pay $50 a year for membership or sit through a 20-second Flash-animated commercial
20 seconds?? That's barely time to hit the restroom and grab a snack - but then you won't have missed anything when you get back, unlike commercial tv/radio.
Another revenue model is to have free web pages, but twice a year remove most content and beg for donations for two weeks, complete with charts of progress toward goal and gifts.
Any credible referances to back that up? There may have been a billion PC's produced since 1981, but surely perhaps 80% are landfill and pothole filler by now? So there's 1 PC per 6 people on earth?
Anyway, there's avr-gcc for the Atmel line - tried an inexpensive STK200 ($70) and you have free gcc. Pretty cool.
it's a bit of a streach to think a nuclear nudge on an astroid can be so precisely done as to hit a specific point on earth - I'm think of chaos theory and sensitivity to initial conditions - you get one hundreth of a newton-meter off in the wrong direction and instead of hitting Chicago you hit Paris - try apologizing for that one.
but oh the collateral damage - Say London wants to take out ******, The Brits should at least expect some climatic changes to their island.
Think of MAD in terms of what makes people drive safely on the highways - it isn't traffic laws that prevent someone from bashing into you at 100 km/hr.
I'm sure the presidential libraries and stuff about important famous people, the Medici of the digital age, will continue to be well preserved - at least that part that they want to be remembered for - but a vast majority of information, 98% probably, isn't worth the trouble of saving.
Currently I'm about to pick up a used Super-8 projector to show some films that are in great shape.
Also just got a 1930's Burroughs adding machine for $15 from a hamfest that, with a few drops of oil and cleaning is in 'like new' condition and will probably be in working condition hundreds of years from now if kept in the right environment (room temp, low light and humidity - basements, attics, garages and sheds are hell on that stuff).
Dude, I have never, ever, in my 41 years, ever seen or heard of anyone ever having to get 'tech support' for a refrigerator! I can't beleive that the cost of adding networking infrastructure to these things justifies that cost of servicing the.01% warrenty failures. I'd bet the network is more troublesome and adds more points of failure than the simple 'fridge!
Using building automation products from an outfit called Automated Logic. The company I was with sold ALC stuff and wired up many school districts with energy management systems that allowed the main office to dialup remote sites, get a nice graphical display of the floor plan color coded with room temperatures, can schedule heating, cooling, and all aspects of HVAC control, fans, chillers, you name it.
I guess the big 'new' idea here is replacing the dialup phone line with Internet, just like web sites replaced the bbs's of that time.
This again sounds like an atoms/bits confusion. In the first place, we don't really *purchase* software, we purchase a *license* that makes it legal to use it. The software remains the property of those who produce it. So how is leasing any different, just the tax advantages? Before you'd pay $60 for a dos license and that was that and the software house had to come up with something new and improved, and so you'd buy a Win31 license, etc., etc. So now what, does a software leasing company purchase a volumn license deal for say Windows 2K and then lease it out to customers for more than the customer could have paid for it (the leasing company has to make a profit now) + the maintenance? I'm all cornfused now.
Same old, same old - this is just the modern version of what has happened for ages in the propaganda wars - like in radio, like Cuba today Jams Radio Marti, and then there's China's control over public opinion, etc, etc, etc.
And you've got to be able to get it to print out Hello World in the correct language from a single mouse click,
and nowadays you also have to do exhaustive research to find out if someone has already patented the idea of printing "Hello World" with a single mouse click.
The Free Software movement seeks to end the quaint fallacy of "intellectual property".
My, this is revolutionary! Be sure to let us know when the constitutional convention is held to repeal the US Constitution, Article I Section 8 .
You know, I can admire someone with the noble goal of making a no-strings attached OS available to whoever wants it, and I love to help out where I can. But when you go over the top with crap like this you just end up making all of us look like fscking idiots.
Collectivism will never work outside of military dictatorships and oppressed peasants - it's a nice fantasy but fails to consider one small detail: the reality of human nature.
the good ol' 'marketplace' - lets see, that's where Msft gets a fee for every PC sold regardless of what OS is installed on it, is that the 'marketplace' your refering to? Wow, nice business!! You can strongarm vendors to pay you a fee even if they don't sell your stuff, woohoo!! Yeah, freedom and libertie is great - whoever's the biggest bully gets to do whatever he wants with other not so free loosers!!! Yeah, there's a market everyone loves.... bullies rule!!!
The "law" and the "market" are not one and the same.
So if I have a store, and the cops stop me from burning down a competitors store, isn't that also using the hammer of Govt? How about the govt. stopping me from printing money? Without SOME kind of laws and customs, such as agreement on weights, measures, penalties for cheating, etc. there IS no market. Hrumph. I'm afraid your guilty of 'selective libertarianism' - large monopolies are free to do as they please, but potential competitors have no protection from the monopolies , and are NOT free. Say I have a lucrative lemonade stand, and you try to setup one across the street - you're saying that in a 'free' market, my gang is free to come over and smash yours to bits - it's just a matter of who has the most bullies - it has nothing to do what customers freely choosing the best product.
There's way too much blather about hate, evil, destroy, etc. The issues is USING A MONOPOLY IN ONE MARKET TO GAIN DOMINANCE IN ANOTHER MARKET. There, isn't that easy to understand in plain simpleton terms?
Say a railroad enjoyed a natural monopoly in a certain geographical area. Any industry the RR wants to go into the uses freight can be destroyed by the RR. In fact, instead of griping about people wanting to destroy Msft, how come your silent on all the companies Msft has, is and wants to destroy or consume, hmmm??? They've become like some of those species of life on Pacific islands that have no natural predators and grow to gigantic proportions.
these are two totally separate issues - nobody's out to destroy an industry, just one domineering a$$hole who's doing everything to make life difficult for those don't want their idiotic pablum.
Now, if RJR Tobacco had secretely placed incompatibility chemicals in the cigs that make you violently ill if you smoked another companies cigs, that would be an apt comparison. As a market, tobacco is in much healthier shape than the PC biz - if Phillip Morris screws up, you can switch to another brand, but when Msft screws up, you (actually, their field support bozo's) have to eat $hit and say it tastes good or seek employment elsewhere.
One of these day's I'm going to sue Msft for liver damage.
Peterson rejected Microsoft's argument that its software pricing and distribution system was too complex to determine damages for a class.
Oh cool - if you damage someone in a complicated fashion your off the hook!
As we used to say, "IF you can dazzle them with brillance (which they obviously can't), blind them with bull$hit."
This is the double speak, in the ads, "We make computers easy to use!" while in the warroom, "Make it more complicated so they won't be able to figure out our monopolizing tie in tricks!".
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Ridiculous.
Not at all. In fact, the game of "make a different standard so everyone will have to buy all new software whether they need it or not" is going to quickly hinder progress. So is Office XP going to create docs that Office 2K can't open????? I'm working up a quote for my Msft lovin' boss of how much they're going to have to pay for this dubious advance in software - and that includes the cost of the hardware upgrades to run it - and all, not because we need or even want, this stuff, but because it is being imposed on us just so we can share docs. That's rediculous.
I just happend to have run across an ad for a MITS calculator and posted a scan here - from 1972 "Electronics Illustrated" magazine. They were shortly thereafter to come under a lot of pressure from Japanese calculator mfgs (recall that Intel started making microprocessors for a Japanese calculator client) and MITS had to find a new product quick, which turned out to be the Altair personal computer kit.
A complete shame that Ed Roberts isn't involved in any of these latest events.
The movie that got me as a kid was this one - Kurt Russel is a student at a college that receives a mainframe donation. During an incident involving a shower of sparks, Kurt is transformed into a friggin' genius and eventually gets on a quiz show. A keyword during the quiz triggers a trance and Kurt spews data about the mainframe's previous owners, a criminal organization, who naturally set out to snuff Kurt.
That's an enjoyable thought:) Someday when they're consigned to the lunatic fringe and screen actors, rabidly persecuting copyright violations, unflattering news groups and unauthorized auctions of BG-o'meters. Cost of training to become a level III operating XP user: $15,000.
I've always liked the idea of a Govt. supplied open source distribution of some kind of referance model operating system as well, complete with public standard referance file and doc type, just like the NIST runs the public system of weights and measures, etc. Not that anybody HAS to use it all the time, you could certainly purchase a Windows or Apple or Sun or whatever, just that those will have to include a minimal doc type for cross proprietary platform information interchange, submitting resume's or tax returns, etc. This is necessary to prevent a certain company from exploiting the public electronic information revolution for their own nefarious ends.
Speaking of which - what's the network effect of Office XP going to be? Will it have yet another extension doc type that only those who upgrade to Word XP will be able to read? And I do mean when the local sect'y creates a new doc and simply clicks 'save' - not the laborious and confusing methode of choosing to save in an older compatible format - that's asking too much of your typical Office® user.
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$500 fine or community service? Maybe setup an open source bar code scanner system in a soup kitchen?
pay $50 a year for membership or sit through a 20-second Flash-animated commercial
20 seconds?? That's barely time to hit the restroom and grab a snack - but then you won't have missed anything when you get back, unlike commercial tv/radio.
Another revenue model is to have free web pages, but twice a year remove most content and beg for donations for two weeks, complete with charts of progress toward goal and gifts.
Any credible referances to back that up? There may have been a billion PC's produced since 1981, but surely perhaps 80% are landfill and pothole filler by now? So there's 1 PC per 6 people on earth?
Anyway, there's avr-gcc for the Atmel line - tried an inexpensive STK200 ($70) and you have free gcc. Pretty cool.
Great! Yet Another Reason Not To Upgrade To Windows XP
it's a bit of a streach to think a nuclear nudge on an astroid can be so precisely done as to hit a specific point on earth - I'm think of chaos theory and sensitivity to initial conditions - you get one hundreth of a newton-meter off in the wrong direction and instead of hitting Chicago you hit Paris - try apologizing for that one.
but oh the collateral damage - Say London wants to take out ******, The Brits should at least expect some climatic changes to their island.
Think of MAD in terms of what makes people drive safely on the highways - it isn't traffic laws that prevent someone from bashing into you at 100 km/hr.
I'm sure the presidential libraries and stuff about important famous people, the Medici of the digital age, will continue to be well preserved - at least that part that they want to be remembered for - but a vast majority of information, 98% probably, isn't worth the trouble of saving.
Currently I'm about to pick up a used Super-8 projector to show some films that are in great shape.
Also just got a 1930's Burroughs adding machine for $15 from a hamfest that, with a few drops of oil and cleaning is in 'like new' condition and will probably be in working condition hundreds of years from now if kept in the right environment (room temp, low light and humidity - basements, attics, garages and sheds are hell on that stuff).
US should at least apologize for not apologizing, "I'm very, very sorry, but we're not apologizing".
these guys got chicks.
Dude, I have never, ever, in my 41 years, ever seen or heard of anyone ever having to get 'tech support' for a refrigerator! I can't beleive that the cost of adding networking infrastructure to these things justifies that cost of servicing the .01% warrenty failures. I'd bet the network is more troublesome and adds more points of failure than the simple 'fridge!
Using building automation products from an outfit called Automated Logic. The company I was with sold ALC stuff and wired up many school districts with energy management systems that allowed the main office to dialup remote sites, get a nice graphical display of the floor plan color coded with room temperatures, can schedule heating, cooling, and all aspects of HVAC control, fans, chillers, you name it.
I guess the big 'new' idea here is replacing the dialup phone line with Internet, just like web sites replaced the bbs's of that time.
This again sounds like an atoms/bits confusion. In the first place, we don't really *purchase* software, we purchase a *license* that makes it legal to use it. The software remains the property of those who produce it. So how is leasing any different, just the tax advantages? Before you'd pay $60 for a dos license and that was that and the software house had to come up with something new and improved, and so you'd buy a Win31 license, etc., etc. So now what, does a software leasing company purchase a volumn license deal for say Windows 2K and then lease it out to customers for more than the customer could have paid for it (the leasing company has to make a profit now) + the maintenance? I'm all cornfused now.
Same old, same old - this is just the modern version of what has happened for ages in the propaganda wars - like in radio, like Cuba today Jams Radio Marti, and then there's China's control over public opinion, etc, etc, etc.
And you've got to be able to get it to print out Hello World in the correct language from a single mouse click,
and nowadays you also have to do exhaustive research to find out if someone has already patented the idea of printing "Hello World" with a single mouse click.
The Free Software movement seeks to end the quaint fallacy of "intellectual property".
My, this is revolutionary! Be sure to let us know when the constitutional convention is held to repeal the US Constitution, Article I Section 8 .
You know, I can admire someone with the noble goal of making a no-strings attached OS available to whoever wants it, and I love to help out where I can. But when you go over the top with crap like this you just end up making all of us look like fscking idiots.
Collectivism will never work outside of military dictatorships and oppressed peasants - it's a nice fantasy but fails to consider one small detail: the reality of human nature.
the good ol' 'marketplace' - lets see, that's where Msft gets a fee for every PC sold regardless of what OS is installed on it, is that the 'marketplace' your refering to? Wow, nice business!! You can strongarm vendors to pay you a fee even if they don't sell your stuff, woohoo!! Yeah, freedom and libertie is great - whoever's the biggest bully gets to do whatever he wants with other not so free loosers!!! Yeah, there's a market everyone loves.... bullies rule!!!
The "law" and the "market" are not one and the same.
So if I have a store, and the cops stop me from burning down a competitors store, isn't that also using the hammer of Govt? How about the govt. stopping me from printing money? Without SOME kind of laws and customs, such as agreement on weights, measures, penalties for cheating, etc. there IS no market. Hrumph. I'm afraid your guilty of 'selective libertarianism' - large monopolies are free to do as they please, but potential competitors have no protection from the monopolies , and are NOT free. Say I have a lucrative lemonade stand, and you try to setup one across the street - you're saying that in a 'free' market, my gang is free to come over and smash yours to bits - it's just a matter of who has the most bullies - it has nothing to do what customers freely choosing the best product.
There's way too much blather about hate, evil, destroy, etc. The issues is USING A MONOPOLY IN ONE MARKET TO GAIN DOMINANCE IN ANOTHER MARKET. There, isn't that easy to understand in plain simpleton terms?
Say a railroad enjoyed a natural monopoly in a certain geographical area. Any industry the RR wants to go into the uses freight can be destroyed by the RR. In fact, instead of griping about people wanting to destroy Msft, how come your silent on all the companies Msft has, is and wants to destroy or consume, hmmm??? They've become like some of those species of life on Pacific islands that have no natural predators and grow to gigantic proportions.
these are two totally separate issues - nobody's out to destroy an industry, just one domineering a$$hole who's doing everything to make life difficult for those don't want their idiotic pablum.
Now, if RJR Tobacco had secretely placed incompatibility chemicals in the cigs that make you violently ill if you smoked another companies cigs, that would be an apt comparison. As a market, tobacco is in much healthier shape than the PC biz - if Phillip Morris screws up, you can switch to another brand, but when Msft screws up, you (actually, their field support bozo's) have to eat $hit and say it tastes good or seek employment elsewhere.
One of these day's I'm going to sue Msft for liver damage.
Peterson rejected Microsoft's argument that its software pricing and distribution system was too complex to determine damages for a class.
Oh cool - if you damage someone in a complicated fashion your off the hook!
As we used to say, "IF you can dazzle them with brillance (which they obviously can't), blind them with bull$hit."
This is the double speak, in the ads, "We make computers easy to use!" while in the warroom, "Make it more complicated so they won't be able to figure out our monopolizing tie in tricks!".
Ridiculous.
Not at all. In fact, the game of "make a different standard so everyone will have to buy all new software whether they need it or not" is going to quickly hinder progress. So is Office XP going to create docs that Office 2K can't open????? I'm working up a quote for my Msft lovin' boss of how much they're going to have to pay for this dubious advance in software - and that includes the cost of the hardware upgrades to run it - and all, not because we need or even want, this stuff, but because it is being imposed on us just so we can share docs. That's rediculous.
I just happend to have run across an ad for a MITS calculator and posted a scan here - from 1972 "Electronics Illustrated" magazine. They were shortly thereafter to come under a lot of pressure from Japanese calculator mfgs (recall that Intel started making microprocessors for a Japanese calculator client) and MITS had to find a new product quick, which turned out to be the Altair personal computer kit.
A complete shame that Ed Roberts isn't involved in any of these latest events.
The movie that got me as a kid was this one - Kurt Russel is a student at a college that receives a mainframe donation. During an incident involving a shower of sparks, Kurt is transformed into a friggin' genius and eventually gets on a quiz show. A keyword during the quiz triggers a trance and Kurt spews data about the mainframe's previous owners, a criminal organization, who naturally set out to snuff Kurt.
starts his own cult, MicroSoftentology
:) Someday when they're consigned to the lunatic fringe and screen actors, rabidly persecuting copyright violations, unflattering news groups and unauthorized auctions of BG-o'meters. Cost of training to become a level III operating XP user: $15,000.
That's an enjoyable thought
I've always liked the idea of a Govt. supplied open source distribution of some kind of referance model operating system as well, complete with public standard referance file and doc type, just like the NIST runs the public system of weights and measures, etc. Not that anybody HAS to use it all the time, you could certainly purchase a Windows or Apple or Sun or whatever, just that those will have to include a minimal doc type for cross proprietary platform information interchange, submitting resume's or tax returns, etc. This is necessary to prevent a certain company from exploiting the public electronic information revolution for their own nefarious ends.
Speaking of which - what's the network effect of Office XP going to be? Will it have yet another extension doc type that only those who upgrade to Word XP will be able to read? And I do mean when the local sect'y creates a new doc and simply clicks 'save' - not the laborious and confusing methode of choosing to save in an older compatible format - that's asking too much of your typical Office® user.