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Microsoft Denies Sabotaging Mandriva Linux PC Deal

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has denied sabotaging Mandriva's deal with the Nigerian government to supply Classmate PCs from Intel along with a customized Mandriva Linux operating system. 'From Microsoft's perspective it's a matter of choice. In the statement sent to InternetNews.com, Microsoft said it believes individuals, governments and other organizations should be free to choose the software and other technologies that best meet their needs. "We are seeing strong market demand for Windows on low-cost devices to help governments in the areas of education, local innovation, and jobs and opportunity," the Microsoft spokesperson said in the statement.' The company's denial is in response to Mandriva's CEO Francois Bancilhon expression of disappointment with Microsoft."

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  1. Slightly funny by udippel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government in Nigeria and will continue to partner with government and industry to help meet their needs,"

    How about "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government and people in Nigeria and will continue to help meet their needs" ?

    1. Re:Slightly funny by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      ... and will continue to partner with government and industry to help meet their needs,"

      And while we're at it, whose needs, specifically? Are they helping the Nigerian government, or industry, or is it just the needs of Microsoft that are being met here?

      As if we didn't know the answer.

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    2. Re:Slightly funny by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 5, Funny

      We both know Microsoft will continue to endeavor to maintain maximum synergy with the various heavy users of e-mail throughout Nigeria. A spokesperson was quoted as saying "We believe Exchance is the perfect solution forr the bulk amounts of e-mail commonly found in Nigeria's main industries".

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    3. Re:Slightly funny by ericartman · · Score: 1

      "It's a cookbook!!"

      Cart

    4. Re:Slightly funny by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government and people in Nigeria and will continue to help meet their needs" ?

      Should read: "Microsoft has a large bank account and will continue to slip cash to certain government officials in Nigeria." There, that fixed it.

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    5. Re:Slightly funny by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

      > How about "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government
      > and people in Nigeria and will continue to help meet their needs" ?

      You've got things a tad confused. "help meet their needs" is referring to Microsoft's.

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    6. Re:Slightly funny by aynoknman · · Score: 3, Funny

      People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time. The question is: Does this strategy work?
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    7. Re:Slightly funny by rlbond86 · · Score: 1

      Who cares? Mandriva got their money. Let Microsoft spend more cash.

    8. Re:Slightly funny by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      Can't say; no one's ever replied to my sig, and I've never changed it (since I added it about two months ago, that is; before then, I had no sig).

    9. Re:Slightly funny by awrowe · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, whose needs, specifically? Are they helping the Nigerian government, or industry, or is it just the needs of Microsoft that are being met here?

      Well they say very clearly that they are partnering with the government and industry and will continue to help meet their needs. Nothing was mentioned about the people at all.

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    10. Re:Slightly funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume it is just coincidence that Microsoft employs one of the recent President of Nigeria's sons?

    11. Re:Slightly funny by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      Well they say very clearly that they are partnering with the government and industry and will continue to help meet their needs.

      There's an ambiguity in the way they phrase it. The word "their" could refer to the people at Microsoft just as easily as it could the Nigerian government or industry.

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  2. You can have any OS you like as long as it's ours by linuxci · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Microsoft said it believes individuals, governments and other organizations should be free to choose the software and other technologies that best meet their needs"

    That choice is Vista Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Business, Vista Ultimate. Microsoft will do anything to make sure that they get a stronghold in emerging markets, they don't care what's best for the user (of course sometimes windows is the best option, doesn't mean it is all the time)

  3. how about by XTbushwakko · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Microsoft has strong (relatively cheap) relationship with the government in Nigeria and will continue to give them cash."

  4. Standard business in accordance with the law. by malkavian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, they can't afford for whole countries to escape the Windows hegemony.. It makes "business sense" for Microsoft to 'gift' or 'donate' whole slews of Windows licenses to a government to keep them in the fold. So then everyone else will need Microsoft to interoperate with them.
    Their whole argument of "people should be free to choose the best software for the task" is a little tongue in cheek. After all, the initial procurement was probably far more lengthy and in depth than the quick 'jerk' reaction to taking MS on board afterwards. They did probably buy what was best for their requirements in the first place.
    It would be interesting to see what laws on software dumping are present in Nigeria (not many, I'd estimate), so yes, they're obeying Nigerian law. Not necessarily the law as applies to the country that any given reader may be in.
    So, they can happily state that while engaging in business practices that are illegal in countries other than the one they are making that transaction.

    This kind of U turn (and added expenditure, if obeying the normal laws of the Western World) is not really possible without "greasing the wheels"..

    Smoke and mirrors once again, Microsoft.

    1. Re:Standard business in accordance with the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      (My computer is not a toy, so a toy operating system doesn't fit the need in my case.)

      My computer is not a toy either. Which is why it runs a serious operating system rather than a toy. One of the ways you can tell the OS is not a toy is by the fact that of the worlds top 500 super computers most of them also run Linux as I do.

      The least popular OS on super computers comes from a company that tends to subsidize one or two super computers just so they can dictate that the machines run their toy OS.

    2. Re:Standard business in accordance with the law. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I guess the future point will be that Linux Vendors will have to keep their mouth shut until the computers start making delivery. This is so MS won't jump in just after hearing a distro brag about a large sale and force their MS approved product.

      I would like to known the specifics of the deal. I mean MS would have to practically pay them plus give the software for nothing to keep the costs the same on both deals at this point. Not to mention that MS products seem to want more memory just to be usable.

    3. Re:Standard business in accordance with the law. by awrowe · · Score: 1

      Wait, did they just say that pirating Windows is ok, as long as it's "the best software for the task" ?

      Well yes, as a matter of fact they did. Now that is the truly rapacious face of MSFT showing.

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  5. Oh really? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "We are seeing strong market demand for Windows on low-cost devices ..."

    And so they respond with ending Win98 and WinXP while pushing Vista in spite of the fact that the vast majority of users don't want it?

    1. Re:Oh really? by pdusen · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only if by "vast majority" you mean "very vocal minority". The "vast majority" couldn't care less. I agree that this is pretty fishy, but don't be ignorant.

    2. Re:Oh really? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I realize that my own local sampling isn't a large enough sample, but at my office, 4 people have purchased new computers with Vista on them. Of those, exactly 4 people wanted me to reload them with Windows XP. That's approximately 100% of my users disliking Vista and regretting their purchase decision when they expected to like Vista because it was newer and supposedly better.

  6. Maybe cynical - but history shows... by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government in Nigeria and will continue to partner with government and industry to help meet their needs,"

    How about "Microsoft has a strong relationship with the government and people in Nigeria and will continue to help meet their needs" ?

    I suppose by "their needs" they mean "Microsoft's needs". And the government has money and power, the people don't.

    1. Re:Maybe cynical - but history shows... by Chemicalscum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually senior government officials in Nigeria need large amounts of cash stuffed in large envelopes and handed to them in cafe's in Switzerland. Of course this practice is not unique to Nigeria at least one former prime minister here in Canada have been known to indulge in this.

    2. Re:Maybe cynical - but history shows... by ehrichweiss · · Score: 4, Funny

      WRONG!! I've got an official in Nigeria who's giving me 47 million dollars in exchange for me helping him secure an inheritance that he's taking from another official....

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    3. Re:Maybe cynical - but history shows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mulgooney is the biggest cocksucker ever! arrogant POS, big chinned, foul-mouthed thief! ..and he thought he'd be remembered as Canada's best PM. What a saint! oh, Brian, erm "Britan", thanks for the GST!

  7. Title is Misleading by kripkenstein · · Score: 5, Informative
    The title is misleading. Microsoft did not say it didn't 'sabotage' the deal, it said

    Microsoft operates its business in accordance [...] with the laws of the countries in which it operates
    In other words, Microsoft considers itself to be acting within the law. Since this is Nigerian law, I am not sure this is saying much (although perhaps the laws are enlightened but never applied - same result). Furthermore, even in US or European law there are plenty of legal actions that most people would consider unethical, and perhaps that is what happened here.

    Yes, business can be cutthroat at times, but when you get a tiny competitor's product to not be used even after being ordered by the customer and yours to replace it, things seem highly suspect. Since this is in Nigeria I presume no anti-trust actions will occur, but the relevant officials should take note.
    1. Re:Title is Misleading by Plunky · · Score: 5, Funny

      Since this is in Nigeria I presume no anti-trust actions will occur, but the relevant officials should take note.
      Oh, I'm sure they already took plenty of notes..
    2. Re:Title is Misleading by weicco · · Score: 1

      In other words, Microsoft considers itself to be acting within the law. Since this is Nigerian law, I am not sure this is saying much

      When in Rome... Of course you are supposed to follow the local laws! Nigeria isn't part of United States you know. If MS followed Nigerian law and possible international treaties then everything is by the books, no matter what some law in some other country says.

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    3. Re:Title is Misleading by Kythe · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...but is Nigerian law the only law of interest here? Is it in accordance with US law for a US company to bribe officials of a foreign government?

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    4. Re:Title is Misleading by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work at an international investment bank. Our rules are basically that we obey they laws of the country we're operating in *as a base requirement*. Beyond that, we're expected to pretty much follow US law as well, wherever possible. In other words, even if bribing a government official is legal in that country , we're not allowed to do it. It's a matter of reputation and trust. Microsoft already has a reputation, and their customers don't seem to understand the concept of trust as it applies to software, so neither of these are really factors.

      Following the rules of a developing country is setting a pretty low bar. The idea is to set the bar higher and act as an example, not to mention to avoid the ire of people in first-world countries who tend to key in on legal-yet-unethical practices and put them on the 6 o'clock news.

      It's also a matter of risk management. When you start playing dangerous games, the risks increase significantly. By turning down business that would have incurred abnormally high risk in order to obtain, we shield ourselves from the consequences should that risk become reality.

    5. Re:Title is Misleading by init100 · · Score: 1

      Is it in accordance with US law for a US company to bribe officials of a foreign government?

      It may not be, but for the US export industry, I think that the US government will make an exception. Why? It brings money into the US.

  8. Re:tagged STFU by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to feel that way until I saw the Search Doggy in XP. How can you dislike a company that makes an OS with a Search Doggy?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xp+search+dog&btnG=Google+Search

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  9. Well if they deny it... by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Microsoft has denied sabotaging Mandriva's deal [CC] with the Nigerian government to supply Classmate PCs from Intel along with a customized Mandriva Linux operating system. It's puzzling though, I really would've thought they had something to do with it.
    But if they say it wasn't them, it must be one of those freak events we keep reading about in News of the World.
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    1. Re:Well if they deny it... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      I get it! We're in ImaginationLand! This must be part 4 of the new South Park episodes!

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    2. Re:Well if they deny it... by Phat_Tony · · Score: 1

      Well, they don't exactly say "it wasn't them." They say "From Microsoft's perspective it's a matter of choice."

      You see, the Nigerian Government might have choosen to go with Linux. Microsoft makes it clear, it was their decision to make. And maybe Microsoft choose to let them know that, if they made an unfortunate choice in this matter, some unfortunate events might happen to occur to the people who made that decision. And maybe Microsoft choose to let these members of the Nigerian government know that if they made a different decision, certain things might happen to go their way in the future. Maybe they could take an early retirement, or have an opportunity to buy something nice for themselves. Microsoft choose to make the members of the Nigerian Government aware of these things, and the people of the Nigerian Government exercied their ability to choose accordingly.

      So you see, Microsoft's being honest: it was a matter of choice.

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    3. Re:Well if they deny it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this isn't just predatory, it's stupid, if you'd check your spam quarantine sometime you'd know the Nigerians need email servers not desktops. Now what do they get? the target platform for aunt tilly's bank account #, hack on Nigerians. (this is all tongue in cheek humor)

  10. Gotta hand it to MS by bignetbuy · · Score: 0, Troll

    They managed to make the Nigerian government pay twice for an operating system. Better than all the 419ers combined. Kudos to MS. Now, please deliver Vista to those sons of too.

  11. Mandriva still got paid right? by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 1

    So what's the big deal at the end of the day? It's a shame, but the Nigerian goverment could have just NOT gone with Mandriva at all.

    1. Re:Mandriva still got paid right? by Kythe · · Score: 1

      Indeed, what's the big deal? You might ask Microsoft that, since it's a fairly safe bet they actually bribed Nigerian government officials to take their operating systems.

      Sounds to me like Microsoft acknowledged it was a big deal by their actions. Why do you suppose they did that?

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    2. Re:Mandriva still got paid right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's the big deal at the end of the day? It's a shame, but the Nigerian goverment could have just NOT gone with Mandriva at all.

      Yeah, what a bunch of whiners! If this early Massachussetts, Microsoft would have had them hung as witches and their lands divided up among the major players! This is a comparatively good deal compared to, say, being pressed under a bunch of rocks. Some people want to hold Microsoft to a ridiculously high standard, but they're not making the right comparisons!
    3. Re:Mandriva still got paid right? by fwarren · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So what's the big deal at the end of the day?

      That Microsoft had to hold it's nose and actually respond to a Linux company.

      This is akin to how US presidents don't meet with terrorists and nutty generals. Even heads of state that they greatly disapprove of. It lends legitimacy in the eyes of the world.

      The fact that ANY Linux company could say something, and instead of ignoring it. Microsoft feels it actually has to defend itself. All in the name of choice and fair market.

      They are so droll.

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    4. Re:Mandriva still got paid right? by mackyrae · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now the kids will be learning only how to use one platform and its ways of doing things, most likely. I mean, it is certainly possible to teach "how to use a computer" without emphasizing Windows or Linux or Mac terms and specifics and making more reference to logical use of UI, what input/output are, etc., but most computer teachers in elementary schools are just whichever teacher is best at figuring out email, so they don't really know how to teach. Instead, the kids will just learn how Windows works by memorizing series' of clicks which don't translate to other platforms.

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  12. Anti dumping laws by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This 'deal' should be opened up and examined. If M$ is found to have provided the copies of MS Windows at below cost it should be taken to task using the anti dumping laws . All the financial aspects should be examined, including and 'free consultancy' and hardware donations/upgrades, ...

    To an extent this is moot since the investigation will proceed at a glacial pace and by the time that it concludes it will all be a done deal.

    1. Re:Anti dumping laws by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      If M$ is found to have provided the copies of MS Windows at below cost it should be taken to task using the anti dumping laws

      The average annual salary in Nigeria is $160.00

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    2. Re:Anti dumping laws by temcat · · Score: 1

      Well, the cost of a copy of Windows XP is the cost of a blank CD and the time to copy the image ;-)

    3. Re:Anti dumping laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> If M$ is found to have provided the copies of MS Windows at below cost

      Cost is what ? 0.30$ per CD ?

      You are pushing a FREE (as both in freedom and in beer) OS. You can't impose a price for MS products just because the compete with your FREE products.

    4. Re:Anti dumping laws by jimicus · · Score: 1

      A lot less than that when you're getting them masted by the million, I'm sure.

    5. Re:Anti dumping laws by mscamara · · Score: 1

      You do realise that linux is always provided below cost, as nothing is free... The programers donnate their time. With the talent they have, I seriously doubt that their time is free.

    6. Re:Anti dumping laws by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      No development cost? No support cost? No overhead from Redmond?

      I love your accounting.

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    7. Re:Anti dumping laws by temcat · · Score: 1

      Hush, hush, I just gave Redmond folks a nice argument for the anti-trust people, and now you're destroying it all!

    8. Re:Anti dumping laws by ThePromenader · · Score: 1

      Well, sure, let's do the math. I'm not sure what Microsoft has in overhead/production expenditure, but take that for the time it took to produce a version of their OS, and divide it by every CD of that version sold. I'm sure the number you will get will be - probably somewhere near the store price of a blank CD.

      It's not for nothing that they're billionaires.

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  13. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they also deny trying to sabotage Java, DrDOS, SPF, ISO standardization process or ECMA4?

  14. A fine bit of Clintonesque "what 'is' is" spin by jejones · · Score: 1

    In one sense, the guy is right. The deal wasn't sabotaged, in the sense that the computers are being purchased with Mandriva.

    OTOH, MS can't allow a large number of users to be exposed to Open Source software, so...

  15. In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    the fox denied eating the chicken.

    "Blood? What blood? Thats not chicken blood,
    it is ketchup. I am a vegetarian!"

    Thomas

  16. Yeah, right by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's conviction for monopolistic practices in the EEC argues strongly against their spokesman's statement. Of course, when has a spokesman for a large corporation, especially MicroDreck, said anything that was more than tangentially connected with the objective truth?

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  17. You call thaT A DENIAL? by John+Jamieson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cmon, for a PR persn,that is effectivly an admission of guilt, with a statement of "too bad, it is not illegal" tacked on.

    1. Re:You call thaT A DENIAL? by rubato · · Score: 1
      Right on. Of course they "denied" it. When do you ever see a liar admit that they are lying?

      There really ought to be a death penalty for corporations, and it should have been applied to Microsoft long ago, when they were convicted of being abusive monopolists.

    2. Re:You call thaT A DENIAL? by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      You're right, it's a taunt with an extra helping of raspberries.

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  18. Obvious LIES by Skiron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Microsoft has denied sabotaging Mandriva's deal with the Nigerian government..."

    Then why is the Nigerian Government still paying Mandriva for the contract they was happy with (and still appear to be happy with it)? This is so obviously MS bunging them money AFTER they lost the fight, and telling them "Here you are, here is a few million to get rid of that and install Windows - we will pay for the loss".

    1. Re:Obvious LIES by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      And this is bad because? You all seem to take it on faith that people should be outraged. Let's say it's your worse-case scenario - MS paid them and said "use Windows". Why, exactly, is this wrong? Simple answer is it isn't - it's MS's dime, if they want to waste money more power to them.

  19. Business as usual... by glug101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been reading the comments here and the comments on the previous article, and I'm surprised to see something missing.

    Show of hands:
    1. Who knows that Nigeria is an oil producing nation?

    2. Who knows the Nigerian people see barely a thin dime of the money?

    The government of Nigeria has shown itself to be easily corrupted at the expense of the people. See wikipedia and read the part about the government. It's not hard to imagine something crooked going on with this.

    Any word on how M$ is going to avoid massive amounts of pirating of software by unleashing their steaming pile of OS on a 3rd world nation? Or do they just assume that everybody there will pirate the stuff anyway so they just want to "sell" a few licenses in the process?

    1. Re:Business as usual... by ThEATrE · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's interests include having as many copies of Windows flooding the Nigerian market as humanly possible.

    2. Re:Business as usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree. Here in Cambodia, bandwidth is expensive and dvd's are cheap. It is much much harder and more expensive to get a copy of Linux than Windows or OS X (making a comeback with virus frustrated Academics).

      If Microsoft wanted the copies of Windows out of the stores, it could be done. Most books on Cambodia are available as pirated copies, but one book store has exclusive rights to some books, and they disappeared almost overnight. (Incidentally, they are some of the best books available).

      They would just need to pay the police more than the pirates.

      There is also a lot of interest from the Cambodian IT community in moving to Open Source before the World Trade Organizations IP rules are supposed to come into effect in 2012.

      But the vast majority of people are becoming addicted to Windows. It is cheap and easy to get, manuals are available and training institutions get 'corportate sponsorship'.

      If piracy was cracked down on, I am pretty sure people would start to look for alternatives. If a XP/Office package cost about a years salary, wouldn't you?

    3. Re:Business as usual... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      The US is also an oil producing nation.

      The people never get to see any of that money either.

      Exactly the same with Canada, who provides more oil to the US than any other country.

      Your points are ridiculous. Why don't you think about what you are saying first.

    4. Re:Business as usual... by glug101 · · Score: 1

      Your statement of US and Canadian citizens not receiving money from the oil is incorrect. The oil producing companies have to pay money in taxes, and for the rights to deplete a national resource. This tax money then gets spent on running the government and providing security and other public works. This is not the case in the majority of Nigeria, where government officials live in mansions while most of the citizens lack security, proper education, and an effective government.

      The corruption in the US is bad enough, but it doesn't come close to what the Nigerians put up with.

    5. Re:Business as usual... by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The government of Nigeria has shown itself to be easily corrupted at the expense of the people. See wikipedia and read the part about the government. It's not hard to imagine something crooked going on with this.

      Thanks for pointing this out. This is Nigeria, which rates 2.2/10 in Transparency International's corruption perception's index. This places it in 144th place out of 179 listed countries.

      Anything that happens in Nigeria involving a sizeable amount of money will involve corruption and bribery somehow, because in a place like that it's necessary just to make the world go around. That's how the country works, and it's an ingrained into generations of the culture that people in power are expected to abuse their positions. Even before Microsoft was involved, corruption and bribery would have been part of the process just to get the country to accept, allow or purchase PCs for educational purposes at all.

      Relatively transparent governments are a luxury that's mostly restricted to the western world, but it's a foreign concept in a place like Nigeria. It's bad for Mandriva, it's even worse for the people who actually live there, and doing business in the country will continue to be unfair until something changes to address the culture of bribery and corruption.

      I wonder a bit if this is only getting noticed because the tech industry is so new to dealing with corrupt countries. As you pointed out, the oil industry's been doing it for years. People in western countries don't actually care about it as long as they're kept isolated from the details.

  20. Hey Microsoft, give me a choice, please... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Let me choose between Linux, MAC OS-X or you bribing me to use Windows; just like you bribed the vote on document formats.

    Hey Microsoft, are you now starting to realize that you are unable to compete in the marketplace without using the tainted money from your cash-cow monopoly?

    1. Re:Hey Microsoft, give me a choice, please... by Tatsh · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they'll run out of money with so much going towards bribery.

  21. I doubt they are selling licences by Skiron · · Score: 1

    Remember, MS is the crack coke dealer - at first, they don't care if they give it away (as it appears has happened here) as long as they get people 'hooked' and tied in.

    MS would rather somebody use a pirated copy of Windows rather than use another OS.

    This is just usual business for MS - perhaps the most immoral and unethical company ever know in the modern world.

    1. Re:I doubt they are selling licences by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Wrong.

      1. Union Carbide

      2. Monsanto

      3. British East India Company. Well, not exactly modern, but known.

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    2. Re:I doubt they are selling licences by Skiron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps - but they done it and got caught, and now forever under the eye... and other companys see that and be clean... ...BUT MS do it all the time. The buying votes/rigging voting in the ooXML ISO fiasco, which now seems to have brought the whole ISO process to a halt. This latest Nigerian issue. The MS funded BBC DRM iPlayer. SCO case. the list goes on and on and on. Just look at the any of the past dealings MS are involved in and all have the element of unethical and immoral practices. All of them.

      And they don't stop - and never will, as that is the only way MS can compete in the market.

  22. it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... bribery is legal in Nigeria. Not surprising.

  23. New definition by MoogMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Brings a new meaning to the words "Nigerian Scammer".

    1. Re:New definition by xra · · Score: 1

      Brings a new meaning to the words "Nigerian Scammer". Hopefully microsoft got scammed by someone who took the bribe money and made them believe they were going to replace linux by their OS :-)
  24. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by arivanov · · Score: 5, Informative

    12 or so years ago the days I sysadmined in an educational/research outfit in Eastern Europe. There was a 100% correlation between the so called local Microsoft rep for Education knowing about a shipment with Unix kit and the kit stolen at the cargo terminal. This was before the days of CCTV in the cargo areas at Sofia Airport so the interested parties had on the average between 2 and 12 hours to deal with all interesting containers and packages before they went through customs. In order to do that they needed one thing - to know which container is interesting.

    Once we made sure that the aforementioned individual no longer had any information the shipments started arriving unmolested (not counting a dent or two in transit).

    On top of that the aforementioned rep was handing out cracked copies of MSFT products the way drug dealers hand out cocaine laced candy to kids to anyone who wanted them.

    This all continued until the country economy picked up enough. And then, you know the drill... Bill Gates having a meeting with the president on the subject of rampant software piracy and so on. The rep went to work elsewhere and claimed that he never ever had any relation with Microsoft. And so on...

    Nuff said. No further comment necessary.

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  25. It's just "good" business. by vrmlguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've seen cases like this before in the hardware business. Not very often, but it does happen occasionally. After a long hard sales cycle, Neal Nanotech decides to buy something from that hot new startup, Tyrell Corpration. The sales team from Cyberdyne Systems decides that they can't afford to lose NN as a customer, since they'll lose not only future sales and the income from the maintenance contract, but Tyrell will be able to use NN as a refernce in future ad campaigns. So, there's one last big push to a Senior VP, the President, or even the CEO. Typically, Cyberdyne offers a trade-in allowance for all of the Tyrell product at NN's full purchase price, while discounting Cyberdyne's prduct just enough to equal the trade-in. This way, NN isn't out any money (at least not initially) while Cyberdyne avoids violations of any anti-dumping laws. Cyberdyne then sends the brand-new Tyrell products straight to the recycling center. (Or maybe they resell it on eBay, with a good long offer period. "Look here, Mr. Potential Customer! How good can Tyrell's product be if people are dumping unopened boxes of it on eBay?")

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    1. Re:It's just "good" business. by gooman · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is how you know a /.Poll has been up for too long.

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  26. I don't see the problem by Mathness · · Score: 0

    I might have missed something, but I don't see why Mandriva is going out on a limb here. They did sell the computers and OS, Microsoft didn't change that.
    The costumer got what was ordered and then wants to change the OS (seems to be okay when the OS is change to Linux, imagine that). It _is_ their computers, they can more or less do what they want with them now.

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    1. Re:I don't see the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's because they can smell a big huge stinky rat. There had been lengthy trials of both the OLPC and Classmate, and they chose a localised Mandriva PC over all comers from these lenthy trials, satisfied to the point of buying thousands. Then, once the deal is made, sealed and out the door, they decide the lengthy trials where MS competed and lost were wrong, and they needed an additional Microsoft software against their initial recommendations. It just stinks that they were offered the MS version, rejected it for an alternative, went through and purchased the alternative and then went back and changed their minds for additional cost to lock themselves into the MS monopoly.

    2. Re:I don't see the problem by The_DoubleU · · Score: 1

      Because Mandriva can't use this case as a reference anymore.
      They can't go to any potential buyers and show them that the Nigerian Goverment is using Mandriva and is very pleased with it.
      Sure they get some money now, but this might cause them to loose sales in the future.

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    3. Re:I don't see the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, they want to change to windoze because of the bribe M$ paid them. That is unethical. The Micro$oft way.

    4. Re:I don't see the problem by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Oh, Mandriva can still use the deal as a reference with ethical customers.

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    5. Re:I don't see the problem by link5280 · · Score: 1

      Its the future support Mandriva was counting on, that is how Linux Companies make their money. They sell support, because the OS is free. Maybe Niegera realized they got screwed paying for a free OS.

  27. heads up for 2008 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warren Buffett's billions in funny money will turn over to The Gates Foundation in January. Operating under the guise of a 'charity' allows Gates to further his political agenda and heave crates of MS software around without oversight or overhead of needing to show a business case or reporting to the board.


    Look to see MS spinmeisters focusing on licensing costs so that interoperability, standards compliance, flexibility, security and ease of maintenance stay out of the picture.

  28. As much brilliant as a choice between.... by DrYak · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cocaine or Heroine.

    Microsoft let you freely choose to what you'll become addicted.

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  29. Hope every MSFT customer demands the same deal by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, if we generate enough publicity for this deal, may be all the customers of MSFT will start demanding equal treatment with Nigerian Govt. The would demand MSFT to sell its product at the same price Mandriva wold have sold their products. MSFT will tell small companies to just go fly a kite and will quietly cave in to big corporations. Mid level ones will get the deal or not depending on how tightly they are integrated with MSFT tools. But everyone will learn one cold hard fact. The only way to extract a good deal from MSFT is to be less dependent on its products.

    How much Fear Uncertainty, Confusion, Extortion, and Doubt will be needed to maintain the revenue growth? (Someone please give me a good K-word to make a good acronym to upgrade FUD).

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    1. Re:Hope every MSFT customer demands the same deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The would demand MSFT to sell its product at the same price Mandriva wold have sold their products.

      You obviously misunderstand. The Nigerian government is still paying for Mandriva, but now they're also paying for Windows to replace it. If Windows doesn't have a negative price tag, then think for a moment about what their incentive is to do this.

    2. Re:Hope every MSFT customer demands the same deal by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Some Nigerian officials personal bank account got fattened. Nigerian government might or might not have gotten Windows free. What is there to misunderstand?

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    3. Re:Hope every MSFT customer demands the same deal by JW.Axelsen.Sr. · · Score: 1

      How much Fear Uncertainty, Confusion, Extortion, and Doubt will be needed to maintain the revenue growth? (Someone please give me a good K-word to make a good acronym to upgrade FUD).
      you already have it, FUCED
  30. Point: microsoft cares by basiles · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The interesting point is that Microsoft cared to reply to Mandriva. I thought that such a huge mastodonte as Microsoft don't care about small businesses like Mandriva. I find that the mere fact that Microsoft replied something is interesting.

  31. put the fox in charge of the henhouse by AlgorithMan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Microsoft said it believes individuals [...] should be free to choose the software
    saies the company that is multiply convicted for illegally taking user's choice away...
    either the person in charge has no clue about the IT world (in which case he shouldn't be in charge for this decision) or he was bribed - there is no other credible explanation for this step (all of a sudden paying extra for redundant software)
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  32. Why even deny it? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its called business, if you offer a 'sweeter' deal then the next guy, be it by a better products or deeper discounts, you make the sale.

    This is hardly even news.

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    1. Re:Why even deny it? by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Err, there is a mis view regarding to what actually happened. Nigeria ordered computers AND customized software, and the deal was done. Now imagine that the day you are getting computers + custom software you paid for you suddenly decide that you want other software, this is not MS winning an elicitation against Mandriva, this is about a government that orders and pays for something but suddenly decides not to use it for no reason.

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    2. Re:Why even deny it? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      THat happens every day in government. One person makes a poor decision and once its discovered they cancel the contract and back out.

      ( not saying it was a bad decision that was reversed in this case, but the principle is the same )

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    3. Re:Why even deny it? by Kythe · · Score: 1

      It does?

      I work in government, and I don't see my agency suddenly canceling contracts after a full bidding process, unless fraud is discovered.

      Of course, it's also illegal for government workers to take bribes in order to seal a deal. Not to say it doesn't happen, but it's not kosher.

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    4. Re:Why even deny it? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, as they say, caveat emptor.

      It's really about the vendor having a longer planning horizon than the consumer. The vendor's intention is to eliminate his competition then take the cost of doing it out of the consumer's hide later. It doesn't happen so much in competitive industries, but a monopolist can afford to take some short term losses.

      The MS spokesman is saying, in effect, MS is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, to uphold the principle of consumer choice. You don't really believe that MS is forgoing profits without expectation of recouping their costs later, do you?

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    5. Re:Why even deny it? by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      > Its called business, if you offer a 'sweeter' deal then the
      > next guy, be it by a better products or deeper discounts, you make the sale.

      > This is hardly even news.

      Except of course for the fact that apparently Mandriva had already made the 'sweeter' deal because that's what was chosen. Then all of a sudden Nigeria change their minds? The only way that would make sense for Nigeria is if they received money (I.E. bribe) because they already chose and paid Mandriva. It's the only possibility. It has nothing to do with better products or discounts, etc. at this point because Nigeria had _already_decided_ that Mandriva met their needs.

      It's not the sale that's newsworthy, it's the scam.

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  33. Choice? by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Microsoft said it believes individuals, governments and other organizations should be free to choose the software and other technologies that best meet their needs.
    As long as that "free to choose" doesn't include buying a comptuer at local retailers with Linux or no OS.
  34. May I be the first to say by kimvette · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BULLSHIT.

    In one conversation I had with my Nigerian-born business partner (OK stop laughing I'm serious. He's been a naturalized citizen for ten years, is a Christian, the son of a pastor, and I know one of his brothers as well. He's good people.) I learned that it's very much like India multiplied in that no decisions are made without palms being greased. I also learned that Nigerians who come to America will not do business with other Nigerians due to the level of corruption. It's not that all Nigerians are corrupt, it's just that corruption is so pervasive that they don't trust one another.

    (Interesting thing about him: he's very suspicious, is more pro-American than most native-born Americans, gets far more involved in politics than most of us do, and yet when he sees evil going on in this country he doesn't complain. He just laughs and says evil people will do evil things, and what can be accomplished by talking about it and then continues on with his work. As an aside, he's the most productive worker I've ever encountered as well.)

    My guess? Some official initially chose Linux as the sensible solution, and then Microsoft's money greased a high-level official's palms. I don't think it's necessarily Microsoft that did it, but a third party (plausible deniability, elimination of a paper trail involving even swag, etc.) which somehow benefits from the sale of Windows rather than installation of a(n) (inexpensive|free)/free OS.

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    1. Re:May I be the first to say by EvilRyry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It must have been Microsoft. Nearly everyone else in the economy benefits from having an open OS. An open OS allows multiple competitors to play in the same market place which drives innovation and fair prices, I'd like to coin this concept as capitalism. Having Linux around would allow for a Nigerian Linux start-up to emerge and take hold of a decent chunk of the local population rather easily; since the government already uses Linux in the schools the kids would how to use it and the governments information infrastructure will grow with Linux in mind. Linux in general would be a very viable OS in this type of environment. These local compan(y|ies) would provide jobs to the economy, reduce imports and dependence on Microsoft, and possibly even provide an exportable service. It would also be a nice gateway into the technology industry (not sure what they have currently in Nigeria). So in short with Linux, customers benefit, government benefits, economy benefits, everyone but Microsoft walks home happy. This deal was definitely rigged by M$. (Yes, the $ is appropriate in this context.)

    2. Re:May I be the first to say by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Why is this moderated flamebait? Corruption is endemic in a number of African countries. It's one of the main things that is holding those countires back.

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    3. Re:May I be the first to say by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1
      As I pointed out when this was first discussed, (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=346907&cid=21196881), someone's going to have to install 17,000 copies of Windows on these PCs, and there's probably quite a nice little earner in it for them.

      There's no absolute necessity for someone to have been bribed - a very generous discount for the licenses plus the prospect of being able to abstract a chunk of the budget for a nice big Windows installation could have been enough to influence a decision maker without baksheesh changing hands.

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    4. Re:May I be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it's necessarily Microsoft that did it, but a third party
      When I worked in the Gulf, the job title for the bag man was "government relations representative." Every company had one. They received a substantial retainer (a few hundred thousand a year), lived on part of it, and the rest ended up as briefcases of $20 bills or expensive gifts to officials (for example, I recall that tickets to Bangkok were briefly in fashion). It was a challenging job because it was difficult to know where to apply the grease in any particular case: there were competing factions that would block each other's deals and it wasn't feasible to pay everyone off. From what I've heard from people who have worked there, Nigeria is even more corrupt, with some violence and mayhem thrown into the mix. At least the Gulfies were genteel. Sometimes someone would be expelled from the country, but I didn't know of anyone who got beaten or killed in the course of doing business.
    5. Re:May I be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess? Some official initially chose Linux as the sensible solution, and then Microsoft's money greased a high-level official's palms. I don't think it's necessarily Microsoft that did it, but a third party (plausible deniability, elimination of a paper trail involving even swag, etc.) which somehow benefits from the sale of Windows rather than installation of a(n) (inexpensive|free)/free OS.
      It doesn't take a third party or Microsoft money to grese a high level official's palm. Have Balmer do the monkey dance and yell "developers, developers, developers, developers", put his hands on his pits and then shake hands with the official. If Ballmer wants to make the deal more interesting, the battle cry could be "four nineteen, four nineteen, four nineteen, four nineteen."
    6. Re:May I be the first to say by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      So in short with Linux, customers benefit, government benefits, economy benefits, everyone but Microsoft walks home happy. This deal was definitely rigged by M$

      Bzzzt Wrong!

      Hardware manufacturers who get the nice microsoft 5 year obsolecence thing (works best on businesses who upgrade quick, having a driver come out in 5 months doesn't help a company printer)... Software makers who compete against OS products (Photoshop, Trillian, Skype list goes on and on)... Lots of companies are invested in keeping the microsoft monopoly.

      Not that this case isn't MS's doing but lets not assume they're the only possible suspect... Plenty of companies out there with budgets bigger than most countries.

    7. Re:May I be the first to say by dlymper · · Score: 1

      And we should NEVER forget the fact that Mandriva would come with FREE OpenOffice, FREE Gimp, FREE calendar/mail/etc, FREE video/music/multimedia players, FREE antivirus/security applications, FREE servers (DB, web, etc)... It is understandable M$ policy to prevent Low-income Nigerians (especially their next generation) from never touching this stuff.

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    8. Re:May I be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess? Some official initially chose Linux as the sensible solution, and then Microsoft's money greased a high-level official's palms.

      Why is everyone so quick to jump on the bribery angle? Isn't patent blackmail much more likely? Think of all the recent statements by MS execs. Now picture the salesdroid talking to a Nigerian government official:

      "Well, yes, you can buy all those cheap Linux boxes, but you know they use MS patented technology. You could be exposing the Nigerian government to a multi-billion dollar lawsuit... but I'm sure we can give you some kind of bulk discount on MS licences".

      With all the patent sabre-rattling MS has done recently, this seems far more likely to me.

  35. Re: ... any OS you like as long as it's ours by FridayBob · · Score: 2

    (of course sometimes windows is the best option, doesn't mean it is all the time)
    Correction: Windows is never the best option when you compare its price, performance, stability, security and out-of-the-box functionality with any other desktop or server operating system available today. However, it is, unfortunately, often the only option available, especially when it comes to many business applications.
  36. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many companies out there care for what's "best for the user" if it doesn't involve their products?

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  37. American's Pay Twice Too ... by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

    Hey, Microsoft can get us computer users here in North America to pay twice for a computer operating system too. Once for the Vista license, and then a second time for the XP license ...

    At least the Nigerian's only pay Microsoft once!

  38. Err by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    I thought Microsoft was smart enough to avoid making any statement to these regards, I guess I was wrong. Although I feel relieved I am not dependent on their software anymore...

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  39. Re: ... any OS you like as long as it's ours by linuxci · · Score: 1

    (of course sometimes windows is the best option, doesn't mean it is all the time)


    Correction: Windows is never the best option when you compare its price, performance, stability, security and out-of-the-box functionality with any other desktop or server operating system available today. However, it is, unfortunately, often the only option available, especially when it comes to many business applications. That's what I meant :)
  40. Long-term cost and application availability by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    In the previous thread on this issue, someone noted that this choice can in no way benefit the Nigerians, as in Linux you have a larger choice of free/opensource software than in Windows. I think that was an excellent point, and one I'd like the nigerian bigshot who made the decision of removing Linux to replace it with Windows, reply to.

    Unless, of course, everybody involved just assumes that the Windows applications will be pirated. In which case, Microsoft is complacent and at least implicitly endorsing piracy.

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  41. Interpretation by MBHkewl · · Score: 1, Troll

    "We are seeing strong market demand for Windows on low-cost devices to help governments in the areas of education, local innovation, and jobs and opportunity," the Microsoft spokesperson said in the statement.

    - Which market, the US?
    - Low-cost devices demand a low-cost OS, not one that costs the same as the hardware (or more)
    - Education & local innovation by Windows? Most applications are shareware and innovation is killed by OS license & closed source
    - Jobs & opportunity, by demanding technicians for the buggy OS, and demanding that each takes a lame MCSE license to get a job?

    Their own statement stands against them... one just have to look at it from a non-MS angle.

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  42. Sabotage? by FridayBob · · Score: 1

    Who, Microsoft? No, they were just being competitive.

  43. Re:tagged STFU by pintpusher · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure this AC is really trolling. I mean this is pretty much how I feel about it too. They're all a bunch of liars trying to see which one can spin out the right lie to get the sheeple to bend over and take some more. shrug.

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  44. Wire us $$ and we will install your OS by linuxpaul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We know from the letter, that the devices will be shipped with Mandriva Pre-installed. And that Mandriva has already been paid. It also seems likely that money has already changed hands in favor of the Nigerian government to support this "sudden change of heart".

    Now, suppose you are one of the teachers that evaluated, and "qualified" the mandriva solution that comes pre-installed on the laptops, and you get this CD that says "Take 200 hours and install this untested, mystery OS on all 200 of your schools laptops, destroying the one you are already familiar with." How likely are you to actually comply? Will it come to MS deploying goons to ensure the software gets installed?

    From a country that specializes in "Wire us some $$$ and you will be rich", it may be the case that MS marketing drones may be experiencing the joys of an industrial-scale 419 scam.

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    1. Re:Wire us $$ and we will install your OS by CortoMaltese · · Score: 1

      Now, suppose you are one of the teachers that evaluated, and "qualified" the mandriva solution that comes pre-installed on the laptops, and you get this CD that says "Take 200 hours and install this untested, mystery OS on all 200 of your schools laptops, destroying the one you are already familiar with." How likely are you to actually comply? Hey, this looks like a win-win situation to me: Schools get Mandriva systems, government officials get grease money, and suddenly 17.000 copies of Windows show up on eBay!
  45. Mandriva in Nigeria - Microsoft in Africa by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Mandriva - only recently out of bankruptcy - is a small commercial Linux distribution employing less than 150 people world-wide and has perhaps eight million users. Mandriva

    Mandriva didn't have an office in west Africa until January of this year.

    In contrast, Microsoft has hundreds of millions of users world-wide, directly employs 31,000 people abroad and has billions to spend on development projects in Africa and elsewhere in the third world.

    A search of allAfrica.com" returns 1,300 hits for Microsoft and Nigeria in English alone.

    Dismiss as many of these stories as you like as PR. The reality remains that to a Financial Minister, the Minister of Education, a partnership with Microsoft can make very good sense.

    NGLUG, the Nigerian Linux Users Group presents an earnest face. But stories such as these suggest that Linux has a long way to catch up with Microsoft in West Africa:

    Linux girl bags first Novell certification in Nigeria [2005]
    "You are the first Lady CLE in Africa and the first CLE in Nigeria - you have the highest mark so far amongst the other CLE's in Africa including South Africa."

    "Linux Accademy of Nigeria has not started training and I have not found someone who knows when they will start." [August 2007]

  46. And we should believe Microsoft because ... ? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine that they would react any other way, unless it was by just ignoring the accusations. They certainly couldn't admit it.

    OTOH, I'm not sure that "tortous interference with a business relationship" is an international crime, so maybe they *could* have safely admitted it. But if they did I'd imagine it might show up in various legal hearing on illegal monopolies (illegal use of monopoly?).

    MS: Campaigning for the role of most loathed international criminal conspiracy.

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  47. I'd like to be there... by TW+Atwater · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when they realize that those 1 GB Mandriva Classmate PCs will need a 2GB flash chip to run Microsoft crapware.

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  48. Sabotaging? by danielk1982 · · Score: 1

    I think its called competition.

    1. Re:Sabotaging? by batje · · Score: 1

      competition is if they would have won the bid. They didnt, they lost the bid.

      Only after they had lost the bid, and the computers were already shipping, out of the blue, the Nigerians changed their mind. That is not competition, that is a smoking gun, pointing to sabotage.

  49. That law doesn't apply by slashbadger · · Score: 1

    Did you even read your own link? The anti dumping law is written to prevent foreign governments dumping below-cost products into the US market. Last I check, Microsoft isn't a foreign government and Nigeria isn't the US market.

  50. Microsoft by icedcool · · Score: 1

    Is...is that MY hand in the cookie jar?!

    No, I deny it.

    My hand has a strong relationship with the gov...er cookie jar and will continue to partner with said cookie jar and cookies to help meet their needs.

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  51. Wake Up Nigerian Citizens by Sudheer_BV · · Score: 1

    Citizens of Nigeria, see what's happening in your country. Get to know how your tax paid money is spent by your government officials on software licenses. Can your government afford to change decisions after the lengthy evaluation and pay two vendors?

    François could have appealed to the people pf Nigeria in his blog rather than openly accusing Ballmer.

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    1. Re:Wake Up Nigerian Citizens by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Ahahaha. Dude, you crack me up. I'm sure the Nigerian government using Windows over some other OS is really in the top 3 list of "problems Nigerians face". Seriously, you guys are a laugh riot.

  52. Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder, when was the last time I read about a Linux deal of this sort that Microsoft didn't sabotage?

  53. Pervasive psychopathic lack of ethics by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't have any sense of ethics. They have a pervasive psychopathic corporate culture and it starts right at the top. Balmer himself flew to Germany in an effort to sway the IBM/Munchen deal after it was signed with 'special offers', which to me is an attempt at bribery, but a psychopath won't see it that way.

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    1. Re:Pervasive psychopathic lack of ethics by westlake · · Score: 1
      Microsoft doesn't have any sense of ethics. They have a pervasive psychopathic corporate culture and it starts right at the top.

      This kind of language plays well on Slashdot. But government ministers in Asia and Africa aren't reading Slashdot. The one bit of good news in this story for Mandriva.

      You will excuse me for a moment.

      The thought of the Geek lecturing Nigeria and China on corporate - capitalist - ethics has me ROTFL.

  54. Choices, choices.... by Joce640k · · Score: 1


    Option a) Install Linux

    Option b) Install Windows and have lots $$$ appears in your Swiss account

    Take your time, you have a completely free choice....

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  55. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by ThePromenader · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft said it believes individuals, governments and other organizations should be free to choose the software and other technologies that best meet their needs"

    If Microsoft really were for "choice", they would stop swinging deals with computer manufacturers to try to assure that every computer in existence is sold with Windows pre-installed. First-time users don't "choose" - the learn how to use first thing they see when they turn on the computer - and Microsoft knows this very well. In fact, they owe their entire fortune to this tactic. Oh, I'm sure that after the user has spent months "learning" to deal with all Windows' quirks, and after understanding that he won't be able to communicate easily with any other computer that isn't Windows-run (because they all came pre-installed too), that they will feel the "need" to buy Windows product when it comes time to update - but how about giving the consumer the choice before he buys a computer?

    The funniest thing in all this is that there are other just as good (if not better) OS's out there that will work on the same machine for free - now, when striking a deal with a developing country, would this not be in their real interests? But no, Microsoft wants to take its "brainwash and dependency" techniques to even the poorest countries - and make them pay for it just as we did, even if most there can't afford it. There is an expletive-laden post above labelled "flaimbait" that did a perfect job of echoing the thoughts that went through my head after reading the Microsoft "statement".

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  56. Pointiest tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Had to respond to your sig: Behold, I am Man, the pointy tip of the food chain! Gaze upon my opposible thumb and tremble. -- Hugh Neutron

    Nope, the pointiest tip of the food chain is .... Woman.

  57. Re: Nigerian Law by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Nigerian Law is based on British law which has at it's heart "No one is above or below the law" originally from Magna Carta. Older residents of the USA will remember this because they used to have it as well. This is not a case where you can blame an inferior legal system, it's a very similar legal system to what is seen in many states of the USA and almost identical to that of Canada and Australia. Enforcement is a different story in a troubled country.

  58. Unlikely by insomniac8400 · · Score: 1

    Linux is a free download, no one can stop anyone from using it.

    1. Re:Unlikely by westlake · · Score: 1
      Linux is a free download, no one can stop anyone from using it.

      all you need is an affordable connection to the net and the bandwidth to download the ISOs of distros that are increasingly scaled for DVD drives. this is precisely why the steet price of Windows can be cheaper than Linux.

  59. Yah right by lanjoe9 · · Score: 1

    Since that sort of things happen everyday in my country, and non-rich countries are almost always plagued with corruption, I'm sure they bribed them. Absolutely sure. Not that bribing does not occur in rich countries, but I sense governments seem to give a bit more thought to their people's best interest - not much, but I think that largely changes the outcome.

  60. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1, Troll

    Wow! I'm going to make up unrealistic anti-Microsoft stories and post them too with absolutely no supporting evidence!

    7 years ago I was working as a dog walker in Seattle. One day Bill Gates pulled over in his limo and proceeded to kick every single dog in the ribcage while yelling "what's the frequency, Kenneth!?" repeatedly. Then he pulled an infant out of a nearby stroller and use it as a step to get back in his limo! The End.

  61. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

    "they don't care what's best for the user ". Haha. Are you being serious right now? For real - did you just say that and mean it? That's retarded. Of course they don't care what's best for the user, only an idiot would think they did. It's called "business" - look it up. You try to sell your product whether it's the best or not. Good god. Does McDonald's, Coke, Google, Yahoo, Redhat, or any company care what's "best for the user"? Is Redhat going to come in and say "gee, you know, I think you should use Solaris!". Give me an f'ing break.

  62. Re: ... any OS you like as long as it's ours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction: Windows is never the best option when you compare its price, performance, stability, security and out-of-the-box functionality with any other desktop or server operating system available today. However, it is, unfortunately, often the only option available, especially when it comes to many business applications. The only problem I have with your comment is your use of the word "never."

    Windows is often the best option when it comes to applications (new, old, 3rd party, and MS apps) and long term support. To many people, that other stuff you mentioned just isn't that important. Windows is often reasonably priced when bundled with new computers, discounted with upgrade pricing, or volume licensed. Vista's performance and stability is rarely a problem for hardware that's less than three years old (except for PCs with 512MB of RAM) and doesn't suck (beware of VIA "cheapsets"). The functionality of Windows-only applications they already own or plan to buy/download is often more important than "out-of-box" functionality that comes with the OS.

  63. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

    That's terrible! I never cared much for Gates' business practices, but I never thought he was such a horrible person!

    Thank you for sharing with us what that monster is really like. Boycott Microsoft!

  64. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    Nobody changes the world by saying "That's the way it is, nothing ever changes." By encouraging others to accept this corrupt and damaging mindset, you are being a coward. You believe you can't change it so you won't fight for it. Because you won't fight for it you tell yourself anyone would be a fool to do so... then you don't feel like a coward.

    Let me make it clear that you are being one. Never encourage people to accept corruption and live with it.

  65. Re:tagged STFU by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think his delivery is terrible, but his point is very valid. I wanted to mod him up, but there were some comments I just had to reply to.

  66. Unfair mod by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    I lost my ability to mod by replying to a comment on this story - but the parent really doesn't seem to be flamebait. His reasoning is fair and his karma shouldn't suffer. He doesn't use strong language or provocative vocab, either. I think he got shafted.

  67. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft believes in choice?!!??? What utter, complete bullshit.

    If that is so, why can't I walk into any computer retailer and order a computer with my CHOICE of a blank drive, a linux distro, etc.? Could it be that M$ forces OEMs into antichoice agreements?

    Because Microsoft is about as far from being about 'choice' as we are from the centre of the universe...

  68. This deal is not fair. by codingmasters · · Score: 1

    Microsoft should learn their place and get lost.

  69. Strange... by Fenice · · Score: 0

    They're denying to have bribed people? How strange : I believed that they would admit :)

    Of course they won't admit it, unless it can pe proved that someone did it... And if that were the case, I'm sure they would state that some of their employee went beyond their control -- like the bribery case in sweden for the iso acceptance/refusal of the ooxml. They're pretty like that, microsoft's employees : so devoted to their entreprise that they would go against all laws and ethics for their bosses. Yup.

    And after that, it's linux supporters that are called zealots ;)

  70. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by arivanov · · Score: 1

    You have quite obviously never ever met the people who work for it in the third world.

    There is a reason why Microsoft wins most of its market wars in emerging markets ya know. And it is definitely not by playing "fair" and obeying the law. Sometimes it fires in its face (like the case with the teacher from Samara this year), but usually it wins.

    --
    Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
    http://www.sigsegv.cx/
  71. two good outcomes if microsoft does get installed? by speculatrix · · Score: 1
    ok, so, ignoring the ethics of how Microsoft weaselled^Wassisted the change from linux to Windows, there are some possible good outcomes:
    • MS actually manage to produce a new OS which is actually less bloated than their predecessors
    • That the new MS OS proves to be so slow and bloated an insecure, it is dumped in a very public manner bringing shame to MS, and the OLPCs are reloaded with linux, the cost of which has to be born by MS
    I just thought of another...
    • that the whole exercise proves costly enough to MS to visibly dent their balance sheet, upsetting share holders (many/most? of whom are employees) causing their share to start falling, and the evil empire to come crumbling down supported as it is only by rickety chairs


    Sorry, got carried away.
  72. Baited? by link5280 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone stop to think Nigeria is the one pulling the strings here, not MS. I'm sure the Nigerian government was approached by MS before they decided to go with Mandriva. So why would they bait and switch? If they went with MS first they would pay top dollar. So they choose Mandriva to bait MS, then MS comes begging for them to use their OS. My guess MS gave them some sweet deal, either support and/or reduced or free software. Nigeria is not a innocent country by any means, they are one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. No matter what you think of MS Nigeria is worse! Also, don't play the sympathy card "they are a developing nation". They are a developing nation because their government is corrupt from the all the oil money they take.

  73. Dumped price per unit: Negative $23.52 by thinker22 · · Score: 1

    $400,000 marketing fee paid to Microsoft "Partner" in Nigeria divided by 17,0000 units. Looks like a clear case of dumping, which is against the law in the United States -- one of the companies that Microsoft operates under. The competition law in Nigeria is unknown -- probably UK competition law from the time of independence, and seldom enforced.

  74. M$ reportedly paid $400,000 as a marketing fee by thinker22 · · Score: 1

    I believe that in the United States, assuming that the above report is true, it would be easier to prove dumping as the marketing fee would make the cost of the provided software negative $23 per unit. The marketing fee is a thin disguise for providing the units at negative cost, even if the charge per unit is the developing country (anticompetitive) price of $10 per unit that was supplied in Thailand and the like.

  75. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    Tell you what. Give me one piece of supporting evidence. ONE PIECE. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and considering the entire story gospel. But as is, all you're doing is weaving horror stories in front of the campfire-- sorry, I'm not the kind of believe in urban legends.

  76. Re:You can have any OS you like as long as it's ou by arivanov · · Score: 1

    I suggest you check with the Humboldt foundation and ask them exactly what happened with the Aphaservers they tried to ship to the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences in July 1998 and the full list of people who knew about their arrival as well as their affiliation. Nuff said. Have a nice day.

    --
    Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
    http://www.sigsegv.cx/
  77. fumiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bande de fumiers
    quels salopards de voleurs ces Kro$oftiens

  78. MACKENZIE MORGAN NAKED & PETRIFIED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Beautiful Mackenzie (an Actual Girl):

    I'd like to sneak up behind you and start fondling you violently and then as you struggle to try to escape I'll take a scientifically-proven magic petrification ray from my bag and zap you with it, and it would first disintegrate all your clothing, leaving you gloriously naked, then it would start the process of transforming your body into marble, inducing in you a massive magically-induced which would be captured eternally as your body is turned into solid stone from the feet up to the head gradually, freezing your final moan of ecstasy as you become a beautiful, cold lifeless statue, but with your mind still alive inside the statue, aware of everything that happens to you. I would put you in display in art museums so that everyone could admire your spectacular naked & petrified teen body, then I would put you on a pedestal in my apartment and admire you constantly, and climb up on the pedestal and make love to your stony form, getting my penis raw & red from the friction, and covering your beautiful hard marble skin with my spooge, my beloved naked-and-petrified queen.

    (NOTE: This is just a fantasy; I would not actually do this.)

    p.s. I like masturbating to your Blogspot picture