I am writing a 3D game engine, so I think I know what I'm talking about.
First of all, the only reason why your V3 is out-performing your TNT2 in Linux is because you are not using the DRI drivers for the TNT2. In Windoze, the TNT2 will kick the V3's ass any day.
Second, the V4 and V5 SUCK ASS compared to the GeForce. Why? Transformation and Lighting. The GeForce has on-board T&L, which means that it can pump out five times as many triangles per second as a V4/5, and use less CPU power doing it. High polygon counts are by far the best way to enhance image quality at the moment. It looks much better than AA. Trust me.
Now, if you are looking at benchmarks of current games, then YES, the V5 will be faster than the GeForce. This is because current games do not even attempt to draw high-detail geometry, which is what the GeForce is made for. That will change very soon, however, and I garentee you that the V5 will suck ass compared to the GeForce in games released a year from now.
There was a survey conducted of game developers a while back, asking if they thought T&L was more important than high fill rate. They unanamously said yes. It was at voodoo extreme, but I lost the exact link.
Anyhow, make sure you know what you are talking about before you call someone misinformed. ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Somehow, I knew some troll would have to say that. ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
...is a moderation system. That way, we would note have to search through all of the bad cartoons to find the good ones. ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
You can thank the dumbasses with the ASCII-porn for that one. ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Please, please, PLEASE say you have this safe on your hard drive! PLEASE! If you do, please mirror it. If you can't find a site to upload it to, e-mail it to me and I will upload it to gauge3d.org! ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
I completely agree with you. I use Linux and write GPL'd software, but I don't think everyone should use it.
Linux was designed by geeks for geeks. I like Linux's interface better than any other OS because it was designed for people like me.
I don't want the interface to be dummified in order to allow non-geeks to use it. Linux was not designed for them. Mac OS was. And with OSX looking as nice as it does, I think I would recommend it over Linux to people like my mom. But I want the Linux interface remain targeted at geeks. As a matter of fact, I would be very interested to see what a team of GUI programmers could come up with if they focused on an interface for the technologically inclined. I'm sure that they could come up with something perfect for me, but it probably wouldn't be very well suited to people like my mom.
I don't think our objective should be "Total World Domination." After all, aren't we all rather upset at Microsoft for having the same goal? ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
As I understand it, they won against the perliminary injunction (every corporation's favorite legal device), but the RIAA continued the lawsuit untill Diamond ran out of cash, at which point Diamond gave in. It may be that my facts are wrong regarding this case, but there are plenty of other, similar events which illustrate the same point.
My Rio is one of the first ones made, and has no copy protection. It will probably be worth something by the time my friend gives it back.:) ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
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E-Toys managed to shutdown etoy.com through the holiday season. My guess is that that is all they wanted. They probably knew that they had no chance before they filed the lawsuit. But they knew that they could create a temporary disturbance.
Of course, they aren't the first ones to do this. The RIAA has been doing this sort of thing for years. They had no legal grounds on which to sue Diamond, yet Diamond was eventually forced to incorporate the RIAA's copy-protection features into the Rio because they did not have the money to continue the lawsuit. The MPAA is also fond of this sort of strategy.
We need to stop this bullshit. It seems that corporations have been gaining way too much power lately. If we don't do something, I fear that this will continue until we are living in a virtual dictatorship, with the real government completely under the control of the big corporations. Call me paranoid, but it seems to be the trend everywhere outside the Open Source community.
------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Back in 1990 my parents bought me a computer for my eighth birthday. It had a 20MB hard drive. At the time, that was huge. The people who sold the computer to my parents said that I would NEVER be able to fill such an incredibly large hard drive. Of course, I did, eventually.:)
Anyway, I can think of a very good use for such a large data storage medium:
3D bitmaps.
Think about that for a moment. Yep, that's where the future is headed. Instead of making 3D games out of large polygons, we could use 3d bitmaps and have near-perfect detail and much simpler rendering algos to do it with.
------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
So, basically, what you are saying, is that a DSL provider can oversubscribe thier DSL connection easily, but a cable modem provider is very different because a cable provider can also oversubscribe thier connections. Therefore, you claim that cable modems are better.
Umm...
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Yes! I know that it is a difficult task, but if it is fun, as you say it is, then there will be people who will do it for free (or near free). And if you use CGI animation, you don't need a studio. In not so long, CGI animation will look real. And that is when people will start making free feature-legth movies.
Also, the idea of making movies using 3D games is one I like alot. I was quite impressed by some of the Quake1 movies done by the Rangers back in the day. I imagine that people have created far more impressive stuff with newer engines. As a matter of fact, I happen to be writing a GPL 3D game engine which should have no problem doing this sort of thing.
As I see it, in the not-so-distant future, we will have so much infrastructure built up that no one will have to do anything that they don't want to do, and everything will be free, thus allowing everyone to spend their time working on art or whatever it is that they like to do. I will be coding. Others will be making movies far better than anything we've ever seen, for free. Utopia?
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Well, I guess what we need to do is form some "Open Source movie making groups". Really, if we can make the best OS in existance (whether you consider it to be Linux or a BSD), why can't we make movies? Sure, there is a cost, but Blair Witch was pretty cheap, and CGI movies could be created on a budget just about equal to an average open source program (virtually free, other than time). Certainly we could do better than, say, Godzilla.:)
Wouldn't the big movie companies (which now include... AOL!) be suprised to find that we refuse to be exploited? Kinda the same way Microsoft is?
I realize that this is not as easy as it sounds, but I do think things will be going this way soon enough. What we need is some good open source video editing and 3D animation software. Anyone working on this yet? If not, any takers?
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Some are that way, and some are more like me. I am perfectly willing to admit that yes, there are closed-source progams that are better than their open-source alternatives. I will admit that Be is in many ways better than Linux. However, I think open-source is a powerful philosophy and is the way of the future. When I look at Be, I feel a bit of disappointment that it isn't open source because I know that it will not be able to outrun Linux forever, and probably not even very long at all. If it were open source, we could make good use of it rather than re-invent the wheel on our own. Inevidably, all their good work will go to waste.:(
But, yes, I do use Be myself when I think it would be useful.
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I agree completely. Does anyone remember pathfinder!? HUGE success!
And, really, people, you critisize NASA for making stupid mistakes. I suppose you must be perfect. Otherwise, you would know that stupid mistakes are MUCH more common than real ones. I would be much more worried if they made a real mistake.
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Quake 3 isn't open source. Only Quake 1 is. If what you are saying is true, it would appear that someone has managed to hack the "bitwise-encoded" Q3A network protocol already. The same thing happenned with Q1 and Q2 (with NO source code available). So, really, open sourcing Q1 didn't change anything. Yet we know that more people have been cheating since Q1 went GPL. Boggles the mind... Well, anyway, the Unreal code release isn't the entire engine, and thus shouldn't make it quite so easy to cheat. ------ -Everything has a cause -Nothing can cause itself -You cannot have an infinite string of causes
The feature list says something about a "triangle setup engine". Is this T&L? If it is, ignore the rest of this post. If it isn't, read on.
I am developing an open source 3D game engine, and I know that T&L is the single most important new thing in graphics cards. Extremely high polygon counts are far better looking than extremely high framerates, or fullscreen AA ("t-buffering"). Just look at the DMZG screenshots! Unfortunately, no current games take advantage of high polygon counts, so current benchmarks are very misleading. I strongly suggest that no gamer buy a 3D card without hardware transformation and lighting ever again. -------------
OK, although most of you have directly attacked ME rather than my opinion (not nice), I would like to thank you for your comments. I now know what the REAL issue is:
Do you trust your government?
It seems most/.ers don't trust the United States government one bit. They are afraid that it will abuse its power, and echelon is a very abusable system. This is quite possibly true.
I, however, fundementally trust my government to protect the interests of the people of the United States. In the past, the US gov. has gone to great lengths to do what it thinks is in our best interest. In some cases it has even done things which help the US while hurting the rest of the world, which I believe is wrong. For example, intervening in the civil war in Guatemala and replacing democracy with dictatorship was a pretty crappy thing to do. Indeed, Echelon could be used unjustly against other countries. But every country spies on other countries, and most do it in a far worse way than this.
The matter I'm trying to argue, on the other hand, is that of Echelon being bad for Americans. The government has never been against anyone citizen or corperation of the United States. They are not going to spy on one corperation and give the info to another. Doing so would not help the US in any way, and the NSA knows it.
Please do not flame me. I have gotten lots of "you are a moron"'s, simply because I have a different opinion than everyone else. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, do it intelligently. -------------
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Hi.
I am writing a 3D game engine, so I think I know what I'm talking about.
First of all, the only reason why your V3 is out-performing your TNT2 in Linux is because you are not using the DRI drivers for the TNT2. In Windoze, the TNT2 will kick the V3's ass any day.
Second, the V4 and V5 SUCK ASS compared to the GeForce. Why? Transformation and Lighting. The GeForce has on-board T&L, which means that it can pump out five times as many triangles per second as a V4/5, and use less CPU power doing it. High polygon counts are by far the best way to enhance image quality at the moment. It looks much better than AA. Trust me.
Now, if you are looking at benchmarks of current games, then YES, the V5 will be faster than the GeForce. This is because current games do not even attempt to draw high-detail geometry, which is what the GeForce is made for. That will change very soon, however, and I garentee you that the V5 will suck ass compared to the GeForce in games released a year from now.
There was a survey conducted of game developers a while back, asking if they thought T&L was more important than high fill rate. They unanamously said yes. It was at voodoo extreme, but I lost the exact link.
Anyhow, make sure you know what you are talking about before you call someone misinformed.
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Somehow, I knew some troll would have to say that.
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
...is a moderation system. That way, we would note have to search through all of the bad cartoons to find the good ones.
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
You can thank the dumbasses with the ASCII-porn for that one.
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Please, please, PLEASE say you have this safe on your hard drive! PLEASE! If you do, please mirror it. If you can't find a site to upload it to, e-mail it to me and I will upload it to gauge3d.org!
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
I completely agree with you. I use Linux and write GPL'd software, but I don't think everyone should use it.
Linux was designed by geeks for geeks. I like Linux's interface better than any other OS because it was designed for people like me.
I don't want the interface to be dummified in order to allow non-geeks to use it. Linux was not designed for them. Mac OS was. And with OSX looking as nice as it does, I think I would recommend it over Linux to people like my mom. But I want the Linux interface remain targeted at geeks. As a matter of fact, I would be very interested to see what a team of GUI programmers could come up with if they focused on an interface for the technologically inclined. I'm sure that they could come up with something perfect for me, but it probably wouldn't be very well suited to people like my mom.
I don't think our objective should be "Total World Domination." After all, aren't we all rather upset at Microsoft for having the same goal?
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
As I understand it, they won against the perliminary injunction (every corporation's favorite legal device), but the RIAA continued the lawsuit untill Diamond ran out of cash, at which point Diamond gave in. It may be that my facts are wrong regarding this case, but there are plenty of other, similar events which illustrate the same point.
My Rio is one of the first ones made, and has no copy protection. It will probably be worth something by the time my friend gives it back. :)
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
E-Toys managed to shutdown etoy.com through the holiday season. My guess is that that is all they wanted. They probably knew that they had no chance before they filed the lawsuit. But they knew that they could create a temporary disturbance.
Of course, they aren't the first ones to do this. The RIAA has been doing this sort of thing for years. They had no legal grounds on which to sue Diamond, yet Diamond was eventually forced to incorporate the RIAA's copy-protection features into the Rio because they did not have the money to continue the lawsuit. The MPAA is also fond of this sort of strategy.
We need to stop this bullshit. It seems that corporations have been gaining way too much power lately. If we don't do something, I fear that this will continue until we are living in a virtual dictatorship, with the real government completely under the control of the big corporations. Call me paranoid, but it seems to be the trend everywhere outside the Open Source community.
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Another version of this article was posted a bit ago, and then removed. Find it here:
http://slashdot.org /article.pl?sid=00/02/17/1942208&mode=thread
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Back in 1990 my parents bought me a computer for my eighth birthday. It had a 20MB hard drive. At the time, that was huge. The people who sold the computer to my parents said that I would NEVER be able to fill such an incredibly large hard drive. Of course, I did, eventually. :)
Anyway, I can think of a very good use for such a large data storage medium:
3D bitmaps.
Think about that for a moment. Yep, that's where the future is headed. Instead of making 3D games out of large polygons, we could use 3d bitmaps and have near-perfect detail and much simpler rendering algos to do it with.
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
exept when typing "the"? :)
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
So, basically, what you are saying, is that a DSL provider can oversubscribe thier DSL connection easily, but a cable modem provider is very different because a cable provider can also oversubscribe thier connections. Therefore, you claim that cable modems are better.
Umm...
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
ummm.... 1 gigabit = 125 megabytes.
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Hence themes. :)
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Can someone explain to me why one of these is ugly and the other is beautiful.
Exhibit A is ugly because it is flat, solid-colored, and boring.
Exhibit B is beautiful because it is 3D, smooth-shaded and interesting, and generally an eye-pleaser.
But then that's my opinion...
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Yes! I know that it is a difficult task, but if it is fun, as you say it is, then there will be people who will do it for free (or near free). And if you use CGI animation, you don't need a studio. In not so long, CGI animation will look real. And that is when people will start making free feature-legth movies.
Also, the idea of making movies using 3D games is one I like alot. I was quite impressed by some of the Quake1 movies done by the Rangers back in the day. I imagine that people have created far more impressive stuff with newer engines. As a matter of fact, I happen to be writing a GPL 3D game engine which should have no problem doing this sort of thing.
As I see it, in the not-so-distant future, we will have so much infrastructure built up that no one will have to do anything that they don't want to do, and everything will be free, thus allowing everyone to spend their time working on art or whatever it is that they like to do. I will be coding. Others will be making movies far better than anything we've ever seen, for free. Utopia?
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Well, I guess what we need to do is form some "Open Source movie making groups". Really, if we can make the best OS in existance (whether you consider it to be Linux or a BSD), why can't we make movies? Sure, there is a cost, but Blair Witch was pretty cheap, and CGI movies could be created on a budget just about equal to an average open source program (virtually free, other than time). Certainly we could do better than, say, Godzilla. :)
Wouldn't the big movie companies (which now include... AOL!) be suprised to find that we refuse to be exploited? Kinda the same way Microsoft is?
I realize that this is not as easy as it sounds, but I do think things will be going this way soon enough. What we need is some good open source video editing and 3D animation software. Anyone working on this yet? If not, any takers?
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Some are that way, and some are more like me. I am perfectly willing to admit that yes, there are closed-source progams that are better than their open-source alternatives. I will admit that Be is in many ways better than Linux. However, I think open-source is a powerful philosophy and is the way of the future. When I look at Be, I feel a bit of disappointment that it isn't open source because I know that it will not be able to outrun Linux forever, and probably not even very long at all. If it were open source, we could make good use of it rather than re-invent the wheel on our own. Inevidably, all their good work will go to waste. :(
But, yes, I do use Be myself when I think it would be useful.
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
I agree completely. Does anyone remember pathfinder!? HUGE success!
And, really, people, you critisize NASA for making stupid mistakes. I suppose you must be perfect. Otherwise, you would know that stupid mistakes are MUCH more common than real ones. I would be much more worried if they made a real mistake.
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-Everything has a cause
-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
Quake 3 isn't open source. Only Quake 1 is. If what you are saying is true, it would appear that someone has managed to hack the "bitwise-encoded" Q3A network protocol already. The same thing happenned with Q1 and Q2 (with NO source code available). So, really, open sourcing Q1 didn't change anything. Yet we know that more people have been cheating since Q1 went GPL. Boggles the mind...
Well, anyway, the Unreal code release isn't the entire engine, and thus shouldn't make it quite so easy to cheat.
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-Nothing can cause itself
-You cannot have an infinite string of causes
I think FastGL does just that. Mabey you should read linuxgames.com more often. :-)
high poly counts are better than high fill rates, not necessarily high frame rates. :)
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The feature list says something about a "triangle setup engine". Is this T&L? If it is, ignore the rest of this post. If it isn't, read on.
I am developing an open source 3D game engine, and I know that T&L is the single most important new thing in graphics cards. Extremely high polygon counts are far better looking than extremely high framerates, or fullscreen AA ("t-buffering"). Just look at the DMZG screenshots! Unfortunately, no current games take advantage of high polygon counts, so current benchmarks are very misleading. I strongly suggest that no gamer buy a 3D card without hardware transformation and lighting ever again.
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I think you answered your own question. :)
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OK, although most of you have directly attacked ME rather than my opinion (not nice), I would like to thank you for your comments. I now know what the REAL issue is:
Do you trust your government?
It seems most /.ers don't trust the United States government one bit. They are afraid that it will abuse its power, and echelon is a very abusable system. This is quite possibly true.
I, however, fundementally trust my government to protect the interests of the people of the United States. In the past, the US gov. has gone to great lengths to do what it thinks is in our best interest. In some cases it has even done things which help the US while hurting the rest of the world, which I believe is wrong. For example, intervening in the civil war in Guatemala and replacing democracy with dictatorship was a pretty crappy thing to do. Indeed, Echelon could be used unjustly against other countries. But every country spies on other countries, and most do it in a far worse way than this.
The matter I'm trying to argue, on the other hand, is that of Echelon being bad for Americans. The government has never been against anyone citizen or corperation of the United States. They are not going to spy on one corperation and give the info to another. Doing so would not help the US in any way, and the NSA knows it.
Please do not flame me. I have gotten lots of "you are a moron"'s, simply because I have a different opinion than everyone else. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, do it intelligently.
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