporations are the true recipients of all American government handouts.
The foreign owned and run corporations have bought America's government and corporate owned news outlets have brainwashed Americans, including slashdotters who are supposed to have brains. Think again; no, think once you haven't yet.
Damn but I'm in a bad mood today and reading slashdot ain't helpin' much. From the thing about Democrats and Republicans (but no Greens or Libertarians) to this fucking bullshit about the world's richest man's company being on welfare... well I'm not happy with my stupid, stupid countrymen.
This story is to discuss the remaining democratic candidates for president. Please keep discussions limited to talk about Hillary and Obama. Keep discussions of the other party in the other story.
I am incredibly disappointed in slashdot today. To quote a commenter in the Republican story, "what is this, Fox news?"
We have more than two parties in the US. The last election had the Libertarians on the ballot in all but one state. None of the corporate news outlets mentioned this salient fact!
Another salient FACT is the FACT that the next President will be Republican. Both Obama and Clinton have far too many people who hate them for either of them to win the General Election.
The mainstream media say if you vote for a "third party" your vote is wasted, since they have no chance of winning. Well, the Democrats have no chance of winning this election, since they will nominate Obama of Clinton, both of whom are hated by too many people to have a snowball in hell's chance of winning.
So following the mainstream media's logic, any vote except e Republican vote is wasted this election.
But I don't follow that flawed reasoning. I am against the DMCA, the Bono Act, drug lwas, prostitution laws, gambling laws, the "Patriot" act, NSA surveillance of Americans, and all the other laws the multinational corporations have paid Congress to pass in the oast twenty years, all of which were passed by a clear majority of both wings of the corporate party that slashdot has wasted space discussing..
I say a vote for a candidate who will vote in laws I don't want is worse than a wasted vote. I'm splitting my vote between the Greens and the Libertarians. I'm not wasting my vote on a Republicrat, whether Obama, Clinton, or McCain. I, for one, do NOT welcome our old corporate overloirds, and I, for one, refuse to follow their unconstitutional laws.
I'm voting for him Tuesday, but you know as well as I do that it will be our last chance to vote for him, unless you live in his state. Nobody gets elected President, or is even nominated, unless the corporations want him there.
And the corporations aren't for Ron Paul. Nor are they for the Constitution. Nor are their CEOs and presidents patriots; these are MULTINATIONAL corporations. Our President will be selected by fine upstanding patriotic American corporations like Sony and British Petroleum and Shell and Crysler.
John McCain will ne the next President.
I say this because he's got the Republican nomination pretty much sewn up, and he's a moderate.
The Democrats will either nominate Obama (the most likely) or Clkinton. There are too many people, especially Republicans, who hate them both for either to be elected. And neither of them are moderates.
Evidence schmevidence, I for one won't believe in any of this black hole nonsense until I actually see one.
You guys kill me. You can't see black holes; you have no evidence for cosmic strings whatever, there is nothing but conjecture about wormholes, we've been talking about antiparticles for decades (has one of our colliders actually made one yet?), you talk of photons spontaneously appearing out of nothing, and nobody has ever witnessed any of these things.
But yet the idea of God is beneath your contempt and when I spek of him here I am ridiculed, and my witness to his existance is either a lie or a hallucination. Maybe you can't see black holes because you're blind?
-mcgrew
Considering this is slashdot maybe I should do a journal about black ho's?
Key words: could have. The fact is that nobody has the faintest idea how life started. Evolution doesn't explain the beginning of life, only how it has changed.
Before there was life, everything was dead. How did a randome mixture of dead chemicals become alive? Nobody has the slightest clue; or if they have, they haven't communicated it to me.
Here's a thought: Was there life on the planet that became earth before the object that slammed into it creating the earth and its moon existed?
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Wait a minute. Wouldn't a Libertarian president/senate/congress be a corporate wet dream?
Hardly, since he could never get Congress to pass anything and he'd veto everything. As I think we've got too many laws already, well, I think that's a GOOD thing.
I don't have a problem with Obama's liberal views. My problem is his Senate campaign was financed by bankers, and in payment he turned around and voted for "bankrupcy reform". That bill is going to make a lot of middle class people lose their homes, and I don't consider that very "liberal".
I consider Obama to be just another corporate stooge. If he were honest about being a corporate stooge I could at least respect that, but he isn't even honest about it.
i find its fairly naive to think that one will find a candidate that that they believe in 100%
You're not going to get 100%, but you can do better than 2% or 3%.
I know more than one person who won't vote for Obama because they are afraid of just that - that Obama will be assassinated. They remember Kennedy and King; not Martin Luther, but Rodney. They see the chaos the King beatings caused in LA and fear that the whole US will go up in smoke if the first black President is assassinated.
And some of these people would otherwise vote for him.
I, for one, welcome bad rasting jokes.
Out of millions of black people in the US there are undoubtedly a few who will vote against Obama. But I never talked to those folks. Black people I talk to are all, 100% of them, voting for Obama. Some say it's because they're Democrats, some say they think he's the best candidate, some say it's because they think it would be hilarious to have a black man in the white house, and some say "Fuck you mcgrew, you want dis reefer o' not? I ain't here ta talk politics wit' yo' ass muthafucka!"
I think the dictionary is a bit more reliable as to the meaning of words than youtube is. Perhaps next time you might use uncyclopedia is the ultimate repository (or suppository) of truth and knowledge?
No, ALL black people won't vote because of skin color, and not all who will vote for Obama because of his skin color are racists. There are white people who will be voting for Obama because of his skin color, who, like blacks, would like to see someone who isn't white in the White House for a change.
And you are correct in stating that Obama isn't black; his mother is white. But to claim that "black" means "decended from slaves" is absurd; there were free blacks thrioughout American history, and there were slaves that were freed by various mneans during slavery. A black person whose great great great grandfather was free may have been descended from slaves, as that man's father (or mother) might have been a slave.
OTOH I worked with a fellow (now retired) who was truly an African American: he was born in Nigeria and emmigrated here, and became a citizen shortly before retirin. To say he "isn't black" is ignorant.
At least we have two parties, which is better than one-party "systems"...
I don't see us as having two parties. Both parties overwhelmingly voted for the Bono Act, Bankrupcy reform, the PATRIOT Act, the DMCA, are both against marijuana, are both against Prostitution.
There was more difference between the various factions of the USSR's Communist Party than there are between the two factions of our single Corporate Republicrat Party.
But you're right about the way it's set up. So long as one can donate to people one isn't eligibele to vote for, and so long as one can "donate" to more than one candidate in any given race, you're going to have two parties. Or at least, the illusion of two parties.
I got that "truly shocking idea" from friends - friends who happen to be black. They would love little better than to see somone of their own color elected President and aren't ashamed to say so.
Maybe it's just a Springfield thing, but I know all the black people I know in Springfield would vote for George Bush is he were black.
I also know rednecks who will vote against Obama because he's black.
Living in Springfield I walked past his Senate election HQ whan he ran; it was next door to recycled Records. I never saw anyone in there who wasn't black. I never saw a white candidate's HQ where everyone there was white, or an Asian candidate's HQ where everyone was Asian.
Perhaps my judgement is colored by where I live.
-mcgrew
PS: For the record, my eyes are hazel and my hair was brown before it turned gray.
Well, son, lets see. There's someone who keeps posting something on slashdot called a "GNAA troll". What's his name again? Oh yeah, "Anonymous Coward." What was your name again? Oh yeah, "Anonymous Coward".
Dude, that GNAA troll is getting old, can't you come up with something else?
Nader is a sore point with me. It highlights too effectively that our government is 100% run by the corporations.
When Nader last ran for President, he wan't on the ballot in enough states to win the election even if he won every state he was on the ballot on. The Libertarians were on the ballot in 49 states.
never the less, the corporate media (Times, Tribune, CNN, etc) slobbered all over Nader, some editorializing that he should be included in the debates, while completely ignoring the Libertarian.
Since my vote is meaningless anyway, I'll vote for whatever of the dozen or so "third parties" wind up on my ballot. It's my way of protesting.
That, and ignoring the fucking laws.
-mcgrew
PS: sorrry for the language but I'm in a bad mood today, and slashdot's ignoring the candidates I'd like to vote for in favor of the candidates I refuse to vote for pisses me off even more.
Change the law to benefit us and then see us benefit instead of just cribbing.
The problem is that we, the people, are beholden to the corporations that own Fox, CNN, The Chicago Tribune, the New York Times, ets for our news.
I, as a person, can't afford to donate ten million dollars to my Senator's reelection campaign and another ten million to his opponent's campaign.
The internet may well change the first of the two problems, but I see little hope of ever getting the second one fixed.
Jimmy Carter said that she's not liberal enough for him
Fidel Castro isn't liberal enough for Jimmy Carter.
It's also why Ted Kennedy and a lot of the rest of the liberal establishment of the Democratic Party endorsed Obama.
It doesn't matter why conservatives hate Clinton, nor does it matter why most rednecks I talk to hate Obama. The fact is both are hated, but nobody hates McCain.
Will we now have computers that do base 4 arithemetic rather than base 2? At leat the memory of them? Or is this exactly what the INtell engineers are saying?
Could this new technology be used for CPUs as well, or only memory?
That's Paul's best attribute. He would never get any legislation through congress, and would veto about anything they sent him.
I think we have too many laws already, and anyone who will veto all the new ones is fine by me, whatever his politics.
I'd like to see term limits on laws; all laws are automatically repealed after ten years unless reinstated by both the Senate and House. Do we really need to protect the sugar beet farmers against the foreigners?
People vote for the President for all the wrong reasons. He's not Constitutionally mandated to pass laws; that's Congresses job. His job is enforcing the laws, and vetoing the laws he doesn't want to enforce.
When the Democrats run Congress I want a Republican President. When the Republicans run Congress I want a Democrat President. That is, if I can't have a President from any of the other parties.
Bush went his whole first term without vetoing a single bill. I never thought I'd see a worse President than Carter, but Bush proved me wrong.
I sure wish Ron Paul would win, but that is extraordinarily unlikely.
I wish someone except a Republican or Democrat would won, but that is even more unlikely.
White racicts hate Obama, and there are a lot more of them than anyone will ever let on.
OTOH every black voter will vote for him if he's on the ballot, like white racists voting against him, simply because of the color of his skin.
Sad but true.
I thought we had but were too lazy to google. But they've been predicted decades before their existance was certain.
I'm wondering whether my comment above will be modded troll, flamebait, or offtopic?
I don't have a thousand dollars, I never bet money I can't afford to lose. I've been offering five dollar bets on it to drinking buddies though.
Don't you support corporate welfare? In our corporate-run facist society you are supposed to deride the poor woman working two jobs to support her children because she gets food stamps because "well if she can't support them she shouldn't have them" while cheering the corporations your tax dollars go to in th eform of "pork" who aren't forced to pay workers enough to live on.
It's the Corporate American way.
The "child tax credits", food stamps, and other government handouts to "the poor" subsidise the corporations that don't have to pay Americans a living wage. The corporations are the true recipients of all American government handouts.
The foreign owned and run corporations have bought America's government and corporate owned news outlets have brainwashed Americans, including slashdotters who are supposed to have brains. Think again; no, think once you haven't yet.
Damn but I'm in a bad mood today and reading slashdot ain't helpin' much. From the thing about Democrats and Republicans (but no Greens or Libertarians) to this fucking bullshit about the world's richest man's company being on welfare... well I'm not happy with my stupid, stupid countrymen.
-mcgrew
This story is to discuss the remaining democratic candidates for president. Please keep discussions limited to talk about Hillary and Obama. Keep discussions of the other party in the other story.
I am incredibly disappointed in slashdot today. To quote a commenter in the Republican story, "what is this, Fox news?"
We have more than two parties in the US. The last election had the Libertarians on the ballot in all but one state. None of the corporate news outlets mentioned this salient fact!
Another salient FACT is the FACT that the next President will be Republican. Both Obama and Clinton have far too many people who hate them for either of them to win the General Election.
The mainstream media say if you vote for a "third party" your vote is wasted, since they have no chance of winning. Well, the Democrats have no chance of winning this election, since they will nominate Obama of Clinton, both of whom are hated by too many people to have a snowball in hell's chance of winning.
So following the mainstream media's logic, any vote except e Republican vote is wasted this election.
But I don't follow that flawed reasoning. I am against the DMCA, the Bono Act, drug lwas, prostitution laws, gambling laws, the "Patriot" act, NSA surveillance of Americans, and all the other laws the multinational corporations have paid Congress to pass in the oast twenty years, all of which were passed by a clear majority of both wings of the corporate party that slashdot has wasted space discussing..
I say a vote for a candidate who will vote in laws I don't want is worse than a wasted vote. I'm splitting my vote between the Greens and the Libertarians. I'm not wasting my vote on a Republicrat, whether Obama, Clinton, or McCain. I, for one, do NOT welcome our old corporate overloirds, and I, for one, refuse to follow their unconstitutional laws.
mcgrew
Police State: In USSA, cops hassle YOU!
I'm voting for him Tuesday, but you know as well as I do that it will be our last chance to vote for him, unless you live in his state. Nobody gets elected President, or is even nominated, unless the corporations want him there.
And the corporations aren't for Ron Paul. Nor are they for the Constitution. Nor are their CEOs and presidents patriots; these are MULTINATIONAL corporations. Our President will be selected by fine upstanding patriotic American corporations like Sony and British Petroleum and Shell and Crysler.
John McCain will ne the next President.
I say this because he's got the Republican nomination pretty much sewn up, and he's a moderate.
The Democrats will either nominate Obama (the most likely) or Clkinton. There are too many people, especially Republicans, who hate them both for either to be elected. And neither of them are moderates.
McCain will be the next President of the US.
-mcgrew
Radiation here! Radiation! Get yer radiation! Here ya go buddy, that'll be $3.50. Radiation! Get yer readiation!
Evidence schmevidence, I for one won't believe in any of this black hole nonsense until I actually see one.
You guys kill me. You can't see black holes; you have no evidence for cosmic strings whatever, there is nothing but conjecture about wormholes, we've been talking about antiparticles for decades (has one of our colliders actually made one yet?), you talk of photons spontaneously appearing out of nothing, and nobody has ever witnessed any of these things.
But yet the idea of God is beneath your contempt and when I spek of him here I am ridiculed, and my witness to his existance is either a lie or a hallucination. Maybe you can't see black holes because you're blind?
-mcgrew
Considering this is slashdot maybe I should do a journal about black ho's?
Key words: could have. The fact is that nobody has the faintest idea how life started. Evolution doesn't explain the beginning of life, only how it has changed.
Before there was life, everything was dead. How did a randome mixture of dead chemicals become alive? Nobody has the slightest clue; or if they have, they haven't communicated it to me.
Here's a thought: Was there life on the planet that became earth before the object that slammed into it creating the earth and its moon existed?
-mcgrew
no muse, no journal