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DS Games for Pre-readers?

ProfJonathan writes "My daughter just got a DS from the grandparents for her 6th birthday. She's only beginning to read, but wants a bunch of games of her own rather than just playing her older brothers' games. She got Nintendogs with the DS, so that's taken care of, but other relatives are asking what she might want. Can anyone recommend some good DS games that don't require reading skill, that might be age-appropriate and interesting for a 1st grade girl?" Wouldn't it be creepy if the kid had a really good brain age?

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  1. Some Ideas by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are a few.
    Diddy Kong Racing
    Yoshi's Island
    Super Princess Peach
    Kirby Squeak Squad
    Lego Star Wars
    Strawberry Shortcake
    Smart Girls Playhouse

    I know my 4 year old son loves Mario Kart. Lego Star Wars is his other favorite. That has a lot to do with how much he likes the films also. So if your child isn't familiar with the movies, or doesn't care for them, it would make a big difference of course.

    Based on my own daughters - I would also recommend Animal Crossing. Now this involves reading, but that's not bad. It's really going to encourage and motivate her so that she can play. The ideas are pretty much what you get with the whole webkinz rage - and I know my 6 year old and 7 year old girls are totally into that. There so many more ds titles she would probably really enjoy it isn't even funny. Barbie stuff, Disney Princess stuff, etc.

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    1. Re:Some Ideas by xtracto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would also recommend Animal Crossing. Now this involves reading, but that's not bad. It's really going to encourage and motivate her so that she can play.

      I agree completely with that!

      If the girl is 6 years old then I guess she should be learning to read by now don't you think so?? In any case, I completely recommend to use the games to encourage them to learn to read. I am really glad my first language is not English because when I was a kid (around the the Atari/NES times) playing RPGs like Final Fantasy , Dragon Warrior and Ultima made me want to learn English (even having a dictionary at my side when I played). There was also another game which name I do not remember, it was a Tiny Toons (or Looney Toons) game in which you had to create a "film" and it even had the text clouds with some dialogues.

      I have always thought games are the *best* way to teach kids (it is the natural way of learning, not only for humans but for every species!) from learning to talk to learning AI algorithms (programming intelligent software mini robots that fight against each other )

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    2. Re:Some Ideas by oakbox · · Score: 1

      My son likes(d) Super Mario Brothers and Cars. Pokemon is a complete nightmare if your child cannot read well.

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    3. Re:Some Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me and my kids (3 and 6) are currently playing Mario Party DS a lot over wireless, great fun!
      Other fave games of theirs are Mario Kart DS, New Super Mario Bros. and Lego Star Wars II (not the first one, that is a crappy game)

    4. Re:Some Ideas by ghostlibrary · · Score: 1

      Hi,

      I'd add 'Mario 64' to the list... it's 'reading light' so it was motivating for my 6-year old. He wanted to read the little 2-4 word "what to solve on this level" titles, and the flavor text before the boss battles. So it required minimal reading to play, but had enough reading from time to time to motivate him that, yes, reading is useful.

      Others he likes (as a pre-reader) are Yoshi Island, Yoshi Touch-N-Go, Scooby Doo Unmasked, and Mario Kart.

      But be careful with that last one, child predators may use Mario Kart to prey on your child, as per an ABC report... well, okay, read a slightly more sane take on it at
      http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/02/nintendo_ds_hurting_children.php for details.

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    5. Re:Some Ideas by dr2chase · · Score: 1

      Ditto that. Years ago my two boys got given (older) Gameboy + Pokemon and (younger) an Educational Toy. The ET was clearly understood to be no fun, younger son, who could not read at the time, later got a Gameboy + Pokemon, got very frustrated for a while.

      As soon as a kid can read, Pokemon, at least the old Red/Blue versions, is a fine game, vastly superior to the TV show, movies, and card games.

      Super Mario Brothers is pretty good fun.

      Also, younger son was not reading at the beginning of 2nd grade, which had everyone rather concerned. Not too long after that he was reading the NY Times pretty regularly, and comprehending (he's a big fan of Paul Krugman).

    6. Re:Some Ideas by aeSentinel · · Score: 1

      I'd avoid Lego Star Wars on the DS myself. It's quite buggy, and gets very frustrating after a while. I've played all those, bar the last two, and they're great games. I'd also recommend Animal Crossing, and she'd probably enjoy Cooking Mama too. And don't forget Mario Kart, everybody loves Mario.

    7. Re:Some Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've played Yoshi's Island and I was kinda disappointed. Probably a 6 year old won't have as high expectations as me, but there are better choices nonetheless IMHO. The game has nice graphics and sound, solid mechanics, but the level design has parts that are more frustrating than challenging.

      I would strongly recommend New Super Mario Brothers and Mario Kart DS, very easy to play, with high replay ability. Easy to play, as in "easy to learn, hard to master". You can also take a look into Meteos for a very interesting puzzle/dropping blocks game. On the plus side, those games are very fun and challenging even for adults.

    8. Re:Some Ideas by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Does she have any interest in Pokemon? If she doesn't, she still might like the games.

      Pokemon Diamond and Pokemon Pearl have some reading (just don't stick to non-reading games), require some money management, some puzzle solving, and are fun.

      Besides, maybe she'll start insisting on getting and reading the strategy guides. My son's teachers liked to push this "reading for content" business long after he was studying the strategy guides.

      You want it to be fun, but fun with incidental educational aspects is even better.

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    9. Re:Some Ideas by McFadden · · Score: 1

      I know my 4 year old son loves Mario Kart. Lego Star Wars is his other favorite. That has a lot to do with how much *I* like the films also
      There... fixed that for ya.
    10. Re:Some Ideas by bateleur · · Score: 1

      If the girl is 6 years old then I guess she should be learning to read by now don't you think so?

      And indeed the post says she is beginning to read. The process of learning takes a while. Certainly games will provide motivation, but in my experience (I have two six year olds myself) kids do not lack motivation to read anyway.

      If you give a child a game where the language comprehension needed is beyond them their experience with it will be frustrating. The first thing that will happen is that they won't want to play it unless you're helping (which will be seldom unless you're a parent with an unusual amount of free time). On top of that - and more seriously - they may start to associate the need to read things with frustration and unhappiness. This is bad. A child's early experience of reading should be as positive as possible.

      I agree with you that games are a great way to teach kids, but I think the first part of that is choosing the right games. And I think the original post is right that avoiding inaccessible language is an important part of that.

    11. Re:Some Ideas by DirtyHarry · · Score: 1

      You let your 4 year old son watch Star Wars movies?

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    12. Re:Some Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend Big Brain Academy. I have it for the Wii, and my daughter enjoys it. It is a game that forces thinking, but reading is only needed to read the instructions for most games.

      http://www.gamespot.com/ds/puzzle/gentlebrainexercises/

      I don't think that using a pda-sized device is any good at teaching a young person reading skills. My daughter is only 4, and is only beginning to recognize all the letters, but she exhibited interest when she was 2, calling out the large capitals as I was reading her a story. You should hone this interest, and build on it by playing with her, spending time together, using books. I also had a great toy when I was younger, The Little Professor. That kind of functionality could be very good for a child, but I am not aware of any that is available. http://www.datamath.org/Edu/Professor-76.htm

    13. Re:Some Ideas by thayfen · · Score: 1

      My doughter started with "Mario Kart" at age 4. She and hser siblings would network 'em...we have 4 DS', but then she progressed to "Zelda" and "Mario Party" on the game cube--she realized that those letters meant something, that the sentences gave her info to make the game more fun! She was reading at the first grade in Kindergarde, she's in 1st. grade now, but she reads at the 3rd. grade level. (The school-staff loves her!)

      Purhaps you should get her a mix of thos age-specific games, and a few games where she'd HAVE to read--most games are pretty intuative anyway. It's not like the thing is plugged directly into her brain--No overload possible, it shouldn't hurt her. Besides, girls develop on different tracks than boys--they gain communication skills before boys do.

    14. Re:Some Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know my 4 year old son loves Mario Kart. Lego Star Wars is his other favorite. That has a lot to do with how much he likes the films also. He saw the star wars films at 4 years old? Egads man start saving for the psychotherapy now...
  2. Colors! by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get the R4 adapter and a microSD card, and put Colors! on it. Look what others have made.

    1. Re:Colors! by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Not only that but you can buy all the games that stoolpigeon recommended and then put them on the R4 so you never have to worry about your daughter losing any of her games. But maybe she's more responsible than a 23 year old "adult" and she won't have that problem (if anyone sees my Mario Kart, let me know).

    2. Re:Colors! by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      That is awesome.

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    3. Re:Colors! by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      I have two seven-year-olds, one boy and one girl, and they're constantly borrowing my DS to play games. They like Mario Kart DS a lot.

      I bought Datel's Games 'N' Music; it's similar to the R4, is easy to find at Walmart and Best Buy, but is generally held in low esteem by the homebrew community. That said, all of the homebrew works with it, although I haven't found anything the kids want to keep playing.

      There are DS demo download stations installed in game stores and airports across the country, and many of these demos have been captured by the community for play on homebrew cards. Both of my twins are fond of the demo for Clubhouse Games, my son is in love with True Swing Golf, and my daughter was fond of Elite Beat Agents but tired of having just one scenario. All three are now planned as Christmas presents.

      BTW, I'd like to recommend Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons. The advertising hype seems true. I know someone who adopted a child with fetal alcohol syndrome who swore by the book after giving up on the public schools, so I got it for my kids and it's worked great. There's also video and audio tapes, flashcards, etc, but I've never felt the need to use them; the book and a willingness to spend time with your child is really all that you need.

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    4. Re:Colors! by GweeDo · · Score: 1

      I can not recommend this enough. My 22 month old daughter loves Colors (and the R4 lets me do some homebrew too!). Here is a little pic of her playing with colors:
      picture

    5. Re:Colors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other cool part... go to dsroms.com and never buy another game again.

      the R4 plays all pirated roms and a 2gb card holds a crapload.

    6. Re:Colors! by spamking · · Score: 1

      Sweet!

      Thanks for the recommendation. Any other homebrew-type games out there that kids might like?

      My 6 year-old loves Mario Kart . . .

  3. Ummmm by inSpecter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is 6 and cannot read? I would focus on that part first before letting her play games.

    1. Re:Ummmm by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      Every kid is different, and I wouldn't be too quick to jump to any conclusions without more information. Plus - she may be working super hard on learning to read, but she is still going to need some down time and fun. The DS can be a great motivator for the reading and even a nice supplement if she moves on to playing games with some text.

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    2. Re:Ummmm by MBCook · · Score: 1

      See, that's why a game like Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga is good. If she can get into it (she's a little young for the amount of text, I think) it has a fair amount of text so she reads it and gets practice reading, but isn't thinking about that, she's just playing a game.

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    3. Re:Ummmm by nido · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm 26 and never really learned to read myself.

      Kids learn to read anywhere between the ages of 2 and 9. My mother taught herself to read when she was 5 years old - her parents had decided that a caretaker was cheaper than kindergarten, and mom was extremely bored. Motivation is what counts, mostly. By trying to force all kids to read at age 5, the system hurts children who won't want to learn to read until later.

      I do okay with non-fiction, but my "imagination" functionality is totally disabled. Almost got it figured out...

      Read the comment & follow-ups linked above for more on how I figured out that I can't really read.

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    4. Re:Ummmm by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      You do realize she could just be an elderly first-grader with a birthday late in the calendar year (and therefore early in the school year)?

    5. Re:Ummmm by duckwaltz · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with inSpecter on this one. You should make sure your child can read before letting her rot her brain with video games.

    6. Re:Ummmm by crossmr · · Score: 1

      anyone I know learned to read before the first grade.

    7. Re:Ummmm by sqrt(2) · · Score: 1

      Trying to understand your particular deficiency is almost like getting a blind from birth person to understand the concept of colors. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it. Being able to visualize concepts from words is such an automatic and common mechanism that I can't understand what it's like to live without it. I never read fiction on my own until high school when I discovered sci-fi and Tom Clancy. I think I read all the Heinlein books at the library starting with Starship Troopers. Vonnegut is another favorite author of mine. But my tastes and preferences I think had already been cemented BEFORE I started reading fiction. I learned to read with books my dad gave me. He was in the US Navy and loved aviation, helicopters specifically. My favorite book was a thick, hard cover technical reference of all the different helicopters used by the world's militaries. Reading about how the weapons systems were designed to defeat the armor of Soviet tanks made me curious about military technology which lead to history, politics and different government types. And remember, this was a 6-7 year old!

      So I was this pedantic kid learning all this completely useless technical knowledge about helicopters and missiles and the cold war and reading nearly no fiction, but when I got to high school and actually started reading novels on my own I was still able to enjoy them without having the problem you had of not being able to make pictures in my mind. So while it's probably a good idea to give kids exposure to a wide range of reading materials, the relatively narrow selection of books I had didn't seem to do any harm to my development.

      Best of luck to you trying to improve your reading ability. I can't fathom how difficult it must be, but it is an admirable and worthwhile pursuit to be sure.

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    8. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people learn reading at the age of 6 at school. That you learned it earlier doesn't mean everybody else is late.

    9. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first schooling was in Kindergarten starting at age 5, but we didn't do much beyond learning the alphabet and a few words (A is for Apple, B is for Ball etc) we didn't start learning to read until first grade when I would have been 6-7 and I wasn't all that interested in it yet (hyper farm kid more interested in being outdoors) but did learn what was required but not more. I finally got into reading by about age 9 and then it really took off and I am an avid reader and did exceptionally well academically from then on. So I don't see the big deal about not reading at 6.

      My cousin on the other hand read at 3 and was writing short stories by 4, he never did continue on to do very well in the later grades though.

      I think there is a fairly broad range that is perfectly normal and not at all indicative of problems or greatness later in life.

    10. Re:Ummmm by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      but my "imagination" functionality is totally disabled.

      Because of this I would wager that you are one of the few people who's driving isn't effected by talking a cell phone. Personally, the visual centers of my brain tend to focus on the concepts I'm talking about, not on the information coming from my eyes, I walk into things when talking on the phone or thinking intently about something.

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    11. Re:Ummmm by MeltUp · · Score: 1

      That's quite sad. I'm hooked to reading and rarely watch movies. Don't even have a television these days. I've recently discovered (English) science fiction (not my native language), and I'm just devouring it all. (just finished "Speaker for the Dead")
      My reading is up to the level where my "imagination" functionality is in overdrive. I've never watched a movie adaptation that wasn't dull and boring compared to the book.
      To me the LotR movies where extremely dull and boring. I watched them in agony and boredom. (2 times I was so naive to thing the next one would be better)

      Now, the weird thing is, I don't have any visual imagination. My imagination takes on some other unseen form. Probably some other part of my brain that's involved, nothing visual. I honestly couldn't picture anything I read in LotR, but when I saw the movie, I did see it was horribly wrong. I didn't match my imagination, even though it isn't visual.
      Perhaps that's why I don't appreciate movies and television so much? Visuals aren't of interest to me.


      We had these tests in school where you had to read a text (not only in my native language, but later in the 2 other languages (French and English) I learned as well), and you had to answer questions about it later. I was always so surprised on how people could score less than 90% on these tests. I just couldn't understand they read that text without knowing it's contents. (I was so good at these tests, they actually kept me from failing French, which I speak very badly, but understand extremely well)

      The brain certainly is a strange beast...

      I wonder: how easily are you distracted while you read?
      I lose all sense of time and surroundings when I read. I ignore everything. Sometimes when I stop reading, I discover people have told me something while I was reading, to which I'm told I replied "yes" (without stopping to read off course). However, I usually only have an extremely vague memory of that happening...

      As a hint if you're looking to "learn to read": don't think this "reading imagination" HAS to be visual. In my case, it seems to take another form.

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    12. Re:Ummmm by rissapanix.com · · Score: 1

      I have read the other messages but for the life of me I can't figure out how you were able to achieve high grades in school unless your mind was extremely adept at making imaginary pictures while you were reading textbooks. As for federal (sic) schools -- what do you suggest instead? Private schools teach reading the same way public schools do (I went to private school for preschool, kindergarten and grade 1-6) plus I'll bet nearly everyone here went to one or the other and we managed to learn to read just fine.

    13. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe she has a condition (perhaps even undiagnosed) that causes her to struggle with reading. I struggled greatly with reading as a child. I have a lot of talents, but reading isn't one of them (and I do a lot of it in a day).

      The problem is that books are BORING. I can't blame the schools or my parents for not trying, but I just hate reading things that aren't interesting. We had to read countless fiction books in school for various literature classes. BORING. I don't know how many times I'd have to start over with a paragraph or page I just read because I couldn't remember what I just read. And what's with all the details?! I don't need a detailed description of the dew on the lawn that the main character is walking on. Get to the damn point.

      I've heard, "you just haven't been reading the right books" all of my life from people who like to read. I've tried different books and they are all just too boring. Movies get to the point, books drag on.

      I think I personally do a lot of reading in a day. I'm a developer, so I do a lot of research online in a given day. Whenever I don't know a concept or word, I always quickly look it up on Wikipedia or dictionary.com (I like to learn). I love politics and current events. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Slashdot, Digg, News.com, the local newspaper - I religiously check them every day and enjoy reading various political commentaries. I'd dare to say I read more than the average adult (the fake kind of reading, that is).

      But I know, that's not good enough. It's not "real" reading unless it's a 600 pages book about some cake-eater walking through the forest to some volcano.

      Pass. I'll take a book where I can learn a new technology over Harry Potter any day.

    14. Re:Ummmm by ketilwaa · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Some of the comments here are really elitist (and lacking in understanding of how normal this situation is), but then again, this IS /.

    15. Re:Ummmm by shalla · · Score: 1

      I guess my question would be if you can picture it or get it well enough if someone else reads it to you? Or do you not enjoy fiction in any form?

      I admit that this is somewhat of a foreign concept to me, as I'm so textually oriented that I read things unconsciously sometimes, but I do struggle to parse spoken words when I get really tired. (It's like my brain just shuts down and hears English like it's a foreign language and I have to concentrate to break it down into disparate words and then translate them into meaning.)

      So if I take my failings as a lesson... try reading when you're not tired or hungry or anything and when your concentration is going to be at its best, and if fiction doesn't appeal to you, then try some nonfiction with graphic scenes in it--something that might stimulate your imagination. Jon Krakauer's Into Thin Air, for example. Mostly, try and have fun, because it sounds like you're trying too hard with the fiction. Hell, I'm a librarian and there are certain types of fiction or certain authors that I have to force my way through because the language is just dead to me. (John Grisham does that to me.)

      I'd try reading nonfiction that you find exciting and try picturing it as you go along. You could try history (930-990s in Dewey Decimal), biographies, true crime (364.15ish), true adventure/survival (910s). Most of all, pick something that sounds good to you, not to anyone else. :)

    16. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Driving is rarely effected by talking on a cell phone. Crashing, on the other hand...

    17. Re:Ummmm by nido · · Score: 1
      I'm aware of how people have different primary representational modalities - most people fall under 'see', 'feel' and 'hear'.

      I'm mostly a visual myself ("Oh, I see what you're saying"), but due to a combination of factors of which I'm barely aware (fell & broke a rib when I was little, etc), my primary modality is at a mostly-unconcious level of perception. I found a reference to this as a "digital" representational system - I just sort of know that my car is white... I've said before it's like having a gnome look at the picture on my behalf, and report back (in words) what the answer to the question is. If that makes any sense.

      My problem with reading is that I have trouble keeping track of things. It's one thing to know my car is white, or to "read" a book where I've already seen a cinematic version (Star Wars/Star Trek - I know what a Star Destroyer looks like because I saw one once). But when the author is 'painting' the scene with his words, I can't make the leap.

      At least I figured out that I was missing out on something. If one is unaware of a problem, they don't know to fix it either. :)

      I don't have any visual imagination. One of my classic NLP books (Frogs Into Princes?) has a procedure for increasing one's access to their non-preferred representational system. You start by getting in touch with your favorite system, then gradually increasing the other modalities. If one is primarily kinesthetic (that is, they like to 'feel' things out), you have the subject really get in touch with the kinesthetics of an imaginary scene (field of grass, for example). Then you build in the other representational systems - the sound of wind blowing through the grass & other sounds, the light reflecting through a droplet of water, etc. Something like that.

      Win Wenger has some good techniques for getting pictures too. I tried most of them years ago, but my blockage with the internally-generated pictures/feelings/sounds stems from a nervous system imbalance. Don't know how that causes it, just that it's the problem. Long story, won't get into it tonight.

      Thanks for responding.
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    18. Re:Ummmm by nido · · Score: 1

      I have read the other messages but for the life of me I can't figure out how you were able to achieve high grades in school unless your mind was extremely adept at making imaginary pictures while you were reading textbooks. It took a number of years before I realized that my mental picture making process functioned mostly at an unconscious level of awareness. It's something like having a photo album full of pictures, but not being allowed to look at them - instead, there's a servant gnome that examines the relevant picture and reports 'digitally' (with words & such) about what is in the picture.

      I never read much of my textbooks. It was too difficult to keep track of everything, so I got enough of the lesson from lectures and spot-reading to feign an understanding of the material.

      As for federal (sic) schools -- what do you suggest instead? What I said ('Feral Government's schools') was stated as it was intentionally. While schools are supposedly run at a state/local level, the 'feral' Federal Government has a giant Department of Education that does a lot of meddling.

      Anyways, John Holt and John Gatto, both award-winning schoolteachers, eventually gave up on trying to fix government schools. One of Holt's last books was Teach Your Own. Gatto had some good suggestions for current teachers in A Different Kind of Teacher, and in his other books too. Search for "seven lesson schoolteacher" for a succinct analysis of how the system fails.

      The main problem with factory 'education' is that it's something done 'to' a child. It would be much more effective and efficient if the child was enlisted as an agent in their own learning experiences - primarily by letting the learner decide what and when they want to learn a given lesson.

      Thanks for responding.
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    19. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would suggest that many of the folks suggesting that the six year old should learn to read before the poster purchases her a DS are probably not parents themselves. If they were, they would understand that children reach certain milestones at different times - not everyone learns to read by age whatever. In fact, in many (mostly Scandinavian) countries, children don't even start school until seven - and to be very fair these countries generally rank higher than the US for quality of education systems, including reading abilities of primary school children.

      Most parents understand that having your kid reach a particular milestone (potty training, reading, writing their name, etc) at a particular age is far less important than ensuring the kids are happy and healthy, and brought up in a loving and supportive environment. Buying a DS is no problem in my mind, as long as it is in this context.

    20. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've recently discovered (English) science fiction (not my native language), and I'm just devouring it all. (just finished "Speaker for the Dead")
      Time to quit that series. It doesn't hold up.
    21. Re:Ummmm by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's your problem. I used to have a very vivid visualization ability, but I lost it as I grew older. It never stopped me from understanding fiction, although I never really keep track of the appearance of characters (unless the idea of the description is sufficiently striking, but even then I don't remember a visualization). Maybe I still have a slight amount that helps, but my understanding of the written word is rarely tied to any simulated sensation.

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    22. Re:Ummmm by zstlaw · · Score: 1

      I read you earlier comment and I am not sure why you feel you "do not read". Could you elaborate on what questions the professor asked to determine if you really read the book? I am guessing that it might have been the protagonist's clothes or hair color or some other sundry fact that I am not sure why you SHOULD know.

      I can not tell you what my boss is wearing and I just spoke to him. Nor could I tell you what someone in a movie wore because it was an irrelevant fact. Why should a book be any different to me?

      Now if it was a detail important to the story that is one thing, but I ignore pages of descriptive prose if they don't matter to the story. I glance at the page, decide what the author was doing and skip over words until I see something interesting and relevant. I still "read" all the words of the page, I just don't bother picturing them.

      And yet I strongly disagree with the premise that I do not read the book. I could memorize the entire chapter in a couple days, but I have no reason to do so. Let me put it another way, I don't care what color pants you have on and if you wrote down the color I would be no more likely to care.

      Likewise, when I dream I do not imagine someone's hair color or skin tone unless it becomes important. I just rarely visualize that type of detail. I just dream in abstract terms with detail only provided to my level of interest.

      Excerpt from an sample dream:
      Mind: So after your concert you run into this gorgeous woman who loves you music.
      Me: Why is she pretty?)
      Mind: Well she has long blond hair and is dressed well in futuristic looking clothe...
      Me: (distracted) Oh, cool. I bet she is an alien and we could make love in her space capsule.
      Mind: Oh, um... (Mind sighs as pages of prepared materials are wasted) While orbiting the moon in a luxury space yacht you are making out with a beautiful alien with blond hair...

      I tend to get frustrated with authors that add so much visual detail that the book drags like a 10 ton wagon. Extreme visual detail was useful in the days before pictures, but these days I am dubious why I should care that the lead protagonist likes mauve. Unless it is important to the story, many facts are better left unsaid in my opinion. My imagination enjoys providing its own details and I enjoy authors who realize that fact. Steven Erikson is an example of a fantasy author whom wastes very little time on irrelevant detail but has a huge fantasy world with very complex political situations. He just doesn't bother describing a scene or person beyond where your imagination could pick up the details and then he concentrates on more important story related details and lets my imagination take care of the sundry facts less central to the story.

      Please respond. I am curious if the "reading test" covered something important to the story or if the test involved a item of topical importance that would be ignored even if I was there in person.

    23. Re:Ummmm by zstlaw · · Score: 1

      In the time it took me to write my overly-long reply you already answered my question. It sounds like you really do have a problem changing words into images. I am fascinated with your predicament and wish you the best of luck in overcoming this difficulty!

      I just assumed that you were non-visual like myself and that some professor had convinced you that you could not read despite your obvious comprehension of the written language.

      Heck, you can even read my replies and even my teachers had difficulty in reading things I wrote! *grin*

    24. Re:Ummmm by nido · · Score: 1

      The only kind of fiction that I can currently read are books based on a movie - Star Trek & Star Wars, mostly. This way some of the visuals have already been supplied by the motion picture makers.

      During my last year of high school I obtained a copy of Win Wenger's The Einstein Factor, which discusses the use of "mental imagery" for creative problem solving. I was fascinated because I'd never had an experience with this fabled "mental" sort of imagery, whether the 'image' was visual, kinesthetic, auditory, gustatory or olfactory in nature. But I did remember having a dream once or thrice many years before, and I figured 'dream imagery' was similar to the "mental imagery" Dr. Wenger was talking about in his book.

      After a few years of trying to get a mental picture, I figured that it's not so much that I don't get imagery, it's just that it's locked at an unconscious level of awareness. To make an analogy, it's as if I have a 'gnome' that examines the pictures for me, and reports back verbally ('digitally') what the contents thereof are. I did get the occasional flash of conscious imagery in those early years - it was as if I was the seeker looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and I'd find the occasional gold nugget scattered on whatever trail I was hiking on. The occasional flashes stopped once I figured out the physical condition that prevents imagery formation and the resolution thereto. To conclude the analogy, figuring things out was as if I stopped looking for the pot of gold and started panning in the nearby creek.

      I've got my 'predicament' mostly figured out, so I mainly post to help others who might be in a similar situation realize that they're missing out, or to help a librarian/teacher like yourself realize yet another reason why someone they're working with might have trouble with the written word.

      Thanks for responding, and have a nice day. :)

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    25. Re:Ummmm by nido · · Score: 1

      Yes, I wondered myself for a long time if my preferred modality was something other than visual. But I didn't get any imagery of any sort, and finally figured it out. Nine years has left a lot of ground to cover, so I'm glad that I was able to give enough of the details (over the course of several posts) to allow you to get a handle on my particular situation.

      I just posted another reply in this thread - you might find something else there.

      The inability to visualize is related to/caused by a chronic autonomic nervous system imbalance.

      Thanks for posting, and have a nice day. :)

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    26. Re:Ummmm by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Wow. That's really interesting. Scary, in a way, but interesting.

      You mentioned that you've scanned pages of books, but never really made the mental pictures. Have you tried going the other direction? Can you imagine things (picture a cat on your bathroom sink, or sliding down a slide at a schoolyard, etc)? (I don't even know if that's the right question to ask, even.) Have you tried composing anecdotes?

      It seems that going from a diary-like "this is what happened" to a "this is what almost happened" to "this is what might have happened" to "It'd be interesting if this happened" is a series of transitions that might be easier to handle.

      Now to read more on the kuro5hin article you linked. :)

    27. Re:Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned to read by playing video games and using computer. I also learned to speak English through video games (it's not my first language.) I don't really know why you think that playing video games is bad for your brain.

  4. Does she like Princesses? by Abjuk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Disney Princess: Magical Jewels is another good one, if she's in to the whole Princess craze.

  5. Here's one! by Gigiya · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Here's one! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I think the kid might have an easier reading the paper instead of doing the crosswords. :P

    2. Re:Here's one! by Ima+Teechur · · Score: 1

      I am a big fan of the New York Times Crossword Puzzle game. In fact, I'm wishing there were a NYTCP II as I play it with my hubby all the time (wifi with one game cartridge). However, as a teacher, I'm afraid I can't recommend this game for a first grader. The vocabulary and instructions are way too complex, and it would end up frustrating for the child. However, once you feel she is reading a bit more, get it for yourself, and beam it to her so she can try to play along. But alone, no. Sorry. One of my third graders plays Brain Age 2. While he scores rather low, he still gets a good feeling of success from it. It does not, however, focus much on reading skills. It is mostly mathematical reasoning. But it's still do-able for an 8 or 9 year old. The reading should be coming soon. Then she'll be able to make more logical choices on games.

  6. reading by digitalderbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DS games that don't require reading skill

    Why not make this a good opportunity to teach her how to read -- you're never too young to learn. If she encounters something she can't read, read it for her, or you can sit next to her as she plays the game. It's a great way to get kids to read without making them feel like it's a chore. The animation of the scenarios can help her understand what she's reading too.

    To answer your question, I believe the new Super Mario would be a good choice.
    1. Re:reading by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      You're never too young to learn on your DS either. Taco seems to think it'd be funny if she scored a good brain age, but why the heck not let her try? All of us grew up seeing Game Boys and Nintendos as basically toys. It'd be great if the next generation saw them as learning devices along with entertainment devices.

    2. Re:reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh! My kid was playing Worms online when he was 8 or so.

      Boy did he learn some new words!

    3. Re:reading by kronnek · · Score: 0

      If she encounters something she can't read, read it for her, or you can sit next to her as she plays the game. There is the crux of the situation. Both my sister and I were both earlier readers compared to other children and this is where the DS is a problem. You have to spend time with your children reading and sounding out word parts with them. Parents have to make time to read with their children, everyday. If you give your child the DS and they start learning words just by memorization to get through whatever level, a la hooked on phonics, they will suffer later in life with reading comprehension. Books are cheaper or free in some cases. Plus, you don't have to buy batteries for them. :)
    4. Re:reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Books are cheaper or free in some cases. Plus, you don't have to buy batteries for them. :)

      The DS has a built-in rechargeable battery, so that's not a very compelling argument compared to your other points :-)

    5. Re:reading by homerjaythompson · · Score: 1

      It is an excellent opportunity to learn to read ! I learned reading and speaking english (i'm french native speaking) by playing Final Fantasy 1 on nes !

    6. Re:reading by ketilwaa · · Score: 1

      If [...] they start learning words just by memorization to get through whatever level, a la hooked on phonics, they will suffer later in life with reading comprehension.

      Just out of curiosity, do you have much research backing this up?
    7. Re:reading by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Good lord, I'd hate to know what kind of English you learned from a bunch of Japanese folks with Japanese->English dictionaries! :-)

      Classic example: You spoony bard!

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    8. Re:reading by Hansinator · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend that too, because i learned reading by playing maniac mansion on my good old C64, before i went to school.

    9. Re:Reading by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Above it says "only beginning to read" which could just mean that anything with a lot of text is difficult.

    10. Re:reading by kronnek · · Score: 0

      Not right of hand, no. Don't have the time to spend to go looking the crap up in my filing cabinets. So, I restate that the above statement is true with no research to back it up because I'm lazy. It's out there if you look for it. There were also rulings against companies by the FTC for false advertising and promises not fulfilled which resulted in several monetary rewards. Again, not going to back up with references, you can find it if you want. Just search for hooked on phonics and FTC .. Shouldn't take too long.

    11. Re:reading by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      All of us grew up seeing Game Boys and Nintendos as basically toys.

      Not necessarily. Some of us grew up with discarded clock radios and old phonographs and tape recorders as toys. Then later as a young adult I lusted after things like 8080 and 6800 processors that I couldn't afford on less than $4/hour dishwasher's wages.

      Then some years later all the brats started getting whole computers that they just used to play little games on...

    12. Re:reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taco seems to think it'd be funny if she scored a good brain age

      Taco, let's be fair, is a fuckwit. I don't think we can give too much credence to his "witticism" here.

  7. Wouldn't it be creepy? Sure it would.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Wouldn't it be creepy if the kid had a really good brain age?

    If she is six and cannot read then I doubt it....

  8. Lego Star Wars on DS--meh. by Soulfader · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but Lego Star Wars on the DS--well, Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy, at least--is a mediocre game at best. Bad camera angles, unresponsive controls, and a few levels (Endor, especially) with chronic slowdowns that make it virtually unplayable. It's a shame because the game is so good on many other platforms; even the Game Boy Advance version, while much simplified, is more fun to play.

    Of the games my wife and I have, Club House Games is probably the only one (aside from the excellent MarioKart) that I would recommend for younger players. There are lots of advanced card and board games, but also quite a few simpler ones (Memory, Aggravation, Go Fish, Old Maid, Uno, Checkers, Shake the bottle) which most anyone could play. Single card multiplayer is available for pretty much all of them if playing with others is a consideration.

    1. Re:Lego Star Wars on DS--meh. by CommanderData · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, the original trilogy was complete crap. Buggy nearly to the point of being unplayable. The new Lego Star Wars - Complete Saga for the DS was done from scratch by another developer and is much better. I can also throw in a hearty recommendation for Clubhouse games!

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    2. Re:Lego Star Wars on DS--meh. by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Funny

      She's only beginning to read
      Good to hear.

      My daughter just got a DS from the grandparents for her 6th birthday.
      Well, that should put an end to it.
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    3. Re:Lego Star Wars on DS--meh. by NEOtaku17 · · Score: 1

      I am most likely not a normal case but I learned to read playing RPGs on the NES.

    4. Re:Lego Star Wars on DS--meh. by jinxidoru · · Score: 1

      I have a friend from Uruguay who learned to speak English from playing video games, mostly role-playing games.

  9. Age 6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm, I have a few friends with a 2-1/2 and 3 year olds. They're already starting to teach their kids to read. You may want to focus on that instead of giving her games. Buy her some books. Let her play the DS after spending 30-60 minutes of time a day working on reading.

    1. Re:Age 6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FFS. You probably didn't mean it this way, but your post came off as kinda "She's six and not reading? Whip out the text books! Get her working!"

      She's six. Work isn't fun, play is. If you want her to read, play reading games with her. Like when you're spending time with her, make it fun to read the words around you. Some people have suggested games that involve reading, you could get those and play with her. Or, the best option, read books to her. Show her that you enjoy reading, that she can enjoy reading, etc.

      Think of her like a tiny Lion cub. She's not going to learn to disembowel her prey through a careful study of hind-claw management. She's going to play until she learns how to kill. In this case, books.

      You could also teach her disembowelment, I suppose. Totally up to you.

      On a more serious note, making a child spend 30-60 minutes a day on reading before giving them a reward is likely to teach them to hate reading. Don't do it.

      And if any of you have kids in the 2.5 - 3 year range, and want them to read, I'd caution you that there are skills in which delayed presentation gives the child more time to develop the precursors necessary for that skill. I beleive reading is one of them, and that a child of 6 who has been using the time to develop (again, through play) can ultimately be a better reader than the child of 3 who was pushed to read.

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    2. Re:Age 6? by Sibko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let her play the DS after spending 30-60 minutes of time a day working on reading. No, do not do this. Reading should never be related to work. She should not be 'forced' to read for an hour if she wants to play her games. That turns reading into a chore, and she won't want to do it.
    3. Re:Age 6? by Reinsarn · · Score: 1

      I was an early reader, and most of my programmer buddies were late readers. We're all gamers, college-level readers and writers, and we do most of our reading online nowadays.
      We just tried out Colors! and Phidias; both are excellent drawing applications for the DS. I also enjoy some of the Cartoon Network games for DS, though most of those require some degree of reading to enjoy the plot. You might be able to tempt a kid into reading more by helping them read the text of some games.
      That said:
      If reading is a chore instead of a pleasure, a young reader may have already tried a few books and found them not to his or her liking. The trick is to find a genre of books the child will enjoy, and let the tykes gorge themselves on books. (Hey, it beats gorging on fast food!) If reading about favorite topics doesn't interest the kid, try reading with them: fantasy, science fiction, and child-friendly biographies of amazing people are a good bet.
      In the event that none of these approaches work, have your child tested for dyslexia.
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    4. Re:Age 6? by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, but the millions of people in prison and the tens of millions of fat asses who do nothing but watch TV and stuff their faces with McDonald's should be proof that this method of teaching is a failure. We've had 40 years of liberals telling us "we have to make education fun!" and we created a generation of idiots.

      Life IS work. The easy life of post-WWII American is over. Parents must teach their children discipline and fortitude. They must be hardened to the reality that the world is difficult and that only with appropriate discipline can one hope to succeed.

      You must push children as to the basics of life. Even the baby bird does not want to learn to fly. It is the way of things.

    5. Re:Age 6? by rothbart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a parent of a 6 yr old girl myself that is a great "phonetic" speller and budding reader, I think a lot of you are COMPLETELY overreacting over this. My daughter is very close to reading... she can read age appropriate books. Actually "read", not memorize. But honestly, when you're 6, reading is a bit of a chore and it's not hard to understand it might be "fun" to actually have some ENTERTAINMENT in addition to the total-stranger-advocated-reading-tutorials some of you seem to be pushing. Remember, this guy is already asking about things that might be appropriate for his daughter... To me (another parent), it seems he's someone that already "gives a damn" about his child and her upbringing... I think it's a bit much to assume he's asking for a videogame babysitter to occupy his illiterate child.

      I came to this thread because _I_ just picked up a DS for _my_ 6 yr old daughter and was hoping for more constructive discussion instead of people focusing on his daughter learning to read... my guess is most of you don't have kids, think your friends' kids make you qualified to speak, or have long-since blurred the ability/age connection associated with your kids at that age... 6 yrs old and not being a fluent reader is TOTALLY normal... visit your kid's school for an afternoon if you need a wake-up call. Not to mention that a majority of the games geared at that age group are total garbage.

      Thank you for those of you that suggested games... to those that made "teach your daughter to read" comments, parent your OWN children.

    6. Re:Age 6? by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      6 is a totally normal age to start reading. If kids start reading naturally at 2-3 years old, that's great. But most aren't, and parents who try and push their kids into this kind of thing before they're ready really piss me off. I love the suggestion above of giving her a more reading-intensive game like Animal Crossing - that's the kind of motivation she needs, not seeing reading as a chore to get over with so she can get on to fun stuff.

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    7. Re:Age 6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My son is 6, he could read since he was 5 (fluent). Just asked for a DS, we made it clear that Game time == TV time. So it's just one pool of time he can use to play video games( while we were on it we also bought a Wii), computer games ( he has his own Notebook), or watch TV.
      He can read when ever he wants to, which he does sometimes even if it's TV time.

    8. Re:Age 6? by KyleTheDarkOne · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a comment of a person who has settled for living to survive. If you never try to incorporate fun into work then yes the baby bird won't want to fly, but if you show that baby bird the beautiful world and make the bird want to fly then the bird will decide to continue flying.

    9. Re:Age 6? by bitt3n · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reading should never be related to work. She should not be 'forced' to read for an hour if she wants to play her games.
      Why don't you force her to play with the DS for an hour before you let her read a book. Maybe you can fool her into literacy.
    10. Re:Age 6? by Zzeep · · Score: 1

      I know people who let their kids work in a sweatshop for 4 hours a day...
      Just because people do it, that doesn't make it good.

      Some kids are ready to read at age 6, some aren't. Simple as that. Saying it is important that they should be able to read at age 6 is nonsense. Yes, it is time to start learning how to read. But learning how to read is absolutely not the same as being able to read.

    11. Re:Age 6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hm.

      I read for pleasure. When I was a kid, though, my father would try to force me to. At times he'd even hit me if I didn't read. I have to agree with the grandparent here that this is not the way to go. For years I thought of reading as something bad. In school, I was always the kid who didn't do the reading, and it led me to have horrible grades. The fact that I suggest a causal link between these two facts isn't just some "liberal whining" (as you might put it based on your post); these things have real implications in psychology. There's a reason why if you beat someone they will have an aversion towards something.

      Ironically, it wasn't until I got away from school that I really started to like reading. I don't think that this was because my father insistent upon it. These are actually my least fond memories from childhood. It was more intellectual curiosity that got me reading.

      If your child has intellectual curiosity, eventually, they will want to read. For people with a thirst for information, there is only so much they can get without reading. Yes, you are right to say that life has many necessary things that are a chore. Life isn't easy. Work is necessary. These are life lessons that people eventually learn. That doesn't mean it has to be tied in with learning to read. We are after all talking about children 6 and under here. At this age, a child needs nourishment. With your sort of attitude, it sounds almost as if you'd rather physically beat them into shape so they learn about suffering and pain. (I've known people that do think this way. When they talk about raising children, they usually sound like you.)

      The fact that you would turn this into something political (mention of "liberals", etc.) puts me off even further, frankly.

    12. Re:Age 6? by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1

      No, this is the comment of a person who has traveled the world and see how the billions of people outside American and Europe live. This is also the comment of an older and wiser person who group up with liberalism but is now a father himself. I once had your kind of view, but trust me - if you have any loyalty to someone other than yourself or feel a duty to contribute to the future by having children, you'll find that having fun is very often a secondary concern to taking care of the people you love.

  10. Interactive Storybook DS by basscomm · · Score: 1

    You might give the Interactive Storybook DS series a look.

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  11. She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised that she's only beginning to read at age 6. Myself and most of my friends were reading Hardy Boys books at that age. My son just turned 3 now, and he's quite able to read Berenstein Bears and similar books by himself. My nephew is 5, and he just finished his first Goosebumps book.

    It's too late to rectify the situation now, but your daughter probably should have started to read when she was two or three years old. By the time she's six, she should be quite able to read newspapers, magazines, and novels the size of the Hardy Boys books.

    You should get her involved in a local library group for children, where they read actual books. Some of these programs reward children for the more books that they read, which provides the incentive necessary for some children. Of course, many children just end up reading because they enjoy it.

    1. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't worry about the girl -- some people just let their children wait until school to learn to read. I learned to read in first grade at age 5, but today I'm minimizing... let's see... ah: "The Design and Implementation of Typed Scheme" to post on Slashdot.

    2. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoa there, way to make someone feel bad.

      When you start to read has very little relation to reading ability later, my son didn't really learn till 6, he was quite late compared to some in his class, now he's ahead of them, a whole 2 years later.

    3. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      At six years old, I was probably still drawing crayon pictures in the family encyclopedia set that no one uses. However, by the eighth grade, my reading skills was college level. I would recommend giving the kid crayons and an encyclopedia set instead of a DS and games. :)

    4. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoa there, way to make someone feel bad.
      Only if someone tells her what it says....
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    5. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Orange+Crush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trick isn't getting a kid to read as early as possible, it's getting them to *want* to learn to read and continue reading. What did it for me was when my parents finally bought a computer. I was 5 or 6, IIRC. Back in the DOS days it was awfully difficult to get around unless you could read. I was determined to learn to read so I could play with it. I've been a voracious reader ever sense. And I beat Mickey's Space Adventure before my older sister did and bragged like hell about it for months. (Yeah, I was a bit of a little twerp that way. ;D).

      Get the kid as many good games with lots of text as possible. Buy her any book she wants and keep encouraging her to read to her heart's content. Don't get pushy. You don't want her to equate reading with "you're not leaving this table until you eat those brussel sprouts!" If she learns to love reading, she'll have a much easier time in school and might just grow up to be smart enough to take good care of you when you're old and senile. ;)

    6. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These days reading isn't the only way to learn. The use and manipulation of different GUIs might as important 20 years from now as reading text. That said, early childhood education is very important, while the brain is growing and forming it's most basic pathways it's an educational advantage if "how to learn" is being hardwired in. The difference is most noticeable in children where given little interaction at as babies/infants. They (statistically)never are able to absorb new concepts or information as quickly.

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    7. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by madprof · · Score: 1

      But just think how much better you could have been had you learned to read earlier. You might know a few extra languages by now. ;)

    8. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by rissapanix.com · · Score: 1

      Hardy Boys at age 6? Is that all? I myself read "War and Peace" at age 5.

    9. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by bornwaysouth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ee Lad, tha were luxury. When I were still 3, da would belt me if I hadn't read another volume of t' Encyclopedia Britannica before breakfast. Then it were down into Yorkshire coal mines as usual.

      Life were good compared to my younger sister. As 10 week embryo, she had to read t' engravings on t' needle used to check out if she had genetic deformities such as leanings toward Lancaster.

    10. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself and most of my friends were reading Hardy Boys books at that age.

      And, of course you ended up on /. Whoop-di-doo and congrats! There's no problem with kids not being able to read before they start school, regardless of what you or your friends did.
    11. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you people actually worried if 6 year old does not read? Very few finns learn to read before that age and it does not seem to matter that much.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

    12. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 1

      However, by the eighth grade, my reading skills was college level.
      Things have down hill ever since, haven't they?
    13. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah... I can read a book by looking at the cover instead of opening it. ;)

    14. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      These days reading isn't the only way to learn.

      True, you could have someone read everything to you. Most people just don't have the luxury of a full time personal servant at the age of 6.

      Classrooms will teach so much, and then you need to do a lot yourself, even at the age of 6/5/4.

      It sounds to me like this child has been given a poor start in life. Help her and she can catch up and pass where she should be by now. Some work on the part of her parents and she will be fine.

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    15. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are rather funny. If I had mod points they'd be all for you!

    16. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      Most people just don't have the luxury of a full time personal servant at the age of 6.

      Most people don't have Mothers? Oh, you mean most mothers can't or just don't spend enough time interacting with their children. By age 6 it's way too late, most of the foundations have already been made. You can't just strap the kid into a stroller and sit them in front of Barney or even Baby Einstein and think that they will just catch up when they get to preschool. Babies learn through human interaction, go rediscover the world with your 0-3 year old. The more interaction they have as a baby, the faster and more easily your child will learn for the rest of their lives. Televisions, video games and inattentive nannies/day-care are not the same.

      By age 6, you are right Gonoff, a child should be learning partly on their own.

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      We are all just people.
    17. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by louisadkins · · Score: 1

      The more interaction they have as a baby, the faster and more easily your child will learn for the rest of their lives.
      I seem to recall a recent study showing that too much input is actually bad for a developing child. That noted, I also find most people don't provide their children with enough personal interaction, at that young of an age.

      Televisions, video games and inattentive nannies/day-care are not the same.
      TV and Video Games are goodies. They should, IMNSHO, be set aside a bit more at that age. I've known people to set their kid down in front of the TV for 4-8 hours at a time..

    18. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by marklandm · · Score: 1

      Remember that all children are different. Check out the American Academy of Pediatrics page on Learning to Read.

      http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_Read.htm

      Note the ages mentioned there. While I won't question the poster's abilities, there should be no expectation that everyone should be at that level. What is important here, in my opinion, is to get her to read, not what she is reading. If games serve as a way to get he interested, all the better. However, don't quit doing the other things; read to her and ask her questions. Keep her engaged.

    19. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Storlek · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Things have down hill ever since, haven't they?

      What?
      --
      Bears don't normally eat things that talk and move backwards.
    20. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by EtoilePB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could read books at age 3. My ex-boyfriend couldn't read until he was in the 3rd grade, aged 9. Guess what? In our late 20s, we're both voracious readers (I finished my 80th book of the year last night!); he went to an Ivy League school and I've got a master's from a respectable enough university.

      Not all kids learn on the same pace. And many adult gamers are ALSO voracious readers. (There's more text in some Japanese RPGs than in all of War and Peace, I swear.) I wouldn't go freaking out about the 6-year-old's DS and criticizing someone's parenting because of it.

    21. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by daveywest · · Score: 1
      I think I'm going to side with the "Reading is more important" camp. My 6 year-old, in first grade, is reading on a third grade level. He's actually able to play World of Warcraft because he can read and understand the quest objectives on his own.

      We've got a Wii, and my kids are smart enough to play any game they want on it because they can read. They can read because we have limited their time on video games and provided reading time before bed every night.

      I think the OP should seriously be looking for some titles that require reading, or better yet, take the DS away so the kid will have some time to read an actual book.

    22. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they teach you to read in Kindergarten? I learned before then but as far as I remember, I would have at least learned to read before first grade whether it was from my parents or the school. If she's in First Grade and just learning to read, you don't have her in a good school system.

    23. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Hardy Boys at age 6? Is that all? I myself read "War and Peace" at age 5. Yeah, but what about comprehension? Some people can read "War and Peace" and think it's just an adventure story... Other people can read the list of ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper, and unlock the secrets of the universe...
      --
      Bow-ties are cool.
    24. Re:She's only beginning to read at age 6?! by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      it's getting them to *want* to learn to read

      The best way to get kids to want do anything is to do it in front of them.
      Kids copy, always have, always will.

      If you read then chances are they will too.

  12. # family time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    e-board games great for teaching if the family isn't going to play the real games with her. why spend time building bonds when she can love a DS instead?

  13. buy her a book by unknown_user_name · · Score: 1

    buy her a book and send some time teaching her.

    1. Re:buy her a book by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wish I could mod up the second half of your post. Parental involvement is vital to teaching reading. If you are not reading books with your children then you giving them a serious disadvantage in modern society. That said, if she is six then you are about four years too late. The original poster is either a negligent parent, or his daughter has serious learning difficulties. If the latter is the case then he should get her to a child psychologist, who can probably give him some good recommendations for games that will be beneficial to her. If it's the former, then making her spend more time without parental attention will not help matters at all.

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    2. Re:buy her a book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the great psychoanalysis! Really good to see people taking the understanding of mental abilities to a higher level. And without even knowing more than two thing about the girl in question! Whoa!

    3. Re:buy her a book by jezor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, we did (and do) read to her throughout, and yes, she does have some reading challenges for which she's getting help, although she's extremely bright and social. My oldest son taught himself to read before he was 2, but then again, he was hyperlexic and on the autistic spectrum. Our middle son started to read in first grade, and in fact was encouraged by Pokemon on his Gameboy to work on that.

      Now about those games....? {ProfJonathan}

  14. My 5 year old daughter's favorites by Luveno · · Score: 1
    My 5 year daughter has a DS and is big on it. Her favorites:
    • Cooking Mama 1 & 2 (everyone seems to love these two)
    • Barbie and the 12 Dancing Princesses
    • Elite Beat Agents
    Others that she plays from time to time:
    • Catz
    • Super Princess Peach
    • Super Mario DS
    • Nintendogs
    • Monkey Ball
  15. Put down the DS and GO OUTSIDE by StefanJ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Six is too young to sit around pounding on a video game. I swear, we're raising a generation of kids who won't know how to walk on dirt and run screaming from squirrels.

    Someone else suggested family games. Sounds good.

    I'd also suggest:

    A subscription for the family for CRAFT and MAKE magazine.

    A tub full of craft items and kits. Dollar stores and places like "Joann Fabrics" and Michael's have really cheap, really nifty DIY projects for girls. I visited Harbor Freight yesterday; they had a bin full of kits to build dinosaurs, motorcycles, cars, biplanes. All under two bucks.

    1. Re:Put down the DS and GO OUTSIDE by ghoul · · Score: 1

      The next generation of kids will need to play video games to earn their living - from doctors using robotic surgery to pilots flying UAVs most jobs will be done through a video game like interface. Saying teaching to read is more important than teaching to play video games is like saying memorizing multiplacation tables is more important than algebra in the age of the pocket calculator

      --
      **Life is too short to be serious**
    2. Re:Put down the DS and GO OUTSIDE by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The twitch-reflexes that video games 'teach' a person are attainable in a matter of a short amount of practice. I'm sorry. There aren't advanced 'skills' that are learned by fiddling around with a joystick.

      I feel sorry for anybody who thinks that memorizing multiplication tables is a waste of time. If you can't do simple figures in your head you're mathematically illiterate. And I had a really DIFFICULT time memorizing the multiplication tables.

  16. I found some online games, interesting: by WetCat · · Score: 1

    http://www.nickjr.com/
    Dora the Explorer series.

  17. Why would you want games that don't have reading? by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've left me wondering why you want recommendations of games that don't involve reading. Six years old is hardly too young to be learning how to read. If anything, you want games that will help teach reading. So what you really want is a game that has reading in it, but can still be understood even by a gamer who isn't a good reader yet. There are many games that fit that bill. As a suggestion, check out Meteos. It's a really great puzzle game with five different levels of difficulty (so she'll be able to win it at least on the lowest level), and after completing the campaign mode, there are a multitude of all-text epilogues explaining how your victory (or lack thereof) in the final level affected events. That's a great way to practice reading. You can sit down with her and read it for her when she's playing; it'll be a good lesson, and she'll be interested because she'll want to know how the game ended up.

    Incidentally, I first learned the word "Congratulations" when it popped up at the end of a particularly hard Game Boy game I had been playing for a long while (this was when I was really young). I asked my dad what it said. After that, I was more proud of being able to read such a long word than at having beaten the game.

  18. monkey island by diskis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Give her games with real text. Those old Monkey Island games taught me English. Was quite fun the next year when we started learning English in school. When most pupils could say "This is a book", I used words as "rubberchicken with a pulley in the middle". You could actually install ScummVM and run Monkey Island on the DS :)

  19. Killing two birds with one stone by readandburn · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm sure many of you are familiar with this site, but the VGC just reviewed a couple of DS games for young kids. Reviews are also tagged with icons to determine if a game is suitable for young ones.

    Also, in light of the recent controversy at Gamespot, this is a good site for truly independent reviews (although it can take a while for new games to show up). You can see what one game publisher did after he gave a bad review.

    1. Re:Killing two birds with one stone by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Gamespot's reputation for independent reviews may be history now after a game publisher pulled their advertising and the reviewer got canned.

    2. Re:Killing two birds with one stone by readandburn · · Score: 1
      Yes, this is what I referred to in my post.

      As I said, I think the VGC site is one of the few truly independent game review sites (and probably the biggest).

    3. Re:Killing two birds with one stone by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Independent? Sure. Any good? No. A cursory look at their rather anemic Wii reviews lists Super Paper Mario at the same rating of the awful Table Tennis, The pretty bad Mario Party 8, and the terrible Carnival Games.

      The only reason independent reviews should be better is because it is less likely that you'll be misled by a review. If a site's idea of quality is way out of line of mine (and most of humanity), being independent is irrelevant.

  20. Geometry Wars: Galaxies by urbster1 · · Score: 0
  21. put down the game and go to the library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many wonderful books in the children's section.

    If she can't read them, sit and read them with
    her so she can see the book and the words in print.

  22. Also Check Game Review Sites by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
    There are some great review sites that often include this type of information in the review.

    GameSpot gets a 10/10 in this area.

    --
    Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
  23. Not completely abnormal but do work on reading 1st by everphilski · · Score: 1

    There's plenty of kids who have a mental stumbling block with respect to reading. But generally once you get it, even if it takes till 6 or 7 to get it, they shoot off real quick. It's like a switch that flips in their heads. But not reading at 6 is not the norm. A lot of kids are reading in kindergarten, some in preschool already.

    For every 6 or 7 year old 'late' reader there is a 2 year old reader. My son is 2 and sounding out words already, I have no doubt he'll be reading simple books in a few months. Again, part of it depends on mental development of the child but a big part of it is a commitment on the part of the parents. We started reading with him at a few months' age. It's probably his favorite activity, he has about fifty books and for the longest time we read each book every day. Even today we read for at least a half hour each day. Reading and repetition on the part of the parents really does help the kid develop their vocabulary and ability to read well.

    And yes, we have a video game ban and restrictions on television - no more than a half hour a day, tied to behavior. When he gets older he can play video games but as a young kid there is way too much they have to learn about this world, they really don't need to waste their time behind a console.

  24. I was reading... as far as I can remember, at 3 by Sleeping+Kirby · · Score: 1

    As far as I can remember, I was already reading Chinese. But then, I am chinese. IMO, this is what the US DS market is lacking. Games like this:

    http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/ybnj/index.html
    I miss good and fun educational games that I use to play...

    --
    please... let me sleep... a little more... yay, no longer annonmyous coward.
    1. Re:I was reading... as far as I can remember, at 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I was reading English, but then I am Canadian...;-)

      I miss those French games I learned in school...

      And that link showed a kanji learning game...in Japanese! (I'm in Japan and speak/read that as well ;-))

      So, my point is, are you SURE you learned to read 'Chinese'? ROTFL

  25. How about you DON'T get her GAMES. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now is the worst possible time to get her interested (obsessed) with games. She needs to focus on reading.

    I'm a gamer, and a parent, and when the time is right I will introduce my son to games, even encourage him. But not until he has mastered the much more fundamental skills of reading and writing.

    Giving her lots of games now would probably set her back for years in school. I'm serious.

  26. Pre-reader? by tarogue · · Score: 1

    Six years old and just now starting to read? My son started reading before he was 5. Instead of video games, why don't you spend time reading to her? Get her more interested in books than games. My son has grown up around computers, but he would still rather read than play games.

    --
    Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all. -- Thomas J. Kopp
    1. Re:Pre-reader? by edcheevy · · Score: 0

      Before he was 5... you mean, when he was 4? I'm guessing math came later. I keed, I keed... ;p

  27. Not a parent? I can tell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI. Not every kid is the same.

    1. Re:Not a parent? I can tell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a parent? I can tell.

      Considering I almost say as much right up front, your reading comprehension and deduction skills are simply ASTOUNDING!

  28. Get off my lawn. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1, Funny

    A 6-year-old "pre-reader" with a personal game system? Great - she'll need those gaming skills to keep herself happy when she plows through a series of dead-end jobs in her twenties.

    Before it's too late, let the thing run low on batteries and then have her pitch in with her own cash to buy more. (Your 6-year-old IS familiar with money by now, right?) That will get old fast, and she'll be back to playing with other kids, running around the block, setting fire to cats and all the other things 6-year-olds should be doing if you ever want them to move out of your basement someday.

    You're welcome. Now get off my lawn.

    1. Re:Get off my lawn. by Dorceon · · Score: 2, Funny

      The DS has a built in rechargeable, which is the fatal flaw in your cruel plan.

      --
      What sound do people on rollercoasters make? Hint: it's not Xbox 360.
    2. Re:Get off my lawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all the more expensive to replace when you conveniently forget to explain "recharging"

  29. No problem with reading here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 5 year old shares GBA games (DS will play GBA carts) with his older siblings (oldest 10) and plays most every E rated game we have with no problems. He asks us or one of his siblings to read the talking bits, but he just started kindergarden. The other 2 read at or above grade level and he seems right in line, he even makes paper versions of his games. For all we know he'll end up ahead of the other 2 because of his exposure to words above his reading level that deal with something he enjoys and uses almost daily.

  30. I've got some good advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never talk to Slashdot about anything relating to your personal, private life. It's full of ranting, reactionary, opionated, over-educated sociopaths, who think that because they once saw a child out of the office window, they are an expert on pre-school education.

    Fact is, if you're posting here (and I include myself in this) you've gone horribly wrong in your life somewhere. This is why I refuse to create an account for myself.

    1. Re:I've got some good advice by AlphaDecay · · Score: 1

      As someone who actually teaches kids I think many of the comments above are spot on. The focus of the question should be "how can she play and learn to read" vs "how can she play and not have to read". I'm also in agreement that at 6 she should be reading single syllable words by sight at a minimum. Considering kindergarten is the new first grade where kids are expected to be reading at age 5 - I'd place a 6 year old that can't read at below average.

    2. Re:I've got some good advice by jezor · · Score: 1

      Of course I don't mean to exclude games with any reading--that's silly. I should probably have said, "games that don't require so much reading that she'll put them down in frustration rather than working through them." As it happens, my daughter's kindergarten was less academically-focused than some, so they didn't push reading then, so her challenges weren't as apparent.

      I have no worries about her intelligence; she may in fact have some minor reading disabilities (although she's picking up reading Hebrew, which is totally phonetic, quite well) and is getting some help in school. The issue here is, in the short-term, keeping the grandparents' present from being a useless brick. I have no doubt she'll pick up many words from the games, just as her brother did (and just as I did from reading comics at an early age), and ours is a *very* reading-focused household.

      As for those of you who bragged about reading early, well, so did I. Congratulations. {ProfJonathan}

  31. Reading is good by Sodki · · Score: 1

    Give her some cool and flashy game that *requires* reading. It will encourage her to read and become a brighter human being. I started to read because I was tired of the drawings on Asterix's comic books. I wanted to know the stories too.

  32. Don't like it by himurabattotsai · · Score: 1

    My friends nephew, who's just learning how to read, very slowly, always comes up to me and says, what attack is this? He loves pokemon, and I'm learning to hate what I once too loved. "Umm, this one's grass, will this attack be good?" "Will this attack be good?" "How 'bout this one?" I have never wanted to hit a 4 year old before in my life, until now. You'd think it's innocent and harmless, but I'll be playing a video game against my friend, and his nephew will smack me on the back and go. "Hey, which 'ttack is good for dis one?" I really, really never want a kid, and if I have one, he's playing non-reading videogames like Mario until he learns to read at LEAST small words. Also, I hope it'll have a little common sense. I mean, the kid can sound out letters,but he never thinks to just do it, so I have to make him.

  33. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by chitokutai · · Score: 5, Funny

    I recommend Oregon Trail. How else will a child learn the words Typhoid and Cholera?

  34. Motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there any dating-sims for the DS? I don't speak a word of Japanese yet I tend to make it through these alright.

  35. reading makes games a lot easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i remember when i couldn't read, but played banjo kazooie...that final game show part was damn hard when you have no idea what the fuck the answers or the questions are since you can't read

  36. Re:Not completely abnormal but do work on reading by Bobartig · · Score: 1

    I entered first grade not knowing how to read, but I picked it up plenty fast.

    In highschool, I had extremely high standardized test scores, placed out of college english requirements with 5's on the AP english exam, excellent scores on SAT and SAT II for english and german, had a pile of german awards (highest score on the standardized german exam for the state), and a smattering of journalism awards.

    In college, I studied german, french, and japanese simultaneously while doing a double major in physics and math, chem minor.

    I think what really made the difference for me was growing up in a bilingual environment (english and korean), and studying music before I could read. Growing up, I also watched lots of TV and played video games constantly, which I think had a large influence on the problem solving skills that I have today.

    I'm not sure modern games would be as good for this. I played hundreds of games as a kid, each requiring adapting to a new set of rules, objectives, and strategies to complete. Modern software is much larger, and more repetitive, so it may not have the same effect.

    --
    This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
  37. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by hyvetyrant · · Score: 1

    Having a 5 year old who is fascinated with games, and is in that early reader stage - I think the poster is not asking for games that don't have words, but games that don't depend on a certain reading level to enjoy. My daughter will stop playing a game (and instead watch me play, and try to direct me) if she needs a bunch of help with the words - it gets too frustrating. The games she likes on the computer read the directions to her as well as displaying the text so she can try to read it and still understand the gameplay. That said, I'd suggest looking for some of the GBA puzzle and board games.

  38. 6 seems very late to me too by compwizrd · · Score: 1

    I agree with the various posters about the late reading age.. I was already programming in BASIC by that age, and was reading at a grade 6 level by then as well.

    1. Re:6 seems very late to me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't, though I do agree that looking for no-reading games is a bad idea. I was just starting to read at 6, and reading at a high school level before 9. Some people just get started slowly.

  39. Kid DS game by KE1LR · · Score: 1
    I recommend Big Brain Academy which is basically the same thing as Brain Age but is aimed for the under-10 set.

    It does require some limited reading skills but the puzzles in it are not as complex as the Brain Age ones... while still being tricky enough to drive grownups nuts.

    Sorry, no link but it's easy enough to find.

  40. Good lord by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I played video games a LOT when I was a teenager, but it's stories like this that make me extremely happy that my eight year old boy loves going outside, building stuff with wood, taking things apart, reading books, and generally hates video games from the times he's gone over to his friends' houses.

    It's only later in life that I realized that video games are basically mental sugary sweets. They're empty entertainment that exist solely to cause your mental wheels to spin. I don't subscribe to them being actively harmful, but the lost opportunity cost for growth is significant.

    I personally think this DS needs to "accidentally" get thrown in the bathtub, and then replace it with reading, crafts, piano lessons, etc.

    --
    Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    1. Re:Good lord by Bagels · · Score: 1

      I would respectfully disagree. Even the most abstract puzzle game exercises pattern-recognition, logic, and reflexes; many others tell relatively complex and entertaining stories. A few, like Animal Crossing, even facilitate creativity and socializing. There are indeed meaningless progress-quest games out there that roughly fall under the definition you've given (mostly amongst the more vapid web-games and RPGs), but they do not and should not define the medium for you or for anyone.

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      --- Bwah?
    2. Re:Good lord by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      Even the most abstract puzzle game exercises pattern-recognition, logic, and reflexes; many others tell relatively complex and entertaining stories.

      Some do... I should say that my kids enjoy some of the activities on the Disney web site, which you might call "games" in a broad definition.

      But those aren't the typical games you find on consoles. It's mostly reflex mental masturbation. I'm sure there is some reflex and pattern recognition benefit, but you can get that from any sport, plus all the added benefits (physical and social). Again, I'm not arguing that games are necessarily harmful, just like a bit of candy is not harmful, but the vast majority of them are not worth the opportunity cost. If they're playing video games, they're not doing something else that could have far more growth potential.

      Heck, I can argue watching old Tom and Jerry cartoons (which I heartily approve of) is a better use of time than nearly all video games, just because of the music, the varied locations, and the history lesson of life in the 40s and 50s.

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    3. Re:Good lord by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      I've got a stack of studies sitting in front of me (doing a paper on it) showing that action video games like Unreal Tournament improve a host of spatial cognition skills, and can even help to close the usual gender gap in these skills.

      Don't kid yourself that cartoons are better than video games. How many puzzles do you have to solve to watch Tom & Jerry? How much exercise does the cartoon give you versus a round of Wii boxing or DDR? Will your kid learn more about history (not just facts, mind you, but the cause-and-effect process) from a cartoon or Civilization?

      Also, how many kids have so little time that they can't play video games and a sport (or just playing outside)? If that's an issue, you've overscheduled your children.

      --
      Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
    4. Re:Good lord by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      I've got a stack of studies sitting in front of me (doing a paper on it) showing that action video games like Unreal Tournament improve a host of spatial cognition skills, and can even help to close the usual gender gap in these skills.

      Again, I don't argue that their might be a slight reflex benefit. I just argue that the benefit isn't more than they would get from physical sports and/or playing outside, and it's entirely possible that the benefits are only tied to video games, and don't help much with real-world activities (rendering them useless).

      How much exercise does the cartoon give you versus a round of Wii boxing or DDR?

      Certainly there are games that have a net positive benefit, like DDR. I haven't made up my mind whether Wii sports are good or bad -- I'm lean toward bad (perhaps very, very bad) because it's teaching the brain the wrong lessons. It's not responding to real 3D, it's responding to 2D images.

      Some games might have a benefit (perhaps Civilization, perhaps not), but my point is that those aren't the most popular games that kids play. Platform games are mental masturbation.

      Also, how many kids have so little time that they can't play video games and a sport (or just playing outside)? If that's an issue, you've overscheduled your children.

      I don't schedule my kids to "play outside". Kids will find something to fill their time with. I'd say generally just sitting outside in nature and fresh air is more beneficial than trying to get to the next platform level.

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
  41. Don't Give In On Duplicates by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If she wants other games than already exist in the family collection, that's reasonable. But if she just wants her own copy of a game her brother already has, a firm "No" is necessary.

    Better to have her learn at a young age the difference between reasonable, and unreasonable, demands. Fail here, and you'll pay an ever more expensive price each year for decades to come.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  42. Six years old and only beginning to learn to read? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    Shame on you. My dad started teaching me when I was two.

    --
    "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell.
  43. Electroplankton by makapuf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a really good "game" for a younger (starting from three), I let my son play with it. It doesn't focus on 'winning', 'baddies', killing people or whatever, it is just an introduction to music, sounds, ... He LOVES it.

    Of course, he likes also me playing with him to it, and making mario boucing into walls at super mario world really makes him laugh.

  44. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    I still remember how funny I though it was that 'Filch' was on the SATs, and the only place I had previously ever seen it used was in Zork II: The Wizard of Froboz. People definitely underestimate some kinds of entertainment as learning tools.

  45. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by Neko-kun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can't forget dysentery...

    It was a while before it occurred to me to look it up but once I did, I wound up reading up on the history of the Oregon Trail and really made me appreciate dying of natural causes :3

    And speaking of ancient games, as a kid, before we were allowed to start playing Oregon Trail we had to prove we understood the concepts of operating a computer with a mouse. Crap everyone knows by now :P But I would really like to get a copy of that one. All I remember was the computers it ran on were PowerPC's running one of the color versions of the Apple OS.

  46. Slashdot Culture by toiletsalmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it strangely interesting (and entertaining) that the sex-starved, pale, anti-social geeks that supposedly frequent this place have so many strong opinions about how someone else should raise their child. The mind boggles...

    1. Re:Slashdot Culture by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely... I read the first 20 or comments and the vast majority were boorish advice of an intrusive and arrogant nature. What a bunch of fucking wankers.

    2. Re:Slashdot Culture by tabby · · Score: 1

      Some people's whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others. ;-)

      --
      I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
    3. Re:Slashdot Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is just the sex-starved, pale, anti-social geeks that post the child rearing opinions. Those of us getting frequent sex resulting in having three or four kids, well, we know better (you do your best parenting before you have kids) and we also don't have time. Gotta run, one of them just 'had a bad dream'.....

    4. Re:Slashdot Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nobody knows how to raise kids the first time, many not even the second time. Seemingly its getting worse with all the daycare crap these days, but a parent with a 3 year old isn't going to be better at raising a 10 year old than the master of the basement.

      While I wholeheartedly agree that getting outside the house while young is important, so is reading and these days games can serve as a nice portable substitute for picture books, and a good game can draw a child in a lot better than most picture books will which will be more conducive to wanting to read more.

      That said kudos on asking for help, great step to take as a lot of parents don't do it for the same reason we wouldn't put our hand up in school, because they'd look dumb. At the end of the day of course the kid with his hand in the air was the better student and the parent who asks others for guidance is going to raise their kid better.

      As for some good - I really stress that introducing your kid to good quality entertainment is important as it'll affect the development of their sense of humour and artistic values - DS games that should encourage reading I recommend Dragon Quest Rocket Slime as it has text but won't require a dictionary on hand, its designed for kids but plays well enough for anybody. For games that don't really have any text Mario and Kirby games are good choices. That said to further the reading Pokemon and Zelda are good choices, but you'll most likely need to play with her, which is what you should be doing anyway. Picross, Tetris and Warioware would be relatively mentally stimulating games for a child.

    5. Re:Slashdot Culture by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 1
      Not all stereotypes are true.

      And not only people who have their own children should believe in education.

    6. Re:Slashdot Culture by toiletsalmon · · Score: 1

      I'm well aware that not all stereotypes are true. That was mostly a joke. Mostly.

      I just find the comments that were being placed here interesting. Everybody wants to get on this guys case when all he asked was a simple question. For all we know, the kid could be autistic, or a crack baby, or god knows what. Hopefully that's not the case, but people shouldn't automatically assume that this guy is some sort of deadbeat just because the kid wasn't reading Faust at three years old.

      That's all I'm saying.

    7. Re:Slashdot Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an autistic child of 6. She is learning to read (very slowly). If they are highly functional (I'm not really counting Asperger's as that is almost always highly functional unless they have other problems as well) then it can be done at great pain. I suspected you might be joking mostly, but you bring the front of my mind the thought that many of us are getting older by the year and have moved on in life and now have many other kinds of experiences to share that we didn't way back when.

      In the question asker's possible defense, I must say, if you have an autistic child almost everyone coming in contact with you will assume you are a terrible parent (even middling severe cases don't really "show" visibly).

      Not that anyone cares, but if you find yourself suddenly raising an autistic child that is highly functional, my advice is to do everything possible to make sure he or she receives as close to a normal experience as possible. If you want them to have any chance to function normally (and no one can say that they will or won't) try to make sure they must deal with the same things as normal kids deal with (actually seeing normal consequences and such) so that they learn cause and effect, rather than some fairy tale where they get a reward for every little thing they do correctly (life does not work like that). That said, make sure you avail them to every extra service and session with qualified professionals. Most of these are free in the US (and I would guess nearly every developed nation) as autism has massive amounts of funding. You just have to be involved to make sure you approve of their programs (hey, the parents aren't experts, but he/she is your child, they will be with you long after they are out of the care of any single professional, so you do the best you can).

  47. A little advice by codefungus · · Score: 1

    My brother, at the age of 4, beat Metroid on my NES. Less than a year later, he finished The Legend of Zelda on the same system. Before he could read. From there, he gamed and gamed and today, he's heavily involved in WOW. He's now 17 years old and only knows how to game. He can't even muster up the competence to order a chicken sandwich from Wendy's. I remember when he was about 6 or 7 he knew how many feet were in a mile, could add and subtract fractions, but it was all a waste. I wasn't around, and my parent's let him play video games as he wished.

    Games, and instant gratification in general, will always be around. Help her not give into it. Buy her a few books, a model rocket, something other than f8cking games.

    Good luck.

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    1. Re:A little advice by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      There's nothing intrisically wrong with video gaming, any more than there's something 'intrinsically wrong' with learning how to read fiction. ("Thog! Put down chicken scratched clay and learn how to use spear!")

      Educational computer games can be wonderful. You just won't find many for consoles, as there's not much market. Reader Rabbit will run on the Windows computer that Mom and Dad have anyway.

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  48. a more pressing problem in America by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You exemplify a growing trend for people to spend way too much fucking time raising everyone else's kids.

    How about you just worry about your own, let he worry about his, while I worry about mine?

    You OK with that, champ?

    Or would you really prefer that everyone else tell you what to do with your own children, too? I'm sure that no matter what you say about them, I can find something sufficiently abnormal about your statement to feed a steady stream of admonishment toward you, your children, and your methods of raising a family...

    But I won't. It's not my job to raise your kids.

    1. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because heaven forbid that parents ever suggest ideas to other parents to help a child develop. That's just wrong.

      "So, you're still smoking that crack while your 4 year old watches Venus, huh? Well... you, uh, just keep going with that. I shouldn't tell you how to raise your kids."

      A little info-sharing never hurt anyone. If you can't take any form of critism, constructive or otherwise, maybe posting on the web isn't for you.

      P.S. My mom ALWAYS read to me when I was little... and then I started bringing books TO her to read as a result. I was reading at 3. I went to University of Waterloo for Pure Mathematics after highschool.
      So there. :P

    2. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Wumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as my tax money pays for your kid's education, your kid's education is my problem. Our society thinks that how children are educated is everyone's problem, because if you (hypothetically speaking) are content not to teach your child how to read, write, do arithmetic and not beat up the other children and she grows up to become a burden on society, then she's a burden on society and society thinks that something should be done about it. Like telling you to educate your kids.

      While you could make the argument that this is nobody's business but your own, and that YOU don't want to pay for other people's children's education or medical insurance, it seems that enough Americans think otherwise and don't want to change it. As things stand now, society at large takes an interest in how you raise your kids. Deal with it.

    3. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hate to break it to you "champ", but raising children has always been a community affair ever since the earliest humans began living and working together in groups.

      The community has gotten a lot larger and more impersonal over the past several thousand years, but just like back then we still all share the cost for raising children. It is in the group's best interest for every child to grow up and become a productive member of the group, so we share responsibility for it.

      The problem I think is that society has gotten a lot more possessive throughout history. While our earliest hunter-gatherer ancestors would have regarded children as belonging to the tribe, today we have a "Stay the fuck away from MY children! MINE MINE MINE!" attitude.

    4. Re:a more pressing problem in America by adolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While our earliest hunter-gatherer ancestors would have regarded children as belonging to the tribe, today we have a "Stay the fuck away from MY children! MINE MINE MINE!" attitude.


      I agree with this point. And I like your tribal analogy. Let us continue to develop it:

      This isn't just someone from the local tribe handing out some well-meaning advice, but something far more global.

      It is very different, and anyone would be a fool to think otherwise. Getting unsolicited advice about child development from a neighbor or a loved one (ala "from the local tribe") is a totally separate thing from being ridiculed on a global forum by a complete stranger (as if from some far-away tribe).

      In the former case, such advice should, of course, be welcomed. In latter? It's not their business, and they should stay the hell out of it -- they've got their own tribe to worry about.

      My own children are my own responsibility, and I choose to share some of that responsibility with people whom I know and trust. And it should be bloody obvious, but none of those trusted souls are random people on Teh Intarweb.

    5. Re:a more pressing problem in America by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

      How about you just worry about your own, let he worry about his, while I worry about mine?

      That would be fine, in the case of people who haven't posted questions about how to raise their kids on Ask Slashdot....

    6. Re:a more pressing problem in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      none of those trusted souls are random people on Teh Intarweb

      What, not even me??!

    7. Re:a more pressing problem in America by adolf · · Score: 1

      Um. Uh. Er.

      The question was about video games. The answer was about child rearing.

      I fail to see the connection.

      Might you care to explain your position in greater detail?

    8. Re:a more pressing problem in America by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      Interesting.

      The thing is though, we're becoming more and more a global tribe. By participating in Slashdot discussions it's almost like we've selected a greater non-local tribe to be a member of.

      In a nationalistic sense it can no longer be an issue between local tribe and non-local tribe since we're now looking at a collection of local tribes whose decisions will affect the other tribes.

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  49. Reading by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a game that taught reading skills? A child in Grade 1 who can't read is a scary thought. My nephew and niece, who are bright but not geniuses, were reading comic books, "How And Why" books and the like at that age.

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  50. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by Deanalator · · Score: 1
  51. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your daughter is in the 1st grade and not reading much (per your comment she's just learning to read), your daughter is well behind...you should focus more on reading with her books at her age level instead of letting her play games.

  52. Video games for a six year old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know. This seems a little ridiculous. I never owned a system till I got to college and then I gave it away, because I was wasting time playing games instead of doing my reading. I personally think it is disgusting when parents just give their kids a gameboy and let them sit with it at the dinner table playing it instead of making conversation. There is nothing a game can do that a book cant. And your daughter should seriously be reading by age six.

    If she can't read, read her some classic stories to get her into reading and then buy her any book she wants.

    Recommended books: Redwall, D'Aulaires Book of Greek Myths, the Thief.

    Seriously... reading is good.

  53. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by TheOctapickle · · Score: 1

    Due to drug resistant bacteria, many children will be learning about those the old fashioned way.

  54. Early reading is not very important by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    So long as the kids are in an environment that is sufficiently flexible, it is fine for kids to learn to read later on. What's really cool about homeschooling is that it gives that flexibility.

    We homeschool out kids. One wanted to start reading when he was four and was reading pretty well by the time he was five.

    The other was not keen on reading early on and only really got keen when he was 9 (though he could read at a low level before then). He's now 11 and reads Moby Dick - level books. With **self** motivation fast progress is no problem..

    There's a terrible misconception that kids who don't start reading/etc early miss out and are doomed for life. Crap. A slef-motivated kid can learn to read well in less than a year.

    As for games, well don't use them as educational tools, they are just games. Games might have some might have some educational spin-off, just like many other activities: riding a bike (3d perception, balance, road user skills...), playing softball (3d perception, basic physics of motion...) etc etc. Buying a game because it is educational is like choosing the vitamin enriched cornflakes: you know they're crap and the vitamins is just guilt mitigation.

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    1. Re:Early reading is not very important by Sergeant+Pepper · · Score: 1

      The other was not keen on reading early on and only really got keen when he was 9 (though he could read at a low level before then). He's now 11 and reads Moby Dick - level books. With **self** motivation fast progress is no problem. Agreed. (IIRC - it might have actually been earlier, but I don't remember reading in kindergarten and I know I was reading in first grade) I did not start reading until kindergarten - but, by the fourth grade, I was reading at a college level. That's because I read A LOT. We had weekly book reports in my school (at that time it was just a summary) and every week I would come in with about 1200 pages worth of books. Sometimes it would be an eight-hundred page book and a four-hundred page book, other times it would be six two-hundred page books, but it was always about that.
  55. Those are good suggestions by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Informative


    As the parent of a 5yo daughter, I definitely agree with games mentioned in the parent post. Super Princess Peach is probably the best in that group (in my opinion), because it strikes a good balance of being easy for kids to control while still being very fun to play. It also encourages thinking skills -- you can use elemental tools such as fire to melt ice obstacles, water to douse fires, etc.

    I also agree that it's okay for games to have words, even if the child cannot yet read them. My daughter is just learning to read "the right way" with phonetics, yet can recognize dozens (maybe hundreds) of words because I've read them to her and she's memorized the combination of letters.

    Oh, and that's another good point. Playing these games with your kid is important *and* fun. Read the dialogs to her, help her when she's stuck, play co-op, whatever. It turns an otherwise isolated activity into family bonding.

    1. Re:Those are good suggestions by andphi · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by "the right way"? Is that the right way as proposed by educators? I'm asking for the sake of information, not because I think you're wrong.

    2. Re:Those are good suggestions by nobodyman · · Score: 1

      I really only meant the "right way" in a stereotypical sense. Most people consider the act of reading to be sounding out the sequence of letters in the words and knowing grammatical rules, whereas my daughter has memorized of dozens words based on their "shape",without necessarily knowing how to sound out all of the letters.

    3. Re:Those are good suggestions by andphi · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That makes sense. Most teachers do think of beginning reading as an exercise in phonics and then comprehension. It would be interesting to note, however, when a given child turns over from sounding words out to acquiring them by direct memorization.

  56. There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you want to be a retarded windozw syadmin. Those of us who actually have a clue about user interfaces know that a command line (which is basically text, i.e. reading and writing) is far more powerful. Good luck drawing or aiming with a command line. There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen.
    1. Re:There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Good luck drawing or aiming with a command line. There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen.

      Good luck drawing with the touch screen on a DS.

    2. Re:There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thos of us who know about ui design (and indeed, those who can comprehend basic English) also know that the phrase "more powerful" is not synonymous with "best for all uses".

    3. Re:There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Good luck drawing or aiming with a command line. There's a reason that the DS has a touch screen."
      We are talking about skills.
      Reading is more powerful than clicking a mouse.
      Aiming just isn't that vital of skill to most people in the real world.
      And I use a CAD system. Guess what? I use the command line a lot to draw lines. After you rough the drawing you use the command line the set the dimensions and many other functions.

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  57. What's non-typed Scheme? by tepples · · Score: 1

    but today I'm minimizing... let's see... ah: "The Design and Implementation of Typed Scheme" to post on Slashdot. Typed Scheme? What other kind of Scheme is there? Do people really program through voice recognition?
    1. Re:What's non-typed Scheme? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Very funny. The paper's about a static typing system developed for PLT Scheme that apparently (I can't comprehend the mathematical symbology.) allows Scheme macros to work with static typing and lets small programs be type-checked with just a few annotations.

    2. Re:What's non-typed Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its like a half-assed version of the standard Hindley-Milner influenced type systems that have been the norm in functional programming for 15-20 years. Why do people still use obselete languages like scheme for anything other than intro to programming classes?

    3. Re:What's non-typed Scheme? by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1

      Do you like apples???

      I got her phone number, how do you like them apples???

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  58. Nanostray by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Because bullets are the universal language!

  59. They both start with Tol by tepples · · Score: 1

    I myself read "War and Peace" at age 5. Was it because The Hobbit by Tolkien was checked out, and you grabbed War and Peace by Tolstoy by mistake?
  60. That's what minigame collections are for by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure modern games would be as good for this. I played hundreds of games as a kid, each requiring adapting to a new set of rules, objectives, and strategies to complete. Modern software is much larger, and more repetitive, so it may not have the same effect. WarioWare anyone? But otherwise, it's unfortunate that this appears to be limited to commercial DS games, as there are plenty of minigames on Newgrounds.com that would replicate your "hundreds of games" experience
    1. Re:That's what minigame collections are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of single-celled organisms who can replicate your thinking experience.

      Also you smell funny. Like poop.

  61. Try reading to your Kids by Velcroman98 · · Score: 1

    My wife gave me highlights of an article from one of her medical journals. Kids NEED to know about 5,000 words in order to be successful in kindergarten. The best way to achieve that level was consistent reading to your kids.

    Read to your kids for success, park them in front of the TV, or hand them a video game - your call.

  62. Buying batteries for books by tepples · · Score: 1

    Books are cheaper or free in some cases. Plus, you don't have to buy batteries for them. :) O RLY?
    1. Re:Buying batteries for books by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      If you're going to link to O'reilly and Associates, go directly to their page, don't just misspell it and link to some unrelated junk on Amazon.

    2. Re:Buying batteries for books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to link to O'reilly and Associates, go directly to their page, don't just misspell it and link to some unrelated junk on Amazon. WHOOSH!
      1. That wasn't O'Reilly; it was Oh really?.
      2. That wasn't Amazon; it was Barnes and Noble.
      3. Does this make tepples' point any clearer to you?
    3. Re:Buying batteries for books by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Come on, now. Did my comment really 'whoosh' over your head that way? You didn't recognize the sarcasm when I made fun of the retarded online abbreviation?

      Get outa your chat room once in awhile and see how real people speak.

  63. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by porpnorber · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the child is not so brilliant. Perhaps the child is brilliant, but is, for example, dyslexic. Lots of other comments here are also from people saying, 'ooh, but I was a genius, I was reading in the womb!' Well, good for you. But other people do not have a moral obligation to be you.

    So yes, in general, this is a bit late to be starting reading.

    But have some thought for the specific, why not?

    ... Or maybe the stereotype of the slashdot crowd as a gaggle of empathy-impaired clods is justified, after all. :(

  64. Princesses like Cher? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Disney Princess: Magical Jewels is another good one Are there a lot of non-Disney princess games? I can imagine that a lot of Slashdot readers don't really want to be financially supporting the company behind statutory extensions of the copyright term.
  65. Re:Six years old and only beginning to learn to re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Look at examples such as the Montessori school - many progressive teaching methods leave reading until later in a child's development. There's an argument that learning to read too early can lead to later difficulties in learning emotional and social skills - too much expectation of codified forms of intelligibility leading to an inability to deal with more 'chaotic' structures.

    2. Has anybody considered that the child might have a learning disbility? Perhaps the six year old girl is dyslexic. The reactions shown by many people here seem to be examples of the underlying prejudices our society holds against those with different-to-average learning needs or abilities.

    3. The argument that some people seem to be giving - that computer games are numbing to the mind - is pretty dodgy. The amount of coordination and strategic planning involved in some games goes way further to improve one's mental abilities than a simple 'family game of charades'.

    4. Thought we can assume that most people posting here are geeks, it seems most posters are not taking into account the fact that we (in the richer areas of the world) are moving into a different paradigm of interrelation and employment. Learning to use a computer at a young age can only be a good thing (yes, even if that doesn't involve teh coding).

    5. You're all just jealous that you didn't have a DS when you were 6.

  66. My 2 cents by renegadesx · · Score: 1

    Here are some titles that I would consider on the same level as when I was playing games at age 6 (and yes I was able to clock Super Mario Bros at age 6, Zelda at age 8)
    All these games I already own (except Nintendogs) and have had young cousins play

    New Super Mario Bros
    Super Princess Peach
    Mario Kart DS
    Diddy Kong Racing
    Elite Beat Agents
    Sonic Rush Adventure (first one may be too difficult for a young one)

    When your kid gains some reading ability the following would be suitable Cooking Mama
    Animal Crossing
    Pokemon Diamond & Pearl

    I dont really know todays education standards compared to the late 80's but I in the 3rd grade (age 8) I was able to read the The Hobbit with little difficulty.

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  67. TEACH HER TO READ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read with her.

  68. Time to think priorities by svunt · · Score: 1

    Your six year old can't read yet and you're giving her video games that DON'T require reading? Why exactly are you encouraging illiteracy in your own offspring? Take the DS away and replace it with some readers, or get her some 'learn to read' games. No third option.

  69. Cooking Mama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cooking Mama is a good game that uses very few words. Most of the instructions are indicated with gestures on screen.

  70. Only beginning to read? by zantolak · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I started reading when I was 1.5. What kind of world is this where kids don't read until they're 6?

    1. Re:Only beginning to read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're full of bullshit. I doubt at age 1.5 the baby's brain has even developed enough to have the cognitive ability of comprehending full verbal sentences, let alone written ones.

    2. Re:Only beginning to read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started reading when I was 1.5. What kind of world is this where kids don't read until they're 6? Most people here call it the real world.
  71. Zelda by baojia · · Score: 1

    Legend of Zelda would be cool`

  72. What? by Hooptyjr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    She's 6 and she can't read?

  73. Good games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say,

    EA Playground
    Super Princess Peach
    Mario Kart

    Ignore the comment about the r4DS. These turds on /. are always complaining about the RIAA, but they consistently prove they are all a bunch of thieves, looking to steal other people's hard work.

  74. Why has no-one mentioned it? by G-forze · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one welcome our six-year-old, illiterate overlords.

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    1. Re:Why has no-one mentioned it? by kaos07 · · Score: 1

      Because it's not funny?

    2. Re:Why has no-one mentioned it? by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      Because it's not very funny, perhaps?

  75. reading-Newsflash! Baby invents nipple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why not make this a good opportunity to teach her how to read -- you're never too young to learn."

    I have a two year old that I would like to teach advanced calculus. Is it too late to teach him?

  76. Reading, literacy, et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by some of the comments here, I'd say some /.ers still can't read...ROTFL

    But on a somewhat serious note, have you looked at:

    http://free-reading.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

    I'd be more concerned about having a 6 year old who 'can't read' yet, (if in fact that is just your perception, based on god knows what).

    Spend some time learning about the complexities of reading, etc. (And as a lucky multilingual person, trust me, it is complex.)

    http://languageknowledge.googlepages.com/

  77. Colors! by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good luck drawing with the touch screen on a DS. I tried. I came up with this and this; others came up with these.
  78. Re:Why would you want games that don't have readin by scc4fun · · Score: 1

    And speaking of ancient games, as a kid, before we were allowed to start playing Oregon Trail we had to prove we understood the concepts of operating a computer with a mouse.

    Wow, I remember playing Oregon Trail on Apple IIe's where only a few mouses (er, mice?) were available and only used for drawing programs. I've yet to play Oregon Trail with a mouse.
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  79. Look for these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interactive Storybook Series 1
    Interactive Storybook Series 2
    Interactive Storybook Series 3

  80. Books? by krazytekn0 · · Score: 1

    I mean, I don't have one but the DS looks pretty cool, I just find it strange that with all of these great "learning companions" we have now, Kindergartens are on average not able to read nearly as well as they were in the early 1800's in the States. Try to get your hands on a copy of "The New England Primer" sometime and read it realizing that it was intended for K-1st graders, you'll see what I mean. As for the people picking this particular little girl out and saying "I can't believe she's just learning to read!?!?!" get a grip, some kids have different timing than others, God's cookie cutter stopped working a while ago.

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  81. better idea by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

    maybe instead of worrying about "what to waste your money on this girl for the holidays" you could get her a freaking book and teach her to read. I'd be willing to bet that would be a far better investment of your money and payoff into her future.

    honestly if she can't read how is she supposed to figure out how to play all the games? I'll never understand people who spoil the kids so blatantly on such garbage. I love video games don't get me wrong; but I wasn't handed them, and I certainly didn't get them before I could read. Whats funnier is handing this moderately expensive handhold console to a 6 yearold. Maybe a better idea for a pre-reader would be to get a home console?

    Sorry i just find it hilarious and disgusting the amount of kids 10 and under I encounter with cell phones (often fancier than mine and loaded with games), video ipods, psp's and nintendo ds's. Do people really have nothing better to waste their money on? Honestly put some in the bank or in the kids college fund and let it grow. Maybe its one less shiny toy today; but it will likely pay of in the future.

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  82. Nintendogs by mwgjordan · · Score: 1

    My 5 year old daughter loves Nintendogs. Our family eye-doctor warned that playing handheld games for extended periods of time may lead to myopia. So a game like Nintendogs, which can only be played for a limted time each day is perfect.

  83. uh dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1st grade is time to start learning to read

    i started reading seriously when i was introduced little ~200 page short story collections at that age

  84. Creepy? by uohcicds · · Score: 1

    What would be so creepy about her having a good brain age?

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    It's not you: I'm just this horrifically socially awkward with everybody.
  85. Cooking Mama by rogeriol · · Score: 1

    Although the game needs some reading to be enjoyed 100%, my 6yo daughter is having a good time with Cooking Mama. Boy, this game is addictive and fun, I find myself making some dishes now and then...

  86. Colors.ds is #1 with my 4 and 8 year olds!!! by whiterat · · Score: 1
    I know that this is probably outside the scope of what you were planning on doing, however, the homebrew application Colors is incredibly popular with my 4 and 8 year old children. You need some sort of homebrew cart to play it, which you may or may not use for pirating software, but I can't recommend it enough. Check it out here. This little program simply lets you draw pictures, color them in, save, load, and even replay the your whole drawing process. It seems that the two children can't get enough of it (or Ninendogs for that matter). Most people won't go the homebrew route, and I'm not sure why commercial vendors haven't released a simple coloring, or coloring book type application for the DS. They fit together so well.

    I would also recommend the Interactive Story Book series. These are specifically directed at pre-readers. I personally use a CycloDS Evolution for my homebrew endeavours and have been very satisfied with it.

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    It's nothing, just you're carbodyluminocap acting up... just a couple of hours to fix.
  87. She's Learning to Read and... by sexconker · · Score: 1

    You DON'T want to give her games where reading is required?

    I had it tough back in the 1980s - badly translated text and not much of it.
    Yet games helped me learn to read.

    If I didn't know a word I would:
    -Figure it out from context.
    -Ask someone.
    -Look it up.

    Kids may be ignorant, but they're still pretty damned good about figuring things out, and they really excel at asking questions.
    Arm that girl with a dictionary and some fun games and she'll be ahead of her class in no time.

  88. Don't forget by Dareth · · Score: 1

    Don't forget sudoku! Absolutely no reading required.

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    I only look human.
    My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  89. My 3 1/2 year old cannot live without... by AcidTag · · Score: 1

    Wario Touched (She played this first and has pretty much mastered it)
    Monkey Ball (She only likes Monkey Bowling)
    Cooking Mama 1 (We picked up Cooking Mama 2 for Christmas)
    Dora Saves the Mermaids (Kind of disapointing, she mastered the game in 10 minutes, and now refuses to play it anymore)

  90. My 4 year old loves Kirby Canvas Curse,CookingMama by the+stapler · · Score: 1

    I've got a 4 year old and a 2 year old. They love New Super Mario, Super Princess Peach, Chocobo Tales, Yoshi DS, and especially Cooking Mama and Kirby Canvas Curse. The last two make good use of the stylus and they picked them up easily. The 4 year old likes me to read her the names of the recipies and is memorizing them. Canvas Curse had a few levels she got stuck on which caused some tears, but we just convinced her to move on. The best part is that these are all good games that my wife and I like to play when we get the chance. We bought the DS for us, but the kids quickly stole it.

  91. Pictochat, baby! by echocharlie · · Score: 1

    No game necessary, just use Pictochat. My 4-year-old loves to use Pictochat to doodle and send messages, My 2.5-year old does this to some extent, too. It's pretty nice because it helps them develop their coordination and helps them prepare to write. They seem to like Konami's Lost in Blue, and hunting in the sand for food.

  92. Other ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sonic Rush
    Kirby Canvas Curse
    WarioWare

    all decent games for a child. WarioWare wouldn't hold an adults attention for more than a week, but it's simple and fun.

  93. Just cheat ! (skip passages) by curri · · Score: 1

    One thing that can help you is skip a paragraph if it's too boring, and not important. You can usually realize this after 1-2 sentences, and can always go back and re-read if it ended up being important.
    And yes, you're not reading the right books :) but then, who cares ?

  94. My Step-Daughter's Favorites by Brigade · · Score: 1

    I bought her a DS for Christmas last year (she was 5 turning 6 in January) and she had limited reading skill, i.e. if you forced her to practice she could do it, but wasn't really excited about it.

    It was a bit text-heavy but she was still bright enough to play through Spongebob: Battle for Bikini Bottom. She absolutely loved it, and only occasionally would ask me or her mother to read what was being said between objectives. Plus, she eventually got to the point where she would make a really honest effort at it herself.

    I was working at Gamestop at the time, and actually took her to the store to try out a few different games we had in the used shelves, and by far and away she loved all the different incarnations of Spongebob.

  95. Wow. by gknoy · · Score: 1

    I thought you were almost-trolling, and yet -- it's very apropos. Maybe not for a 6 year old, but Crosswords -- ON A DS!? Heck, I could go for that. I know I loved the Sudoku implementation.

  96. You could always get some Bratz doll games, my cousin loves those.

  97. 6 year old emergent reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids learn to read often motivated by the ability to escape into fantasy. Playing games and reading Potter,Compass,Oz etc. are a part of childhood. I agree with the Animal Crossing game for DS. That is the game I got my 6 yr old granddaughter. It uses a lot more intelligence than most games as it involves critical thought. Yoshi's Island is really fun and its good for the development of mental motor skills. Have a Great holiday all.