Depressed Astronauts Might Get Computerized Solace

alphadogg writes "Clinical tests on a four-year, $1.74 million project for NASA, called the Virtual Space Station, are expected to begin in the Boston area by next month. The effort is designed to address the onset of depression in astronauts while they are in outer space. In the project, sponsored by the National Space Biomedical Research Institute, a recorded video therapist guides astronauts through a widely used depression therapy called 'problem-solving treatment.'" Here's a related story from a few weeks ago. Those astronauts got it rough.

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Depressed astronauts?

[BadAnalogyGuy]

This morning I read about a dog that was put on antidepressants. I thought to myself about how hard it must be to be a dog. Wake up whenever you want. Get fed at regular intervals. The only job requirement is that you show a modicum of glee when your owner is around. What does a dog get depressed about?

People who have the best job in the world (and out of this world) really don't get much sympathy from me when they complain about the job.

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[Spazztastic]

And furthermore depression is evident when working in close proximity with others. There's no escape, you can't go and do anything really private. Hell, how are you supposed to do something as simple as crank out out when you have to worry about catching it all or it may jam an instrument panel?

Best job in the world? I disagree. I'd rather win the lottery and do nothing for the rest of my years then be an astronaut. That is if I could choose :)

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[Anonymous Coward]

Depression is not always about something. That's the thing. Sometimes people just feel like total shit without there being a clear reason for it.

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[dattaway]

People who have the best job in the world (and out of this world) really don't get much sympathy from me when they complain about the job.

Never underestimate several people in a small capsule farting over many days. Sometimes depression will make your eyes burn.

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[jonas_sten]

After a while you would become depressed because your money is the wrong color. man have simply not evolved to be happy. depression is clearly not a new fad. People hated their jobs in the 12th century and still do.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

Depends on the dog. Some are real working breeds, as most herder dogs, like the Border Collies, some are bred as guard dogs. If they don't do those jobs they can get pretty neurotic, rounding up little kids in the neighborhood or not letting anyone near the property they're on.

Some dogs just become anxiety ridden when left alone and tear into the furniture, bedding. whatever to relieve themselves.

You might even find the term "Prozac Puppies" on the Wiki.

As regards the astronauts, think again about what kind of job they're facing, maybe on a trip to Mars. 3 or 4 years in close proximity to the same small set of people, no privacy, pretty much every moment programmed for you, in a small capsule where you don't even have the luxury of floating on a sea surface in an atmosphere waiting to see if someone can rescue if something goes wrong. This isn't Buck Rogers astronauts, this is Kon Tiki astronauts.

They have plenty to get depressed about.

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[Chyeld]

Dear me, what a quaint and outdated view of what depression is and how it works. Are you one of those people who assume that addiction is merely a matter of will power? Or are you and Tom Cruise shacking up together to discuss the fallacies of modern psychology.

Thank you for reminding us how people treated the ill back in the 1800's.

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[Vellmont]

Wake up whenever you want. Get fed at regular intervals. The only job requirement is that you show a modicum of glee when your owner is around. What does a dog get depressed about?

Dogs are not people (or specifically, not you) and they don't share what you out of life. The breeds we have were bred for certain jobs like herding, hunting, or killing vermin. In general they weren't bred to be companion dogs. They desperately want to do this job and without that fulfillment, they have problems. I don't know if that specifically can cause depression, but I could see it.

I guess my point is, without actually having BEEN a dog or an Astronaut on a space station, it's difficult to know exactly what they go through. So I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

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[MindKata]

"After a while you would become depressed because your money is the wrong color. man have simply not evolved to be happy. depression is clearly not a new fad. People hated their jobs in the 12th century and still do."

An alternative interpretation would be, a job acts like a cage (retricting what you can think and do) and a caged animal feels depression, at lack of freedom. So its not that people are or are not evolved to be happy, its that people are not evolved to be caged in a job.

Sounds like its time you found a new cage! :) ... while its still a cage, the new surroundings may make it feel like a better cage.... that is, until you can find a way to live without the need of a cage... I'm still looking for the answer to that one, like most people. :)

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[speroni]

One thing that I know causes depression, or attributes to depression anyway, is just plain old exercise.

If you are a very active person, out in the sun running or doing whatever else, and then you have inactivity forced upon you, injury, too much work, being stuck in a tiny shuttle hundreds of thousands of miles from earth, or even locked in a cage while your master goes to work, the lack of endorphins can trigger depression. I know depression in general is more complex than that, but once I noticed this pattern in my own life I learned how to be a lot happier.

I believe astronauts have special exercise equipment to help prevent too much atrophy, but it can't be the same as just being able to go for a run around the neighborhood.

Also, don't give your dog prozac. Take him for more walks or find a way to fulfill his breeds work nature, barring that find a family who can.

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[frieko]

As a depression patient I can say long-term space travel includes basically all the known triggers to depression - stress, isolation, sleep deprivation, lack of sunlight. And there's problem-solving steps you can do to migigate each of these.

The standard treatment for depression is medicine AND therapy. There might be room on board for a bottle of Lexapro but not for Counselor Troi. So that's the aspect they're working on. I don't see anything outdated about what they're doing.

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[stranger_to_himself]

After a while you would become depressed because your money is the wrong color. man have simply not evolved to be happy. depression is clearly not a new fad. People hated their jobs in the 12th century and still do.

That's absolutely true - but I think an extra problem for these guys is being stuck somewhere without the usual things we can try to make depressed people feel better (like go on holiday, buy a dog, get some exercise, change your life, etc), and the danger of somebody mission critical being out of action for a prolonged period.

So while it's an old problem - I think it has new complications. I wonder if there's any historical documentation of depression on long sea voyages and what was done about it.

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[NeoSkandranon]

I don't know if depression is the right word, but I guess it's possible--when a working dog is kept from doing its "job" or getting exercise it could develop any of a whole range of problems.

Putting a dog on antidepressants sounds like fixing a symptom rather than what's really wrong with the animal.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[couchslug]

"Hell, how are you supposed to do something as simple as crank out out when you have to worry about catching it all or it may jam an instrument panel?"

Stealth fapping tech is inevitable. A cross between a Fleshlight and a milking machine should do the job.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't condone giving Prozac to dogs but point out that it happens often enough now that there's even a cutesy little name for dogs on antidepressants.

My dogs don't give me the choice of letting them sit and become depressed. One in particular is a pomeranian cross American eskimo who's favorite thing is to go for hour long walks.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[NotBornYesterday]

Forget that. Fap out loud. None of the other astronauts will touch your stuff after that.

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[khallow]

An alternative interpretation would be, a job acts like a cage (retricting what you can think and do) and a caged animal feels depression, at lack of freedom. So its not that people are or are not evolved to be happy, its that people are not evolved to be caged in a job.

My take is that would be a wrong interpretation. The job isn't a cage in this example, it is merely perceived as one.

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[Kratisto]

I can say long-term college enrollment includes basically all the known triggers to depression - stress, isolation, sleep deprivation, lack of sunlight. And there's problem-solving steps you can do to mitigate each of these.

Namely, switching out of an engineering major.

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[Sockatume]

This seems like a good time to bring up the movie Sunshine, not because it was a rip-roaringly accurate psychological exploration (premise: 50 years from now a group of astronauts set out to drop a bomb to restart the sun) but because they spent a lot of time asking NASA about their ideas for prolonged space travel. Apparently they want large personnel spaces on board, because the effect on sanity hugely outweighs the excess mass (materials used goes up with about root two over three of the empty space added, I think). And mundane things like making the crew prepare their own meals as a group were emphasised as a way of ensuring team cohesion.

FWIW the movie itself suggested taking along a highly qualified psychologist and a sort of augmented reality room to give the crew temporary pre-recorded "trips" to Earth, which was plausable given NASA's idea of balancing vehicle mass and crew sanity. Mind you it also advocated equipping the medical bay with deadly reciprocating scalpels.

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[prennix]

I'd imagine sympathy from you isn't what they are looking for. Depression does have an effect on work output, so there is good reason to find a fix. The dog on the other hand may have behavioral issues that manifest with depression, which could be caused by medical issues. If the behavioral issues (I dunno, peeing in the house, chewing off it's own fur, etc) bother the owner and the dog, seems reasonable to deal with it. The bottom line is depression isn't always situational, and even when it is, there's no sense in wallowing in it or ignoring it if we want a happy dog at home or a productive scientist in space.

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[Chyeld]

I don't see anything outdated about what they're doing.

Nor do I, which is why my post was a response to someone poo pahing the idea and not to the idea itself.

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[MindKata]

I'm not sure it would be a perceived cage. I think its more that there are cages of different sizes, some with different standards of living in the cages. If you live in a good zoo, then it could be a very nice cage. But even some apparently good cages, can often turn out to be Corporate Cults, (I've worked in a few of these, unfortunately just like a lot of programmers over the years).
http://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936

I think all societies requires an overall cage for everyone. We all must live within its boundaries and the edges of this overall cage, defines what society considers its outer accepted boundaries. But there are also nested cages within cages. These nested cages are created by some people with power over us. Our zoo keeper bosses. These zoo cages, seek to confine us to other more restricted cage boundaries. Which are for the gain of the zoo keepers and are the rules which maintainance power over us. There are some people who seek to gain power over us and not just governments. Some bosses also seek the power to dictate boundaries of accepted behaviour. This can make some cages unhappy places to be in. Unfortunately as most of us need to earn money, then we have to sit quitely in some zoo cage, otherwise our current zoo keep will throw us out and get a new zoo exibit. But then we can leave one zoo and go to another zoo. But most of us still need to live in zoos, but we can still dream of the day, we can run free from the need for any zoos. :)

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[Chyeld]

And it's use in humans is not? Sometimes fixing the problem isn't practical or something that we know how to do, sometimes the best you can do is work to make the situation manageable and bearable.

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[Savior_on_a_Stick]

Just make it a requirement that only married people can become astronauts.
That way the lack of sex will be normal and expected.

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[yttrstein]

It's even worse than that. Not only is it absolutely not understood why it's so common during long periods spent outside earth's atmosphere, but the solution to use "problem solving treatment" paints the understanding of this phenomenon in an even more disturbing light, since "problem solving treatment" has exactly zero conclusive stats behind it. See here:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7245/1340/a

Disturbing, that is, not only because it probably won't work, its a huge waste of money, and there's nothing sadder than a depressed astronaut, but also because it occurs to me that "science" should be the point of these trips and everything that occurs on them--and it's quite painfully clear that at least in one very important circumstance, science has been abandoned for pop psych.

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[yttrstein]

Maybe this whole pill-popping culture could give astronauts a miss on this one, eh? A pilot on lexapro at the helm of a space shuttle on re-entry is almost as disturbing as a president on lexapro at the helm of the executive branch.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

Dogs are not people (or specifically, not you)

Are you sure??? http://www.cartoonbank.com/item/22230

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[frieko]

My bad. Didn't notice the "Re:"

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[frieko]

Yeah, they basically pick the healthiest people on earth for space travel, mentally and physically. But I think a few years of space travel could drive anybody a little crazy.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[cong06]

Honestly, Depression (which it seems everyone failed to grasp) is more about chemical imbalances, and genetics in some cases then their lifestyle.

That's what anti-depressants are for, to counteract the imbalance.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[khallow]

I don't like my original post. I think it more correct to say that the perception of a cage is itself a cage. But one of our own making. That fits with the poster who observed that man may have evolved to be unhappy. Bosses and coworkers can attempt to impose their will on us, but that works only if we let it. Remember, a tiger can't quit and leave the cage. We can.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't see anything outdated about what they're doing.

Tip: when the post you are replying to includes a "parent" button, click it, and see if they're replying to a post or the summary/article. It might prevent you from looking kind of dumb.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Bazer]

Sounds like its time you found a new cage! :) ... while its still a cage, the new surroundings may make it feel like a better cage.... that is, until you can find a way to live without the need of a cage... I'm still looking for the answer to that one, like most people. :)

A bigger cage... I can't even see the bars!

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[Anonymous Coward]

"man have simply not evolved to be happy".

Schopenhauer in The Wisdom of Life states that we are born with the ability to be happy. Like IQ or maximum strength, it barely varies over life of individual. So either you are happy anywhere, nowhere or anything in between.

A more recent theory, forgot who, says that happiness can lead to success, but not the other way around. So essentially you are supposed to enjoy your work. Success through ambition is not as rewarding.

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[couchslug]

"Just make it a requirement that only married people can become astronauts.
That way the lack of sex will be normal and expected."

Two words:

Lisa Nowak

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[MindKata]

"Remember, a tiger can't quit and leave the cage. We can."

I see what you are saying, but I would say that although we can leave one cage, we still must find another cage, as we don't have the money to live without a zoo cage. (Plus most cages have similar 9-5 etc.. rules). So in this sense, the cage is real, due to the need for money to survive. Which giving people with money (we need) the power to dictate rules to us.

When we are in a zoo cage, while we can choose how to solve (some/most) problems, the problems we are asked to solve and assigned are often defined by the ones with power over us/ We simply fix problems to be paid. True freedom would be that we choose the problems we wish to solve. Often in some jobs, we are not even free to solve some problems in certain ways. So while we can gain some fun from jobs, its not the same as true freedom to solve problems. That we can do, in our spare time (if we have any).

I wonder what the world would be like if everyone didn't need to work (ie. didn't need money and food/housing etc.. resources were provided to everyone). So everyone was free to be as creative as they wished (within the limits of the outer social cage). I suspect there would be a lot more open collaboration, as nothing would be hidden in the name of profit. Unfortunately I suspect the people who like power over other people, would not want such a world, as they would simply be one of the group and no longer of any extra importance than anyone else. I suspect they would always work to prevent such an open world ever completely existing, even if we could ever have such a world. They would sell the control to us, on the basis of fear (fear of people free to think and do creative things), but that fear would ultimately be driven by their need to maintain control.

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[khallow]

I see what you are saying, but I would say that although we can leave one cage, we still must find another cage, as we don't have the money to live without a zoo cage.

That is incorrect. Living is not that expensive even in the developed world. A little financial discipline and those chains of work cannot bind.

When we are in a zoo cage, while we can choose how to solve (some/most) problems, the problems we are asked to solve and assigned are often defined by the ones with power over us/ We simply fix problems to be paid. True freedom would be that we choose the problems we wish to solve. Often in some jobs, we are not even free to solve some problems in certain ways. So while we can gain some fun from jobs, its not the same as true freedom to solve problems. That we can do, in our spare time (if we have any).

OTOH, the problems we are asked to solve in a real job are problems that someone somewhere needs to have solved. We are needed. Things we do for fun are usually not needed.

I wonder what the world would be like if everyone didn't need to work (ie. didn't need money and food/housing etc.. resources were provided to everyone). So everyone was free to be as creative as they wished (within the limits of the outer social cage). I suspect there would be a lot more open collaboration, as nothing would be hidden in the name of profit. Unfortunately I suspect the people who like power over other people, would not want such a world, as they would simply be one of the group and no longer of any extra importance than anyone else. I suspect they would always work to prevent such an open world ever completely existing, even if we could ever have such a world. They would sell the control to us, on the basis of fear (fear of people free to think and do creative things), but that fear would ultimately be driven by their need to maintain control.

In other words, you just made my point again for me.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

A hooker, a supply of condoms and lube, and a sunlamp. There, now I've saved you at least half that $1.75 Million.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[Anonymous Coward]

"In other words, you just made my point again for me."

No, because...
"Bosses and coworkers can attempt to impose their will on us, but that works only if we let it. Remember, a tiger can't quit and leave the cage. We can."

The key phrase is ... "but that works only if we let it" ... We don't have a choice. We can leave one job and go to another job, but both jobs have similar rules, so no real choice. We still need to work for someone and as each company operates in similar ways, then workers are payed the "going rate" for the job. Holidays are the "going rate" for that industry. Offices rules are the same as other employers. etc... This is still not actually true freedom. The power is in the hands of the one with the money to decide how people should behave for them to get payed.

Also, "Living is not that expensive even in the developed world."
Most people do not earn much at all past their basic cost of living. Compare wages earned per year minus cost of basic survival per year. A rare few (mostly bosses) will be able to save many dozens of times as much as most people earn per year. (e.g. Person A = 22k, Person B=100k, cost of living=20k), therefore person A saves 2k per year and person B saves 80k per year. It takes person A 40 years to save up what person B can save up). Most people are nearer person A. Most peoples wages are nearer the basic cost of survival and bosses know this. It keeps people coming back for more. I've even had bosses say, but if you earned that much, you would leave. Keeping people down is often part of how they think.

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[I'm not really here]

Ever heard of Cowboy BeBop?

Simple solution to exercise and the ability to "run around the neighborhood" is to have a running ring that has artificial gravity created by centripetal force. That way, instead of limited exercise, you have an actual "gravity" room to run and exercise in. Not sure if the physics work, but it seemed like a simple solution.

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[khallow]

The key phrase is ... "but that works only if we let it" ... We don't have a choice.

Clearly wrong. I don't even understand why you attempt this claim. Being able to move from one job to another is an effective way to chose. If you don't like the rules at one workplace, then move to a workplace that doesn't have the rules you don't like. And we don't need to work for someone. You can always work for yourself or not at all.

Most people do not earn much at all past their basic cost of living. Compare wages earned per year minus cost of basic survival per year. A rare few (mostly bosses) will be able to save many dozens of times as much as most people earn per year. (e.g. Person A = 22k, Person B=100k, cost of living=20k), therefore person A saves 2k per year and person B saves 80k per year.

Cost of living would not be the same for Person A and B. Even so, Person A can save 10% of his salary a year. 10 years of that, invested in the stock market, and Person A is earning almost as much in interest as he saves (dividend reinvestment plans or Roth IRAs are effective ways to invest sums of money in this size). Further, as time goes on, Person A can grow more skilled and experienced. They probably will never earn as much as Person B, but it's foolish to claim that they'll continue to earn only 20k a year indefinitely.

Re:Depressed astronauts?

[SoupIsGoodFood_42]

Depression is always about something. Even if the person suffering from it has no idea why, doesn't mean there isn't a reason.

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[ultranova]

Not only is it absolutely not understood why it's so common during long periods spent outside earth's atmosphere,

Probably has something to do with being stuck on a small metal coffin for several months.

its a huge waste of money,

How much do you think a video recording of someone speaking costs ?

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[MindKata]

"Clearly wrong. I don't even understand why you attempt this claim."
I find it interesting you don't understand my point. While specific rules are different in different jobs, most jobs, in most industries, are usually very similar variations of each other. I've lost count of the number of times, different employers have said to me, that a certain aspect of how the company works, is the standard way, for that industry. (Its an excuse of course, but that is all part of the negotiating game). For example, all games industry programmers, in whatever job they go to, do not get payed overtime. Also overtime is a very expected part of the rush to meet deadlines. Excuses are given like, programmer are payed more, as compensation for the overtime. But its a total industry wide lie. Programmers in the games industry, when there wages are divided by total hours worked, often end up on a similar hourly wages, as very unskilled jobs, even sometimes as bad as jobs like shelf stacker's in supermarkets. Of course, the bosses are simply saying no payed overtime, as they don't want to pay overtime. To the bosses its simply a negotiating strategy, to say no payed overtime in the industry. Plus the bosses then also say that anyone who leaves the games industry, is suffering burnout. Its not burnout at all, its simply they are wising up the nature of how they are getting exploited. But then for all the employees years of experience, they still struggle to earn a good living in a new industry. Even leaving one industry, to go into another industry doesn't totally remove the similarities between working conditions for employees, as all employers in every industry are playing similar games, to negotiate wages down for their benefit. This is why many industries (and not just programmers) suffer from working cultures that get called a corporate cult.

Here's the link about it. Its very worth while to read the peoples replies and comments about this book towards the end of the page. There comments gives a very interesting insight. These comments are from people's own employment experiences. Its far more common than most people realize...
http://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936/

"Cost of living would not be the same for Person A and B."
Sorry that is fundamentally flawed thinking. Person A would like the same cost of living as person B. People have to survive. That costs money. Anything beyond basic survival is an extra. Everyone has the same basic survival needs. Any money beyond this is extra. Everyone would like more money, beyond basic cost of survival, but most do not earn much beyond basic cost of survival.

As for your talk on dividend reinvestment plans, that shows you know about investments. But the point is, most people do not know, as most people are afraid of gambling what little they have on the stock market. When you can only save 1k per year, then that 1k is very important. When you can save 10k per year, then risking 1k isn't such a massive blow, as they still have 9k saved. The fewer savings someone has, the more fearful they are of loosing what little they have managed to save. Most people do not risk it. But as you do understand these kinds of investments, then I suspect your income isn't so tight, that you would fully understand how fearful people can be, about what little savings they can collect together. Which would explain why you don't see such a problem, for people to break free of having little savings.

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[khallow]

I find it interesting you don't understand my point. While specific rules are different in different jobs, most jobs, in most industries, are usually very similar variations of each other. I've lost count of the number of times, different employers have said to me, that a certain aspect of how the company works, is the standard way, for that industry. (Its an excuse of course, but that is all part of the negotiating game). For example, all games industry programmers, in whatever job they go to, do not get payed overtime. Also overtime is a very expected part of the rush to meet deadlines. Excuses are given like, programmer are payed more, as compensation for the overtime. But its a total industry wide lie. Programmers in the games industry, when there wages are divided by total hours worked, often end up on a similar hourly wages, as very unskilled jobs, even sometimes as bad as jobs like shelf stacker's in supermarkets. Of course, the bosses are simply saying no payed overtime, as they don't want to pay overtime. To the bosses its simply a negotiating strategy, to say no payed overtime in the industry. Plus the bosses then also say that anyone who leaves the games industry, is suffering burnout. Its not burnout at all, its simply they are wising up the nature of how they are getting exploited. But then for all the employees years of experience, they still struggle to earn a good living in a new industry. Even leaving one industry, to go into another industry doesn't totally remove the similarities between working conditions for employees, as all employers in every industry are playing similar games, to negotiate wages down for their benefit. This is why many industries (and not just programmers) suffer from working cultures that get called a corporate cult.

You continue to ignore my fundamental point. You can walk away from the cult. You don't have to be a game programmer. For it to be a cage, you have to be unable to do that.

"Cost of living would not be the same for Person A and B." Sorry that is fundamentally flawed thinking. Person A would like the same cost of living as person B. People have to survive. That costs money. Anything beyond basic survival is an extra. Everyone has the same basic survival needs. Any money beyond this is extra. Everyone would like more money, beyond basic cost of survival, but most do not earn much beyond basic cost of survival.

Everyone could live on self-sufficient small farms. Then the only expenses would be taxes and modest amounts for replacing equipment (you wouldn't need industrial farm scale equipment). Cost of living in the US, for example, probably could be dropped to 2-5k per year per person.

The 100k per year person likely lives in a more expensive region. His job requires more expensive clothing and more importantly, it constrains his time. So labor saving devices are required in order for this person to most effectively use their time. I would include that in cost of living estimates.

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[CarneAzada]

Some dog breeds can get depressed and develop anxiety if left alone in a house for long periods of time, such as when their owner is at work. This is why dogs show such "glee" when their owner comes home. Certain breeds like to be around people; for example, lying around in a quiet empty house all day can get kind of traumatic for my chocolate lab. I wouldn't put her on antidepressants, but I do leave the TV on for her when I leave. Also, some dogs become destructive (chewing furniture, shoes, etc.) if left alone or if they are not getting adequate exercise. Maybe the antidepressants are being used to prevent this.

THX-1138

[retech]

"Yes, I understand.... can you be more... specific?"

Re:THX-1138

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

"Work hard. Increase production. Prevent accidents."

omg/wrist

[jonas_sten]

my job sux because i dont meet new people baaaaaaaaw :(

Companionship

[chill]

How about just flying up the occasional prostitute for "group therapy"? They could do what they do with astronauts and rotate which country she is from, etc.

Re:Companionship

[Drakkenmensch]

NASA has a known hardline anti-sex policy... perhaps it's time they start rethinking that approach. Are they expecting to send a group of people on a six month mars mission (with the worst case scenario that they may never return) and think that sex won't happen? It is, after all, one of the greatest joys in life.

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[CarneAzada]

"Group therapy" as in group sex? Because that's what it sounds like. Care to clarify this?

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

Surely it would be cheaper to send up a few RealDoll's, lubricant & a silicone repair kit!

Re:Companionship

[Hoi Polloi]

Simpler solution, on board Real Dolls.

You don't want some angry pimpnaut flying up to kick your ass do you?

Re:Companionship

[mrops]

I think online gaming would be excellent for someone feeling lonely and depressed. I have played my share of online games, have community friends. For the duration that I'm playing, it feels as if I am not in my mom's basement and out there, with friends.

After all, my mom's policy on sex in the house is similar to that of NASA, albeit in space.

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[Chyeld]

Yeah, that's just what we need.

One fuck up in contraception and all the sudden you've got the first interstellar birth with a kid that's doomed to spend the rest of their life on another planet, the mom and/or it doesn't die. You want to think about how hard it is to get baby vomit out of instrumentation?

Or are we going to try the Chinese route and sterlize everyone going up? I'm sure that'll help the ranks of volunteers swell.

Or hey! Here's an idea, shove the possibility of romance related tensions into missions where people are already going to be living almost right on top of each other. I'm sure between the stress of the mission, the complete lack of privacy, and love triangles there couldn't possibly be anything that could go wrong there.

After Lisa Hardwick flipped out over her relationship issues on the ground, you really think NASA has enough of a pulse on their people that they can pick the right group that won't snap up there?

Re:Companionship

[CarneAzada]

So does the Catholic church, and look what happened...

Re:Companionship

[dkf]

I think online gaming would be excellent for someone feeling lonely and depressed.

The ping times in space are absolutely terrible, due to the finite speed of light and the large distances involved. (For example, the light-delay to Mars varies - due to the differing orbits - between 3.1 and 22.5 minutes! Or so Google claims.)

They'd be better off having a LAN party.

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

thats only going ot make it more frustrating due to the fact that the average male cant get up enough blood pressure in zero g to perform.

Re:Companionship

[Andr T.]

I remembered this comic. In fact, the Problem-solving robot would work just as good.

Re:Companionship

[uberjoe]

My parents fucked up in contraception, and I was doomed to spend the rest of my life on earth. Do kids really care where they are born? It's all they know.

Also I'll take a note from the late Arthur C Clarke, all astronauts were required to be sterilized before any space missions. So there wouldn't be any problems with babies and high radiation in space. If any astronauts wanted to have kids after the mission they would need to have some eggs and sperm frozen beforehand.

Re:Companionship

[garett_spencley]

"Or are we going to try the Chinese route and sterlize everyone going up? I'm sure that'll help the ranks of volunteers swell."

Obviously I can't speak for anyone else, but I think that's a great idea and wouldn't affect my willingness to volunteer at all. Choice A) Go into space vs. Choice B) stay here and be a slave to a family for the rest of my life ... hmmmm ... tough one!

There's lots of people who give up family voluntarily for careers and I also think that for a lot of people the dream of space exploration outweighs the dream of having kids.

Re:Companionship

[lxs]

Great! Hopefully he will get rescued and raised by Martians and return to Earth to start a sex cult.

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

Or hey! Here's an idea, shove the possibility of romance related tensions into missions where people are already going to be living almost right on top of each other. I'm sure between the stress of the mission, the complete lack of privacy, and love triangles there couldn't possibly be anything that could go wrong there.

Sounds like the next reality show!

Re:Companionship

[Verdatum]

NASA has a known hardline anti-sex policy? Says who? Just a quick Google search brought up this article saying "Lawrence Palinkas, a professor of social work, anthropology and preventive medicine at UCLA...said there "is no official policy" at NASA regarding sex on space missions. "There really has been no research conducted on the area to know whether it [sex in space] would be a good thing or a bad thing," he said, "but it probably is inevitable.""

The only thing I've ever known NASA to declare is that they don't intend to experiment with human sexuality in space, and they don't intend to comment on any sexual encounters that have or will take place.

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

Nasa has no policy for or against sex... as they put it "we just don't talk about it"

Re:Companionship

[dontmakemethink]

The simple thing to do is just keep them occupied with more duties so you can control their...

*****SPACE*****

***MADNESS***

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, wake up please! There are these things called virtual, machine assisted and non-vaginal sex which all together should suffice for 1,5 years of Mars trip. Sex toy makers could approach NASA in a form of future contractors, instead of spam for a change. Hygiene could be a problem (to be solved by the contractors), however.

Re:Companionship

[bill_mcgonigle]

It is, after all, one of the greatest joys in life.

Yeah, and it also sparks jealousy and fights.

So, clearly only swingers need apply for the Mars mission. And the guys... snip snip.

Re:Companionship

[Anonymous Coward]

If you don't have the will power to go without sex for just a few months at a time, then I'd really have to wonder if you'd make a suitable astronaut -- you have to be pretty level headed and have your desires and impulses under control. As for sex being one of the greatest joys in life, that's because you choose to make it so. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but like everything, there is no inherit joy in it, only what you take to it.

Re:Companionship

[Randym]

One fuck up in contraception and all the sudden you've got the first interstellar birth with a kid that's doomed to spend the rest of their life on another planet.

Well, if we're going to colonize the galaxy, we've got to start *somewhere*.

Joy Joy Feelings

[Anonymous Coward]

The response will be: You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires joy joy feelings in all those around you.

Re:Joy Joy Feelings

[r_benchley]

Great reference! Demolition Man is one of my great guilty pleasure movies.

EMACS- what problem can't it solve?

[tunabomber]

M-x doctor always did it for me.

Re:EMACS- what problem can't it solve?

[sgt scrub]

Eliza is a tease

Re:EMACS- what problem can't it solve?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you think that Eliza is a tease?

Re:EMACS- what problem can't it solve?

[Anonymous Coward]

Perfect! M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead. Love it!!

helpful release

[Anonymous Coward]

just install a glory hole...will fix all there problems.

internet access in space?

[NynexNinja]

do they have access to the internet up there? If they don't, that might partly explain their boredom/depression issues...

Re:internet access in space?

[UnderCoverPenguin]

This was previously discussed: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/06/2255254&from=rss

Presumably, they have filtering for "appropriate content"

Quick, cheap, and easy alternative

[Rob T Firefly]

Write the following on sticky notes and place them around the ship:

CHEER UP, EMO ASTRONAUTS!
You have the coolest freaking job in the whole damn stupid world.
Untold thousands of nerds would do anything to get where you are, but the closest they'll ever get are sewing together their own Star Trek uniforms.
Get over your damn selves, and get back to being awesome.

Re:Quick, cheap, and easy alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think people shouting "buhbuhbuh SPACE!" realise the implications of spending years physically isloated from the rest of civilisation and trapped in the single most claustrophobic environment in the galaxy...

Re:Quick, cheap, and easy alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think people shouting "buhbuhbuh SPACE!" realise the implications of spending years physically isloated from the rest of civilisation and trapped in the single most claustrophobic environment in the galaxy...

You must have missed the part where the poster mentioned they were Trekkies.

Re:Quick, cheap, and easy alternative

[PitaBred]

It's trekkers, damnit! Stop oppressing us!

PS- I'm not actually a fan. I only like William Shatner's more recent work ;)

I swear I read this as "Depressurized Astronauts"

[Anonymous Coward]

and I thought, "Geez, that's nice of em, but..."

Computerized Solace?

[Anonymous Coward]

This really just sounds like a fancy name for porn.

Re:Computerized Solace?

[Mark Programmer]

You can get computerized Solace, but I'm pretty sure it's only for Mac.

Re:Computerized Solace?

[Anonymous Coward]

This really just sounds like a fancy name for porn.

It sounds like a fancy name for Freecell.

Right....

[argStyopa]

" the project, sponsored by the National Space Biomedical Research Institute, a recorded video therapist guides astronauts through a widely used depression therapy called 'problem-solving treatment.'""

On Earth, we just call it porn.

Re:Right....

[gstoddart]

On Earth, we just call it porn.

Yeah, but in space you'd have to design an entire device for collection so you don't have spooge floating around the space station. That'd likely foul up some equipment somewhere.

I'm pretty sure the logistics of a micro-gravity wank in an enclosed space with sensitive equipment is far more challenging than simply giving the astronauts porn. :-P

Cheers

One Word

[Anonymous Coward]

Teledildonics

Naw, drugs

[smchris]

Worked in Outland. Just remember to put on your helmet.

Or wall-projected golf and a nightclub.

Despite the "world's coolest job" posts, I'm more on the Philip K. Dick side that thinks months in a can will truly suck and they'll have ad agencies lying through their teeth to get people up to the mining colonies.

Wait until it starts singing

[Hoi Polloi]

When it starts singing "Daisy" then it is time to abandon ship.

Reminds me of a story about Apollo astronauts

[Darth_brooks]

I remember hearing a story about several of the Apollo astronauts experiencing problems with depression. I guess after walking on the freaking moon, making gravy train money on the lecture circuit doesn't give you the same sense of accomplishment.

I guess in this case Willy Wonka was full of shit. Getting everything you want in life doesn't always lead to "happily ever after"

Re:Reminds me of a story about Apollo astronauts

[Ogive17]

Let's say at age 35 you go on the greatest adventure ever, and the rest of your life is spent talking about it.. You start to realize that your life is nothing but downhill from there.... How do you top going to space and walking on the moon??!?!? Not only that, but you have to relive it every day for the rest of your life. And you share that experience with people who will never be there, only a handful of people on the planet know what you're talking about.

That would depress me to some extent.

Robot psychiatrist ...

[PPH]

... named Marvin.

Re:Robot psychiatrist ...

[SolitaryMan]

Here I am, brain the size of planet, doing psychiatry for a bunch of freaks...

Sun shine.

[underpenguin]

This will be useful when we have to fly into the sun to reignite it.

response

[Verdatum]

I see...And how does Depressed Astronauts Getting Computerized Solace make you feel?

Addiction is a matter of willpower

[GuloGulo]

Addiction is a matter of willpower. Find me an addict who has kicked and stayed clean for a length of time who doesn't directly reference their own willingness to quit as a determinant.

That doesn't mean it's only about willpower, but your claim simply has no merit.

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[Chyeld]

Did you have troble with the meaning of the word 'merely' in my post or were you in such a hurry tripping over yourself to get in a word that you missed it?

And find me someone who's kicked their heroin addiction purely on the basis of will power. Someone who won't feel the craving the rest of their life, not just someone who's learned to fight it.

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[Anonymous Coward]

Addiction is a matter of willpower.

Right on! And poor people should work harder! Thank goodness that chemicals and circumstance are no match for the human will.

Pray you never learn differently.

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[GuloGulo]

Someday an AC will post and not make a total as of itself.

Someday perhaps, but not today.

"Pray you never learn differently"

Were I not an atheist, I still wouldn't have to, as I HAVE WILLPOWER.

Bye!

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, admitting powerlessness and ceding control to a "higher power" is the basis of most 12-step programs.

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[GuloGulo]

"Actually, admitting powerlessness and ceding control to a "higher power" is the basis of most 12-step programs."

Actually, most 12 step programs aren't as effective as quitting cold turkey.

Not that they'd admit it, but the research is pretty conclusive.

Re:Addiction is a matter of willpower

[SoupIsGoodFood_42]

Problem is, depression can effect willpower.

Submariners might be better

[TheLink]

"Never underestimate several people in a small capsule farting over many days"

That's the thing, perhaps NASA is selecting from the wrong pool of people to put into small capsules for long periods of time.

Instead of picking from the usual air force sort of people maybe they should be picking candidates from nuclear submarines.

Might be easier to find a submariner that can be trained to fly than to find an air force sort of person willing to put up with being stuck in a claustrophobic tube for months with no way out except "Mission over" or death.

Re:Submariners might be better

[KylePflug]

That's a surprisingly intuitive observation. Huttah to you.

Re:Submariners might be better

[Chyeld]

Forget the submariners, get a battleship crew up there. They'll know what to do.

They should use open source software for this.

[Anonymous Coward]

Such as m-x doctor!

"I'm feeling depressed."

"Are you depressed often?"

"Yes, because I'm in a godforsaken wasteland."

"Is it because you are in a godforsaken wasteland that you came to me?"

"Uh, yes."

"Why do you say uh yes?"

"..."

"Can you elaborate on that?"

Cheaper, and wonderfully effective!!!

Interplanetary lag

[NotQuiteReal]

The lag one would have in a spacecraft to Mars would make me even more depressed.

Re:Interplanetary lag

[PitaBred]

When mars is between 36 and 250 million miles from Earth at any given time, and light speed is 11,176,943 miles per minute, that gives you an average lag of 3 to 22 minutes or so? That's nothing! Any REAL gamer can deal with that.

Re:Interplanetary lag

[Anonymous Coward]

Put the server on the craft FTW.

Well, that's unique..

[Lord Byron II]

This is first time I've seen the dupe post actually link to the original.

NASA cant afford to put people into space, but

[Phizzle]

NASA cant afford to put people into space, but continues to dump money into frivolous research like this? Russia for the longest time focused on making sure that people prone to depression didnt get into space in the first place, they get weeded out during academy training. Its interesting how US is unable to maintain its space program despite its high tech, and yet Russia "putts" along using their "unsofisticated" means. I've been through NASA recently on business and I got to tell you, the place needs a ducheing, it smells like the 60s in there, and the oversight free, spend cash like there is no tomorrow on dead end unnecessary projects kick started within the entrenched cronyism system has got to end.

easy....let them play WoW when the need to unstres

[hesaigo999ca]

WoW is the greatest game ever, let them play this game, and I guarantee you they will never be depressed.

Not the chinese, but the island method

[way2trivial]

The islands of lesbos and sapphos prerrably

an all woman crew nips the pregancny thing in the bud- and purportedly women are better suited for space travel than men anyway.

and if it happens, well, think of the ancillary rights!

some form of internet hookup

[Anonymous Coward]

box of kleenex, and an hours privacey. thats all there is to it.

Re:easy....let them play WoW when the need to unst

[Kandenshi]

Sure, but they'll also suffer about a 40% drop in efficiency ratings.

oh yeah baby

[Anonymous Coward]

Bow Chicka Bow Wow!

Dr. Sbaitso?

[Scroatzilla]

Dr. Sbaitso, space edition. Perfect!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sbaitso.gif

The problem is of personality

[Anonymous Coward]

I think the biggest problem might be that astronauts tend to be social people. Even the lone wolfs like having friends and/or family around. Going out, doing things, etc... They are part of society and taking them out of that makes them depressed.

What they really need to do get some antisocial astronauts. These would go on these missions solo because being around other people on a mission team would be more depressing than being away from humanity. I guess the main problem would be having to follow orders. That would be depressing too.

Man, I could do it easy. I could go months or years with little to no human contact.

You made my point and ruined your own

[GuloGulo]

"Someone who won't feel the craving for the rest of their life, not just someone who's learned to fight it"

So you're saying I won't be able to find anyone who was able to kick their addiction without requiring the willpower to fight it daily?

I know that, thanks for making my point.

As to the "merely", its presence doesn't make your point less wrong, nor mine less correct.

Why are you getiing pissy just because I proved you wrong? It's very childish.

Re:You made my point and ruined your own

[Chyeld]

I take that to mean that you had trouble with the meaning of merely since if you understood it you would have realized that your argument has zip to do with what I said.

Here's a hint. When someone is saying sarcastically: "Are you one of those people who assume that addiction is merely a matter of will power?" in the tone that indicates someone saying yes is to be derided. That is a good clue that the person speaking believes that overcoming addiction requires more than simple willpower. Not that the person believes that willpower is irreverent.

But hey, don't let a lack of reading comprehension inhibit your posting. I'm sure to you spouting off is a bit of an addition in itself.

Re:You made my point and ruined your own

[GuloGulo]

"But don't let a lack of reading comprehension..."

Three things

1. That bolded part is wrong. I know what you meant from the beginning, it was just wrong. It is perfectly possible to kick with just willpower, stop assuming you're right because you aren't smart enough to parse the argument.

2. It's "irrelevant" not "irreverent", so save your assessment of my reading comprehension Mr. Merriam-Webster.

3. "I'm sure to you spouting off is a bit of an addition in itself" is neither grammatically correct nor contextually relevant.

So, if you plan to criticize reading comprehension, make sure your composition isn't at the level of a 1st grader. However, that seems to be the level you at which you operate so perhaps you simply have no choice.

Would that be a quantum of solace?

[Anonymous Coward]

Would that be a quantum of solace?

dang, de dang dang, dang dang dang
dang, de dang dang, dang dang dang
dang, de dang dang, dang dang dang...

Cure for Space Madness... ?

[the_REAL_sam]

They could play some computer games to get their minds off of the relentless isolation of empty space in an eerie, cramped space station.

System Shock, perhaps.

I just call it supid.

[Roadkills-R-Us]

Let's see... they're depressed, at least partly because they feel trapped and isolated, so you use a COMPUTER to remind them that not only are they isolated, but you don't care enough to have a live human talk to them?

What moron came up with this?

Re:I just call it supid.

[Anonymous Coward]

But... computer solve ALL problems...

Re:easy....let them play WoW when the need to unst

[hesaigo999ca]

Not if they get Tier6 items, they would keep their efficiency rating
but lose a little bit on their criticals

Appropriate use of funds

[jfenwick]

So we have billions of dollars of debt, inadequate health care for most of the country, and we're concerned about whether astronauts are depressed?

HA HA

[Wolfmandan72]

I feel sorry for those who look forward to a space career because there is none!

still alive?

[evilmousse]

how about your buddy, the cube?

Rotate the country?

[bill_mcgonigle]

They could do what they do with astronauts and rotate which country she is from, etc.

Pfft - it's about time Sweeden started contributing to this so-called "International" space station.

Fuck you mod, you're a god damned idiot

[GuloGulo]

This guy behaves like a childish twat, attacks my reading comprehension, then you mod ME down for pointing out he's throwing stones while living in a glass house?

FUCK YOU.

Mars Mission Brought to You By Durex(TM)

[Anonymous Coward]

And in-flight entertainment by vivthomas.com

Use L-Tyrosine to treat dopamine shortage

[Anonymous Coward]

Addiction is a matter of willpower.

Not just that. Many addictions, reduced to their lowest common denominators, are compulsive attempts to experience dopamine spiking (I am specifically referring to cocaine, nicotine and THC addictions here -- there may be other drug pathways). (Dopamine is the "feel-good" chemical.) Once I had determined that my problem was naturally low dopamine levels (the key clue was that my paternal grandfather died of Parkinsons disease -- a shortage of dopamine-producing neurons), and that my use of marijuana was an attempt to ameliorate that, I went out and got some L-Tyrosine (precursor to L-Dopa, which is the precursor to dopamine itself.) Sure enough, a daily 500mg dose of L-tyrosine considerably reduced my *compulsive* use of marijuana as my internal dopamine baseline rose to near-normal levels. (I get my pills at GNC: $8.99 for 60 tablets, a 2-month supply.) It didn't totally eliminate my use of pot, but now I can use it casually *and* accomplish things. And I need to use so much less now: good for my wallet *and* my lungs.

I believe that so-called "amotivational syndrome" is simply a symptom of dopamine depletion brought about by excessive marijuana consumption. Indeed, the lack of ability to "will" is congruent to the common complaint of Parksinson's patients that they "can't get going". It would be efficacious if some medical researcher would investigate this. Please look particularly at the interaction between the endocannibinoid system and the dopamine system: a reluctance to experience -- like prescription drug abusers -- a lower perceived pain threshold may hold back marijuana users from tapering off their use, as they now find themselves more sensitive to pain, having reset the parameters of their endocannibinoid system due to excessive marijuana intake.

Find me an addict who has kicked and stayed clean for a length of time who doesn't directly reference their own willingness to quit as a determinant.

Indeed. IF you can will. I will say that my bronchial problems (not to mention the pneumonia I contracted by toking while having a cold) played a crucial role in my initiating a search for some alternative to marijuana. (Pneumonia is no fucking fun: it feels like someone stabbed you in the chest -- and left the knife in.) Fortunately, I had sufficient internal motivation to keep looking until I discovered L-tyrosine: rationally, I could foresee the coming results of making no changes in my consumption patterns: not pretty. In any case, I agree with the poster on this point: you gotta want it.

Three caveats about the use of L-tyrosine: 1) Too much at once (say 1000mg rather than 500mg) can lead to some confused, schizophrenic-like thinking, as your brain attempts to cope with the sudden rise in dopamine baseline. I recommend a series of test cases: one day on, one day off, starting at 250mg (1/2 a 500mg pill) and working up from there until you feel comfortable. If it's for you, you will *definitely* notice a difference. 2) Some people have recommended taking a B-vitamin (all of them rolled into one) with L-tyrosine. I personally haven't increased my intake though. This probably works for them because of the increased energy B-vitamins bring about. 3) Be sure to take L-tyrosine on an empty stomach and/or avoid taking proteins within an hour; an over-active stomach seems to negate the active effects. I take my pill immediately upon rising, and don't eat for a while.

I wish you the best of luck -- I am certainly happier now!