"Media protocols capability, BT client, rsync, throughput, software maturity, webserver : I'll go for the Synology DS207+ , that is - unless this discussion leads elsewhere."
this is not network attached storage. If you're doing anything with the device other than pure storage you've moved beyond that. Some people just want to attach some hard drives to a network.
One of two things are going to happen here. This will cripple the economy as universities stand up to the government and the MPAA and more and more people will become unskilled. Eventually the economy will completely collapse and the country will be thrown in to chaos causing them to start over. Hopefully this time they'll do a much better job of it.
Alternatively the government will become so corrupt and controlling even china will take a step back and think "Hmmm maybe its time we invaded and spread democracy".
Both 2 and 5 have some sort of fecal component to the game. Not to mention in 5 they seem to cry like little bitches every time the game ends. An excellent message for children. Watch out for fly shit, but no matter what you do you'll end up crying in the end.
It is clear that the police have significant evidence to pin the crime on her, and the original jury clearly thought so
Yes because historically the police have never gotten lazy and focused on a wrong suspect then done everything possible to make a guilty person innocent. Also jury's have never been mislead by getting a distorted picture through suppressed evidence and a sweet talking prosecutor. While likely, its not "clear".
Which is usually a different admin. Unless you think is there some mass conspiracy on wikipedia against a particular article that should solve the problem.
From what I've seen they they tend to err on the side of caution and if there is any significant amount of people calling for a relist, they will tend to relist it. If you really are that jaded about it, move on. No one is forcing you to edit and contribute to the site.
it has nothing to do with percentage of the population. it has to do with coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Most, if not all, of the notability guidelines are standardized on the criterion that they have coverage from multiple sources (more than 1). So if they are the subject of more than one article by a reliable source voila, they qualify for an article.
There is some debate on what qualifies as a reliable source (often in the form of a thinly disguised blog) but there is a noticeboard for the discussion of those sources if they come in to question.
Notability serves to do more than just establish the fact that many people know about subject x. It also establishes the fact that its possible to write an article about the subject. If there are no reliable secondary sources on the subject, an article can't be written. Wikipedia is a tertiary source not a secondary source. The preferred sources for an article are secondary sources. If an article is based primarily on primary sources, the existence of the article should be questioned.
Because if your girlfriend doesn't believe its notable she can go to the article and verify the notability by looking at the sources and external links.
She can then look at the notability guidelines and say "yes this meets this criteria". The problem is the articles being deleted can't do this. Instead you get people running around go "oh I know about it so therefore its notable".
wow.. I'll take your word for it mr.anonymousinternetuser69
you must also be ignoring the fact that there is a deletion review process as well which anyone can submit any closed AfD to if they think the closing admin made a mistake.
Just because you delete something doesn't mean you're not improving the encyclopedia as a whole. You can't see the forest for the trees.
In an individual article text will be removed or rewritten as necessary to make the article better. In an encyclopedia articles can be removed or rewritten as necessary to improve the entire encyclopedia.
Some people seem to think you should just endlessly add text to something to make it better. Those people obviously have never done any writing outside of high school where they were forced to reach a certain word count and just kept shoveling stuff in until they hit it.
regular updates and an "Active" fanbase doesn't exactly establish notability. Active by whose definition? that's a fairly subjective piece of criteria. If you got 2 guys who just love your stuff and hang out and post all the time talking to each other, you could describe that as "active". Just because I plug away and continually update the comic doesn't make it notable. What are you going to write in an article? Joe updates his comics everyday, its much appreciate by his 2 fans [citation needed]. If you don't have independent reliable sources to base an article on, what is going to be written? Wikipedia is a tertiary source which bases its articles on existing reliable secondary sources. It avoids primary sources wherever possible.
That's because you're not being objective. If you know the history of every article that's been added for him, chances are you're a dedicated fan. To a dedicated fan ANYTHING would look more important than something else.
On the other hand for an objective editor to come in and attempt to establish the notability of either subject they'd probably have a much easier job establishing that of Warhammer 40k. A corporation behind it with $x amount of sales, video games, independent coverage, etc. That is often where a lot of wiki bashing comes from is simply people who didn't get their pet idea on wikipedia and want to rant about it. 2 sources of independent coverage by a reliable source where the subject of the article is the subject of that coverage that's it. That is all you need to satisfy notability criteria. If that can't be done obviously not that many people really think this subject is worth that kind of coverage.
"and I thought the goal behind Wikipedia was to centralize as much of it as possible." That's the problem. That is not its goal. It's goal is to build an encyclopedia. The misconception you have is held by many who think wikipedia was intended to be built like this:
cd theinternet copy *.* \wikipedia
The difference between halle barry and jimbob's garage band is that outside of jimbob's family people have actually heard about Halle Barry. People have written articles about her. Outside of the 4th grade weekly. If you want to create a wiki who's actual intent is to record every human thought ever thunk, feel free to download, host and fork it. Its all GPL. If I had complete control we'd nip the 8 billion pokemon articles down to about 4. But obviously enough people feel the minutia of the pokemon universe is really that notable.
If you want to dig up obscure information on a webcomic you could go to that webcomics page, or say use this thing called "Google". I hear it can do some pretty neat searching.
someone needs 2 pieces of coverage from a reliable source. Notability threshold is actually quite low. If you can't find it out on wikipedia, I hear there is this thing called "google".
and that really only lasts as long as the secret stays secret. As soon as someone lets it slip and word gets round people who want to steal them will just move them off campus and either use them there or sell them.
As has been pointed out many times here social engineering is the real downfall.
that's often the way. Every time I hear statistics about how frequent something is, it sounds ridiculously high. You begin to look around at your coworkers and friends and think 3 of you will be dead by the end of the day if this it be believed...
or what would prevent a shady seller from using a pool of "clean" serial numbers for all their laptops. What buyer is really going to complain if the item shows up working and as described but the serial number doesn't match?
I think its the other way around. I think it became about personal wealth when they started pumping out expansions biweekly. When I quit there were like 14, now its like 50 or something. Type 2 feeds the wealth (its only the most recent X expansions), and unless you have a good group of friends you're going to meet dicks who won't let you use proxy, etc.
Generally speaking since people started talking about "power decks" thats when it went downhill. I blame Inquest. There would always be one person in the group who'd find a powerdeck list and build off it. Everyone else playing more casual decks would lose most of the time to it and they'd either push that guy out or do the same.
I was coming to make that point. My Korean friends all highly prefer naver, and if I ever try to search something with Google around them I'm afraid I'll get smacked. As is seemingly the custom there if their movies can be believed.
While Google is expanding with news, gmail, online office apps, etc, they've got a long way to go before they could compete with the offerings of a site like naver. Even if they matched them, they'd still have to compete with brand. Though I have always wondered about the name. There is no V in Korean, so it seems to me that the english version of the name should sound a lot more like a slightly mispronounced "neighbour".
Yes I am. When I was in college I had a classmate from Thailand. Its also why I buy CD keys from a genuine retailer there occasionally. Companies don't take an 80% price cut just for fun. Good Thailand and Price control and you'll find a host of information on various price controls they've established (though recently lifting some)
in thailand I believe there is price control in effect. They don't have an option of charging more. they can either charge that much or leave the market.
For the record I bought my BF2 key from a legitimate thai store (not someone who buys some boxes and sells the keys), and EA never gave me any hassle in all the time I used it...
not all publishers are like this...
as much as I hate to praise EA.
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anyone I know learned to read before the first grade.
*that* *was* *really* "insightful"
"Media protocols capability, BT client, rsync, throughput, software maturity, webserver : I'll go for the Synology DS207+ , that is - unless this discussion leads elsewhere."
this is not network attached storage. If you're doing anything with the device other than pure storage you've moved beyond that. Some people just want to attach some hard drives to a network.
One of two things are going to happen here. This will cripple the economy as universities stand up to the government and the MPAA and more and more people will become unskilled. Eventually the economy will completely collapse and the country will be thrown in to chaos causing them to start over. Hopefully this time they'll do a much better job of it.
Alternatively the government will become so corrupt and controlling even china will take a step back and think "Hmmm maybe its time we invaded and spread democracy".
shouldn't this be modded funny? These systems are rarely usable or friendly. Especially the new ones that try to do voice recognition..
Both 2 and 5 have some sort of fecal component to the game. Not to mention in 5 they seem to cry like little bitches every time the game ends. An excellent message for children. Watch out for fly shit, but no matter what you do you'll end up crying in the end.
Which is usually a different admin. Unless you think is there some mass conspiracy on wikipedia against a particular article that should solve the problem.
From what I've seen they they tend to err on the side of caution and if there is any significant amount of people calling for a relist, they will tend to relist it. If you really are that jaded about it, move on. No one is forcing you to edit and contribute to the site.
it has nothing to do with percentage of the population. it has to do with coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Most, if not all, of the notability guidelines are standardized on the criterion that they have coverage from multiple sources (more than 1). So if they are the subject of more than one article by a reliable source voila, they qualify for an article.
There is some debate on what qualifies as a reliable source (often in the form of a thinly disguised blog) but there is a noticeboard for the discussion of those sources if they come in to question.
Notability serves to do more than just establish the fact that many people know about subject x. It also establishes the fact that its possible to write an article about the subject. If there are no reliable secondary sources on the subject, an article can't be written. Wikipedia is a tertiary source not a secondary source. The preferred sources for an article are secondary sources. If an article is based primarily on primary sources, the existence of the article should be questioned.
Because if your girlfriend doesn't believe its notable she can go to the article and verify the notability by looking at the sources and external links.
She can then look at the notability guidelines and say "yes this meets this criteria". The problem is the articles being deleted can't do this. Instead you get people running around go "oh I know about it so therefore its notable".
wow.. I'll take your word for it mr.anonymousinternetuser69
you must also be ignoring the fact that there is a deletion review process as well which anyone can submit any closed AfD to if they think the closing admin made a mistake.
Just because you delete something doesn't mean you're not improving the encyclopedia as a whole. You can't see the forest for the trees.
In an individual article text will be removed or rewritten as necessary to make the article better. In an encyclopedia articles can be removed or rewritten as necessary to improve the entire encyclopedia.
Some people seem to think you should just endlessly add text to something to make it better. Those people obviously have never done any writing outside of high school where they were forced to reach a certain word count and just kept shoveling stuff in until they hit it.
regular updates and an "Active" fanbase doesn't exactly establish notability. Active by whose definition? that's a fairly subjective piece of criteria. If you got 2 guys who just love your stuff and hang out and post all the time talking to each other, you could describe that as "active". Just because I plug away and continually update the comic doesn't make it notable. What are you going to write in an article? Joe updates his comics everyday, its much appreciate by his 2 fans [citation needed].
If you don't have independent reliable sources to base an article on, what is going to be written? Wikipedia is a tertiary source which bases its articles on existing reliable secondary sources. It avoids primary sources wherever possible.
That's because you're not being objective. If you know the history of every article that's been added for him, chances are you're a dedicated fan. To a dedicated fan ANYTHING would look more important than something else.
On the other hand for an objective editor to come in and attempt to establish the notability of either subject they'd probably have a much easier job establishing that of Warhammer 40k. A corporation behind it with $x amount of sales, video games, independent coverage, etc. That is often where a lot of wiki bashing comes from is simply people who didn't get their pet idea on wikipedia and want to rant about it. 2 sources of independent coverage by a reliable source where the subject of the article is the subject of that coverage that's it. That is all you need to satisfy notability criteria. If that can't be done obviously not that many people really think this subject is worth that kind of coverage.
"and I thought the goal behind Wikipedia was to centralize as much of it as possible." That's the problem. That is not its goal. It's goal is to build an encyclopedia. The misconception you have is held by many who think wikipedia was intended to be built like this:
cd theinternet
copy *.* \wikipedia
The difference between halle barry and jimbob's garage band is that outside of jimbob's family people have actually heard about Halle Barry. People have written articles about her. Outside of the 4th grade weekly. If you want to create a wiki who's actual intent is to record every human thought ever thunk, feel free to download, host and fork it. Its all GPL. If I had complete control we'd nip the 8 billion pokemon articles down to about 4. But obviously enough people feel the minutia of the pokemon universe is really that notable.
If you want to dig up obscure information on a webcomic you could go to that webcomics page, or say use this thing called "Google". I hear it can do some pretty neat searching.
someone needs 2 pieces of coverage from a reliable source. Notability threshold is actually quite low. If you can't find it out on wikipedia, I hear there is this thing called "google".
and that really only lasts as long as the secret stays secret. As soon as someone lets it slip and word gets round people who want to steal them will just move them off campus and either use them there or sell them. As has been pointed out many times here social engineering is the real downfall.
really only useful in a limited sense. Assuming whoever steals it hooks it in to the campus network or doesn't know how to spoof it.
that's often the way. Every time I hear statistics about how frequent something is, it sounds ridiculously high. You begin to look around at your coworkers and friends and think 3 of you will be dead by the end of the day if this it be believed...
or what would prevent a shady seller from using a pool of "clean" serial numbers for all their laptops. What buyer is really going to complain if the item shows up working and as described but the serial number doesn't match?
I think its the other way around. I think it became about personal wealth when they started pumping out expansions biweekly. When I quit there were like 14, now its like 50 or something. Type 2 feeds the wealth (its only the most recent X expansions), and unless you have a good group of friends you're going to meet dicks who won't let you use proxy, etc.
Generally speaking since people started talking about "power decks" thats when it went downhill. I blame Inquest. There would always be one person in the group who'd find a powerdeck list and build off it. Everyone else playing more casual decks would lose most of the time to it and they'd either push that guy out or do the same.
I was coming to make that point. My Korean friends all highly prefer naver, and if I ever try to search something with Google around them I'm afraid I'll get smacked. As is seemingly the custom there if their movies can be believed. While Google is expanding with news, gmail, online office apps, etc, they've got a long way to go before they could compete with the offerings of a site like naver. Even if they matched them, they'd still have to compete with brand. Though I have always wondered about the name. There is no V in Korean, so it seems to me that the english version of the name should sound a lot more like a slightly mispronounced "neighbour".
Yes I am. When I was in college I had a classmate from Thailand. Its also why I buy CD keys from a genuine retailer there occasionally. Companies don't take an 80% price cut just for fun. Good Thailand and Price control and you'll find a host of information on various price controls they've established (though recently lifting some)
in thailand I believe there is price control in effect. They don't have an option of charging more. they can either charge that much or leave the market. For the record I bought my BF2 key from a legitimate thai store (not someone who buys some boxes and sells the keys), and EA never gave me any hassle in all the time I used it... not all publishers are like this... as much as I hate to praise EA.