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13 Countries On US "Priority Watch List" For Copyright Piracy

hapworth writes "The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA) has submitted a report on the top 40 countries guilty of piracy to The Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR), which is preparing for its annual 'Special 301' report. This report describes the adequacy and effectiveness of US trading partners' protection of intellectual property rights. Among the 40 countries suggested by the IIPA for the watch list, 13 were recommended for placement on the USTR's 'Priority Watch List.' These countries include Argentina, Canada, Chile, China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Costa Rica, the Philippines, Spain, Ukraine, and Vietnam. While previous reports have focused on physical piracy, this year's emphasizes cracking down on online piracy."

277 comments

  1. What about America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its own country isnt on it?

    1. Re:What about America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the U.S. must be on the list -- TFS lists only 12, and there's no way I'm gonna RTFA, so I figured the U.S. is the 13th nation

    2. Re:What about America? by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Hmmm... I'll try to use US based proxies next time, instead of Canadian ones.

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    3. Re:What about America? by snookiex · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's not

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    4. Re:What about America? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why isn't the US on this list?

      Come on, lads, we're not trying hard enough!

      USA! USA!

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    5. Re:What about America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The missing country is Thailand. Why hapworth and/or samzenpus are trying to conceal is unclear, but I suspect CowboyNeal is in hiding there...

    6. Re:What about America? by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      Nope. Last time I looked it was two continents. North and South. I think you might be thinking of the United States of America.

    7. Re:What about America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Can't Understand Normal Thinking...they are referring to the top countries OUTSIDE the United States. Of course the US is number 1, JACKASS!

    8. Re:What about America? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Thailand is the only country where I have seen "fake" blu-ray discs for sale in shops. Now that is impressive. Whether they will actually play on a bluray player I don't know because I didn't buy them.

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    9. Re:What about America? by neoform · · Score: 1

      Lads?

      That dun sound very murikan of you... where'd you say yer from gain?

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    10. Re:What about America? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked

      Look again.

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    11. Re:What about America? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      where'd you say yer from gain?

      Born and raised, Little Italy, Chicago, Illinois - USA. You gotta problem wit dat?

      Taught for some years in Edinburgh a few decades ago.

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  2. The frozen north.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blame Canada!

    1. Re:The frozen north.... by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same... But why Canada?

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    2. Re:The frozen north.... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because our current laws and privacy regulations don't allow the MPAA and RIAA to send their jackbooted hire-a-thugs across the border to bother us.

      The US lawmakers and lobbyists (one in the same, really) are trying to force their shit down our throat.

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  3. I'm sorry mr. Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my country Windows is counted among free software, you mad?

    1. Re:I'm sorry mr. Ballmer by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Seriously dudes, mod this shit up, it IS funny because it's true.

    2. Re:I'm sorry mr. Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country Windows is available for Rs 100, so is Photoshop.

    3. Re:I'm sorry mr. Ballmer by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Like my friend who bought a Dell laptop and got a Windows 7 Ultimate DVD OEM thrown in for free? I mean he paid for that didn't he? That's not piracy is it? Oh yeah the store that sold him the laptop suggested that they had beetter provide the warrantee service rather than Dell because they were more "convenient": so very thoughtful of them!

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  4. speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by s4ltyd0g · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Phoque you eh?

    1. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously. We have a better and more stringent method for copy protection, and piracy. But we're evil or something. Must be because the 'gov' decided that downloading music isn't evil, or piracy if it's for personal use.

      Well that's okay, I don't listen to the shit they have on the radio.

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    2. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And as a Vietnamese to the USTR:

      Phuc yieu!

    3. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, do you have any idea why Canadia ended up on the list? The rest I can understand, with the possible exception of Spain, but Canada? Really?

    4. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a Canadian, do you have any idea why Canadia ended up on the list? The rest I can understand, with the possible exception of Spain, but Canada? Really?

      Canada is always included on their list of naughty countries. It's some trade association though, so take any of their claims with a mountain of salt.

      As usual, Michael Geist's site is refreshingly informative.
      http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3920/135/ "U.S. List Unfairly Tarnishes Canada's Digital Reputation" from 2009.

    5. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

      This has been a running issue for a few years now. I think it's largely because they want to make an example of Canada to convince them to pass the Canadian version of the DMCA.

    6. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lack of DMCA-type legislation, legal personal use copying (including downloading), and comparatively 'weak' penalties. If you aren't more gung-ho than the US in supporting the RIAA & MPAA you will be on the list.

    7. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by davester666 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because we don't authorize the 16 year old's working at movie theatre's to shoot people videotaping the movies.

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    8. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This wikipedia page might shed some light on why Canada made priority watch list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada

    9. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by hawkingradiation · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is because we have legislation in the works (Bill C-32) that the US government, er music and film industry, thinks will help give them more money. So far, it is called the "DMCA of Canada" for good reason. i.e. restriction of breaking digital locks for any reason, and although the Conservative government says it is willing to make modifications based on the input of Canadians, basically it has ignored the input given last summer by thousands of Canadians through "Copyright Consultations" and is pushing ahead. The Liberals (not a swear word here) have proposed modifications such as an Internet levy to pay for artists, however almost none of the money that the CD-levy has actually not gone to the artists themselves. Here is the Bill, and not is is a lot longer and complex that the original law that we have to today. Our Heritage Minister branded us as "not wanting to modernize Canadian law", because most Canadians who know about the law know that it does not need changing. In fact parts of the Canadian government seem to go lock-step with their US counterparts, with both Prentice (former Industry Minister) and Clement (current Industry Minister) being sent to the US to meet with US government officials about this law as one of the first things they have done when they took office. So to the US who is helping to introduce a law that most Canadians feel is unnecessary: "Go shove it".

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    10. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by techno_dan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I ignore the US on these and many world issues, because they only complain when Oil or money is involved, and only pass laws that increase profit for the few. Since money controls the US government, profit is God, and they will never allow fair use. In Canada, I buy any media, and I can break the encryption so that I can make backups, and also place them on my media server. I never give to others. At the same time, when a new CD comes out, I download some songs for free, and if I like enough of them, then buy the cd. If not, they are deleted. Why, because it is very rare now to hear albums on the radio, and in no way will I pay big bucks for something that ends up having one good track and the rest junk. Some will say "buy individual songs". I would if they were in the lossless format I use. What the world should do, is totally ignore the US. If they stop selling to us, then it is there loss.

    11. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why take a country by force when you can pretend to be an ally while at the same time subverting their sovereignty with bullied-through trade laws and influenced politicians?

    12. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by jrumney · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, do you have any idea why Canadia ended up on the list?

      Filesharing site hotfile.com has its servers there.

    13. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by hjf · · Score: 1

      As an Argentine, I am offended by your statement.

      If Spain is on that list, it's for a reason (Gee, maybe because most of the piracy webs --forums really-- in Spanish are Spain-based? Like, vagos.es for example?)

      And if Canada is too, i'm pretty sure there is a reason too.

      You know, living west on the northern hemisphere doesn't make you automatically innocent. Same way as the "rest of the world", especially us, down south, aren't all crooks.

    14. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed... half the time its hard even finding the one song you do want, while the rest of the album is garbage, I still buy movies and support the artists I enjoy, but there is only so much money in my pocket; downloading is a way of sifting though the crap and the 1 hit wonders....

      Why is it the downloaders fault and not the companies for jacking the prices for everything to obscene levels, and pushing out garbage like its gold? You can buy 3 new movies and pushing a 100+ dollar purchase if your lucky enough not to like foreign films.. then your looking at 40-100 for maybe 4-26 eps. Maybe its not that way in the states but this is just plain rape.

    15. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's ok. Soon America (Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots and the Abominations of the Earth) will get her just rewards. America will be destroyed in 1 hour for her transgressions.

      You don't have to believe me... just watch... and dump your American dollars as soon as you can before they become worthless.

    16. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by pnewhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's ok that Canada is on the list. The US is on Canada's list of countries harboring war criminals (Bush).

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    17. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Which, in my own opinion, it should not be... because in the case of P2P downloading, which is where almost 100% of it actually occurs, one is downloading it from someone who is typically infringing on copyright in the first place, and as a copy of an infringing copy, there is no compelling reason I can think of that the privileges associated with copyrighted works, such as the ability to legally make a private use copy for your own personal use, should actually apply.

      But if the court were to rule otherwise, it would be virtually impossible to enforce anyways.

    18. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean it as any kind of judgement. I was simply working on the basis that the incentive for copyright infringement tends to be much higher in countries with a somewhat lower GDP/capita (but one which is high enough that a decent number of people can still afford computers), and such countries also tend to have a smaller IP export industry, meaning that the governments tend to have more pressing issues driving genuine economic development than chasing after people who may or may not have deprived a foreign company of a few dollars.

      None of these apply to Canada, and it is culturally similar to the states (i.e. similar respect or lack thereof for creative work), which is why it struck me as the odd one out. No assumptions of guilt or innocence on anyone's part, just a simple "one of these things is not like the others".

    19. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Steve+Newall · · Score: 2

      Looking at the wiki page and the Government of Canada Justice department web site http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-42/page-5.html#anchorbo-ga:l_VIII it looks like copying for private use is NOT piracy. "Copying for Private Use ... onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording." I guess it's not the file sharers the US doesn't like, it's the Canadian government.

    20. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Yes, we are making the short list because our IP laws permit private copy and royalities are collected on blank DVD, CD and a couple of other media and redistributed to the artists as a way to pay them back and recognize at the same time it is impossible to control the phenomenon of file sharing unless we become a totalitarian country, which is not yet in our plans.

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    21. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, that's basically the situation. The most bizarre thing about Bill C-32 was the way Prentice (relevant minister at the time of the previous version) went into a press conference touting how great it would be for Canadians to be able to legally backup their DVD, CD or other media and transfer it to ipods and other devices. The new provisions in there specifically allowed this, whereas before it was always a grey zone whether it fell under fair dealing or not. When people asked him how it would be possible for people to legally exercise that new right when the proposed revisions simultaneously made it illegal to break the encryption on DVDs, he looked like a deer in the headlights. Either he had no clue that the legislation had contradictions built into it like that, or he didn't understand the question. Either way the new version isn't much better, this legislation has NOT been fully thought through, and although they've tried to blunt some of the stupidity that was in the US DMCA, it's a rather lackluster effort. And this is the third fricking time a revised copyright bill has been proposed via 3 different governments, and it's still not done right, with a decent balance! You'd think they'd get a clue after the ever-increasing amount of critical feedback they've been getting. The simplest solution to the problems of the anti-circumvention portions would be to say: if what you're doing isn't otherwise illegal under copyright law (e.g., what you're doing falls under fair dealing), then the anti-circumvention portions of the law don't apply. People have suggested that over and over again. It's obvious that they simply don't want to roll back some of the more egregious problems, probably because companies don't want any loopholes that might be exploited.

      "So to the US who is helping to introduce a law that most Canadians feel is unnecessary: "Go shove it"."

      That's not very Canadian.

      "Please shove it" would be a more appropriate response.

    22. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by hjf · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not about that, and here goes my usual rant again:

      Companies DON'T GIVE A FUCK about countries like mine. We don't have itunes, netflix, lala, pandora, hulu, xbox live, nothing. We also don't have game stores (microsoft doesn't import the xbox 360 or games, so even if you have one, you can't buy games simply because there are no places to buy them). Blockbuster closed too.

      Sony does import the PS3 (at USD 800) and games (2-3x the US price).

      So in one hand we have a middle class, with money, willing to buy things. In the other hand we have 60-something investors which think we still live in trees and there is no market for their products, and decide just not to sell them, or a very small "luxury" market, like the PS3.

      If companies one day decided to start selling their stuff, for a reasonable price, I know people will buy them. How do I know this? Because I have a comic book shop. My customers are mostly teenagers who want the latest Naruto episode, and can get it from free from the internet just hours after it's been released in Japan. We have a local Naruto edition (in paper I mean) and guess what? It sells out.

      My dad's friend works at a BMW dealership. They sold all BMWs last year. There is even a waiting list!

      I live in a city of 400,000 and I know there are at least 10 dvd rental stores, and even 1 bluray-only rental store. So much for poor people living in trees.

      You know what the problem with piracy really is? People selling pirated movies in the street. That's the real problem, but movie studios can't do anything about them, because our government won't. And, you see, people selling pirated movies in the street or not, there are dvd rental stores doing just fine.

    23. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Well that's okay, I don't listen to the shit they have on the radio.

      "Radio"? They play music on the radio up there?

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    24. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US is on Canada's list of countries harboring war criminals (Bush).

      That's a bit harsh. Anyway, everybody knows Bush wouldn't have been found competent to stand trial.

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    25. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want to dump the dollars... you want to go into a massive debt of American Dollars. That way you get something and the repay value is almost nill

      The clock is ticking!

    26. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it's largely because they want to make an example of Canada to convince them to pass the Canadian version of the DMCA.

      That's only part of it. Personally, I think a lot of the reason my homeland, the USA has a chip on its shoulder about Canada is because you've had the bad manners to have universal health care. I mean, what makes you so special that you think you shouldn't go bankrupt if you get sick like God intended? The least you could do is have old people dying in the streets because everyone knows universal health care is a horrible nightmare. You're making us look bad.

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    27. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Soon America (Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots and the Abominations of the Earth) will get her just rewards. America will be destroyed in 1 hour for her transgressions.

      Save your energy. Ronald Reagan did the job for you back in the '80s.

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    28. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by russotto · · Score: 1

      Because we don't authorize the 16 year old's working at movie theatre's to shoot people videotaping the movies.

      It's the 16 year olds working at the movie theaters who are copying the damn things in the first place. At least when they don't get them directly from a studio employee.

    29. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Harper government does not want to touch the Canadian version of the DMCA, or in half a heartbeat, the Liberals and NDP (and BQ) would suddenly win the next federal election. Oh, and the bill would not get through the house. And the PC know it. And if they tried, then they would lose the vote, the government would fall, and they would lose the next election just for trying. As for what this lobby group and what they think: How about I put them on my double-secret priority watch list. So there! Watching you ....right now!

    30. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Entropius · · Score: 2

      In the US legal system, and presumably in the Canadian one too, a person judged not guilty by reason of mental defect is usually confined during the course of treatment.

      If you're nuts and kill someone, you don't go to prison, but you aren't leaving the place with the friendly folks in white coats with the Haldol, either.

    31. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is totally true, there is a lot of people willing to pay for original stuff in Argentina. And this is not new, it's been always like that, with ups and downs, but not new.

      Paul McCartney did two full Stadiums (90000 people) and he didn't do it for peanuts.

      But then companies try to sell stuff at nonsense prices (like X times US price where X > 2) and they whine peolpe don't buy.

      They just want to play by their rules, they want to keep selling cds at the same price for thousands of years.

    32. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The stated reason is that canada is not allowing BSA etc to do searches without court orders.

    33. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meaning in actuality everybody is on the list.

    34. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Ha, this is the most lame "watch list" ever. They should just merge the terrorist watch list with the piracy watch list with the rational: Piracy is terrorism. It terrorizes the music and movie industry. Every downloader is like a suicide bomber killing the music/movie industry profits.

    35. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by pat+sajak · · Score: 1

      Because the people who back he IIPA are the same people behind the networks who stream everything for free to people within the US (via HULU etc), but decided it's not worth their time to try and secure advertisers in other countries, and put them all on a IP ban list. It shouldn't be a big surprise that when there are no legitimate avenues to obtain things, people would resort to piracy. But I doubt they actually care, because it gives them fodder to argue for tighter restrictions..

    36. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 1

      Actually, a more appropriate response is:

      "America can pucker their lips on my great big, hairy, Canadian, baboon ass, as I present to them a nice, swollen, prolapsed, goatse rectum stretch."

      Fuck those bullying creeps.

    37. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      ... Every downloader is like a suicide bomber killing the music/movie industry profits.

      She was a rich girl, she don't try to hide it

      Diamonds on the soles of her shoes

      He was a poor boy, empty as a pocket

      Empty as a pocket with nothing to lose

      Thank you, Paul, and Ladysmith Black Mombasa. I can no longer hear of any proposed DMCA legislation without imagining pretty lobbyists with with absurdly expensive footwear in the Washington halls of power.

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    38. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Znork · · Score: 1

      Anyone with an ounce of pride should strive to be on the list, but some countries have caved because they think that USTR blustering actually means something.

    39. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by erroneus · · Score: 2

      Imagine that? Canada being "on notice" because they have a sense of due process? In the US, the collapse of due process is a growing tragedy. "The War on Drugs" resulted in the seizure of cash and assets without due process written into law. The "War on Terror" resulted in "The Patriot Act" which destroyed due process and openness in ways previously spoke of only in nightmares and fairy tails about "evil communist nations and dictatorships." "The War on Piracy" has so far destroyed due process with the DMCA and continues to push for more.

      To enable a private entity to act as police or law enforcement is simply inappropriate.

    40. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Given the reports of US consumerism on the decline, other nations should be less concerned about the trade relationship with the U.S. Perhaps we still out-consume more than any other nation per capita, but it is truly a house of cards as the vast majority of this is done through debt financing and the rest at the expense of having a savings account.

    41. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

      Spain is an interesting case because we can read about what goes on in the backroom thanks to the WIkileaks cables. We see how the US embassy to Spain ran around at the bidding IIPA subverting the democratic process (things like stifling public debate and "advising" elected officials not to discuss the new laws with their constituents) all the way to ram through more stringent copyright measures than even the US has. http://iberosphere.com/2010/12/spains-anti-p2p-%E2%80%9Csinde-law%E2%80%9D-her-masters-voice/1840

    42. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a Spaniard, I DO understand why Spain is in that list. Arrrrrr!

    43. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by mijelh · · Score: 1

      File sharing is legal in Spain, that's why.

    44. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by aqui · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it hasn't already been mentioned an interesting source of discussion on the Canadian Copyright can be found on Michael Geist's blog:

      http://www.michaelgeist.ca/

      He's a copyright legal expert and professor that has been vocal (he also writes a column for the Toronto Star) about copyright and striking a balance between users and content producers.

      I go to his site from time to time to get a laugh about how the record companies etc... are trying to misinform Canadians...

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    45. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A psychiatrist called another.

      - I have an interesting patient. I don't know what to do?
      - What's his disorder?
      - Inferiority complex.
      - But that's so common.
      - Yes, but he's Argentinian!

      The fact your government don't do anything and actually provokes without reason media conglomerates like the Clari Group makes people who deal with media weary of dealing with Argentina. Putting the country in watch lists is not only predictable but actually expected.

      Brazil got out of the list due to working hard to jail people selling pirated music, video and software. Well, due to new fangled Brazilian lobbying group in Washington too, but ignore this.

    46. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can countries sue for slander?

    47. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has less to do with our laws or ethics and more to do with standard practices. Canada shares release dates with the United States 99% of the time. That gives Canadian pirates the advantage of getting their bootleg copies uploaded before people in most other countries.

    48. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      there is no compelling reason I can think of that the privileges associated with copyrighted works, such as the ability to legally make a private use copy for your own personal use, should actually apply.

      Who cares, man? Data is just an idea. Anyone who wants ideas to be owned, longs for tyranny. Fuck that shit.

    49. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by ManiaX+Killerian · · Score: 1

      Three minutes with a DNS resolver, traceroute and whois will show that hotfile is actually in the US.

    50. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by cormandy · · Score: 2

      What is this "CD" that you talk about???

    51. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by arisvega · · Score: 1

      I am not absolutely sure of this, but I understand that in Spain there is a special tax for blank storage media under the rationale that the most common statistical reason of purchase is to use it to copy copyrighted multimedia over- I think this stems from the cassette tape era.

      Again, I am not exactly sure of this but, if true, handling it on an international level is a very interesting approach indeed. The idea here is that even though assuming that citizens are a priori guilty of infringement they can go on and enjoy, while on the same time funds gathered from said tax are given to the copyright holders in a "here is some money, now shut your blowhole already" fashion.

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    52. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Knightman · · Score: 1

      "MTV"? They play music on MTV up there?

      There, fixed it!

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    53. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by cHALiTO · · Score: 2

      The problems explained by hjf exist since WAY before this government and WAY before any government had any problems with Clarin. I'd like to be able to buy original games for my xbox (imported of course, as it's not officially sold by MS here) but they cost a ton of money, because we need to buy them imported too.
      So, the thing goes like this:

      - We don't buy original games because they're prohibitively expensive, because they have to be imported, not being any publishers pressing dvds here.
      - Publishers won't press dvds here because they think we're not an interesting market for them, and because there's rampant piracy.

      So it's the chicken and egg thing. And honestly, I don't see why it should be for us to start buying originals at huge prices, just to show these companies that they can sell stuff here, so we, maybe, someday, can get reasonably priced originals and services. After all, it's them whining and the ones who supposedly want to make money by selling stuff here, right?
      So they can do the first step. In the meantime, i'll just keep my copies, thankyouverymuch.
      The only thing they'll achieve if they only focus on erradicating piracy without addressing the above issues is getting guys like me to simply not buy any games anymore.

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    54. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't leave out Dick Cheney, who admitted to war crimes on national television.

      Of course, just because he did something the US tried, convicted, and executed Japanese officials for doing isn't cause for accusing him of war crimes, right?

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    55. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I heard "Hey, Rosetta" on Jian Gomeshi's show on CBC Radio One the other day. They're awesome!

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    56. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by hjf · · Score: 1

      Brazil got out of the list due to working hard to jail people selling pirated music, video and software. Well, due to new fangled Brazilian lobbying group in Washington too, but ignore this.

      Yes. People in favelas all buy original.

      What the fuck are you talking about? Clown.

    57. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by hjf · · Score: 1

      As an example: back in the 90s a music CD was about $18-$24 (when the peso-usd parity was 1-1), while in the US the price was $10-$12. I used to buy from cduniverse.com, cdnow.com and amazon, it was cheaper to me to pay for the cd AND shipping ($6) than it was to go and get it at a local store.

      Why?

      Really, why?. Music and books aren't taxed, why should it cost more here?

      More examples: Celine Dion's album... umm the one with the "titanic" song, had CD-TEXT info for the US version. It didn't have CD-TEXT in the local version. What the hell?
      Mexican singer "Fey". The american-mexican version came with a nice booklet, with alternating paper and... semi-transparent? pages. The CD had a nice print. The local version was a folded sheet with the album cover on the front and tracklist on the back. The CD was a generic "COLUMBIA RECORDS" CD, like when CDs didn't have their own art (early 90s, CD releases from vinyl).

    58. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It appears you are probably right and TFA is wrong (the traceroute doesn't reach its destination for me, but whois shows that IP block to be registered to an address in Fort Lauderdale and the last router to respond to the traceroute is in Dallas, coming from Los Angeles and Osaka before that, so the traceroute appears to be heading in that direction). However TFA also says isohunt.com is hosted in Canada, which does appear to be true (domain and IP addresses registered in Vancouver).

    59. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Migity · · Score: 1

      It's because Hotfile.com and ISOhunt.com are both hosted in Canada

    60. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Of course, just because he did something the US tried, convicted, and executed Japanese officials for doing isn't cause for accusing him of war crimes, right?

      Though Dick Cheney is a major asshole, you cannot hold him responsible for nor consider him a hypocrite for what the US did before he was a politician.

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    61. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Why does every foreigner and their dog come around and criticize something they know nothing about? The US doesn't care about money, the politicians do and they have postured themselves in a position such that the average joe has no ability to do anything about it. Its the same shit all over the world, even in your beloved Canada. Why do you think that wealthy rule the lower classes throughout all of history no matter what form of government exists?

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    62. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Basically, the only thing the US has left to fuel its economy is intellectual property. By that I mean music, movies, research, designs. Manufacturing per capita has gone overseas, and the Chinese are willing to steal any new ideas or designs we produce and save them for a later inevitable date when we no longer get along with them. I firmly believe this is why the US is so adamant about IP law overseas, since if we don't have our IP we will fall as a nation.

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    63. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course Brazil still does have rampant problems with piracy.

      But it DOES do something to work those issues instead of just whining around like the Southern neighbors do.

    64. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Mikkeles · · Score: 2

      Note that the Canadian DMCA equivalent was first proposed by the Liberals (Bill C-60); it only failed due to the fall of the (minority) government.

      So, assuming that politicians are people of principle (ha ha), the Grits would support the Tories in this.

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    65. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by chrish · · Score: 1

      Our truth in advertising laws are more stringent.

      At least, that's why the commercial radio stations mostly just play commercials, right?

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    66. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Be glad you don't have all the US crap that we have here in the US. You miss out on something when you go this route. Rampant consumerism is a bad, bad thing and ultimately the US will fail miserably and a lot of people will suffer. I may sound paranoid, but its not really that. We have a class of super rich with a sliver of middle class between them and the poor. A lot of us can't get jobs that keep us out of debt. For example, to get a good job you need a college degree, but the college degree carries with it 40,000 - 100,000 in debt. You only get paid about 45,000-50,000 with a degree so you already are at a disadvantage. We are bleeding our wealth out to China, and China won't play fair since they steal all of our ideas and sell it back to us as well as keep their currency artificially low for competitive advantage. Basically, be glad we think you live in trees (which actually isnt true).

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    67. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this

    68. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I was mostly posting to irritate an Argentinian it does have a lot do with government and laws.

      Without sane IP laws enforcement companies are not going to invest in selling software in South America. Government around here usually talk the talk, but rarely walks the walk.

      My experience is with the Brazilian case. Brazil suffered a lot of pressure due to rampant piracy with one special pressure from a Florida senator (If I recall correctly) to over tax Brazilian agricultural exports if the government continued to do nothing.

      Since the agricultural lobby is strong they setup lobby offices in Washington and Brasilia to address the issue. The local branch did a lot of work to get the Justice Ministry to work on the issue. The federal police started to do raids on "camelodromos" the place where this kind of thing normally is sold (more about pirate products like fake Nike shoes than software, but some work on software too). The local software makers association worked a lot to achieve this too.

      Since this started a lot of more products that used not to be offered in Brazil - like video games consoles - started to be offered.

      Also, remember that the imported software or video game titles is not expensive because the DVD are not pressed locally. They are expensive because import taxes are insane. The Mercosur taxes makes importing difficult and screws over everybody. Argentinian taxes are also crazy, overall.

      My company thought about setting a development shop in Buenos Aires, due to the scarcity of qualified Brazilian here in Rio. Despite the cheaper cost of living and lower salaries (Buenos Aires) the taxes were enough to make somewhat cheaper just keep working in Rio, start recruitment campaigns Mercosur-wide and sucking up relocation costs.

      The local government screwing local media companies - specially a big one like Clarin Group - does also not help.

    69. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares, man? Data is just an idea. Anyone who wants ideas to be owned, longs for tyranny. Fuck that shit.

      So you won't complain if a coworker takes credit for your work and gets the big promotions and pay raises while you get laid off and go to the poor house?

    70. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since if we don't have our IP we will fall as a nation.

      And nothing of value was lost...

    71. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      The situation is fairly simple, from my point of view: the music and film execs, mostly Americans, know a fair bit about DRM and digital media. If the execs don't themselves, they have experts who do and tell them what to do. On the other hand, the Canadian government is entirely clueless about all of this. It isn't the first time you see ministers trying to make laws and look absurdly ignorant of the subject matter. Thus, you get one side manipulating the other by saying half-truths and hiding facts.

      I don't think the ministers are all clueless, but a good proportion is. The rest are sold to the money.

    72. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Canada has the same law. Its why we're both on the list. The RIAA and Co. agreed to it years ago but now they think they can force through a better deal for them.

    73. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by snowraver1 · · Score: 2

      Oh I'd complain for sure.... But the other guy isn't going to jail over it.

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    74. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you live in Argentina. You have good reason to complain. Argentina isn't poor or backwards (Argentina has a good reputation in the US, if a bit narrow. Please send more steaks and wine!). A good solid market for big companies.

      I've seen this from the other side so might be able to shed some light. Problem is companies do want to sell in Argentina, but don't know how. Local laws, customs, economics, etc. And companies are composed of individuals trying to keep their job. Someone in the company has to champion opening a new market and stake their reputation on some powerpoint explaining the opportunity, then staking their career on being right. Safer to just be one of the sheep and not risk your career. So there is a strong tendency for companies to stick with the markets they do understand.

      The next best option is to find a local partner who will take care of all local sales details for you. They take all the risk, the company goons have nothing to lose. But it just about doubles the cost of products.

      It sucks, but that's the root of the problem.

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    75. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I don't think America likes our privacy laws as well. Advertisers can't harvest quite as much information and certain industries like the medical can't outsource to the States.

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    76. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Locally the radio keeps advertising how the Liberals are evil because they want Bill 63 (?) to send money to the American record labels and the Conservatives want to send the money to the Canadian record labels.
      As far as I know there are no Canadian owned record labels so either way the money leaves Canada.

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    77. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Due process is getting screwed up here too. Locally they're using building inspectors to look for grow-ops. Use too much hydro and they show up, inspect your building and charge $5000 for the hours work.
      One of the Conservatives main election platforms is to build more jails and make more things illegal, damn the cost even though their other platform is that they're more fiscally responsible. People believe it too even though they took the budget surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit ever.

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    78. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes you can. The man took a high office in a nation of laws. It is his responsibility, as an office holder, to understand the laws. Sure, there are cases where the law gets a bit blurry - but creating a new classification of people to sidestep laws is most assuredly wrong. You might look to the Nuremburg trials for more info.

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    79. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      It's funny the relationship we have between Argentinians and Brazilians :) we make fun of each other but generally in a brother/friend spirit.. I love Brazil and Brazilians... except when we're talking about football, then it's war :D

      High import taxes driving up import costs would also be solved if discs were pressed locally, and it would also generate a few local jobs. I'm not against import taxes in general, and I really REALLY dislike Clarin Group. It may have its cons, but they have way too much power and them being fought is in general a good thing. But I guess at that point we'll be entering a personal/moral/ideological debate which probably wouldn't be of any use. Sticking to the technical/legal discussion, I'd rather have IP laws somewhat like those of Canada, than those of the US.

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    80. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Well, in a way that *is* dumping your dollars. What you're /getting/ is some other currency.

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    81. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      If you don't think there's anything wrong in taking credit where it's not due, you shouldn't complain when it happens to you.

      Talk about jail is irrelevant (or should be) as copyright is a civil, not a criminal matter. I know the RIAA et al have gone mad in the US, but it's not like that in the rest of the world.

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    82. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 1

      Come on, don't bring the seal hunt into this.

    83. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Micheal Geist is an extremely lucid writer.

      For those interested in stopping this kind of BS by being proactive instead of reactive, please consider that Canada has a relatively newly formed political party: The Pirate Party of Canada

      www.pirateparty.ca

    84. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Our truth in advertising laws are more stringent.

      I heard that Canada has laws against lying by the news media. Is that true? Is it really against the law for a news organization to tell a lie?

      Is that why there is no Fox News in Canada? I'm not joking. I heard that the turd that your prime minister Harper wanted to repeal the law against news organizations lying. Did he give a reason or could he not speak and gargle Rupert Murdoch's semen at the same time?

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    85. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can consider him in violation of a law, or believe he is failing to uphold them, but you can't consider him a hypocrite for the reason of the prior post. He had nothing to do with the trials of Japanese officers. He is behaving in a manner consistent with being the fascist money grubbing twat he is.

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    86. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I haven't done one bit of research but ISTR some RIAA and MPAA flunkies being grafted onto the current administration recently, or maybe I just remember some proposal for same. Did that come to pass? In any case, putting Canada on the list would make absolute sense in the context of the US government's habit of doing anything the copyright cartel desires. That makes a lot of sense, of course, because US firms own practically all of the world's most popular media icons.

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    87. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Sure you can.

      The trials after WWII set the standard for what is and what is not a war crime. Dick Cheney proudly stated that he did things that fell into those standards. Ergo, Dick Cheney, by his own admission, committed war crimes.

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    88. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      However, this is a non-sequitor.

      Piracy groups do not claim ownership nor authorship of the original product. Take for instance, "Adobe Photoshop"-- The pirate group's verbiage for that product is-- GASP-- "Adobe Photoshop". Name attribution is clearly given to Adobe Inc. EG, Razor 1911 (or any other 0-day group) does not claim that the work of Adobe is theirs. What they take credit for is bringing it to you, and hacking it for you.

      As such, the "taking undue credit" argument does not follow with the situation it is raised against. That would be more in line with EG, Microsoft misappropriating GPL code from another, lesser known product-- incorporating it into a microsoft product, declaring a microsoft copyright, and failing to attribute the original author in any way.

      That is not what consumer-pirates do.

      One could argue that the attribution that the "Taking credit" argument is trying to debate is the flow of currency toward the author, but that STILL does not follow, and only results in a tortured argument. The flow of currency to the creator is tangential to accreditation, or claims of ownership. The best you could do is to say that piracy steals the power to revoke the use of the product from other people. (The old, "I own it, and if you don't pay me X, then you just can't have any!") THis is because digital piracy creates perfect copies. (The de-facto retort of "Oh yeah, Well my magic replicator will make my own, so [raspberry]!"

      Thus the real argument is not over attribution, (Who made what, who deserves credit for creating what initially, etc...) but rather over control. A classic example would be "fettuccine Alfredo." Anyone with the recipe can create "Alfred's" famous fettuccine, and Alfred can't do a damn thing about it. Alfred still gets attribution (The name of the dish literally means "Fettuccine the way Alfredo makes it."), but he does not have control. He cannot remove his dish from everyone's table in the world, and as such cannot use that as a means for extortion, which is exactly what copyright is about.

      Copyright was originally meant to secure a revenue stream for creators of new forms of art, so that those people would have money to continue creating art-- with the goal of enriching the commons. Current copyright is about how to abuse this monopoly to extort money from the masses, while doing nothing, for as long as is inhumanly possible, by PREVENTING the transition of works into the commons at all costs.

      The case with Alfred's noodles is that his recipe has been incorporated into the commons. It cannot be removed/destroyed, because everyone has the recipe. Likewise, pirated software is software that has moved (De-facto, if illegally) out of private control and into the control of the commons. That is exactly what software piracy *IS*. It has nothing to do with attribution.

    89. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually like Argentina more than Brazil. Unfortunately Real is in a better shape than Peso and software development jobs here pay (much) better.

      My point is not to have laws similar to Canada or the US but just proper enforcing of whatever rules they are. That's more or less my same point about Clarin - most people I know say bad things about it. Most people say bad things about most big media conglomerates, actually.

      An important factor when choosing which countries you should do business is how stable the judicial system is. When a government is able to bypass rules and expectations to mess with a specific business due to political factors or when governments do not enforce business rules (or enforce only when convenient) it gets difficult for business to forecast and analyze. Without this ability many will just simple not invest instead of taking a greater risk. Combine this with high business taxes, high labor taxes and you will see why we all are screwed.

      Pressing disks locally will generate almost no jobs. See the cost of shipping CDs, it's almost negligible. Importing is the way forward - video game CDs sold legally on the Brazilian market are imported instead of locally pressed, for example. Import taxes and business taxes as a whole in South America makes companies lose interest most of the time. If you can make a 5% profit over investment due to high taxes in the Argentine market or you can take your money elsewhere with a higher profit margin, what to do you chose to do? That's why companies will usually stay outside of the South American market, despite it's size.

      Nice to talk to you. By the way, Pele was way better than Maradona. I just had to say this.

    90. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by chrish · · Score: 1

      It's true, our news media is not allowed to lie and an attempt to allow that was recently overturned.

      No Fox News North for us!

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    91. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      Actually the US has a concept of 'temporary insanity' which lets you off of the crime but does not require you to submit to a psychiatric institution. Canada does not.

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    92. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      Hah, I'll just ignore that last phrase, we'd consume /.'s storage just arguing about it :)

      As for the government fighting clarin, so far they haven't done anything outside the law. In fact, they've gone to the justice to litigate, and some cases they won, some they lost (and many are still unresolved). But it's true that they are more expeditive treating that issue than with any other media. I'd say it's to be expected anyway, seeing the level of crap they make up and how they attack the government in turn.

      As for printing the cds locally I meant to get a relatively low price. Even if there were no taxes, U$D50 = AR$200. if you compare to the average salary in argentina vs the average in the US, it's as if in US they were paying 200 dollars for a game. I bet there would be a lot more piracy (or a LOT less game sales).

      Agreed about the judicial system stability. Just be careful when and how you measure that. It's no secret that in Argentina (and many other latin american countries, to be honest) we have a lot of room to improve in that regard, but also this has been taken as one of the things the political opposition chose to fight the government with on the media, along with insecurity and inflation. While these issues do exist and must be addressed, always be aware that the opposition will most likely exaggerate them enormously.

      I'm visiting your country in a couple of weeks, my sister lives in SP, so I'm going to see her and then off to Angra with my uncle, my brother and a couple of friends. Can't wait :D

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    93. Re:speaking as a Canadian to the USTR by Chronus · · Score: 1

      Man, I should have learned Canadian.
      This might be witty in his native tongue.

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  5. What do you guys have against Thailand? by mooingyak · · Score: 2

    The summary lists 12 of the 13, for those who don't want to RTFA, #13 is Thailand.

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    1. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess the editors figured 'Eh, Phuket.'

    2. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I herd women in Thailand are really men who hide the penis !

      Thats fukked up !

    3. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks

    4. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      no problem.

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    5. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by mrphantuan · · Score: 0

      Yes, I think so........ _______________________ du hoc tu van du hoc hoc bong du hoc du hoc singapore

    6. Re:What do you guys have against Thailand? by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      Do you use some sort of Collie dog for that, or are you on horse back waving your cowboy hat around to move the ladyboys in the right direction?

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  6. Go Argentina! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuff said.

  7. Where's the Homeland Cred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the BSA, the "dollar losses" right here in the U.S. are highest overall. Why didn't we make it on to our own list?

    1. Re:Where's the Homeland Cred by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Because they already have bought all the senators and congressmen they need to push through the legislation they want.

      And there are no funds that the state department can withhold from transferring back to the US, to put more pressure on the US to get the FBI to raid more homes to aid in enforcing the civil laws against downloading files.

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    2. Re:Where's the Homeland Cred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn. We can't even be number one on our own lists. I should start to download and upload illegitimately gotten copyrighted goods to help bump our national pride.

  8. HAHAHAHAHAHA by Hojima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember watching a show on knock-off goods sold in China. Some spokesman for Gucci was talking about how they recently made a bust on counterfeit goods and how they potentially earned the company hundreds of thousands of dollars. I couldn't help but laugh at how out-of-touch this dumb-ass was. Does he think honestly think that the country's peasants (who make a big deal out of eating steak with their rice) would save up to buy an authentic Gucci handbag? Similarly, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think that you can stop them from saving money on software. Because that's how they look at it. There are two alternatives in their eyes: free pirated software, and free non-pirated software. No one is going to give two shits about Microsoft's poor employees.

    1. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Does he think honestly think that the country's peasants (who make a big deal out of eating steak with their rice) would save up to buy an authentic Gucci handbag?

      China doesn't just have peasants. It also has nouveau riche.

    2. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also about protecting the brand equity. If they allow knockoffs to proliferate it reduces the perceived scarcity which gives the brand value.

    3. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by mellon · · Score: 1

      Bwahahahahahah! As if. There are markets all over Beijing that have so many knock-off goods in them that I have to wonder how they expect to sell them all. Good-looking stuff, too. Trust me, Gucci has not made a dent in the supply with this one bust, and they know it. The point of publicizing the bust is disinformation of some kind. No trademark enforcement body would take this story seriously. Probably the point of the story was to embarrass the Chinese government in hopes of triggering a crackdown, but it'll never happen, because the Chinese people just don't take trademarks seriously. Very sensible of them, if you ask me.

      And yes, there are people in China who want to buy real authentic luxury goods. But they would have bought them anyway—there are plenty of stores in Beijing selling real Gucci goods, just down the street from the fakes. If you want real, you go to those stores, not to the knock-off stores.

    4. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of the people who could afford a real gucci bag would buy a real one because they wouldn't want to be caught with a fake. Claiming lost sales from knock-offs (of very high-end goods) is like claiming lost sales from piracy. The people who could actually afford and would buy a knock-off couldn't afford a real gucci and likely would never buy it, much like I think a good portion of pirates probably would not buy the item in question otherwise.

    5. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Anyway, what's the point buying a Gucci handbag, real or fake, in both cases you will pay too much for it and you end up to be an advertising zombie for Gucci as well. It's just a f... handbag.

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    6. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Warhawke · · Score: 1

      You bring up an interesting point. Counterfeiting goods is considered detrimental to legitimate companies because it floods the market with illegitimate goods that are of dubious quality; their cheaper price usually reflects the cheaper construction. Digital piracy, however, is for almost all instances the free exchange of the original software and not a knock-off. Thus the impact is purely financial, which is a spurious argument when considering a comparatively less affluent society. I don't really know what it means, but it's worth pointing out that there is a difference in piracy and counterfeiting.

    7. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by crossmr · · Score: 1

      It, like many luxury items, is a status symbol. That's the entire point. Those who can afford the status symbol simply wouldn't buy fakes.

      and yes,I can't wait for the follow up rant about status symbols, but tell me why aren't you wearing a burlap sack or a moo-moo?

    8. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't a gucci the thing between the balls and the anus?

    9. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who'd probably buy the real thing for the very reason it is more expensive.

      I've actually seen fakes that had better finishing than the originals - two friends were comparing their stuff (real vs fake) :).

    10. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where on earth would I get caught? Not that I care for the millions of watches and bags they try to give me on the streets.

      But there is lots of people here who buy the fake ones, even although (for many things) the quality clearly sucks. People who can afford it indeed buy the real thing buy it because it is better (IF it is, because that is not always true).

      Which is frankly, as it should be. But a lot of people (also here in China) sadly like to keep up appearances. But superficially keeping up is fine. I know a guy with "the North Fzce" [sic] gloves who did not even realize that they are fake.

    11. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the newly-rich people of China are fully aware of counterfeit products, so what do they do? Simple: They go and hop on a flight to Paris or Milan and buy their luxury stuff there. In the end, they can afford not just to say "I bought a Gucci bag" but "I bought a Gucci bag in Paris".

    12. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The point (and I use the word in the loosest possible sense of the word) is to prove that you can afford it. In theory it's also to prove that you have good taste, although the visible brand somewhat diminishes this, as it implies a bit that you need a big neon sign pointing you in the direction of style[1]. An imitation, even an imitation that is a higher quality, defeats this point, because it's indicating that you can't afford the real one. It's a sign saying 'I can afford to spend $1,000 on something that costs $20 to produce and not care'. Think of it like a peacock's feathers.

      Of course, if the fake is good enough that people will not be able to tell that it's a fake, then it may still work, and then it's a better buy.

      [1] The really expensive brands hide their labels and expect people to recognise them just from the styles.

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    13. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't a spokesman. It was Tom Ford who was lead designer at Gucci.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2FOrx41N0#t=5m01

    14. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Either way, its a waste of money since only an idiot would think that it makes you have higher status. Whatever, I guess some people became rich off of the rich super-idiots and poorer mega-idiots and became one of them themselves. Self perpetuating idiocy.

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    15. Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I've actually seen fakes that had better finishing than the originals - two friends were comparing their stuff (real vs fake) :).

      Thus subverting the very purpose of a trademark.

  9. In related news... by BoberFett · · Score: 1

    In related news, 13 countries have named the US when asked which country's IP laws they don't give a shit about.

    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really wish Australia was still on that list.

      "Free Trade" Agreement my arse.

    2. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Us Aussies need to try harder! Download! Download! Download!

      Though we probably can't compete because of our crappy broadband.

    3. Re:In related news... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Us Aussies need to try harder! Download! Download! Download!

      And use US proxies.

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    4. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as a follow, US Aircraft Carriers have suddenly decided to conduct "exercises" near each country.

      Except Canada.

      We'll just give them Detroit and call it even.

    5. Re:In related news... by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As a Canadian, I can tell you that our politicians from all major parties are on record as saying they don't give a flying fuck about the US Special 301 list, because it's run by Big Content. Not their exact words, of course, but you get the idea.

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    6. Re:In related news... by dice1111 · · Score: 1

      Exactly! And why should they give a hoot? To serve the interests of foreign cooperation’s who have no vested interest in their countries economy except to take money from it? The role of the government is to protect its people, and this should include being steamrolled by these large uncaring companies, this includes the US as well. It's a shame that liberties are traded so freely in the name of larger profits. Lobbyists be damned. Didn't the MPAA just state that it had its largest year, profit wise, in history in 2010?

    7. Re:In related news... by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      And just think how well the US economy would have done without those evil pirates! Why, if we could eliminate piracy our GDP would double if the **AA numbers are to be believed.

  10. What, no Italy? by Fallingwater · · Score: 1

    What, no Italy?
    I'm sincerely shocked.

    1. Re:What, no Italy? by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      That's because of Berlusconi. I'm quite sure that American politicians love him.

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  11. Cyberbullying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chamberpot of Corruption is at it again, talking clueless politicians like Biden to bully other countries into fucking up their laws -- against the will and the interests of those countries' people.

  12. Basically by pizzach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US is pointing out countries that are most likely consume English content and don't 100% accept US international copyright laws. Mind how I prefixed international copyright laws with US because they are US laws forced on other countries.

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    1. Re:Basically by starfishsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well said!

      For a country founded on the concept of "no taxation without representation", the US shows remarkably consistent disregard for the laws of other nations, even when it comes to the basic matter of sovereign self governance. What certain US lobbyists in their wilful ignorance call "copyright piracy" may well be what our laws have been careful to designate as "fair use".

      For example, in Canada we pay a levy on blank media. The recording industry insisted on this as compensation for the possibility that such media might be used, not to make original art or to perform filesystem backups, but to record copyrighted material. The government agreed, and consumers paid. Offer, acceptance, exchange of consideration. In this country, that's called a contract. And it's binding. Government and consumers have kept their part of the bargain. Now the industry can keep its.

      And if the US counterpart of that industry isn't happy about this state of affairs, well boo fucking hoo. Its shortsightedness and greed is not our problem to solve.

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    2. Re:Basically by binaryseraph · · Score: 1

      That is one thing that drives me absolutely crazy about this country- The assumption it has that US law is WORLD law. Frankly it drives me bonkers (especially in much higher profile situations a la wikileaks)

    3. Re:Basically by tixxit · · Score: 1

      In all fairness we only pay on blank CDs and tapes. There was a tax, briefly, on MP3 players but that was removed. The problem is that the media is now much less important than the format. For example, people buy CD players to play music CDs, but they don't buy SD card players to MP3s, they buy MP3 players. These MP3 players can use many types of media, from wires to SD cards to hard disks to radiation. Levying a tax on the storage medium no longer makes sense as it doesn't determine the playability of the data.

      In today's world DRM has taken the place of traditional media (ie. CDs). It has also made it very easy to identify what entities "enable" the copying of copyrighted material: programs (and people) that bypass these DRMs protection schemes. A straight application of the previous blank media levy may be to impose a levy on all software that bypasses DRM. Of course, the U.S. approach was to just make it illegal, but this makes no sense. How is it that I can be entitled to own backups of copyrighted material I own, but I cannot be allowed to actually create the backup?

    4. Re:Basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats one astute explanation of the whole Intellectual Property dispute in a nutshell.

      In India, the cost of Windows 7 (say, professional home) is most of the times, higher than the cost of the physical hardware. Unless Micro$oft would price their OS pegged to a Nation's GDP or Purchasing Power Parity or some other index, you just can't stop piracy. not especially if you are so dominant in the market that everybody defaults to installing ur software even if other options are freely available.

  13. In other words. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copyright enforcement (to the level that US corporations are happy with) is costly in many ways. Intelligence is needed for detecting infringements, police is needed for raiding suspects and forensics, and finally judges and prosecutors are needed for each infringement case.

    In developing world nations like mine (Argentina), stronger copyright laws are a total waste of taxpayers money that will only benefits foreign media producers.
    Added to that, we are already short on policemen and judges (which are already underpaid) , so even if laws such as these were to pass, there would simply not be enough human resources to enforce them. Plain and simple.

    The reason why watch lists such as these exist is because media lobbysts realize that countries like mine are no way as poor as, say, Nigeria, so they want a share of the pie, and press the US government to impose trade sanctions o us, while they couldn't care less what our economic and social situation is.

  14. We find these COUNTRIES guilty!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok guys, then here's another one to add to the list: USA

  15. In other words. by goruka · · Score: 1

    Copyright enforcement (to the level that US corporations are happy with) is costly in many ways. Intelligence is needed for detecting infringements, police is needed for raiding suspects and forensics, and finally judges and prosecutors are needed for each infringement case.
    In developing world nations like mine (Argentina), stronger copyright laws are a total waste of taxpayers money that will only benefits foreign media producers.
    Added to that, we are already short on policemen and judges (which are already underpaid) , so even if laws such as these were to pass, there would simply not be enough human resources to enforce them. Plain and simple.
    The reason why watch lists such as these exist is because media lobbysts realize that countries like mine are no way as poor as, say, Nigeria, so they want a share of the pie, and press the US government to impose trade sanctions o us, while they couldn't care less what our economic and social situation is.

  16. And... by kyrio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a single fuck was given.

    1. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this a troll???

    2. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? As an argentinian, I'm proud to be in the top 13 list!

    3. Re:And... by matthew_t_west · · Score: 1

      Nice! If I had mod points, you'd get em.

      M

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  17. Always knew you couldn't be trusted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was something suspicious about so many of you being so close to the border, and how you always poo-pah'ed any defenses.

    Yeah, now we're on to you.

    Here's our secret plan. We're going to let you have Michigan and Wisconsin. If you wait 4 years you can have Chicago too. You may also take Minnesota but no avoiding district 6.

  18. my story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, 4 years ago when I went to buy a laptop at a licensed laptop vendor in my country, it came pre-installed with Debian. At that time, I had no idea about Linux.

    So, I told him to install Windows XP Professional for me (for free of course). He was like, "Sure, I will do it and deliver your laptop tomorrow". Sure enough, when he delivered it was as good Windows pre-install.

    1. Re:my story by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Which country would that be? I still haven't found a store that would install Linux on a computer.

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  19. Where does the US fall... by Macdude · · Score: 2

    ... on their own list?

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    1. Re:Where does the US fall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya. I've always wondered if the US gives 2 shits about other's IP, e.g. anime, J/K-pop, korean horror, bollywood, european indie music, indie flicks like OM BAK before they were officially released, etc. Seems hypocritical if you ask me.

    2. Re:Where does the US fall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems hypocritical if you ask me.

      A country that sponsors dictatorships while saying it is pro-democracy is hypocritical? Say it ain't so.

      When the US had little to no IP it saw absolutely no problem in copying Europe. I would bet China will be the same, while it's better for them to copy, they will, when that situation changes so will their laws.

    3. Re:Where does the US fall... by ladoga · · Score: 1

      Ya. I've always wondered if the US gives 2 shits about other's IP, e.g. anime, J/K-pop, korean horror, bollywood, european indie music, indie flicks like OM BAK before they were officially released, etc. Seems hypocritical if you ask me.

      Ong-bak (2003) doesn't seem so indie to me. Their production company Sahamongkolfilm Co. has produced and distributed more than 30 films between late 90s and the present.

      But yes, I think the South America and Asia makes most of the better films nowadays. Last two films I saw were Tropa de Elite 2 (Brazil) and El Aura (Argentina), both were pretty good.

      It's been quite some time when I last watched anything from Hollywood. Frankly, I don't care what happens to big studios there. Maybe if they went bust we would start to see some quality American films again. That would be a good thing, eh? What they produce now is just mass consumer goods targeted to dumb people with short attention spans. It's the McDonalds of the movie industry. (emphasis on the word industry)

    4. Re:Where does the US fall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer printout had it at [0], but whoever wrote the report thought that's a title row.

  20. thousands of Americians on the list by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    as they think it is crap to worry about the profits of corporations.

  21. National Pride by mdielmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm personally proud to see that my country is on the copyright watch list of a country with one of the most broken copyright laws in the world.

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    1. Re:National Pride by surveyork · · Score: 1

      +1 Unfortunately, the times are-a-changing here.

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  22. But as a Ccanadian by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I pay a levy to the artists for the privilege of music piracy. Whether the artists get the money after wards, not my problem. Thank you, come again.

      If you want to help stop piracy only download CC licensed music from site like http://www.ektoplazm.com/

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    1. Re:But as a Ccanadian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thx for linky

      http://www.subflow.net/Radio/minimal/?C=M;O=D

      what else you got?

    2. Re:But as a Ccanadian by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Exactly, the CRIA managed to get levies put on blank CDs and DVDs precisely for this purpose. In Canada, people actually get pissed when they try to pass these dumb DCMA laws, and the politicians have a hard time pushing them through. Why risk getting their asses kicked in the polls for these dumb laws. It's democracy at work.

    3. Re:But as a Ccanadian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.ektoplazm.com/

      I thank you for adding another site to my bookmarks.

      And just think. If the US didn't bitch and complain and cause a big stink all over the news like this, I probably wouldn't have this site to check out right now.

  23. CANADA ?? WHAT THE FUCK ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many people can there possibly be stealing shit way up there?

  24. Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's just hard to trust countries that sell milk in a plastic bag.

    1. Re:Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      well you see the thing is it soaks right through a paper bag

    2. Re:Trust by hldn · · Score: 1

      you're using the wrong paper. i get all my milk in cardboard (paper) boxes.

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    3. Re:Trust by smurfsurf · · Score: 2

      You mean that cardbord that has a plastic bag laminated inside?

    4. Re:Trust by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Mod parent Informative.

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  25. How's the US doing? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2

    I downloaded enough stuff to put us over the top. Do I need to step it up?

  26. Pirate countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should put a trade ban on those countries, and not allow any imports from them. Just think if we didn't buy from China, India, The phillipines, , Indonesia, maybe we could have more jobs here in the USA

    1. Re:Pirate countries by techno_dan · · Score: 2

      Did you ever think that in the US, many are overpaid? What happened with bettering oneself, instead of relying on unions to prop up salaries? At the rate things are going, the US is going to price themselves out of all exports. Who ever heard of paying bus drivers more than developers? Well in the US, this is normal. Here is another thought, did you ever wonder what would happen if China called in its loans to the US? And more jobs in the US? Har, that's a joke. who could afford anything made in the US? Not even your average citizen could afford that. Educate yourself.

    2. Re:Pirate countries by artson · · Score: 1

      "They should put a trade ban on those countries,"

      Sounds good to me. Could you kindly stop importing oil, electrical power and comedians from Canada?

      Oh and kindly stop waving your wee-wee over my cornflakes bowl.

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    3. Re:Pirate countries by jonwil · · Score: 1

      That will never happen as long as the president of Wal-Mart has more REAL power than the president in Washington.

    4. Re:Pirate countries by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Well, nothing would happen. Nobody is out there to enforce the U.S. paying back those loans. World banking organizations might get pissed off, and some of China's allies might as well, but nobody is going to do anything about it. Hell, if the U.S. wanted to throw it's diplomatic relations to the wind (or if China and the U.S. goes to war), it'd be really easy for the U.S. to say, "we aren't paying those loans back. suck it."

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    5. Re:Pirate countries by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Well, nothing would happen. Nobody is out there to enforce the U.S. paying back those loans. World banking organizations might get pissed off, and some of China's allies might as well, but nobody is going to do anything about it. Hell, if the U.S. wanted to throw it's diplomatic relations to the wind (or if China and the U.S. goes to war), it'd be really easy for the U.S. to say, "we aren't paying those loans back. suck it."

      You really think that foreign debts are like your mortgage? Downgrade the credit rating for US and nobody will offer money to US: good luck with the trade and budget deficit US is running, hope you can be self-sustaining in a short time otherwise you'll put the trucks on hold and transport whatever food you can by horse carriage.

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    6. Re:Pirate countries by techno_dan · · Score: 1

      This is very correct. It surprises me that citizens in the US have no idea how much trouble they are in. As more of the government and its policies are controlled by the few with all dollars, it only brings the country closer and closer to complete collapse. These few do not care at all, if half of you all suffer abject poverty and ill health, as long as they can keep making money.

  27. Canada? by syncrotic · · Score: 1

    Funny, I haven't seen any bazaars filled with $1 DVDs around here, which is the sort of thing that characterizes the rest of the entries on the list (except possibly Spain).

    We have a cable / satellite duopoly for broadcast TV (nobody uses free OTA here; reception is nonexistent for most) that extracts $80-100/month out of almost every Canadian household - the same duopoly that supplies broadband internet to 90% of the population. Our communications regulator is a puppet of said duopoly: it recently approved regulations that dictate that nobody may offer better or cheaper internet service than the incumbents. We have the most expensive broadband and cellular in the developed world, and it's getting more expensive rather than less: the duopoly has started charging punitive rates for overages above caps that are set so low as to make streaming video services impossible to use.

    What more does the USTR want? What more does it demand that Canada do to support the content industry's bottom line? Why are American special interests so butthurt over the state of the Canadian content market?

    I think I know: no private citizen has gone before a court in this country over a copyright violation. Our court system doesn't permit the procedural tricks that allow thousands of people of unknown identity to be sued. Hollywood can't stand this.

    1. Re:Canada? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      We have a cable / satellite duopoly for broadcast TV (nobody uses free OTA here; reception is nonexistent for most)

      Please speak for yourself. I use the same rabbit-ears that I had for my tube TV on my plasma, and the picture quality is excellent at 1920x1080 (better tna my neighbor who's on cable) because the signal isn't recompressed, etc.

      I'm surprised that more people don 't do this. Let's face it, if rabbit-ears don't work you can get a pretty good antenna, tower, rotor, etc., for far less than 1 year's "digital subscription".. Sure, you won't have 500 channels, but those 500 channels are really 57 channels and nothing on, and 443 channels that are repeats.

    2. Re:Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah well, the smart ones get internet and phone through independent ISPs for $200 a month for communications and content if you don't want to. Of course that may all change if Sm(B)ell and Robb(g)ers get there way with UBB.

    3. Re:Canada? by greed · · Score: 1

      If you want $1 DVDs, try Chinatown Centre in Toronto, on Spadina between Queen and Dundas. Or Pacific Mall in Markham, on Steeles near Kennedy (IIRC).

      Now, most of the $1 DVDs are pirated Chinese DVDs. But there's Hollywood stuff in there, too; just usually not shown through the window.

      They get busted every year or so, but a month later the shops are full again. For Chinatown Centre, no-one else seems to want to rent those spaces; it's quite the disaster of a mall in terms of footage rented out. So the property managers aren't going to try to stop things. The customers sure aren't.

  28. Canada ?!? by meerling · · Score: 1

    Really? Worthy of some kind of priority piracy watchlist? Canada? I guess the Carebears are on a priority terrorism watchlist.

    1. Re:Canada ?!? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Really? Worthy of some kind of priority piracy watchlist? Canada? I guess the Carebears are on a priority terrorism watchlist.

      Anything, and I mean fucking anything that can shoot beams of light out of it's stomach had better be on that watch list.

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  29. What is this, every 6 months? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. Last time this stuff came out the basis was found to be pretty bogus and arbitrary.

    We do have copyright law. People get prosecuted on the basis of those laws.

    But, no, we do not have to implement something equally as stupid as the US DMCA. Get over it. And if that means we get on some "USA copyright naughty list", fine. Oh, and I have news for you: not everyone in the USA is particularly happy with the overly broad rights and controls that are granted to copyright holders in the USA either, such as the anti-circumvention provisions that can be used to discourage free market competition, and the indefinite copyright extension every couple of decades. Thanks to the experience in the USA we can be aware of these problems, and don't have to implement our laws exactly the same way. Just because the legislators in your country have been bought by copyright holders and ignored their duty to preserve the public domain and user rights side of the issue doesn't mean we have to do the same.

  30. I am proud that my country is on this list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was selling CDs from a pirate stand near a Moscow subway station when I was a schoolboy. I'm glad that my efforts weren't for nothing. It is great to see my modest contribution bearing it's fruits!

    1. Re:I am proud that my country is on this list by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should adopt the MAFIAA business model, and sue the internet for all the revenue you've lost because people don't buy your CD's anymore.

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    2. Re:I am proud that my country is on this list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, everything is not so good even in Russia. We've got our own local MAFIAA led by most peculiar bastard ever -- Nikita Mikhalkov.

      The government has recently introduced media tax. Every time we by clean storage media, some money goes into this bastards pocket. Although most of the people don't care about his miserable creations.

  31. Good luck with Argentina by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 3, Informative

    The perpetual financial crisis in this country along with the lack of moral condemnation makes it a haven of piracy. I'd say that 90 % of desktop computers have ilegal windows and those include many medium-sized companies and goverment instituitons. Those that pay liscenses basically do it in response to fines from possible inspections (or use Linux).

    The 300-plus-page report provides several pages of analysis for each country. As an example, it cites Argentina as having seen 965 percent growth in Internet usage over the last 10 years, with 26 million users (64 percent of the population) now online. Of the entire digital music market in Argentina, piracy represents a staggering 99 percent, with more than 1.25 billion songs downloaded illegally every year.

    There's a 4 to 1 relation between the US dollar and the Argentinian Peso and the average citizen earns much less than first world countries. The cost of life is permanently increasing.

    Taringa.net -- hosted in Argentina; Alexa rank of 116; 7,155 sites linking in, with its biggest audience from Mexico.

    This is the best example. It's the iconic webpage in Argentina for a lot of things and one of those things is file sharing. Everyone who needs certain software knows that the fastest way of getting access to it will probably be to search on that site. People compete for points in a very well thought social system (it includes games and more). Normal people get sucked into this "reputation" thing and become average posters.

    Taringa, in essence, doesn't do anything ilegal because it only has links to hosting sites.

    From the PDF

    Rampant piracy in Argentina remains a very low priority for the government and
    many of its enforcement authorities

    In a country of political turmoil and widespread corruption online piracy is not an issue. Specially when Argentina doesn't have many affected companies or services.

    Regarding the priority actions. Their goals are unrealistic. Many people are hungry and below the line of poverty. If the US wants to provide aid for the goverment, humanitarian needs are closer to what the goverment might look at.

    If they think that pressuring Argentina with bonuses or threats is going to affect this particular line of goverment, they are blatantly wrong. Relations with the US over economy matters are not good after many years of struggles with the International Monetary Fund.

    Tl,DR: Argentinians, used to pay overpriced goods with their low wages don't see any moral problem getting things they'd probably wouldn't be able to have if they didn't resort to piracy and, besides, everyone else does it.

    Arg Gov won't budge in an election year to the likes of USA when there has been no evidence in the past years that this was beneficial (ie: IMF regulations)

    forgive the typos and related grammatical horrors. It's late.

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    1. Re:Good luck with Argentina by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up 'Informative'.

      I've taken a bow and stood clean for a number of years. I know, it sounds like a drug, and in a sense it is. Everyone else does it, and if you don't they accuse you of being hypocritical (sounds stupid, but people usually act that way). It's possible, but social pressure is really intense.

      The greatest problem I see in Argentina is that everything is dollarized: video games and music are really expensive. I couldn't care less, since I don't play games anymore, and I use Jamendo, Magnatune and Grooveshark for my sound fix. I see the motivation to use pirated software and music, though.

      I owned legal copies of a few games back in the days, when they were at a reasonable price (20 bucks, maybe less if that title wasn't new). Nowadays, they can cost four or five times more. My brother, in an act of loyalty to Blizzard, spent a huge load of money to get a legal copy of Starcraft 2: it costed him over 250 (a waste of money if you ask me, the game wasn't that good anyway). That amount of money won't be spent again until the planets align. And the cost of life is raising...

      Want to solve the problem? Have prices so low that would make you a bastard if you don't pay them. Let's say a cent per song, 10 cents at most: a CD would cost no more than 1 peso, and you'll be a maggot if you don't pay it. The best way would be to deploy this model through phone carriers (mobile phones are massively used here, even among the lowest class), and indeed they have done this... but prices are still too high and the whole process is too bothersome. Alternatively, you could involve the broadband carriers: they already charge the internet users! Make it simple and cheap, and your cash flow will INEVITABLY go up.

      Now, I Read The Fine Report, and is laughable. Let's take a look at a few pearls...

      Identify major distributors of pirate products in public markets and promote the revocation of licenses to those points of sale.

      Piracy is systemic, the whole society does it and there's no major distributor. Taringa may count as a distributor, but what they do isn't illegal, so they are screwed from the start.

      Commit, at the highest levels of the Argentine government, to develop and implement a coordinated anti-piracy campaign that addresses hard goods and online infringements as a matter of national priority.

      If a politician established this priority, he would commit political suicide. It would mean that he is out of touch with reality: not because, as I said before, "everybody does it", but because burdening the justice system with something that only benefits foreign governments is strange to say the least.

      Improve border enforcement, partnering with Paraguayan and Brazilian officials to establish a program to inspect goods in-transit for potential pirate product.

      Here they are talking about the Triple Frontera. They are smoking crack if they think copyright should be a concern there. Drug and people trafficking are much more serious than copyright violations and Argentina is not doing a good job on those two issues. And now, we need to check if they carry a CD with pirated music?

      Push for legislation that will establish clear ISP responsibility for illegal content over their networks and a program to address the issue that includes deterrent level sanctions.

      They can't. The Supreme Court have already ruled that packets are equivalent to snail mails, and therefore should be subjected to the same privacy protections.

      Support efforts to issue an executive decree that would require government legalization of current business software programs, within a balanced and neutral system to select technical solutions and improve procurement practices.

      Hmm, interesting. There's a fellah one person away from the president in the federal government that took the lead on this matter, and has been pushing si

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    2. Re:Good luck with Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aguante la piratería!

    3. Re:Good luck with Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a 4 to 1 relation between the US dollar and the Argentinian Peso

      And it takes a whopping 82 Japanese Yen to buy one US dollar. I guess those Japanese must be living in abject poverty. On the other hand, a US dollar will buy you only 1/2 a Latvian Lat, so I guess those Latvians must be living like kings.

      Goddamn I'm tired of dimwits who don't understand exchange rates.

    4. Re:Good luck with Argentina by ltcdata · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a common income in argentina is 36.000 pesos a year. That translates to... USD9000/year. A little department for rent is about 1500 pesos. Eating frugaly for a month a minimum of 1000 pesos. Having a car? 300-400 pesos insurance + 200-400 pesos of "patente" (a tax you have to pay just to have the car and drive on the streets). You see... we ARE a 3rd world country, we have better preocupations like how can we make all the childs eat in every state and not die from hunger, we need to stop drug traffic, etc etc... and you, americans, think we will give a shit about pirated music and software? Ha!

  32. The list is malformed by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An accurate list of piracy must consider theft from the public domain, and robbing future generations of freedom to use their cultural heritage as they see fit.

    The USA is #1 on that list.

    To get off that list, the US should extradite all MPAA and RIAA to the Hague, as well as those U.S. Congressmen and Presidents who bought by copyright extremists.

    1. Re:The list is malformed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An accurate list of piracy must consider theft from the public domain, and robbing future generations of freedom to use their cultural heritage as they see fit.

      The USA is #1 on that list.

      To get off that list, the US should extradite all MPAA and RIAA to the Hague, as well as those U.S. Congressmen and Presidents who bought by copyright extremists.

      And give them a free flight on the taxpayers dime to a country with a reasonable legal system, fiber to the door cheap broadband, and legal cannabis?

      My vote would be extradition to a place where survival is a hard enough without the likes of copyright law. South Pole anyone?

  33. Miracle! by snookiex · · Score: 1

    This should be the first time Colombia is not in a blacklist made by the US

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  34. blame the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so after a few minutes on google it seems that they've put about half (3,225 million) of the world population (6,775 million) on their must watch list. I'm not going to look for the population of the other 27 countries but it wouldn't surprise me if it totals 6,470 million people which is the worlds population minus the USA population.

    I figure I'm in good company (Canada)

  35. RTFA sometimes gives you more info... by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

    There are PDFs with the report of each country:

    Canada: http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2011/2011SPEC301CANADA.pdf

    Taken from: http://www.iipa.com/2011_SPEC301_TOC.htm

    Do not forget to read the Priority Recommendations Section.

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  36. US behind an Iron Curtain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now denizens of the US know what it feels like to peer from behind an Iron Curtain at the Free World, which includes countries like Vietnam and China.

  37. Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised that Australia didn't make that list, with how hard US Studios are trying to hit our No.2 ISP in the courts at the moment.

    1. Re:Australia? by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Actually we used to be on that list every year ;) That changed when the US FTA came in a few years ago. One of the things the FTA did was introduce certain aspects of US copyright law into Australia. And since then we've been absent from the list.

      Of course, bundling in these evil US IP laws was a travesty. But it was a non-negotiable requirement from the US' point of view, driven mostly by the pharmaceutical companies (you can bet the fact we have universal health care with a cap of $22.50 on prescription drugs under the PBS pisses them off no end), and media companies. It's a real shame because the FTA isn't all a bad news story - it has benefitted quite a few exporters and importers in both countries. However we had to sell a bit of our soul (in the form of our less restrictive IP laws) in order to get it.

    2. Re:Australia? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Drugs are covered by patents and at the end of the day were excluded from the FTA precisely because any Aussie government that dismantled the PBS to please the US would be out on it's ear come election time. To the non-Aussies who don't know what the PBS is; it's a government scheme that ensures nobody pays more than (IIRC) $1200 a year for prescription medicine, it's been in effect since the 1950's and promotes the use of generics over brand name drugs.

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    3. Re:Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK you can buy yearly prepaid prescription cards for about £100, and again they are very much for generics over brands. I do it in summer when my hayfever medication plus asthma (triggered by high pollen levels) would normally run me about £16 per month i can instead pay £30 for 3 months worth.

    4. Re:Australia? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      At least here in Canada we were lucky enough that when our government sold us out, I mean signed the free trade agreement with the States it was before the internet so IP laws weren't even considered.

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    5. Re:Australia? by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      In the UK you can buy yearly prepaid prescription cards for about £100,

      In England you can; In Wales and (shortly) Scotland there is no charge for prescription medicine - we take 'free at the point of use' to mean what it says.

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  38. Human Trafficking by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I ignore the US on these and many world issues, because they only complain when Oil or money is involved, and only pass laws that increase profit for the few.

    Not true; those issues--and complaining, for that matter--just get more press. We put out a watch list for human trafficking, too, as part of the annual Trafficking in Persons Report. (Google it, or look at River of Innocents for a good primer on the issue).

    The US does care about money and oil, of course--money and oil pay for everything and make everything work, and we want things to work and influential donors care about those things, so so does the government. But those aren't the only things we care about. The Global Health Initiatives, for example, have tremendously increased the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people, yet they rarely make it into the news. For some reason it's not as sexy to prevent Malaria as it is to do another story on Charlie Sheen.

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    1. Re:Human Trafficking by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      lol

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    2. Re:Human Trafficking by techno_dan · · Score: 1

      And you don't think there is an ulterior agenda when it comes to these health initiatives? Many times, they demand concessions from those governments to get that aid. The health industry is big money in the US, and Lobby hard for more profit. As to the trafficking, I agree. That is a good cause, but hardly in the press, why? no money. Just take a look at universal health care. Poor Americans are out of luck, why? because the health lobby would lose billions from the middle and upper class. It is more profitable to let the poor die. That's the problem, money and oil do not make everything run. Its the lobby in the US that wants it to be needed to make everything to run. But back to the topic. Music and other media. I will NEVER conform to a law that is not in the public interest. Laws are supposed to represent the best interests of the majority, and not the pockets of the few greedy. If a law is ever passed to prevent circumvention in Canada, it will challenged and thrown out in short order.

  39. Piracy may be Prohibition for our era by mykos · · Score: 1

    It seems to be happening all over the internet and in courtrooms. I think something big is brewing. There is more attention than ever on piracy, with publishers blaming everything on pirates, and pirates blaming everything on publishers.

    There may be something amiss with our current laws, seeing as how everyone is upset about them on both sides of the argument. I have a feeling the anti-piracy crowd isn't going to get what they want just because of the sheer numbers of people who are either apathetic about the issue or just like getting free stuff without going to prison for it.

    It's like Prohibition. When you have a couple hundred million people engaged in an activity that they have no moral problem with, they're going to obtain what they want regardless of the law. You can't imprison everyone (at least, not without a police state), and you can't change legislate someone's morality.

    They anti-piracy groups do have money though, and it's not secret that money buys you laws in the United States, so they may be able swing the lawmakers in their favor. They are the benefactors of piracy prohibition. Much like the mafia families who derived a good chunk of their fortunes from selling a product at a high price, they too have their prices protected by government intervention, just from a different angle.

  40. IIPA = Not US Government by mutherhacker · · Score: 1

    The IIPA is NOT the US Government. It's a private organization, hence the title of the story is misleading.

    A quote from their website: "IIPA is a private sector coalition, formed in 1984, of trade associations representing U.S. copyright-based industries..."

  41. I know why Thailand is on the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When all the US inspectors are showing the evidence of Child Pornography to their attornies and judges, they are all dumbfounded at why this one little Thailand-American girl can be in so-many different CP movies yet her American website lists here as 2257 compliant: so the US Supreme Court of Kangaroos decided that all the other girls in Thailand are in-fact pirated copies of this 14th-Amendment citizen of the United States and we will not rest until every video-maker including every Thailand penis and Thailand vagina is prosecuted for copyright violation in the fact of mass duplication and delivery.

    For proof, /b/ is that'a way...

  42. Uncorruptable list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, this list is the countries that could not be bought (yet).

  43. The real pirates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .are the IIPA member associations themselves. BSA? The Bullshit Association? Lobbying UK Govt to keep its lock-in in proprietary formats? RIAA? Need I say more?

    Assholes

  44. Original author a IIRPA mouthpiece by SuperDuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the author of TFA had bothered to do any of his own independent research, he would have found that ISOhunt is *NOT* a cyberlocker, but a specialized search engine. Torrents != file storage.

    The only reason us Canadians made the list is because of the previously mentioned reasons of our lack of DMCA-style legislation, and our "copyright" levy on digital media, which allows us far more fair-use of our purchased digital wares than the country that purports to allow fair use.

    The U.S. can "Special 301" us all they want, but with our current government (what with Minister Tony Clement siding with consumers on denying Usage-Based Billing for wholesale accounts, and examining the larger UBB issue for consumer accounts), and the many public hearings on our "DMCA" legislation, I don't think the US FTR is going to hold much sway over our internal priorities.

    Professor Michael Geist and Openmedia.CA FTW! :-)

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    1. Re:Original author a IIRPA mouthpiece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The U.S. can "Special 301" us all they want, but with our current government (what with Minister Tony Clement siding with consumers on denying Usage-Based Billing for wholesale accounts, and examining the larger UBB issue for consumer accounts), and the many public hearings on our "DMCA" legislation, I don't think the US FTR is going to hold much sway over our internal priorities.

      Professor Michael Geist and Openmedia.CA FTW! :-)

      Do you really believe the government's handling of UBB is any indication of how they will handle US influence over copyright, fair dealing, etc.?

      Most people don't know much about copyright, or at least the little details or long-term consequences, and they don't care. Copyright is not a make-or-break issue for the government in the next election.

      People do see when they have to pay a lot more money for a "necessary" service, esp. when they know Americans are getting a better deal. UBB does anger us average schmucks in Canada. And the cable and/or phone companies are *hated* in many parts of Canada, a lot more than any entertainment producer or distributor. The level of hate depends on the area and service but overall, there's hate. The government had to act on this or fear being associated with some of the most-hated corporations in Canada.

      The only reason the Canadian DMCA hasn't been passed yet is because of a minority government. Sooner or later, Harper will chip away at anti-Con or anti-Harper support enough to get that majority, or the Liberals will get their act together and come up with somebody who can win. When that happens, we'll see a more stable government and more US-friendly policies, esp. in the first year or two because that will give people time to forget by the fourth and fifth years.

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  45. Canadian copyright isn't weak at all by belmolis · · Score: 1

    Actually, in many ways we have stronger copyright laws in Canada than the US does, according to copyright expert Harold Knopf. The US media companies are just pushing for ever more draconian laws.

  46. As a Filipino, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off USTR!!! Everybody pirates in the Philippines. We have bigger problems than dealing w/ piracy!! arrrrrrrr

  47. As an argentinian and a software (game) developer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope this fails...

    This bullshit is just taxidermy... trying to keep alive a corpse of a business plan. I don't just hope. I know it will fail.

    Fuck this.

  48. symmetrical sanctions by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    I think the 13 countries on the Special 301 list should educate their population about (fake FRN = pirated) dollars and place all US government employees, including vacationers, on a watch list.

  49. Canada freeloading as usual by makubesu · · Score: 1

    They get to pirate quality US music while all we can pirate back is Justin Bieber and Celine Dion!

    1. Re:Canada freeloading as usual by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Also Nickelback :-(

      But Canada is trying to make up for past wrongs. They have Deadmau5 now. B-)

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  50. Actually there are 2, possibly 3 by 91degrees · · Score: 0

    The IIPA doesn't give a damn about Chile, India or any of them except possibly China, Spain and Canada. Sure, they'd like the other countries to do something but it's more about shaming those three by being on the same list as a bunch of countries that everyone *knows* are terrible offenders.

  51. Every time we (Canada) are on the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it makes me take it less and less seriously. First it was horrendous, then it was a joke, then a nuissance, and now it's not even that.

    We actually pay a tax on blank CD's because they ASSUME we are going to pirate with it. We pay for music that many of us would never buy, or use in any shape or form.

    And they say we have lax artist protections? I remember when the CRIA, (our version of the RIAA), started suing people, pretty much every Canadian musician pulled out of the organizations. Put more simply, OUR OWN ARTISTS think we have gone too far with protection.

  52. It's easy to sue China and get money out of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's easy to sue China and get money out of them, since they hold US federal treasury bonds, a judge can simply reassign ownership to pay for the judgement.

  53. On a general statement about piracy by Venerence · · Score: 1

    One of the best things about living in Australia is we're so off the world political map that it is like its own semitransparent bubble of isolation. I can personally pirate all I need to and not worry about any repercussions as the big leagues just don't care about our poisonous-animal-and-cute-fuzzy-rabbit infested desert of an island.

    That being said, I have no problem with personal piracy. I don't justify it, I don't say that it's a victimless crime, I don't make roundabout logic that say the 'victims' are actually getting a backhanded profit. I just don't care about the victims.

    Why should I, Joe Blog, computer repair shop 40 thousand dollar a year worker, care about the woes and tribulations about a person who makes millions of a year? Am I really going to cry a river when their 15 million annual income drops to 13 million? Do I care if I pirate an enormously successful game? "But what about the crushingly hard worked game developers who toil under their publisher's whips?" Why should I care? They can be lucky to get a 5 grand bonus on a successful game, maybe a millionth of the profit will ever touch their carpel-tunneled claws. Their problem is they need a union.

    There is really only one thing that I detest and that is when money is torn out of the indie and independent artists. I spent 89 dollars on the humble indie bundle (which, by the way, is the average retail price of australian games for no arbitrary reason given the dollar parity). I pay to go see the new bands show up at the local pub. I loved seeing Jonathan Coulton live during my visit to the US. If you want to make an impact with piracy, don't throw a fit because the government is in the Mafiaa's pocket, do what you can to avoid them and then support the people who really deserve it.

    1. Re:On a general statement about piracy by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      I would give you mod points if I had any. I pirate things that I don't think have much value to me, are way over-priced, or are easier to get via piracy (the latest BBC shows for example). But I spend a fair amount of cash on the things that have high value to me, such as games and other computer software. Used to hate steam but now am bordering on a fan boy - it is very easy and I love the way games are portable across machines. The games I buy I get good value out of - 100+ hours normally for something that costs twice as much as a movie that gives 1.5 hours of possible entertainment. I think the message is simple. Make it easy. Make it good value (not necessarily cheap). Otherwise a significant number will pirate. Oh, and there will always be those that pirate to save whatever price it is. But the majority are lazy, and so will take the path of least resistance as long as they think they are getting value.

  54. What about us? by dutchd00d · · Score: 1

    I'm frankly appalled at the lack of effort from the Dutch. Must try harder.

  55. Why Canada Is On The List by HannethCom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The USTR has stated time and again why we are on this list. It comes down to the business laws of Canada. When you pay for something, you get something in return. That thing in return is either a product, a license, or in some very controlled circumstances a limited license which is what renting falls under.

    Under Canadian law when you buy a product, you can do anything you want with it and cannot be restricted by the creator except to void the warranty, though there are some restrictions there as well. If you sell a license to something, then you can put restrictions on how that license can be used, to an extent. When you give something, you have to get something in return. This giving and getting does not have to involve currency.

    The CMPDA and CRIA had movies and music classified as licenses instead of as a product. This allowed them to restricts you from public showings or broadcast of their media. You do not own the media, you own a license to that performance. It doesn't matter how you got that performance, thus why downloading content isn't illegal in Canada. It is only illegal if you watch, or listen to something you don't have a license for. If you download something you don't have a license for and use it, that is illegal.

    This does not fit the US laws very well, as right now if you "buy" a DVD in stores in the US, you do not own the media, or have the right to view what you just bought. You have paid for nothing. There is only the possibility that the MPAA will allow you to watch that video. They have no obligation to allow you to watch what you paid for, they can actually say, no, we will not allow you to watch that and it is then illegal for you to watch it, and they don't have to reimburse you.

    That is illegal in Canada and always will be as giving and receiving are part of the fundamental laws in Canada that all business law is predicated on. Furthermore, our founders made it unconstitutional for any future government to try to change this and any law passed should be tossed out by the courts.

    Basically the US has a problem with our laws that require getting something when you give something.

    Ever wondered why when you "win" a contest you have to answer a stupidly easy skill testing question in Canada? It is because that skill testing questing counts as a form of work that you are giving, to receive what ever the prize is.

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    1. Re:Why Canada Is On The List by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Ever wondered why when you "win" a contest you have to answer a stupidly easy skill testing question in Canada? It is because that skill testing questing counts as a form of work that you are giving, to receive what ever the prize is.

      Sounds unlikely. The reason for this in the UK is that there are stricter laws governing games of chance than games of skill. If you have multiple people winning a game of skill, then you can pick a random one as a winner and it still counts as a competition, not a lottery. If they didn't have to answer the question then it would be a pure lottery, and these are quite heavily regulated if the prize is worth more than about £50.

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    2. Re:Why Canada Is On The List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a moronically uninformed assessment of both the Canadian and US legal IP regimes.

  56. Romania rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    f.u.c.k. BSA & MPAA!!!

  57. You forgot Poland! by hat_eater · · Score: 1

    This list unfairly tarnishes Poland's reputation - by omission. Seriously, folks in my office are current with all the series from US cable tv's. We demand recognition!

  58. Re:It's easy to sue China and get money out of the by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    The thing is, they hold an extremely great amount of US federal treasury bonds. If the US get uppity about honoring that debt (such as declaring parts of it void based on the verdict of its own courts), then they are pissing off a very powerful creditor.

  59. Stop spreading those "news" by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Even the USA themselves freely admit that this list is pure, grade A bullshit.

    If you _have_ to accept the yearly Special 301 story, at least make sure it's one pointing this out and moking the practice properly.

  60. Spain: we don't want to be on that list. by Tei · · Score: 1

    This is the list made by the lobyist to flag "rogue countries". Is a political list. Is the way to tell these countries "We don't like your laws".

    Well.. *I* don't like YOUR laws USA. Maybe you sould change a system that give more voice to the people with the dollars than the people than vote!? I am going to put USA on a list too.

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  61. Not Accurate RE SKTQ by brunes69 · · Score: 2

    Not going to bother to look up your other claims... but your final one about the STQ is certianly wrong.

    The reason the STQ is required under the criminal code has nothing to do with making the winner of a prize "do work". It is so that companies can turn contests a game of skill.

    Games of skill and games of chance are treated differently under the criminal code, with games of chance falling under provincial gaming regulations, games of skill or of mixed chance and skill are not.

    It has nothing to do with exchange of work for services.

  62. I wish my country was on the list by kiwix · · Score: 1

    Actually, you should be glad to be on the list: it means that have not yet surrendered all your freedom to the big entertainment industry.

  63. Pot calling kettle black... by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 1

    From my strictly personal point of view, this list is of little importance (actually no importance at all). At least until the US cleans up it's act.

    Let me explain: at the moment US copyright laws demand that you register your work with some federal agency (or similar), if you want to have a decent chance of getting any money should someone inside the USA infringe on your copyright. This is all fine and well. EXCEPT for people who live and work outside the USA! I see no reason why I, neither living nor working in USA, should have to pay the USA money to get the same level of protection for my work that inhabitants of the USA get for free in my country.

    Just to prove my point: use Google to search for a picture with the description "footprints in the snow". Add "site:wordpress.com" to narrow the search. One of the pictures in the result is mine (currently picture number six on page two). Now change the search to "footprints snow mentor". You will get another result, but one with my picture on it, in a cropped version (currently number one in the results). This is not hosted on any server where I have put it, and it is used as decoration on a website used to advertise the services sold by an individual (or small company). The way the law seems to work I cannot get this particular individual to either stop using my image or pay me for its use. (I have contacted Apple, who seem to own the server the offending webpage is located on, with little result).

    Therefore, as long as the USA expects foreign residents to pay for the protection afforded for free to "americans" in other countries, the USA is not credible in matters of copyright infringement.

    Note to readers: although I use myself as an example here, I very much doubt I am the only one in similar circumstances. Further: I have nothing against Google indexing my websites, no matter where they are hosted. I have nothing against Google making and serving thumbnails of my pictures. It is when my pictures are used to advertise the products/services of other people/companies I think I should be payed.

    1. Re:Pot calling kettle black... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually MY photo.

    2. Re:Pot calling kettle black... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Let me explain: at the moment US copyright laws demand that you register your work with some federal agency (or similar),

      WRONG. Under US law, copyright inherently exists on all works at the point of original creation/publishing and belongs to the original author unless transfered. Copyright registration is an optional service so that copyright holders can have reliable proof of their copyright. Your copyrights exist and are enforceable whether you register or not.

      The way the law seems to work I cannot get this particular individual to either stop using my image or pay me for its use. (I have contacted Apple, who seem to own the server the offending webpage is located on, with little result).

      Send a DMCA takedown notice both to Apple as well as the contact info for the offending website owner. It doesn't cost anything, and it will go further than where you seem to have gotten so far.
       

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    3. Re:Pot calling kettle black... by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 1

      True: I have got the details wrong, but to me it looks like I can't get anywhere without registering my work. It appears I need a lawyer to get payed for the use of my picture, and without registering it I can only get payed what I would have charged had I been asked before hand. IE I cannot get payed for the extra expense of having a lawyer. To me that adds up to making a loss by looking after my rights. By registering the work I seem to be able to get a whole lot more than I would have charged had I been asked before hand.

      I might try the DMCA-route, I haven't thought of that possibiliy before.

  64. Calling on all Australians ... by quenda · · Score: 1

    Calling on all Australians to work extra hard over the coming months to make the list for 2012. Damn those Canadians. Even the Spaniards beat us.

  65. I'm afraid this report is pure bullshit by Weezul · · Score: 1

    All the cyber locker sites exist because email doesn't permit large enough attachments. There are numerous small businesses that use cyber lockers to communicate with their clients, sub contractors, etc. The war on cyber lockers is a war on small, not the fight against piracy.

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  66. oh no by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    not this again. Is the war on drugs over? Or the war in Afghanistan? Will there be a "war on piracy", the copyright kind? Should everybody stock up on pictures of Betty Boop (oh, wait, that one has expired, so it's legal, right?)

    1. Re:oh no by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Is the war on drugs over?

      Of course not, there was never any plan for it to be over.

      Will there be a "war on piracy", the copyright kind?

      You bet! After all, in the USA, everyone seems to be brainwashed into thinking that copyright represents some sort of natural right.

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  67. I live in Argentina by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 1

    I live in Argentina. There are treaties about mutual IP protection with the US. That means that (at least in form) we care about US' copyright holders and the US cares about ours. There's an agency called "Legal Software". Thay have te authority to inspect business' PCs, ask you for the licenses of whatever software they find. If you don't have it, they fine you and make you pay for the license. It's like a fiscal audit, in that respect.

    This piece of legislation was passed during the 90's when we had a right-winged goverment which was desperate to please the US. Large enterprises have legally bought software, the others mostly not.

    Do you want to know something funny? For a lot of tax-related and personal accounting operations you need to download and use software provided by the AFIP - that is an agency equal to US' IRS. That software only works under Windows. Funny, right?

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  68. http://www.ppshopping.us by lili30 · · Score: 0

    www.ppshopping.us/

  69. i think ill go download some music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    boy they really are hurting me aren't they

  70. Never Cry Wolf... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Does ANY body pay any attention to this anymore. Its been a joke for years. Canada has been on the list for years. The USA is the worst offender, yet not counted on its own list. The entire purpose is to try and throw fodder on the fire to introduce insane US friendly copyright law in Canada and others, mostly at the behest of the US media which have lobbyists and US politicians in their pockets.

    I will NEVER vote for any government that supports this. Not even looking at the details of copyright, this is another country, being overly influenced by corporations and greed, trying to influence law in my country and infringing on our national sovereignty.

    You can take you list and shove it. This type of action is not endearing your largest trading partner.

    I mean there was a scandal up here, where it was found that the reports surrounding piracy, the government recommendations, AND the actual bill itself was largely authored, word for word, by the US media industry. I mean if it wasn't so sad it would be ironic (in that they copied the copyright material).

    I will not shed one single tear for those companies, they can take off eh?

  71. So, in other words by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    These are the best countries in which to go shopping for bootleg CDs and DVDs? Thanks for the free advertising!

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  72. As An American by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    As a proud American citizen, this list makes me want to move to Canada....

  73. 'Watch' Russia, China .... by unity100 · · Score: 1

    The insolence of these private whores are mind boggling. 'Watch' China ? the country which practically OWNS the united states government debt, because these private interests in america, the very ones which are demanding government to 'watch' for piracy, are not paying taxes and instead enjoying tax breaks at the expense of people ?

    China owns up to 1 TRILLION dollars in u.s. debt. thats 1 trillion. not billion.

    this debt will need to be paid. if it is not paid, then it will make u.s. govt. bonds practically worthless, and make u.s. unable to get any funding. if, china sells these before their time is mature, and en masse, this will again kill u.s. govt debt capability. it will also kill $ in international market.

    but these whores, want u.s. to watch china, the practical owner of the government.

    how. and with what.

    im not even touching the subject of russia. a country which is run by post-soviet mafia. the country which no such whores perpetrating private interests from america has been able to infiltrate and take over. (actually that constitutes majority of the friction in between u.s. and russia and china governments. u.s. corps want to turn those countries into whores like they did to us govt, through proxies. they dont let it.)

    really im wondering with what this 'watching' china, russia, will happen. what kind of resources, bargaining power will be used. it is like trying to practically play tough against your landlord.

  74. Ironic by saihung · · Score: 1

    It took the USA about 100 years to join the Berne Convention, and now the terms and conditions of treaties like TRIPS and WIPO is basically written by American corporations, for American corporations. Why should any work continue to be copyrighted for 99 years after the death of its creator? Whom, other than idle heirs and immortal corporations, does this benefit?

  75. Portugal, the good student... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  76. 13 Countries On US "Priority Watch List" For Copyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "13 Countries On US "Priority Watch List" For Copyright Piracy"

    Yet there is no list in the summary or linked article. In likeness of the second post,

    Dear editors,

    Phoque you eh?

  77. USA...BAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Canadian I just love to see the American's point fingers at others for these 'Specialized reports'. The USA needs to correct their own internal issues first before then run around the world telling others how to deal with issues. As SuperDuck points out we have levy's here in Canada on digital media. The only issues which Canada must address directly though is the decrease in usage of digital media and the increase in use of alternative storage mediums. The system which we have in place in Canada is certainly not perfect but I dare say it is better than most.

  78. I've seen it by Celestialwolf · · Score: 1
    It's true; I lived in Costa Rica for a couple years (one of the countries on the list), and the whole time I was there, I don't think I saw a single legitimate DVD store. People would hang out around bus stops to sell burned DVDs (with printed copies of the title inserts) for around 2000 colones (roughly the equivalent of $4). There were even stores dedicated to "renting" these bootlegged DVDs, and I always laughed when the owners would complain about people just taking the movies they'd rented and not returning them.

    There were also stores where you could fill up your mp3 player with thousands of popular songs for just a few dollars.

    While I'm not a fan of MPAA or RIAA and etc., there is a legitimate cost associated with shooting a film, and I think it's wrong to make a profit from selling unauthorized copies that the studio will never see a cent from. Same goes for recording a track (though I sometimes download an "extended trial version" of a song myself). ;)