Err, there is a mis view regarding to what actually happened. Nigeria ordered computers AND customized software, and the deal was done. Now imagine that the day you are getting computers + custom software you paid for you suddenly decide that you want other software, this is not MS winning an elicitation against Mandriva, this is about a government that orders and pays for something but suddenly decides not to use it for no reason.
I am sorry but slashdot is probably the only place I actually read the word "citizendium", one year later I only find wikipedia links everywhere, and no single citizendium link. And I browse the web a lot.
With Ubuntu as the culprit there is some sort of "respect" that kills the potential of the thread. Come on guys, it is not Linux, it is just Ubuntu. What are the SuSE/RH/etc fans waiting for?
Maybe they know that it is Linux, and not just ubuntu and an old version of the Linux kernel... Gutsy's kernel is not with this flaw anymore...
On the other hand, completely ignoring Microsoft formats isn't essentially suicide, it is suicide. Microsoft exists, and dominates the office application market, pretending it doesn't exist and that you can 'do your own thing' without taking it into account is utterly stupid.
I don't really see your point it sounds like "Can't beat MS" although that may be true, that's not a good argument for supporting a format for alleged (and unproved) 'better' support for OOXML that's a very good argument to stick with OOXML and forget about other formats.
Under your logic it simply does not make to make any format at all, sure you could try to add some kind of support to open xml but that's quite lame, why would a document format have to support a different document is something I fail to understand, and I cannot actually think on how you would actually do it.
The only thing a format that is compatible with OOXML gonna archieve is to let OOXML become the actual standard and your format would just be a way to say "me too" rather than a format on itself.
I've seen malware get into IE on computers with many different brands of anti virus software, I would say this is old news. What's most worrying is that there are plenty of USB disk viruses that exploit autorun that also seem to beat these anti virus software. I've seen AVG, Kaspersky , Mcaffe, Norton and Panda failing to detect a worm that has infected my brother's windows partition thrice (I have to clean it myself which takes time) (The other anti virus software I have not tested yet)
quality is such a word considering that a youtube video tends to have better quality than my Latin American cable company...
I use youtube more to find old episodes I'd like to remember or to find the ones I miss from their emissions, in this place I am often away by a whole season from the ones in the states so this hulu thing is not going to be a killer...
It does not change the fact using it in GNOME is a bad idea, we were ok with C, gnome and gtk are already cross platform and there are already bindings to all the important languages, so I see no need to make things more complicated or add an MS dependence just because MONO is pretty or got features that are actually not needed in GNOME...
it does not matter if it is cross platform or cross language, the intention is to make applications for the default Linux desktop...
How is this dependant on MS..
If Linux grew a MONO dependence, MS would get the turn off switch. In several situations MS has implied that MONO requires "patent protection", in the case of MS, it does not matter if their claims are utter BS or true, they got a bunch of lawyers and since they ACTUALLY invent.net in this case that gives them even more advantage.
If MS didn't intend on suing regarding MONO, they wouldn't implicitly add protection for it on Novell's deal and at the same time deny protection to it on the next deals...
Even if there weren't any patent threats, MS will keep upgrading.net and make sure MONO gets more and more obsolete, the idea would be to make Linux look like a second class citizen.
if you aren't using MS's application stack (SWF, ASP.Net, etc.) and choose to use GTK# or MonoRails, then you are safe... if it runs under mono today, it should run under mono tomorrow... Maybe MS comes up with some new extensions to C#/.Net that aren't in the mono version.. so what... if I'm not developing a windows application, that doesn't affect me in the slightest... I don't get your position in that regard.
Why would you need MS' application stack? beats me to find a logical reason to do that kind of stuff, if the intention with mono was to make a multilanguage cross platform framework that had nothing to do with.net , then I don't understand why the rush to clone.net... Or where they totally unable to invent their own one?
If they thought that you would be able to run.net apps as a bonus, then they are just crazy, for starters.net apps require at least windows forms (and there are a bunch of.net that also need active x garbage) and windows forms is not part of MS' 'freed' stuff.
I feel that Mono, like Wine, should be treated as a compatibility layer to run software intended for other operating systems
What surprises me the most is that this actually has to be said. It is ridiculous that mono is so actively used to actually make programs for official gnome, we got python, we got Java, we got Ruby, we certainly did not need MONO here.
I can foresee somebody telling me it is about picking the best tool for the job. But then HOW IN EARTH would MONO be the best tool for this job? The intention is to make open source free software, and adding any unnecessary dependance on MS technology is ridiculous, and it is really making gnome look bad, I actually hope KDE4 lives to the expectations so I can move. Really.
Sure, they could go to cups to make printer drivers, but this request is for devices to be worked out by the project, not by the developers, so, it is all right to ask the developers themselves to go and work on printer support, but you can't ask the "Linux device project" to do it, since it is out of its scope, and this is the "Linux device project" asking for ideas, not the developers themselves.
Hey I appreciate the modding down, but I am not sure it was Off Topic, I would have accepted "Overrated" (which means I disagree) or Flamebait,(which means the guy is trying to make us mac fans angry) but seriously, Off-topic? Where did that come from?
That's actually a well styled fallacy of origin, "he didn't wear shoes". I would say that if people are lame enough to dismiss the speech just for that they deserve to be controlled by the big corporations, f*cked from behind by DRM...
Last time I checked Vista DID NOT have the market's control yet, in fact XP is still dominating with a percentage that easily factors vista's market share by 10...
Leopard needs new hardware, Vista needs new hardware.
Vista gets bad advertising everywhere (just or not) , Leopard doesn't... Instead there are plenty of guys advertising its look and feel, really, check out the Linux appearance mod sites and you'll find so many leopard ones...
To me, it looks like MS is declining and apple is growing, not like I prefer apple over MS, for what I know they would make a worse market dictator.
The best for the costumers would be an environment in which MS, apple and Linux all got over 20% and none more than 40% that would be great for the costumers (us?) since no hardware or software company will be able to focus on a single platform...
It really looks like Apple is getting momentum lately, although I can't confirm where the momentum comes from... One of my hobbies involved making some tools for assisting a game's map editing and this last year I have been getting much more (by wide percentage) complaints about tools not working in Macs. Really.
Who dared call Mythbusters pseudo science? Do you really want them to be in the same level as Intelligent design and paranormal investigators? What's wrong with you people?!
I demand for this story to get a new tag: !pseudoscience
Slashdot Mirror
Err, there is a mis view regarding to what actually happened. Nigeria ordered computers AND customized software, and the deal was done. Now imagine that the day you are getting computers + custom software you paid for you suddenly decide that you want other software, this is not MS winning an elicitation against Mandriva, this is about a government that orders and pays for something but suddenly decides not to use it for no reason.
I am sorry but slashdot is probably the only place I actually read the word "citizendium", one year later I only find wikipedia links everywhere, and no single citizendium link. And I browse the web a lot.
I don't really see your point it sounds like "Can't beat MS" although that may be true, that's not a good argument for supporting a format for alleged (and unproved) 'better' support for OOXML that's a very good argument to stick with OOXML and forget about other formats.
Under your logic it simply does not make to make any format at all, sure you could try to add some kind of support to open xml but that's quite lame, why would a document format have to support a different document is something I fail to understand, and I cannot actually think on how you would actually do it.
The only thing a format that is compatible with OOXML gonna archieve is to let OOXML become the actual standard and your format would just be a way to say "me too" rather than a format on itself.
I've seen malware get into IE on computers with many different brands of anti virus software, I would say this is old news. What's most worrying is that there are plenty of USB disk viruses that exploit autorun that also seem to beat these anti virus software. I've seen AVG, Kaspersky , Mcaffe, Norton and Panda failing to detect a worm that has infected my brother's windows partition thrice (I have to clean it myself which takes time) (The other anti virus software I have not tested yet)
quality is such a word considering that a youtube video tends to have better quality than my Latin American cable company...
I use youtube more to find old episodes I'd like to remember or to find the ones I miss from their emissions, in this place I am often away by a whole season from the ones in the states so this hulu thing is not going to be a killer...
It does not change the fact using it in GNOME is a bad idea, we were ok with C, gnome and gtk are already cross platform and there are already bindings to all the important languages, so I see no need to make things more complicated or add an MS dependence just because MONO is pretty or got features that are actually not needed in GNOME...
If Linux grew a MONO dependence, MS would get the turn off switch. In several situations MS has implied that MONO requires "patent protection", in the case of MS, it does not matter if their claims are utter BS or true, they got a bunch of lawyers and since they ACTUALLY invent .net in this case that gives them even more advantage.
If MS didn't intend on suing regarding MONO, they wouldn't implicitly add protection for it on Novell's deal and at the same time deny protection to it on the next deals...
Even if there weren't any patent threats, MS will keep upgrading .net and make sure MONO gets more and more obsolete, the idea would be to make Linux look like a second class citizen.
Why would you need MS' application stack? beats me to find a logical reason to do that kind of stuff, if the intention with mono was to make a multilanguage cross platform framework that had nothing to do with .net , then I don't understand why the rush to clone .net ... Or where they totally unable to invent their own one?
If they thought that you would be able to run .net apps as a bonus, then they are just crazy, for starters .net apps require at least windows forms (and there are a bunch of .net that also need active x garbage) and windows forms is not part of MS' 'freed' stuff.
Lately even MS' anti GPL and pro software patents poison is OSI approved, though...
What surprises me the most is that this actually has to be said. It is ridiculous that mono is so actively used to actually make programs for official gnome, we got python, we got Java, we got Ruby, we certainly did not need MONO here.
I can foresee somebody telling me it is about picking the best tool for the job. But then HOW IN EARTH would MONO be the best tool for this job? The intention is to make open source free software, and adding any unnecessary dependance on MS technology is ridiculous, and it is really making gnome look bad, I actually hope KDE4 lives to the expectations so I can move. Really.
Sure, they could go to cups to make printer drivers, but this request is for devices to be worked out by the project, not by the developers, so, it is all right to ask the developers themselves to go and work on printer support, but you can't ask the "Linux device project" to do it, since it is out of its scope, and this is the "Linux device project" asking for ideas, not the developers themselves.
That's because Microsoft has also worried about upgrading the looks in vista!
Hey I appreciate the modding down, but I am not sure it was Off Topic, I would have accepted "Overrated" (which means I disagree) or Flamebait,(which means the guy is trying to make us mac fans angry) but seriously, Off-topic? Where did that come from?
Hey I didn't say I would try vista either.
Not like I wouldn't recommend leopard over vista. Heck I would try it if it wasn't for the fact I would have to buy another computer just to TRY it...
This news story was brought to you by the friends of Steve Jobs.
It has never stopped Microsoft...
That's actually a well styled fallacy of origin, "he didn't wear shoes". I would say that if people are lame enough to dismiss the speech just for that they deserve to be controlled by the big corporations, f*cked from behind by DRM...
To me, it looks like MS is declining and apple is growing, not like I prefer apple over MS, for what I know they would make a worse market dictator.
The best for the costumers would be an environment in which MS, apple and Linux all got over 20% and none more than 40% that would be great for the costumers (us?) since no hardware or software company will be able to focus on a single platform...
It really looks like Apple is getting momentum lately, although I can't confirm where the momentum comes from... One of my hobbies involved making some tools for assisting a game's map editing and this last year I have been getting much more (by wide percentage) complaints about tools not working in Macs. Really.
Who dared call Mythbusters pseudo science? Do you really want them to be in the same level as Intelligent design and paranormal investigators? What's wrong with you people?!
I demand for this story to get a new tag: !pseudoscience
Did you notice the ... link to "administration" section that then requests a password from you? I think a lawyer actually made that web page...
This was not off topic, it is just showing how retarded the comparison is
On other news, windows 3.11 needed quite less powerful machines than windows vista.