Microsoft may require it for their 'Games for Windows' shenanigans (something I really couldn't care less about), but do you think games makers are going to isolate a large portion of their market for Microsoft branding? No. Games sell fine at the moment without it, so why should they?
I think what you'll end up seeing is games which utilise DX9 and DX10 depending on which OS you are running, or games that forgo both in favour of OpenGL.
- Replacement of pixel/vertex shaders with multi-purpose geometry shaders. - Sharing of Windows virtual memory between RAM and VRAM. - Tighter integration with OS, meaning access from game to the API to the card is quicker.
I don't think we'll see any demos until Vista is released, but apparently Crysis is a DX10-enabled game, as is the new Unreal Tournament.
Having had a chance to mull on it, I probably agree with you, and as it turns out and referring to comments above, I probably misinterpreted his point slightly. No harm done, unless he hunts me down with a BFG...
i.e. All the rest of you buggers who're going to make the same point - I agree now!
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they might have a bit of a bias.
Fair point.
All I want to know about is performance. If DX10 outperforms DX9, and there's no sign of MS relenting on an XP release, I'll move on. I've always said that for me the game experience outweighs any minor hoops I have to jump through to do get it.
How I obtain my copy of Vista, however, will be another matter entirely...
From what I've heard, it really does require Vista - fundamental differences in the way the OS is built - but then I'm not an expert on that kind of thing, so I could be wrong.
He is John Carmack - I have a lot of respect for the guy. I'm more than willing to admit that he could be right about something:D
...is DX10 relevant or not? If it is irrelevant, then the move to Vista is not forced. If the move to Vista is forced, then by his own argument DX10 is a relevant factor, and he contradicts himself.
I can't see a way that the move to Vista for gaming can be at any point independent of DX10 performance - in fact, along with overall OS performance I would say it was one of the crucial factors in whether I make a switch away from XP.
Voltaire never said the phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire, a book written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, and was subsequently misattributed to him. Unfortunately, the phrase itself never appears in any of Voltaire's writings.
Stalking me now Twitter? You didn't even respond to my points last time, and yet here you are making arguments that are not only mostly irrelevant, are mostly, once again, the opinions of a lunatic.
Let's pick out the important line:
Plaintiffs in the current Iowa antitrust trial against Microsoft told the court yesterday that it is in possession of certain materials, obtained in part in discovery in that case, that they believe is evidence of Microsoft failing to disclose APIs
How am I in any way arrogant to want to wait until the evidence is actually revealed? Strangely enough, I'm not like you, and I'm not interested in what is basically hearsay, ifs, buts and maybes when I accuse someone of something. I haven't said, anywhere in my post, whether I think MS is guilty or not. Apparently the moderators agree with me.
So by my reading, they've been given the right to talk to the DoJ about something they have found that may or may not prove that they have broken the law? It'll be interesting to see how this pans out, but I'll be waiting for the next story along in this chain before I start jumping to conclusions.
The lack of product activation (there isn't even a license key, let alone all the bullshit you get with XP) mitigates this a bit if you don't mind a bit of piracy.
Wow, I don't understand why people even make this as a point.
Who needs license keys and activation when you've crippled your OS so that it only runs on hardware you have approved? Apple have already got the premium you paid for the hardware, and OSX will only run on that hardware, so piracy is hardly a problem.
If they opened up OSX so it could run on any computer, it wouldn't be without some of the infamous Apple DRM they're so fond of nowadays.
Oh, Twitter! I read it the first time, it's still just as funny as the last. Even more so as you failed to format your post, making it even MORE obvious that you just cut and paste it! As if I wouldn't notice anyway, seeing as I actually do have a brain larger than that of a dehydrated slug.
I digress!
Oh, but you made some modifications! You have saved everyone from reading what you've linked to! How kind of you. I read them anyway, and I stick by every word I said.
You will never find me denying that my language is colourful. Nor will I deny that I have a particularly unique way of getting across my opinion. You will also note that even though I have made such arguments, that I always, ALWAYS, have a point to make. I never call someone an idiot for the sake of it.
I call someone an idiot because I think they're an idiot.
Are you seriously suggesting that because I express my opinion in a way that you find offensive, that I actually have no argument at all? Are you suggesting that because I denigrate my opposition while I dismember their arguments limb from limb, that I actually have no answerable point to make? Because you are absolutely wrong. Absolutely wrong and a prick.
I love how you've now resorted to making no on-topic points whatsoever. You couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. How about you go back ON topic again and respond to what I said regarding UIs, or are you content to carry on being as insufferable as always?
P.S. Do you think someone from Microsoft, desperate to generate good press and publicity on Slashdot, would stoop so low as I to drag your name through the mud? You're a nobody, and you're here for my amusement now. Dance, puppet!
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Microsoft may require it for their 'Games for Windows' shenanigans (something I really couldn't care less about), but do you think games makers are going to isolate a large portion of their market for Microsoft branding? No. Games sell fine at the moment without it, so why should they?
I think what you'll end up seeing is games which utilise DX9 and DX10 depending on which OS you are running, or games that forgo both in favour of OpenGL.
Apparently they quit because it wasn't moving quickly enough for them and they wanted to concentrate on DX (according to ZDNet)
Have you got a source for that there that I haven't seen? A very wide search of Google turned up nothing at all.
Apparently the main items are:-
- Replacement of pixel/vertex shaders with multi-purpose geometry shaders.
- Sharing of Windows virtual memory between RAM and VRAM.
- Tighter integration with OS, meaning access from game to the API to the card is quicker.
I don't think we'll see any demos until Vista is released, but apparently Crysis is a DX10-enabled game, as is the new Unreal Tournament.
I know a couple of guys who agree with you.
Having had a chance to mull on it, I probably agree with you, and as it turns out and referring to comments above, I probably misinterpreted his point slightly. No harm done, unless he hunts me down with a BFG...
i.e. All the rest of you buggers who're going to make the same point - I agree now!
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they might have a bit of a bias.
Fair point.
All I want to know about is performance. If DX10 outperforms DX9, and there's no sign of MS relenting on an XP release, I'll move on. I've always said that for me the game experience outweighs any minor hoops I have to jump through to do get it.
How I obtain my copy of Vista, however, will be another matter entirely...
From what I've heard, it really does require Vista - fundamental differences in the way the OS is built - but then I'm not an expert on that kind of thing, so I could be wrong.
:D
He is John Carmack - I have a lot of respect for the guy. I'm more than willing to admit that he could be right about something
...is DX10 relevant or not? If it is irrelevant, then the move to Vista is not forced. If the move to Vista is forced, then by his own argument DX10 is a relevant factor, and he contradicts himself.
I can't see a way that the move to Vista for gaming can be at any point independent of DX10 performance - in fact, along with overall OS performance I would say it was one of the crucial factors in whether I make a switch away from XP.
Yes! Yes yes yes.
Bacon, eggs, mushrooms, a couple of slices of toast, maybe some beans...
There's nothing wrong with a big breakfast!
Conceded :)
Voltaire never said the phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire, a book written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, and was subsequently misattributed to him. Unfortunately, the phrase itself never appears in any of Voltaire's writings.
</smartass>
Stalking me now Twitter? You didn't even respond to my points last time, and yet here you are making arguments that are not only mostly irrelevant, are mostly, once again, the opinions of a lunatic.
Let's pick out the important line:
Plaintiffs in the current Iowa antitrust trial against Microsoft told the court yesterday that it is in possession of certain materials, obtained in part in discovery in that case, that they believe is evidence of Microsoft failing to disclose APIs
How am I in any way arrogant to want to wait until the evidence is actually revealed? Strangely enough, I'm not like you, and I'm not interested in what is basically hearsay, ifs, buts and maybes when I accuse someone of something. I haven't said, anywhere in my post, whether I think MS is guilty or not. Apparently the moderators agree with me.
Back in your box, Twit.
...the solution for these people who want to run a business like this is to never go to or trade within America. Ever.
What a sad state of affairs.
Or maybe I did realise it, and accidentally told a joke instead of making a serious comment (ohnoes).
I would say that it won't happen again, but I'm sure it will.
...print out pictures of Viagra?
I think I'll just practice playing the world's smallest violin for myself while I wait!
So by my reading, they've been given the right to talk to the DoJ about something they have found that may or may not prove that they have broken the law? It'll be interesting to see how this pans out, but I'll be waiting for the next story along in this chain before I start jumping to conclusions.
I'm sure someone else here will do that for me.
Fixed for you
(Yes I know it's not true, but you'd have to pay me severely large amounts of money to expose my system to anything by Symantec)
I haven't seen Syndicate mentioned. If it has, sorry but it was fantastic.
A decent 3D update of Syndicate with an easier to use interface would absolutely rock my socks off.
(And no, not Syndicate Wars. That was awful, but I don't know why.)
Forget virtualisation!
:D
If you want TA updated, try TA Spring, now just Spring. It also has a Linux version for those of you who want it.
Also, Supreme Commander. Same game, different name, more units, better graphics, bigger maps
EVE Online isn't really the experience that Elite gave me. I don't know why - but it just doesn't feel right.
I should know too, I beta tested Shiva extensively. I've played it after Kali too but I found interest waned quickly.
I can explain that.
Just because it's called a Wii, doesn't mean you should Wii on it.
The lack of product activation (there isn't even a license key, let alone all the bullshit you get with XP) mitigates this a bit if you don't mind a bit of piracy.
Wow, I don't understand why people even make this as a point.
Who needs license keys and activation when you've crippled your OS so that it only runs on hardware you have approved? Apple have already got the premium you paid for the hardware, and OSX will only run on that hardware, so piracy is hardly a problem.
If they opened up OSX so it could run on any computer, it wouldn't be without some of the infamous Apple DRM they're so fond of nowadays.
Oh, Twitter! I read it the first time, it's still just as funny as the last. Even more so as you failed to format your post, making it even MORE obvious that you just cut and paste it! As if I wouldn't notice anyway, seeing as I actually do have a brain larger than that of a dehydrated slug.
I digress!
Oh, but you made some modifications! You have saved everyone from reading what you've linked to! How kind of you. I read them anyway, and I stick by every word I said.
You will never find me denying that my language is colourful. Nor will I deny that I have a particularly unique way of getting across my opinion. You will also note that even though I have made such arguments, that I always, ALWAYS, have a point to make. I never call someone an idiot for the sake of it.
I call someone an idiot because I think they're an idiot.
Are you seriously suggesting that because I express my opinion in a way that you find offensive, that I actually have no argument at all? Are you suggesting that because I denigrate my opposition while I dismember their arguments limb from limb, that I actually have no answerable point to make? Because you are absolutely wrong. Absolutely wrong and a prick.
I love how you've now resorted to making no on-topic points whatsoever. You couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. How about you go back ON topic again and respond to what I said regarding UIs, or are you content to carry on being as insufferable as always?
P.S. Do you think someone from Microsoft, desperate to generate good press and publicity on Slashdot, would stoop so low as I to drag your name through the mud? You're a nobody, and you're here for my amusement now. Dance, puppet!
Come now, we're a long way from that, surely.
:D
I'm pretty sure I didn't call RMS a liar and all Linux distributions stinking codeholes yet
There's still time, right?