Seriously, $1099 for the low end one is making these look pretty tempting, but I'm going to have to wait for the fourth gen (instead of usual second gen) for mactel stuff.
Finally a threat that will make the average joe start to take computer security seriously! I look forward to a safe internet for everyone (I mean as soon as a few botnet node owner's loose their porn, peole will actually clean up their boxes!)
On a more serious note, quoting the pcworld article:
The Windows Trojan/Erazer-A Trojan looks at default folders for downloading MP3, AVI, MPEG, WMV, Gif, Zip graphic and video files, and wipes anything it finds with these extensions in the target locations.
The assumption is that because the Trojan is only deleting certain file types in specific download directories used by P2P programs -- one of the main sources of inadvertent malware infection -- it is attempting to protect those it manages to infect. [emph mine]
Creative should be thankful Apple has grown the market for.mp3 players, but like most businesses in this workaholic's valley, they can't see past this contrived slight of their intellectual property to the larger advantages of a market Creative could never have built on it's own.
Alot of people (including me) think that Creative's complaint is without merit, but we feel that Apple deserves.... a certain lack of sympathy for playing hardball in the intellectual property games themselves.
Dude, you make a mistake trying to argue with the fanbois using logic. Do what I do, make yourself another account, and just go and make fun of them!
(I mean, yeesh, all the people jumping all over creative here, are the ones who're the first to jump in & defend Apple with every unjustified lawsuit they bring)
Maybe you can't hear the difference with the (rather average) buds that come with the ipod, but even a $30 pair (and they can be had for $20 if you shop around) will make the difference between itms's offering and a CD (for some music anyway) pretty obvious.
List to opening track of Hendrix's 'Axis, bold as love' with the headphones, first the AAC, then the original. You'll see the difference.
Um, what sort of point do you think you're making? Your crusade against good taste and good design obviously stems from some deep-seated hatred of humanity in general. Please seek counseling.
Intelligent enough not to randomly accuse people of nonsense in public forums.
You are bent on acting out on some personal vendetta by taking irrelevant potshots at Apple that do nothing to advance our mutual understanding in the context of this discussion.
I'm sorry - I thought when you said "as companies like Apple have, despite being under no legal obligation to do so [donate BSD code back to the community]", that you were using Apple as an example.
Obviously, you were not using Apple as an example (I must have imagined it), so me making a counter-example was "taking irrelevant potshots".
It's too bad you missed the thrust of my original post: BSD developers don't regard this as a problem. If you must hate them for being happier than you, your problem lies wholly within yourself.
No - I agreed with all the positive things you said about BSD developers - I just disagreed with all the negative things you said about GPL developers. (for those who forget, the words used were spiteful, insecure crybabies.
You see - in the real world, liking one group doesn't mean you hate another - especially if (like the GPL & BSD developers) those two groups get along well.
So, you try to reproduce the problem without the tainting driver and if it no longer occurs, you report to nvidia, if it still does you report to the linux developers with a now untainted and supported situation.
And if it doesn't? Seems to be an awful lot of weird behaviour that only happens to people running nvidia's DRI. Nvidia's not going to help you with other hardware, kernel folk aren't going to help you if you're running a tainted kernel.
Sorry, but all that it does is ensure that the driver will be maintained to the level that it compiles, and hopefully works, and gets built automatically when updating your kernel.
And tested in more hardware configurations then nvidia ever will...
And it's not so easy to get code put into the kernel as you think - the code has to be portable, 64/32 bit safe, smp & kernel preemption friendly, etc etc. Many of these things will shake out bugs you wouldn't have known existed.
No one really cares in the real world if it has a supported OSS driver. Linux is not a gaming system. No, I am not a linux hater/Windows fanboy, but its just like Mac, not a gaming OS.
Hmmmmmn, maybe you missed the part of my post where I said: Since XGL, etc... I've been on the lookout for a cheap & good 3d card...
There are at least a few out there who care - hopefully our numbers will start to get big enough that support for nvidia & ati proprietary kernel extentions will dry up.
being oss is no guarantee for quality, neither is being closed source a guarantee for lack of quality.
I'm afraid that it's a guarantee for lack of support. (Running a tainted kernel guarantees you won't recieve support from the core kernel group if you're having troubles.)
Furthermore, while being oss is no guarantee of quality, inclusion in the mainline kernel tree is (to some extent anyway).
- mount windows partitions read/write with the same drive letter
Windows can't do that (if you're dual booting between different windows versions, expect your C, E, etc drives to get buggerred around).
It's a fundamental problem with the stupid 'drive letter' convention (I mean, why is my first drive called C: anyway?)
- configure wine with all supported applications that are installed in the windows partition
Wine isn't ready for that. Deal with it.
- show the EULAs necessary for plugins, fonts, and so forth before the install starts and only as necessary (this could better be wrapped in a 'non free additional agreement' whenever possible) and then install all those goddam plugins, extensions, codecs and whatnot.
Most of those plugins, etc can't be redistributed for legal reasons. You're proprosing a technical solution to a legal problem. Thanks for that.
Nowadays I don't buy anything but nVidia graphics cards
Well - if performance is all you care about, you're making the right decision.
However, some people are worried about including closed software in their kernel - they don't want linux to turn into the windows driver bugfest for starters....
They did a good job comparing the budget video cards for performance.
Nitpicking I know, but they actually did a good job comparing the budget video cards+software driver for performance.
The review (while great for gamers) is pretty useless to Apple + Linux fans out there... and as this is a mixed site, I thought I'd ask.
Is there a linux tech site that reviews hardware under different flavors of linux? That would be a useful site. Especially if they dived into driver compatibility issues on different distributions.
That would be pretty cool - that's what I was hoping someone would reply to my comment with a link to!:-)
How about if we slow down a bit here--software patents have a relatively shaky foundation. I could imagine trying to make software patents harder to get, or even do away with them maybe. Walking into Congress and saying "we can't have patents anymore"--that won't fly. Not to mention we would have lots of trade sanctions placed on us if we did try that.
Hey - c'mon - I said 'patent' three times in three consecutive sentences and only one did I not preceed it with 'software'.
To clarify however, I don't think the entire patent system is broken (although it needs reform). I do think software patents are completely broken & need to be thrown out completely.
OK, the article tells us about 3dmark, quake 4 specs, video playback, etc etc etc.
But, they don't tell us which one (if any) has a vendor supported OSS compatable driver.
Since XGL, etc (and I'm sure I'm not alone here), I've been on the lookout for a cheap & good 3d card, that doesn't give me 'kernel tainted' messages when I insert the driver.
Does anyone know if any of these have good open support (I'm going to presume patchy [at best] for ATI, closed fast drivers from nvidia & good drivers [but crappy hardware] for the s27)
We don't 'need' to try to get them[patent laws] revoked.
Oh right! Sorry Bill [or Steve, or Larry, or Sam]
Software patent laws hold back development of software. Companies like Apple, Microsoft & Adobe would not exist if software was patentable during their nascent years.
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OS X on a Dell is a Mac, but linux on a powerbook is a PC? Weird!
(I think after May 20th, the above may become my new sig, with a link to this thread!)
Any more questions?
What about a dual boot windows/mac macbook pro? Is that a mac, a PC or a MPC?
I think I did more than that...I think I scared him off Slashdot entirely.
But he posted barely a half hour before you made that comment!
Keep trying tho'
and a 2.0 GHz MacBook in a stunning new black enclosure.
;-)
What the article doesn't mention is that the new black enclosure is made from the same patented finish as the ipod nano
Seriously, $1099 for the low end one is making these look pretty tempting, but I'm going to have to wait for the fourth gen (instead of usual second gen) for mactel stuff.
OMG!
You're not saying Apple stole it from Mark Miller are you????
Put your anti-apple sentiment away - we don't like that at slashdot.
Finally a threat that will make the average joe start to take computer security seriously! I look forward to a safe internet for everyone (I mean as soon as a few botnet node owner's loose their porn, peole will actually clean up their boxes!)
On a more serious note, quoting the pcworld article:WTF? How could anyone think that it's to attempt to protect users when it doesn't delete executables from p2p folders? (for an interesting overview of real "white hat worms" see this vnunet article and the slashdot discussion on the blaster removal worm)
This worm is clearly to scare people away from p2p - not protect them from other p2p malware.
What's the bet that one of the companies that make oodles of money from content are behind this?
Creative should be thankful Apple has grown the market for .mp3 players, but like most businesses in this workaholic's valley, they can't see past this contrived slight of their intellectual property to the larger advantages of a market Creative could never have built on it's own.
Alot of people (including me) think that Creative's complaint is without merit, but we feel that Apple deserves.... a certain lack of sympathy for playing hardball in the intellectual property games themselves.
Dude, you make a mistake trying to argue with the fanbois using logic. Do what I do, make yourself another account, and just go and make fun of them!
(I mean, yeesh, all the people jumping all over creative here, are the ones who're the first to jump in & defend Apple with every unjustified lawsuit they bring)
Maybe you can't hear the difference with the (rather average) buds that come with the ipod, but even a $30 pair (and they can be had for $20 if you shop around) will make the difference between itms's offering and a CD (for some music anyway) pretty obvious.
List to opening track of Hendrix's 'Axis, bold as love' with the headphones, first the AAC, then the original. You'll see the difference.
(and that doesn't even touch the DRM issue).
or I wish I could put my purchesed music straight on my player.
The convenience ITMS offers does not make up for the loss in music quality.
Buy your music on CDs, until someones offering CD-quality (with equivilant DRM) music.
btw, you didn't answer my question - if I'm running linux on a powerbook - am I using a mac or a PC?
(Oh and another, more hypothetical question - if I'm running OS X on a Dell - is that a mac or a PC)
It doesn't surprise me to learn you find Linux the best fit for your hateful, bitter existence on this planet.
Really loving your troll account aren't you johnny?
Um, what sort of point do you think you're making? Your crusade against good taste and good design obviously stems from some deep-seated hatred of humanity in general. Please seek counseling.
What? Just for running linux on a powerbook?
You obviously like os x alot.
I run linux on my powerbook - am I still a tasteless dweeb?
If you can't deal with the fact that our legal system rewards innovation,
Exactly! I agree with dis*traction 100%
I mean - Creative are acting like they invented the mp3 player or something!1!!!!!!!11!
Everyone know that Apple invented the portable music player and licensed it to sony in the 70s!!1!1!!!
You're not very intelligent, are you?
Intelligent enough not to randomly accuse people of nonsense in public forums.
You are bent on acting out on some personal vendetta by taking irrelevant potshots at Apple that do nothing to advance our mutual understanding in the context of this discussion.
I'm sorry - I thought when you said "as companies like Apple have, despite being under no legal obligation to do so [donate BSD code back to the community]", that you were using Apple as an example.
Obviously, you were not using Apple as an example (I must have imagined it), so me making a counter-example was "taking irrelevant potshots".
It's too bad you missed the thrust of my original post: BSD developers don't regard this as a problem. If you must hate them for being happier than you, your problem lies wholly within yourself.
No - I agreed with all the positive things you said about BSD developers - I just disagreed with all the negative things you said about GPL developers. (for those who forget, the words used were spiteful, insecure crybabies.
You see - in the real world, liking one group doesn't mean you hate another - especially if (like the GPL & BSD developers) those two groups get along well.
Hey Dis!
After your comment posting spree today you deserver my username far more then I do!
Really, I wish more PC-type people would switch back to PCs
Hahahahaha, you do realise there's no difference between a PC and a mac don't you?
Ruffles Dis*abstraction's haor.
So, you try to reproduce the problem without the tainting driver and if it no longer occurs, you report to nvidia, if it still does you report to the linux developers with a now untainted and supported situation.
And if it doesn't? Seems to be an awful lot of weird behaviour that only happens to people running nvidia's DRI. Nvidia's not going to help you with other hardware, kernel folk aren't going to help you if you're running a tainted kernel.
Sorry, but all that it does is ensure that the driver will be maintained to the level that it compiles, and hopefully works, and gets built automatically when updating your kernel.
And tested in more hardware configurations then nvidia ever will...
And it's not so easy to get code put into the kernel as you think - the code has to be portable, 64/32 bit safe, smp & kernel preemption friendly, etc etc. Many of these things will shake out bugs you wouldn't have known existed.
No one really cares in the real world if it has a supported OSS driver. Linux is not a gaming system. No, I am not a linux hater/Windows fanboy, but its just like Mac, not a gaming OS.
... I've been on the lookout for a cheap & good 3d card...
Hmmmmmn, maybe you missed the part of my post where I said: Since XGL, etc
There are at least a few out there who care - hopefully our numbers will start to get big enough that support for nvidia & ati proprietary kernel extentions will dry up.
being oss is no guarantee for quality, neither is being closed source a guarantee for lack of quality.
I'm afraid that it's a guarantee for lack of support. (Running a tainted kernel guarantees you won't recieve support from the core kernel group if you're having troubles.)
Furthermore, while being oss is no guarantee of quality, inclusion in the mainline kernel tree is (to some extent anyway).
- mount windows partitions read/write with the same drive letter
Windows can't do that (if you're dual booting between different windows versions, expect your C, E, etc drives to get buggerred around).
It's a fundamental problem with the stupid 'drive letter' convention (I mean, why is my first drive called C: anyway?)
- configure wine with all supported applications that are installed in the windows partition
Wine isn't ready for that. Deal with it.
- show the EULAs necessary for plugins, fonts, and so forth before the install starts and only as necessary (this could better be wrapped in a 'non free additional agreement' whenever possible) and then install all those goddam plugins, extensions, codecs and whatnot.
Most of those plugins, etc can't be redistributed for legal reasons. You're proprosing a technical solution to a legal problem. Thanks for that.
Nowadays I don't buy anything but nVidia graphics cards
Well - if performance is all you care about, you're making the right decision.
However, some people are worried about including closed software in their kernel - they don't want linux to turn into the windows driver bugfest for starters....
They did a good job comparing the budget video cards for performance.
:-)
Nitpicking I know, but they actually did a good job comparing the budget video cards+software driver for performance.
The review (while great for gamers) is pretty useless to Apple + Linux fans out there... and as this is a mixed site, I thought I'd ask.
Is there a linux tech site that reviews hardware under different flavors of linux? That would be a useful site. Especially if they dived into driver compatibility issues on different distributions.
That would be pretty cool - that's what I was hoping someone would reply to my comment with a link to!
How about if we slow down a bit here--software patents have a relatively shaky foundation. I could imagine trying to make software patents harder to get, or even do away with them maybe. Walking into Congress and saying "we can't have patents anymore"--that won't fly. Not to mention we would have lots of trade sanctions placed on us if we did try that.
Hey - c'mon - I said 'patent' three times in three consecutive sentences and only one did I not preceed it with 'software'.
To clarify however, I don't think the entire patent system is broken (although it needs reform). I do think software patents are completely broken & need to be thrown out completely.
OK, the article tells us about 3dmark, quake 4 specs, video playback, etc etc etc.
But, they don't tell us which one (if any) has a vendor supported OSS compatable driver.
Since XGL, etc (and I'm sure I'm not alone here), I've been on the lookout for a cheap & good 3d card, that doesn't give me 'kernel tainted' messages when I insert the driver.
Does anyone know if any of these have good open support (I'm going to presume patchy [at best] for ATI, closed fast drivers from nvidia & good drivers [but crappy hardware] for the s27)
We don't 'need' to try to get them[patent laws] revoked.
Oh right! Sorry Bill [or Steve, or Larry, or Sam]
Software patent laws hold back development of software. Companies like Apple, Microsoft & Adobe would not exist if software was patentable during their nascent years.