But I strongly suspected this already. Most people who actually analyzed the situation and the LAW thought it was a strong possibility.
Unfortunately, every time I attempted to discuss the actual LAW, I (and others) were shouted down (and modded down) by the "WHARGARBLL FUCK BUSH BLAHGHGHG!!" crowd, who'd rather not have their prejudices disproven.
Things can be legal, and still be intrusive and wrong on a moral level.
Perhaps in the future, all of you who screamed "Illegal wiretaps!!!!" at the top of your lungs will take the time to listen.
PS, I think it's shitty too, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Ah the old "I have been proven wrong so I'll call him a troll" play. How obvious and expected.
So what if I am a troll, you STILL lied, you were STILL wrong and YOU"LL STILL "NEVER admit it, you're a cowardly piece of shit, and we both know you're not man enough to own up."
See, when your response to being proven a liar and shown to be wrong is to call someone a "troll", it's pretty clear you know you got STFU.
"You seem to be unaware what the meaning of the word lie means so I thought I should take the opportunity to educate you. For something to be a lie intent is required, a false statement without intent to deceive is simply a false statement."
Funny how in all that spew you totally forgot to apologize for "being factually incorrect" and trolling me because you weren't diligent enough to read the whole thread.
Since you also appear to be stupid, I'll fix your ignorance about lying too
"Fabrication A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Examples of fabrication: "The dog ate my homework", or "I did unplug the iron".
OOPS! You were wrong again (I'll be charitable and not point out that you were also lying again).
"You're behaving like a classic troll, you dismiss all facts other people bring to the table due to lack of evidence, then you do the exact same thing you claim your opponents are doing, which is claim fact without any citation at all."
That is a lie.
"You claim you're unbiased while clearly only supporting the israeli side of the argument, how ludicrous is that. "
You're lying, apparently too stupid to read the entire thread.
Re:Irrelevant (Score:1) by ragnathor (955771) on Saturday January 10, @01:23PM (#26399971)
Agreed. Unfortunately, it's a desperate situation. It's easy for you to sit there from your computer and think about the best possible action, but when you harassed daily by soldiers when you walk to school, your aunt was killed in "collateral damage", etc, you get desperate.
Of course firing rockets into random pockets of Israel is wrong/useless. Israel's daily harassment of the Palestinians through this 40 year occupation does take its toll and is responsible for the frustration of the Palestinians. There was a time, for years, when the Palestinian protests were essentially non-violent. Israel and her interests have been very adept at controlling and countering any goodwill that comes out of those protests, and has continued occupying/colonizing Palestinian land for decades.
Again, I am not justifying firing random rockets. Both sides are wrong, Hamas just as much as Israel. Reply to This Parent Re:Irrelevant by ragnathor (Score:1) Totally agree (Score:1) by GuloGulo (959533) on Saturday January 10, @01:32PM (#26400051)
I agree with pretty much everything you've said there.
My point from the beginning was to question the efficacy of the current protests versus non-violent protests and their history of success.
I strongly suspect the situation would be much different if the Palestinians were able to mount an effective campaign of non-violence.
If nothing else, the equivocation from people who support Israel would vanish, and the Palestinians would look like the victims they are.
I POSTED THAT.
And it COMPLETELY refutes your lie.
Of course, you'll never admit it even though I proved you were a lying imbecile.
That is lying, no matter how you equivocate to pretend you weren't caught lying.
"I look forward to continuing to post facts in this discussion without your responses of calling people "fucking morons" and stating "you fail" when you see something that is wrong."
FYP
And if the epithet fits, sorry, but it fits. Don't blame me becuase you're a lying moron.
"But just to think what they could do to me in USA airports... who knows, maybe I would end killing myself while handcuffed in a closed room at the airport.. you know, those things happen."
"I'm travelling from Auckland to Halifax, CA later this year. This 'trivial bit of beauracracy' has made me decide to travel via Vancouver rather than via LA.
Of course you can dismiss me as a liar if I'm telling you something you don't want to hear."
I'd rather you learn to read so your realize why your response has fuckall to do with this story and what I was talking about.
And honestly, my point stands, if you're too much of a whiny crybaby fuck to deal with this, then good riddance, we've got enough whiny crybaby fucks here as it is.
"I have many friends that live internationally, and several family members. Eight years ago, was common to get three or four visits a year. Within four years, it became one a year (they came for my wedding). Since then nothing, because of crap like this."
No guy, they just realized you're an asshole and are makign excuses.
Lastly, I'll speak for WHOEVER THE FUCK I WANT WHENEVER THE FUCK I WANT AND YOU CAN'T DO A SINGLE FUCKING THING TO STOP ME
So now YOU fuck off, I have to get back to your mom.
"Form Canada to South Africa, Vietnam, Namibia, all of Western Europe. You name it."
That's not all around the world.
"Your immigration procedures are only comparable to those in Vietnam, a communist dictatorship."
I see, you think Canada, South Africa, Namibia, Vietnam, and Western Europe equals "all around the world" and are ALSO stupid enough to use the hadful of countries you've been to as some kind of metric.
ALL of the Middle east is worse. China is worse. Israel is worse. North Africa is worse. Italy is worse. Most of Eastern Europe is worse. ALL of Russia is worse. The list goes on, but that's MOST of the world.
In short, YOU HAVEN'T TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD, YOU COMPARISON IS MORONIC, AND YOU'RE A LYING IDIOT
"Every time I flight back home your country loses an average of $1500 that it would gain if the intrusive bureaucracy wasn't so unreasonable."
As I said, you're a lying sack who think his handfull of countries equates to some kind of useful sample.
If yo uhonestly think pretending makes your point, please continue, but frankly, you're full of shit and we both know it.
On a different note, this is a sad day for those owning AAPL shares - expect them to plunge even further than they have over the past year.
No.
If the company is sound, this will be a short term drop follwed by a recovery. If you own shares, and think AAPL is sound without Jobs, then selling makes no sense. Instead, you should be buying the discounted shares in anticipation of a recovery, which is what strong companies do.
On the other hand, if you think AAPL is not strong without Jobs, then WTF were you doing buying AAPL in the first place?
In short, you are making the same mistake all amateurs make.
And no, I'm not a pro, but this point has been emphasized enough, and proven accurate enough, that I take it as correct.
"This is a fallacy. If he cares about not handing over his fingerprints to foreign Governments, that doesn't imply he doesn't care about going to the country. On the contrary, if he didn't care about going, why would he care about the requirements?"
Because some people really do hate what they consider privacy restrictions imposed by the government.
Of course, that makes your entire post wrong, but hey lok on the bright side, you said all the right stuff to get the retards here to mod you up, even though you were irrefutably wrong.
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I'll revisit this at closing, and I'll still be right.
People like you never think someone else might be better at this than you, but I am and now you know it.
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Hmm, Looks like I was EXACTLY RIGHT.
Where's the snide comment now boy?
"captured and forwareded ALL the traffic on the network, therefore also capturing and copying YOUR conversations and emails with YOUR MOM."
My mom is dead you insensitive clod!!!
No, really, she died.
I don't give two shakes about the children.
But I strongly suspected this already. Most people who actually analyzed the situation and the LAW thought it was a strong possibility.
Unfortunately, every time I attempted to discuss the actual LAW, I (and others) were shouted down (and modded down) by the "WHARGARBLL FUCK BUSH BLAHGHGHG!!" crowd, who'd rather not have their prejudices disproven.
Things can be legal, and still be intrusive and wrong on a moral level.
Perhaps in the future, all of you who screamed "Illegal wiretaps!!!!" at the top of your lungs will take the time to listen.
PS, I think it's shitty too, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Might want to post a link to the definition, you've lied about definitions (and other things) before.
"You're hilarious 10/10 troll points."
Ah the old "I have been proven wrong so I'll call him a troll" play. How obvious and expected.
So what if I am a troll, you STILL lied, you were STILL wrong and YOU"LL STILL "NEVER admit it, you're a cowardly piece of shit, and we both know you're not man enough to own up."
See, when your response to being proven a liar and shown to be wrong is to call someone a "troll", it's pretty clear you know you got STFU.
You're a bitch, and you know it.
"You seem to be unaware what the meaning of the word lie means so I thought I should take the opportunity to educate you. For something to be a lie intent is required, a false statement without intent to deceive is simply a false statement."
Funny how in all that spew you totally forgot to apologize for "being factually incorrect" and trolling me because you weren't diligent enough to read the whole thread.
Since you also appear to be stupid, I'll fix your ignorance about lying too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
"Fabrication
A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Examples of fabrication: "The dog ate my homework", or "I did unplug the iron".
OOPS! You were wrong again (I'll be charitable and not point out that you were also lying again).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie
1 b: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker
OOPS! you're STILL wrong. NO INTENT REQUIRED.
So, you lied. The fact that you posted what you THINK a lie is changes nothing because you were ignorant about that too.
Of course, you'll NEVER admit it, you're a cowardly piece of shit, and we both know you're not man enough to own up.
Go ahead, run and hide, you're a bitch and that what lying bitches do.
"And honestly, I don't care what you think about it"
Learn to read before you post.
You'll save yourself time and embarrasment.
"Buying tomorrow he stands a good chance of giving away a nice piece of profit"
FYP.
"He's got the guts to make a slightly riskier investment, but he's not doing anything foolish"
It's not going to rebound immediately, so yes he is.
And honestly, I don't care what you think about it, I'm right and I know it.
"Personally, I'll probably give it a week to see how bad a hit it takes, THEN buy."
He said he'd be buying ,tomorrow.
Perhaps if you consider EXACTLY what was said, you'd realize you're making my point.
And I agree with you, I wouldn't buy TOMORROW, I'd wait a few days.
"Boom headshot! Now I win and you're the loser.
See how that works?"
Yeah, I post something intelligent, you make yourself look like a fucking idiot.
At least, that's how it's worked up to this point.
And just so we're clear, it's about the cause not the person. Shoot the cause in the head you drooling imbecile.
Funny, every time I see you post, what follows is proof that you must be the saddest, least socially succesful person not to off themselves.
Hopefully you'll man up and finally get the job done.
"You're behaving like a classic troll, you dismiss all facts other people bring to the table due to lack of evidence, then you do the exact same thing you claim your opponents are doing, which is claim fact without any citation at all."
That is a lie.
"You claim you're unbiased while clearly only supporting the israeli side of the argument, how ludicrous is that. "
You're lying, apparently too stupid to read the entire thread.
"I did not lie about you."
You made a statement that is demonstrably false.
That is lying, no matter how you equivocate to pretend you weren't caught lying.
"I look forward to continuing to post facts in this discussion without your responses of calling people "fucking morons" and stating "you fail" when you see something that is wrong."
FYP
And if the epithet fits, sorry, but it fits. Don't blame me becuase you're a lying moron.
"In English, swearing and screaming is often associated with violent personality traits. "
No, that's just what YOU,/b> think because you're small minded. That said, I've been typing, so "screaming" is impossible.
"So it is reasonable to assume you would not practice what you preach."
Well, I've been preaching nonviolent resistance throughout this thread, so that comment seems to directly contradict your assertion.
How fucking stupid are you?
"But just to think what they could do to me in USA airports... who knows, maybe I would end killing myself while handcuffed in a closed room at the airport.. you know, those things happen."
We can only hope.
"I'm travelling from Auckland to Halifax, CA later this year. This 'trivial bit of beauracracy' has made me decide to travel via Vancouver rather than via LA.
Of course you can dismiss me as a liar if I'm telling you something you don't want to hear."
I'd rather you learn to read so your realize why your response has fuckall to do with this story and what I was talking about.
And honestly, my point stands, if you're too much of a whiny crybaby fuck to deal with this, then good riddance, we've got enough whiny crybaby fucks here as it is.
I wasn't assuming.
Fuck off now.
"You, my fellow American, can fuck right off."
Let me climb off your mother first.
"I have many friends that live internationally, and several family members. Eight years ago, was common to get three or four visits a year. Within four years, it became one a year (they came for my wedding). Since then nothing, because of crap like this."
No guy, they just realized you're an asshole and are makign excuses.
Lastly, I'll speak for WHOEVER THE FUCK I WANT WHENEVER THE FUCK I WANT AND YOU CAN'T DO A SINGLE FUCKING THING TO STOP ME
So now YOU fuck off, I have to get back to your mom.
"I have travelled all around the world."
So have I.
"Form Canada to South Africa, Vietnam, Namibia, all of Western Europe. You name it."
That's not all around the world.
"Your immigration procedures are only comparable to those in Vietnam, a communist dictatorship."
I see, you think Canada, South Africa, Namibia, Vietnam, and Western Europe equals "all around the world" and are ALSO stupid enough to use the hadful of countries you've been to as some kind of metric.
ALL of the Middle east is worse. China is worse. Israel is worse. North Africa is worse. Italy is worse. Most of Eastern Europe is worse. ALL of Russia is worse. The list goes on, but that's MOST of the world.
In short, YOU HAVEN'T TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD, YOU COMPARISON IS MORONIC, AND YOU'RE A LYING IDIOT
"Every time I flight back home your country loses an average of $1500 that it would gain if the intrusive bureaucracy wasn't so unreasonable."
As I said, you're a lying sack who think his handfull of countries equates to some kind of useful sample.
If yo uhonestly think pretending makes your point, please continue, but frankly, you're full of shit and we both know it.
Yes.
Why are you acting surprised whenyou know it's true?
No.
If the company is sound, this will be a short term drop follwed by a recovery. If you own shares, and think AAPL is sound without Jobs, then selling makes no sense. Instead, you should be buying the discounted shares in anticipation of a recovery, which is what strong companies do.
On the other hand, if you think AAPL is not strong without Jobs, then WTF were you doing buying AAPL in the first place?
In short, you are making the same mistake all amateurs make.
And no, I'm not a pro, but this point has been emphasized enough, and proven accurate enough, that I take it as correct.
Perhaps in your haste you failed to read what you were responding to, but he asked "which amendment" added it "to the constitution".
Your link has fuck all to do with that, as you totally missed the point that IT WASN'T ADDED TO THE CONSTITUTION.
So apart from being factually incorrect and oblivious to how the Constitution is changed, yours was a nice post.
And not the kind from Motley Fool either.
"AAPL
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The after hours drop is said to be directly attributed to Jobs health, according to pundits.
I am not a pundit, but I agree with their assessment.
"This is a fallacy. If he cares about not handing over his fingerprints to foreign Governments, that doesn't imply he doesn't care about going to the country. On the contrary, if he didn't care about going, why would he care about the requirements?"
Because some people really do hate what they consider privacy restrictions imposed by the government.
Of course, that makes your entire post wrong, but hey lok on the bright side, you said all the right stuff to get the retards here to mod you up, even though you were irrefutably wrong.