"Firstly, the heritage foundation is an extreme libertarian organization that I suspect massages figures to support their worldview"
Hey look, your first point is an ad hominem. Sad.
The numbers are the numbers, leave the ad hominems out please. If you can refute the numbers, then do so, but save the name calling, it's embarrassing for you.
The problem has never been the idea that this is welfare for the non-working, but welfare in the form of an income tax check for people WHO PAY NO INCOME TAXES.
That's a bad idea no matter what you think.
As to your "point" about business (and why is it always "big" business, and "big" pahrma, wy are you people so afraid to debate without the pejorative scare words?) did it ever occur to you that we know th ax cuts are income redistribution? Did it ever occur to you that the reason no one makes that point is because the income redistribution isn't "taking from the rich and giving to the poor" but rather "not requiring businesses to pay tax that can oterwise be used t creat jobs and give promotions and bonuses"?
In the first, you take from individuals and give to other individuals who have less.
In the second, you allow businesses to avoid paying taxes with the expectation that they will use that money to grow in ways beneficial to the worker.
The two things are so fundamentally different that if you honestly can't tell the difference, you don't belong in the discussion.
I thought proper music was live bands? Oh, then it was wax cylinders I think. Isn't it vinyl these days, with CDs being the product of the anti-christ?
It's a good thing we have people like you to tell us what proper music is.
"You know. This is getting boring. I asked three times for you to bother giving an actual reference. "
And I did, you just bitched about having to read it, it's TOOOO LOOONG!
"By now it's obvious..."
That you're a lying troll who'll do anything to avoid admitting he was wrong? We know, we've watched you make an ass of yourself doing just that for days.
"You could've saved yourself a lot of effort just saying so though."
And you could have avoided making a fool of yourself by admitting you'd rather remain ignorant that read.
THAT is the truth. I gave you a reference which you have admitted you WOULD NOT READ then you lie and say "By now it's obvious you're not doing that because there is none." in spite of the link you have admitted looking at but not reading.
This guy behaves like a childish twat, attacks my reading comprehension, then you mod ME down for pointing out he's throwing stones while living in a glass house?
"But don't let a lack of reading comprehension..."
Three things
1. That bolded part is wrong. I know what you meant from the beginning, it was just wrong. It is perfectly possible to kick with just willpower, stop assuming you're right because you aren't smart enough to parse the argument.
2. It's "irrelevant" not "irreverent", so save your assessment of my reading comprehension Mr. Merriam-Webster.
3. "I'm sure to you spouting off is a bit of an addition in itself" is neither grammatically correct nor contextually relevant.
So, if you plan to criticize reading comprehension, make sure your composition isn't at the level of a 1st grader. However, that seems to be the level you at which you operate so perhaps you simply have no choice.
Ahha what kind of fucking loser are you that you track down a week old post to mod down?
Keep it coming cocksucker, my karma won't run out before your mod points, you twat.
How fucking sad that you are so devoid of intelligent opinions that you have to waste mod points in a place where they serve no purpose but to demonstrate how pathetic and empty your life is, as you seemingly have time to peruse old worthless stories making useless moderations.
Addiction is a matter of willpower. Find me an addict who has kicked and stayed clean for a length of time who doesn't directly reference their own willingness to quit as a determinant.
That doesn't mean it's only about willpower, but your claim simply has no merit.
It's nowhere near the length of an encyclopedia, so I find your disingenuous attempts to portray it as such even more telling.
You know you're wrong and are embarassing yourself trying to find an excuse to avoid confirming it.
Frankly, you sound petulant and silly, especially with your "show me or shut up" nonsense.
You have proven making excuses and remaining ignorant ismore important to you than having the facts.
And before you whine like a 6 year old about reading something cause it's "too long and hard" for you, keep in mind you would have been able to finish it in the time it's taken you to post your ridiculous excuses.
It must suck to know you're wrong and have "no, I'm not reading the proof that I'm wrong, it's too loooooong! Waaaaaaahhhhh!!!" as your argument for not admitting it.
It is a reference by any measure. I find it sad, but telling, that you need to blame your decision to remain ignorant on there being too much information for you.
Not surprising as you are clearly very heavily emotionally invested in your biases, but sad.
"I'd rather remain ignorant than read."
That is what you just said. How can an intelligent person be proud of that position like you are?
"Even so, I'd be curious about the background for your claim that if we include private aid then the US "crushes" everyone. Where do you find numbers that support that claim ? "
In that PDF you didn't read.
"Where do you find numbers that support that claim ? Is it anywhere in the pdf you refer to ? A short glance didn't seem to turn it up, and I can't be bothered to do your homework for you."
Well, I gave you the reading material, how is your own willingness to continue being ignorant because you're too lazy to read material you were given "my homework" and not "your belligerence"?
It's there, read it or don't, you're not less wrong because you ignore the proof that makes you wrong.
"But sooner or later an accountant in Redmond is going to step up and say that they can't keep doing it."
This is not in line wioth reality, as MS has been essentially "giving windows away" (in the form of unpoliced piracy) for years, and the consensus is that it has actually helped them rather than hurting them.
Slashdot Mirror
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/08/05/multitasking.focus/
http://www.shmula.com/375/multi-tasking-leads-to-lower-productivity
"Firstly, the heritage foundation is an extreme libertarian organization that I suspect massages figures to support their worldview"
Hey look, your first point is an ad hominem. Sad.
The numbers are the numbers, leave the ad hominems out please. If you can refute the numbers, then do so, but save the name calling, it's embarrassing for you.
Wait, you're asking for statistics to demonstrate that bums can call 911? You're the one claiming they won't so you pony up the stats.
And their fear doesn't change anything about the availability of help, just their willingness.
And no, I was focusing on the fact that your points were lies, and your scatter brained non-sequitur response did nothing to refute that.
It's funny to see you wig out about getting caught lying though.
So bums can't call 911 and benefit from police protection?
Funny, tell the cops that, they seem to disagree.
Why would you lie like that?
The problem has never been the idea that this is welfare for the non-working, but welfare in the form of an income tax check for people WHO PAY NO INCOME TAXES.
That's a bad idea no matter what you think.
As to your "point" about business (and why is it always "big" business, and "big" pahrma, wy are you people so afraid to debate without the pejorative scare words?) did it ever occur to you that we know th ax cuts are income redistribution? Did it ever occur to you that the reason no one makes that point is because the income redistribution isn't "taking from the rich and giving to the poor" but rather "not requiring businesses to pay tax that can oterwise be used t creat jobs and give promotions and bonuses"?
In the first, you take from individuals and give to other individuals who have less.
In the second, you allow businesses to avoid paying taxes with the expectation that they will use that money to grow in ways beneficial to the worker.
The two things are so fundamentally different that if you honestly can't tell the difference, you don't belong in the discussion.
I thought proper music was live bands? Oh, then it was wax cylinders I think. Isn't it vinyl these days, with CDs being the product of the anti-christ?
It's a good thing we have people like you to tell us what proper music is.
So, um, look it up. You know, google it, or maybe wikipedia?
But let's be honest, you just wanted to chime in about "undeserved ad revenue" didn't you?
"You know. This is getting boring. I asked three times for you to bother giving an actual reference. "
And I did, you just bitched about having to read it, it's TOOOO LOOONG!
"By now it's obvious..."
That you're a lying troll who'll do anything to avoid admitting he was wrong? We know, we've watched you make an ass of yourself doing just that for days.
"You could've saved yourself a lot of effort just saying so though."
And you could have avoided making a fool of yourself by admitting you'd rather remain ignorant that read.
THAT is the truth. I gave you a reference which you have admitted you WOULD NOT READ then you lie and say "By now it's obvious you're not doing that because there is none." in spite of the link you have admitted looking at but not reading.
You lost liar. You have no more arguments.
This guy behaves like a childish twat, attacks my reading comprehension, then you mod ME down for pointing out he's throwing stones while living in a glass house?
FUCK YOU.
"99.99% - yes."
Then why have so many people posted and said otherwise?
Oh, it's because you're wrong.
"Free(libre) software is also open source"
No. I am using free software right now that isn't open source.
"For more detail, see any of RMS's sermons on the matter."
Hell no.
"Actually, admitting powerlessness and ceding control to a "higher power" is the basis of most 12-step programs."
Actually, most 12 step programs aren't as effective as quitting cold turkey.
Not that they'd admit it, but the research is pretty conclusive.
Someday an AC will post and not make a total as of itself.
Someday perhaps, but not today.
"Pray you never learn differently"
Were I not an atheist, I still wouldn't have to, as I HAVE WILLPOWER.
Bye!
"But don't let a lack of reading comprehension..."
Three things
1. That bolded part is wrong. I know what you meant from the beginning, it was just wrong. It is perfectly possible to kick with just willpower, stop assuming you're right because you aren't smart enough to parse the argument.
2. It's "irrelevant" not "irreverent", so save your assessment of my reading comprehension Mr. Merriam-Webster.
3. "I'm sure to you spouting off is a bit of an addition in itself" is neither grammatically correct nor contextually relevant.
So, if you plan to criticize reading comprehension, make sure your composition isn't at the level of a 1st grader. However, that seems to be the level you at which you operate so perhaps you simply have no choice.
Quite informative my hairy behind, it rehashes information I personally looked up the first time I noticed this problem.
5 years ago.
The only novel part of the article is the iPhone, and that information is easily discerned with common sense.
"Someone who won't feel the craving for the rest of their life, not just someone who's learned to fight it"
So you're saying I won't be able to find anyone who was able to kick their addiction without requiring the willpower to fight it daily?
I know that, thanks for making my point.
As to the "merely", its presence doesn't make your point less wrong, nor mine less correct.
Why are you getiing pissy just because I proved you wrong? It's very childish.
Ahha what kind of fucking loser are you that you track down a week old post to mod down?
Keep it coming cocksucker, my karma won't run out before your mod points, you twat.
How fucking sad that you are so devoid of intelligent opinions that you have to waste mod points in a place where they serve no purpose but to demonstrate how pathetic and empty your life is, as you seemingly have time to peruse old worthless stories making useless moderations.
Keep proving me right.
Addiction is a matter of willpower. Find me an addict who has kicked and stayed clean for a length of time who doesn't directly reference their own willingness to quit as a determinant.
That doesn't mean it's only about willpower, but your claim simply has no merit.
It's nowhere near the length of an encyclopedia, so I find your disingenuous attempts to portray it as such even more telling.
You know you're wrong and are embarassing yourself trying to find an excuse to avoid confirming it.
Frankly, you sound petulant and silly, especially with your "show me or shut up" nonsense.
You have proven making excuses and remaining ignorant ismore important to you than having the facts.
And before you whine like a 6 year old about reading something cause it's "too long and hard" for you, keep in mind you would have been able to finish it in the time it's taken you to post your ridiculous excuses.
It must suck to know you're wrong and have "no, I'm not reading the proof that I'm wrong, it's too loooooong! Waaaaaaahhhhh!!!" as your argument for not admitting it.
I guess the truth hurt so much you had to track me down huh?
Good. It's nice to know you realize what you did was so embarassing for you that you have to censor any criticism of your stupid moderation.
I won and you know it. Sorry loser, but you can't censor that away.
It is a reference by any measure. I find it sad, but telling, that you need to blame your decision to remain ignorant on there being too much information for you.
Not surprising as you are clearly very heavily emotionally invested in your biases, but sad.
"I'd rather remain ignorant than read."
That is what you just said. How can an intelligent person be proud of that position like you are?
Thank for the translation, but I already had it. As you and others, the translation is suspect.
That being said, neither russian word for "free" means open source as it is normally used.
So thanks for the translation and assuming I needed it when I didn't , but someone beat you to it and it still doesn't answer my question.
"Even so, I'd be curious about the background for your claim that if we include private aid then the US "crushes" everyone. Where do you find numbers that support that claim ? "
In that PDF you didn't read.
"Where do you find numbers that support that claim ? Is it anywhere in the pdf you refer to ? A short glance didn't seem to turn it up, and I can't be bothered to do your homework for you."
Well, I gave you the reading material, how is your own willingness to continue being ignorant because you're too lazy to read material you were given "my homework" and not "your belligerence"?
It's there, read it or don't, you're not less wrong because you ignore the proof that makes you wrong.
"An AC who might be right eventually...the sky is falling"
Good thing you closed your tag, some brain dead twit might mistake your post for being "offtopic" if you didn't.
"But sooner or later an accountant in Redmond is going to step up and say that they can't keep doing it."
This is not in line wioth reality, as MS has been essentially "giving windows away" (in the form of unpoliced piracy) for years, and the consensus is that it has actually helped them rather than hurting them.
What makes you think this will be any different?