Yes, I want skilled people to come to the US. However, that does still leave the problem of people already IN the US not being able to find jobs to sustain them due to having to compete with countries where the standard of living is much lower. That causes other costs in the form of UI, welfare, food stamps, increased crime, etc.
And has been shown over the last several years, the company prospering usually does not equal the workers of that company prospering.
If there is a global market on the price of oil, why is there not one for labor?
Costs of living vary between countries.
People should all be treated equally and not be discriminated based on nationality.
While that sounds nice, it doesn't solve the problem caused by the fact that what's a very good wage in a developing nation can be below the poverty line here in America.
Why is is ok for the company to band together to increase their power, but when the workers try to do the same thing so they can be treated fairly, it's considered bad?
Cool, maybe they'll make some innovative products that I can buy cheaply!
If you have a job.
So net moral gain then - sounds great. A tech job in India does far more to lift people out of poverty than it does here. Only by simple greed do I want that job here, not any virtue.
I fail to see how it's any kind of moral gain. Yes, it's good that they go up, but it's awful that we go down.
And the 500000 stockholders who benefit from higher retirement income. And the 500000 consumers who benefit from lower prices. If a company can produce a needed product cheaper, it's almost always a good thing net for them to do so.
Bullshit. As a worker, you are hurt by lower wages because you have far less buying power. At best, the decrease in buying power and the decrease in cost of goods comes out a wash.
As a retired person living on investments I cheer on the profitability of my investments.
As someone who actually has to work for a living, I don't give a shit about your investments.
I would rather see those low wages go to someone who needs them than to some lazy unionist who has captured the legislative framework and lives it up at my expense.
If anyone has captured the legislative framework, it is the companies who's profits you are cheering. Trying to deny this will just make you look like even more of an idiot.
I don't give a rat's ass about "business". If you can't afford to pay the talent what they're worth, you don't get it, period. I want a Ferrari, but I can't afford what the Ferrari dealer is charging. Does that mean I should be able to just tell him what I'm going to pay for one and then drive it off the lot? Of course not.
For someone who claims to be for "business", you clearly do not understand capitalism.
Nope. If you're going to offer a job, it damn well better be at a living wage. If you can't afford that, then tough shit, you make do without the labor, and go out of business.
Doesn't matter. Why are you comparing wages from a 1st world country to a developing nation? If you want a fair comparison, you should be asking if someone from the UK or Germany would consider those wages "substandard".
That studying costs major amounts of money, which usually takes the form of loans that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. Thus, it requires a certain level of wages.
It has apps, but it doesn't have the new, exciting apps. New stuff tends to come out first for iOS. They then either make the Android version at the same time, or afterward. That's about it. Once in a great while people will think about doing stuff for WP.
Except nobody is going to give a shit about what differentiates you if nobody wants that. Their hardware would have made a pretty decent differentiator in the Android market for a while.
I had a Blackberry with Verizon for about a month a few years ago, before I got rid of it. Google Maps didn't work, mainly because the piece of shit was locked down by Verizon, so the only way I could get navigation was to pay them extra money.
And its not possible to type on ANY touchscreen without looking at it all the time, with a BB you can steal a few glances every 4-5 seconds and keep typing !
So what? Is it a bad thing to be paying attention to what you're doing?
I don't care what your opinion on class action lawsuits are. You are not forced to participate. However, it is extremely disgusting that it seems ok for a company to take away a common avenue for redress.
The company lost a lot of money, which could have gone to making things better earlier, and new jobs
This is perhaps the most retarded argument ever. Yes, it cost the company money. So what? They did wrong. If you can come up with a way of punishing a company in some form other than fining them, I'd love to hear it.
You're going to have to prove that they've "abused" patents any more so than any other company out there. Remember, they had their asses handed to them on patent lawsuits from Creative, Kodak, and Nokia. And they're still being sued by Motorola.
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Except, just about everything you described would be the actions of an asshole. I thought we believed Google to be better than that.
These phones need to be tested in real world environments.
And I'm sure you said the same thing about the incident with the iPhone prototype.
Yes, I want skilled people to come to the US. However, that does still leave the problem of people already IN the US not being able to find jobs to sustain them due to having to compete with countries where the standard of living is much lower. That causes other costs in the form of UI, welfare, food stamps, increased crime, etc.
And has been shown over the last several years, the company prospering usually does not equal the workers of that company prospering.
I believe there a shortage of developers
You only believe there's a shortage of developers because you aren't willing to pay enough to attract them to your company.
Further, what good is seeing stock prices go up when you're not paid enough to actually invest in them in any meaningful way.
Boo fucking hoo about costs. You and I know that they do not reduce prices when costs go down, unless they absolutely have to.
If there is a global market on the price of oil, why is there not one for labor?
Costs of living vary between countries.
People should all be treated equally and not be discriminated based on nationality.
While that sounds nice, it doesn't solve the problem caused by the fact that what's a very good wage in a developing nation can be below the poverty line here in America.
Unions are bad
Why is is ok for the company to band together to increase their power, but when the workers try to do the same thing so they can be treated fairly, it's considered bad?
Cool, maybe they'll make some innovative products that I can buy cheaply!
If you have a job.
So net moral gain then - sounds great. A tech job in India does far more to lift people out of poverty than it does here. Only by simple greed do I want that job here, not any virtue.
I fail to see how it's any kind of moral gain. Yes, it's good that they go up, but it's awful that we go down.
And the 500000 stockholders who benefit from higher retirement income. And the 500000 consumers who benefit from lower prices. If a company can produce a needed product cheaper, it's almost always a good thing net for them to do so.
Strawman argument.
Bullshit. As a worker, you are hurt by lower wages because you have far less buying power. At best, the decrease in buying power and the decrease in cost of goods comes out a wash.
As a retired person living on investments I cheer on the profitability of my investments.
As someone who actually has to work for a living, I don't give a shit about your investments.
I would rather see those low wages go to someone who needs them than to some lazy unionist who has captured the legislative framework and lives it up at my expense.
If anyone has captured the legislative framework, it is the companies who's profits you are cheering. Trying to deny this will just make you look like even more of an idiot.
I don't give a rat's ass about "business". If you can't afford to pay the talent what they're worth, you don't get it, period. I want a Ferrari, but I can't afford what the Ferrari dealer is charging. Does that mean I should be able to just tell him what I'm going to pay for one and then drive it off the lot? Of course not.
For someone who claims to be for "business", you clearly do not understand capitalism.
Nope. If you're going to offer a job, it damn well better be at a living wage. If you can't afford that, then tough shit, you make do without the labor, and go out of business.
Clearly that's what the employers are thinking.
Tell me, why is it OK for employers to not want to compete for talent, but it's the greatest sin when workers want to have fair competition for jobs?
Doesn't matter. Why are you comparing wages from a 1st world country to a developing nation? If you want a fair comparison, you should be asking if someone from the UK or Germany would consider those wages "substandard".
That studying costs major amounts of money, which usually takes the form of loans that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. Thus, it requires a certain level of wages.
No, if you are wrong, then your comment should be modded down so people don't see it, and become mislead.
It has apps, but it doesn't have the new, exciting apps. New stuff tends to come out first for iOS. They then either make the Android version at the same time, or afterward. That's about it. Once in a great while people will think about doing stuff for WP.
Except nobody is going to give a shit about what differentiates you if nobody wants that. Their hardware would have made a pretty decent differentiator in the Android market for a while.
Did anyone ever force you to do that to start with?
I had a Blackberry with Verizon for about a month a few years ago, before I got rid of it. Google Maps didn't work, mainly because the piece of shit was locked down by Verizon, so the only way I could get navigation was to pay them extra money.
And its not possible to type on ANY touchscreen without looking at it all the time, with a BB you can steal a few glances every 4-5 seconds and keep typing !
So what? Is it a bad thing to be paying attention to what you're doing?
....Unless you need to migrate one user to a different exchange server at a different DNS address.
Which is also rare enough to where you don't really have to worry about it.
I don't care what your opinion on class action lawsuits are. You are not forced to participate. However, it is extremely disgusting that it seems ok for a company to take away a common avenue for redress.
The company lost a lot of money, which could have gone to making things better earlier, and new jobs
This is perhaps the most retarded argument ever. Yes, it cost the company money. So what? They did wrong. If you can come up with a way of punishing a company in some form other than fining them, I'd love to hear it.
You're going to have to prove that they've "abused" patents any more so than any other company out there. Remember, they had their asses handed to them on patent lawsuits from Creative, Kodak, and Nokia. And they're still being sued by Motorola.