You're also going out of your way to ignore the subsection link to "notability on wikipedia" as well as the word "Encyclopedically". This is not a stand alone sentence and occurs in amongst a lot of other information.
No, but your post summarizes how far out of the way you'll go to miss the point. Any outsider is welcome, it's when the outsider comes there because of a call to arms on a website or another place that it is a problem. Yes, people do frequently trip across those debates, and there are people who just regularly go through AfD on comment on any AfD going in a fairly objective manner. If someone finds that someone has posted a call to arms on a website and a bunch of ip addresses or brand new accounts start showing up making trivial arguments, it's quite apparent what is going on.
If you're making quality arguments in-line with wikipedia policies and guidelines, they're rarely ignored.
It's not remotely appropriate. The whole point of AfDs is generally to get opinions of people who edit the article and those who randomly come across it as well as people who may just regularly watch deletion discussions. They're hoping for a reasonably random sample. If one side goes out of their way to stack the deck, it's not really a fair discussion, which is why administrators generally don't even count votes and are supposed to look at the actual strength of the argument from both sides. However excessive meatpuppetry generally ends up creating controversial situations which in turn sometimes generates press, which may not have otherwise existed. The subject ends up being notable for being controversial and not because of what it was.
Most AfDs usually only generate a half a dozen to a dozen opinions. Someone posting on a forum could send a couple dozen people there, but most of them have zero clue about wikipedias policies and guidelines and end up making arguments that are utterly irrelative and end up doing little more than just disrupting the process.
While jimbo is often the face of Wikipedia he hasnt run things or commanded things there for a long time. Unless you find it on an official policy page it's just something jimbo says.
No not at all and the only douche baggery comes from someone trying to miss the point in a sarcastic and obvious manner. A meat puppet is not a random outside person. It's a person who Only comes to the discussion because they were prompted or instructed to mainly because the person asking then knew they would (not) vote a certain way. This usually occurs on a subjects fan forum blog etc. Where they post and say "everyone go write keep on this discussion"
sockpuppet means many accounts being controlled by a single person meat puppet is anyone who shows up simply to say something because someone else instructed them or asked them to.
They're actually different people, but they only joined the discussion because someone instructed them to, or went to some forum and said "Hey everybody look at this!" You can have existing editors be meat puppets, it's not just limited to off-wiki users, though typically that's the case.
The entire premise of this movie was garbage. The whole idea of a website that can't be shut down is ridiculous. If the government wanted to shut down a website right now, it would be done. Even if it was overseas, they could stop routing local traffic to it. They could also poison routes on the off chance that they couldn't get the DNS servers, or local ISP to pull the plug on the guy. the suspension of disbelief that is required to carry this movie is just beyond the pale.
Yes, there are threads about it all over the internet. There is no way to set it to a custom sound without jailbreaking it. but I have no interest in doing that, and my banking software actually stops working if I do anyway.
And yet through all that, it's still controlled by the carrier not Apple. If the carriers don't want it to be available, they'll just stop carrying the phone.
Apple didn't decided to have AT&T charge $20 for the feature, AT&T did. Apple still needs those companies to sell their phone.
Other countries, the feature is free and included.
I never said you did. You claimed the feature was rip-off, and yet, that's an issue with your carrier, not an issue with Apple. Not everyone has to pay to use it, it seems to only be American carriers who screw people so much.
Apple has made plenty of other boneheaded decisions with recent updates, but this isn't something they control.
Who said I was with Verizon and who said I had to pay anything to get the personal hotspot? I guess it's easy to say features are a waste of time when you can't see past the end of your own nose.
Has this been removed in 4.3 finally? It was one of their most idiotic changes in 4.2. When text message tone is set to none, that means no sound. Not "still make a sound"
Argue against it then. if the majority of the community doesn't want that and actually cares you should have no problem finding support for a policy/guideline change.
labelling people with derogatory terms does nothing but weaken your argument and tells me you don't really care about wikipedia as a whole but instead are ticked off about something personal.
Wikipedia was doing great, why would you want to limit it to only a subset of human knowledge? Information that I find trivial might interest my neighbor, so why would I delete an article about his precious snowflake? Why should my article about belly button lint have to be relevant?
because that is what wikipedia decided it wanted. You're free to fork it and start your own at any time. Wikipedia looks to the articles it has as a reflection of it's quality. Obscure precious snowflakes don't fit that criteria. That's what webhosts and other things are for.
and there is just as a big a problem with people who don't seem to understand what wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not and has never been a record of all human knowledge. Yet, there are plenty who want to use it to promote their special snowflake because they know how popular it is and it deserves such an audience!
They'll make all kinds of arguments about this and that, and about how their cousin Bob was searching for that very topic just that morning and he has cancer, so it was his last internet search and that is why wikipedia needs articles like that one he wrote about belly button lint.
In this day and age if you can't get a single reliable source anywhere at anytime to care about your subject, then no, it doesn't really need to be there. There are plenty of other wikis, even hosted by the same organization you could use to hold that information.
There is a cross platform messenger called Kakao Talk, that works like many others, except it's Korean made, which means an instant success here, with the proliferation of smart phones, sms will probably be gone within the year, as the only people who will hold onto their older style phones will be old people who don't text anyway.
I use Pingchat, which is also a cross platform app, to keep in touch with people out of country. Between the 2 of them, that's over 90% of the people I talk to.
Sure another app is nice, but I checked out Beluga and it didn't do much for me.
Is apple going to finally turn that off in iOS 4.3? There is no logic behind why it was added in 4.2, but when I set "text message tone - none" I expect there to be no tone. I don't expect there to still be a sound when I send and receive messages.
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yes and he faced pushback on that and a lot of images were restored. If he were the be all and end all, that wouldn't have happened.
You're also going out of your way to ignore the subsection link to "notability on wikipedia" as well as the word "Encyclopedically". This is not a stand alone sentence and occurs in amongst a lot of other information.
No, but your post summarizes how far out of the way you'll go to miss the point. Any outsider is welcome, it's when the outsider comes there because of a call to arms on a website or another place that it is a problem. Yes, people do frequently trip across those debates, and there are people who just regularly go through AfD on comment on any AfD going in a fairly objective manner. If someone finds that someone has posted a call to arms on a website and a bunch of ip addresses or brand new accounts start showing up making trivial arguments, it's quite apparent what is going on.
If you're making quality arguments in-line with wikipedia policies and guidelines, they're rarely ignored.
sum, not repository of
It's not remotely appropriate. The whole point of AfDs is generally to get opinions of people who edit the article and those who randomly come across it as well as people who may just regularly watch deletion discussions. They're hoping for a reasonably random sample. If one side goes out of their way to stack the deck, it's not really a fair discussion, which is why administrators generally don't even count votes and are supposed to look at the actual strength of the argument from both sides. However excessive meatpuppetry generally ends up creating controversial situations which in turn sometimes generates press, which may not have otherwise existed. The subject ends up being notable for being controversial and not because of what it was.
Most AfDs usually only generate a half a dozen to a dozen opinions. Someone posting on a forum could send a couple dozen people there, but most of them have zero clue about wikipedias policies and guidelines and end up making arguments that are utterly irrelative and end up doing little more than just disrupting the process.
While jimbo is often the face of Wikipedia he hasnt run things or commanded things there for a long time. Unless you find it on an official policy page it's just something jimbo says.
No not at all and the only douche baggery comes from someone trying to miss the point in a sarcastic and obvious manner. A meat puppet is not a random outside person. It's a person who Only comes to the discussion because they were prompted or instructed to mainly because the person asking then knew they would (not) vote a certain way. This usually occurs on a subjects fan forum blog etc. Where they post and say "everyone go write keep on this discussion"
sockpuppet means many accounts being controlled by a single person
meat puppet is anyone who shows up simply to say something because someone else instructed them or asked them to.
They're actually different people, but they only joined the discussion because someone instructed them to, or went to some forum and said "Hey everybody look at this!"
You can have existing editors be meat puppets, it's not just limited to off-wiki users, though typically that's the case.
That is in fact not their stated objective.
Hence the problem some people have.
The entire premise of this movie was garbage. The whole idea of a website that can't be shut down is ridiculous. If the government wanted to shut down a website right now, it would be done. Even if it was overseas, they could stop routing local traffic to it.
They could also poison routes on the off chance that they couldn't get the DNS servers, or local ISP to pull the plug on the guy.
the suspension of disbelief that is required to carry this movie is just beyond the pale.
Max 500 sites?
Lame.
I see way more junk sites turning up in searches than simply 500.
I haven't been concerned with what my mom will like in 15 years and 14000km..
Yes, there are threads about it all over the internet. There is no way to set it to a custom sound without jailbreaking it.
but I have no interest in doing that, and my banking software actually stops working if I do anyway.
And yet through all that, it's still controlled by the carrier not Apple. If the carriers don't want it to be available, they'll just stop carrying the phone.
Apple didn't decided to have AT&T charge $20 for the feature, AT&T did. Apple still needs those companies to sell their phone.
Other countries, the feature is free and included.
I never said you did. You claimed the feature was rip-off, and yet, that's an issue with your carrier, not an issue with Apple.
Not everyone has to pay to use it, it seems to only be American carriers who screw people so much.
Apple has made plenty of other boneheaded decisions with recent updates, but this isn't something they control.
Who said I was with Verizon and who said I had to pay anything to get the personal hotspot?
I guess it's easy to say features are a waste of time when you can't see past the end of your own nose.
Interestingly there is a whole big world out there beyond AT&T. My carrier offers unlimited data plans.
and after the update, the answer to that is no.
Fuck you apple. Fuck you very much.
Has this been removed in 4.3 finally? It was one of their most idiotic changes in 4.2. When text message tone is set to none, that means no sound. Not "still make a sound"
Argue against it then. if the majority of the community doesn't want that and actually cares you should have no problem finding support for a policy/guideline change.
labelling people with derogatory terms does nothing but weaken your argument and tells me you don't really care about wikipedia as a whole but instead are ticked off about something personal.
because that is what wikipedia decided it wanted. You're free to fork it and start your own at any time.
Wikipedia looks to the articles it has as a reflection of it's quality. Obscure precious snowflakes don't fit that criteria. That's what webhosts and other things are for.
and there is just as a big a problem with people who don't seem to understand what wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not and has never been a record of all human knowledge. Yet, there are plenty who want to use it to promote their special snowflake because they know how popular it is and it deserves such an audience!
They'll make all kinds of arguments about this and that, and about how their cousin Bob was searching for that very topic just that morning and he has cancer, so it was his last internet search and that is why wikipedia needs articles like that one he wrote about belly button lint.
In this day and age if you can't get a single reliable source anywhere at anytime to care about your subject, then no, it doesn't really need to be there. There are plenty of other wikis, even hosted by the same organization you could use to hold that information.
There is a cross platform messenger called Kakao Talk, that works like many others, except it's Korean made, which means an instant success here, with the proliferation of smart phones, sms will probably be gone within the year, as the only people who will hold onto their older style phones will be old people who don't text anyway.
I use Pingchat, which is also a cross platform app, to keep in touch with people out of country. Between the 2 of them, that's over 90% of the people I talk to.
Sure another app is nice, but I checked out Beluga and it didn't do much for me.
It, like many luxury items, is a status symbol. That's the entire point. Those who can afford the status symbol simply wouldn't buy fakes.
and yes,I can't wait for the follow up rant about status symbols, but tell me why aren't you wearing a burlap sack or a moo-moo?
Is apple going to finally turn that off in iOS 4.3? There is no logic behind why it was added in 4.2, but when I set "text message tone - none" I expect there to be no tone. I don't expect there to still be a sound when I send and receive messages.