Good question. I'd bet they do, though.
I suspect local weather patterns have a lot more to do with where they end up, though.
I don't mean (why don't we use this to allow humans to fly), but why for example junkyard electromagnets do not float when such high current is run through them (ar they at least lighter?). Certainly they must have a higher energy potential per mass than the spider and its silk?
OK, I think I see what you're asking.
The problem there is density.
It would take a very long and very powerfully charged electrodynamic tether to lift a human. It would have to push against a lot of the earth's field. Your electromagnet is quite dense, and is pushing on a comparatively small amount of flux from a very weak field.
I imagine it would levitate diamagnetically against the ground long before it could produce enough teslas to levitate its own mass against the very weak field from the Earth. If its mass were stretched out to interact with as much of the Earth's field as possible, it would stand a better chance. A lot like a web in the air will fly, but rolled into a ball of silk, will not.
First off, I want to congratulate you on literally the most egregious run-on sentence I have ever seen.
Second, how could a lack of care about the underlying theoretical pinnings of a physical phenomenon with easily visible effects that can be modeled easily enough with just that, in response to someone making a joking (I hope) retort to being able to deny electricity exists be construed as entanglement of... well, anything?
I think the word emitting part of your brain works a lot faster than the part that forms coherent thoughts.
You missed the point, with a nearly comical whoosh.
That man needs more than money. In fact, he has more of that than he needs. There are other currencies when buying politicians. In fact, they're preferred since literal bribes are illegal.
Trump would sell out an entire class of people to get a golf course somewhere he wanted one, but could not put it.
and that's why he owns puny politicians like Putin and McConnell
OK, you're just a fucking idiot.
Putin would have that man straight up killed if the cost ever dropped below the return. Beyond that, Putin is one of the richest humans on the planet, while Trump is barely a blip at the bottom of the world's billionaires. Why are you so in love with that con artist?
Again, so?
As I said, the first-order effects of electricity are readily observable. Sure, the underlying theory behind it may not be, but that's hardly relevant. I don't care if god is pushing little electroangels through the air. So technically, it just doesn't fucking matter if I can see it while gauging its existence.
His name alone, when licensed properly, is enough for him
Enough for him to make money- yes. Enough for him?
I'm surprised you don't see right through that, when all available evidence is to the contrary. The man is still monetizing his presidency. He clearly doesn't have enough.
I'm confused by that question...
The spider isn't generating the force...
The spider web accumulates a static charge, being a long enough tether, there is a potential difference at the anode, and current will flow, which means the Lorentz force is now giving some force to the spider system. The spider is just along for the ride.
As I said before, the problem with a human is the amount of current/charge required to lift you.
The necessary insulators (air, and the tether) break down at currents required to generate enough lorentz force to lift your mass.
The best numbers? I bet you're the smartest guy you know. I bet your IQ is huge.
and even the sattelites that are now mostly used instead were loosing calibration.
I want you to know that sentences like that make it very hard to trust your intelligence, not to mention your education.
but the error on that average was still plus or minus a couple of degrees for each year.
Wait, did I just read that you're discounting a measurable change over decades because the yearly rate has error bars of greater than the yearly divisor of the aggregate change? Ok, fuck your spelling. It's irrelevant. You have just broadcast to everyone here that you're quite literally incapable of deductive thought processes. If only the field of statistics had your knowledge- god knows what we could accomplish.
didn't collect any readings from the oceans 150 years ago for example
WHAT? What the flying fuck does this have to do with the error margins on contemporary readings!?
I have to surmise that you're in fact a liar. There's no way you did anything approaching research- you have demonstrated a clear deficit in the mental acuity required for it.
Quit spreading your half-baked horse shit to defend your fragile mind from the cognitive dissonance imposed upon from reality collapsing in on your little belief bubble. Seriously, you've pushed this shit far enough that I don't feel civility is in order anymore. You are criminally stupid.
I couldn't give a shit about the funding implications.
"AGW" is a direct result of basic fucking physics and thermodynamics. To deny it is to delude oneself, period.
Now, measuring the precise amounts of AGW, that's a trick, because the Earth is a big fucking complicated system with all kinds of reservoirs for positive and negative feedbacks at varying rates of fill or potentially release hidden all over the place, but it's quite clear the deniers aren't interested in the nuance, because they're chasing the God of the Gaps here. They simply move their argument to whatever the next gap in knowledge is whenever one is filled, completely ignoring the *fact* that these gaps will eventually all be filled, and initial conclusions supported, because the basic fucking physics dictated it long before we had the details.
How does a spider generate more electromagnetic force per mass than the strongest magnets ever devised?
They don't. They're holding on to a really good static charge accumulator, and then using the Earth's magnetic field to get a little bit of lift out of it. You can do it too, but the electric potentials required to move you noticeably are going to be more than enough to bridge the distance from your tether to the ground (your head)
You likely wouldn't survive the experience.
You think rich men can't be bought for anything but exorbitant prices?
Some rich men need no more. Trump is quite clearly not one of those kind. There's no reason to think he can't be bought for the price of a niece piece of beach property in Gelendzhik. Beyond that, there's no reason to think he wouldn't sell the inferior of his two daughters for a cheeseburger.
Some poor men need no more.
South America has some Australia-worthy species, but otherwise, ya. If you don't live in one of those places, don't bitch about spiders being evil. They don't chase you down and try to kill you
Objectively speaking, you're right. The republicans definitely lost the weaponizing-state-apparatuses-to-harm-your-political-opponents game, and it was their own fault. After the shit show they trawled Clinton through, they should have been far more careful on who they let into the Oval Office
I can see ionized air that it is passing through well enough.
Can you produce it?
Yes?
You just take it on faith that electricity exists don't you?
No.. I may have to take the underlying QED in faith because that's a little harder to observe at my level, but electricity? Definitely not.
Have you ever actually been to a coal plant?
No
Are you there when the electrons pass through wires?
No
You aren't there. YOU take it on FAITH.
Definitely not. I take it on understanding, having generated electricity with moving magnetic fields and wire, and having powered things from that generated power.
Unsure how that's relevant, though. Witnessing a first-order result of something invisible is pretty good evidence of the invisible thing.
You may begin giving your alternative explanations for what's ionizing that gas.
No, he's most definitely not. The thing about a dog whistle, is only dogs can hear it.
Whereas ethnic groups are forming 'no-go zones' all around Europe
That is code for muslims.
I'll admit it's possible that you may not understand the background rhetoric of 'no-go zones' in Europe, but I think it's far more likely that you're just another shitstain trying to put a veneer of euphemistic language atop your racists beliefs.
There are clouds of gas in space radiating x-rays via black-body radiation. I can't remember how many millions of Kelvin they are, but within such a cloud, the background radiation flux will be significantly high, neverminding the rare interactions with the obscenely hot gas molecules themselves. Passive cooling will be problematic there, assuming you can survive being there at all.
I don't care if she's a commie or a libertarian. As long as she doesn't think it's OK to have state organs extrajudicially murdering dissidents, or controlling local populaces with the fear of being dragged in back of a building and shot, she's not a fucking Stasi. Is that hard?
What's this shit about pens? Why are you throwing up a smoke screen for the man?
He's currently under 17 ethics violation, not a single one of them has anything to do with some fucking overpriced pens.
Don't try to purposefully conflate people trying to throw dirt at the man with the very real ethics violation and corruption he's been caught red-handed engaging in.
Yes, the leftists pushed him out, with their massive political power in the current Government.
Fucking moron.
Him being gone has nothing to do with leftists, that corrupt shitstain simply crossed a threshold where it was realized that he would start becoming a liability to get *any* middle voters. Pruitt is an example of Trump filling the swamp, and he won because he promised to some desperate people who really didn't like him very much to drain it. He'll need those people if he wants 2020, and if the republicans want 2018.
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Are these spiders even drifting primarily north
Good question. I'd bet they do, though.
I suspect local weather patterns have a lot more to do with where they end up, though.
I don't mean (why don't we use this to allow humans to fly), but why for example junkyard electromagnets do not float when such high current is run through them (ar they at least lighter?). Certainly they must have a higher energy potential per mass than the spider and its silk?
OK, I think I see what you're asking.
The problem there is density.
It would take a very long and very powerfully charged electrodynamic tether to lift a human. It would have to push against a lot of the earth's field. Your electromagnet is quite dense, and is pushing on a comparatively small amount of flux from a very weak field.
I imagine it would levitate diamagnetically against the ground long before it could produce enough teslas to levitate its own mass against the very weak field from the Earth. If its mass were stretched out to interact with as much of the Earth's field as possible, it would stand a better chance. A lot like a web in the air will fly, but rolled into a ball of silk, will not.
First off, I want to congratulate you on literally the most egregious run-on sentence I have ever seen.
Second, how could a lack of care about the underlying theoretical pinnings of a physical phenomenon with easily visible effects that can be modeled easily enough with just that, in response to someone making a joking (I hope) retort to being able to deny electricity exists be construed as entanglement of... well, anything?
I think the word emitting part of your brain works a lot faster than the part that forms coherent thoughts.
That man needs more than money. In fact, he has more of that than he needs. There are other currencies when buying politicians. In fact, they're preferred since literal bribes are illegal.
Trump would sell out an entire class of people to get a golf course somewhere he wanted one, but could not put it.
and that's why he owns puny politicians like Putin and McConnell
OK, you're just a fucking idiot.
Putin would have that man straight up killed if the cost ever dropped below the return. Beyond that, Putin is one of the richest humans on the planet, while Trump is barely a blip at the bottom of the world's billionaires. Why are you so in love with that con artist?
Again, so?
As I said, the first-order effects of electricity are readily observable. Sure, the underlying theory behind it may not be, but that's hardly relevant. I don't care if god is pushing little electroangels through the air. So technically, it just doesn't fucking matter if I can see it while gauging its existence.
His name alone, when licensed properly, is enough for him
Enough for him to make money- yes. Enough for him ?
I'm surprised you don't see right through that, when all available evidence is to the contrary. The man is still monetizing his presidency. He clearly doesn't have enough.
I'm confused by that question...
The spider isn't generating the force...
The spider web accumulates a static charge, being a long enough tether, there is a potential difference at the anode, and current will flow, which means the Lorentz force is now giving some force to the spider system. The spider is just along for the ride.
As I said before, the problem with a human is the amount of current/charge required to lift you.
The necessary insulators (air, and the tether) break down at currents required to generate enough lorentz force to lift your mass.
I got good numbers - great numbers in fact.
The best numbers? I bet you're the smartest guy you know. I bet your IQ is huge.
and even the sattelites that are now mostly used instead were loosing calibration.
I want you to know that sentences like that make it very hard to trust your intelligence, not to mention your education.
but the error on that average was still plus or minus a couple of degrees for each year.
Wait, did I just read that you're discounting a measurable change over decades because the yearly rate has error bars of greater than the yearly divisor of the aggregate change? Ok, fuck your spelling. It's irrelevant. You have just broadcast to everyone here that you're quite literally incapable of deductive thought processes.
If only the field of statistics had your knowledge- god knows what we could accomplish.
didn't collect any readings from the oceans 150 years ago for example
WHAT? What the flying fuck does this have to do with the error margins on contemporary readings!?
I have to surmise that you're in fact a liar. There's no way you did anything approaching research- you have demonstrated a clear deficit in the mental acuity required for it.
Quit spreading your half-baked horse shit to defend your fragile mind from the cognitive dissonance imposed upon from reality collapsing in on your little belief bubble. Seriously, you've pushed this shit far enough that I don't feel civility is in order anymore. You are criminally stupid.
I couldn't give a shit about the funding implications. "AGW" is a direct result of basic fucking physics and thermodynamics. To deny it is to delude oneself, period.
Now, measuring the precise amounts of AGW, that's a trick, because the Earth is a big fucking complicated system with all kinds of reservoirs for positive and negative feedbacks at varying rates of fill or potentially release hidden all over the place, but it's quite clear the deniers aren't interested in the nuance, because they're chasing the God of the Gaps here. They simply move their argument to whatever the next gap in knowledge is whenever one is filled, completely ignoring the *fact* that these gaps will eventually all be filled, and initial conclusions supported, because the basic fucking physics dictated it long before we had the details.
How does a spider generate more electromagnetic force per mass than the strongest magnets ever devised?
They don't. They're holding on to a really good static charge accumulator, and then using the Earth's magnetic field to get a little bit of lift out of it. You can do it too, but the electric potentials required to move you noticeably are going to be more than enough to bridge the distance from your tether to the ground (your head)
You likely wouldn't survive the experience.
Where, precisely, do you think the motive force comes from with their statically charged filament?
*nice
You think rich men can't be bought for anything but exorbitant prices?
Some rich men need no more. Trump is quite clearly not one of those kind. There's no reason to think he can't be bought for the price of a niece piece of beach property in Gelendzhik. Beyond that, there's no reason to think he wouldn't sell the inferior of his two daughters for a cheeseburger.
Some poor men need no more.
South America has some Australia-worthy species, but otherwise, ya. If you don't live in one of those places, don't bitch about spiders being evil. They don't chase you down and try to kill you
Objectively speaking, you're right. The republicans definitely lost the weaponizing-state-apparatuses-to-harm-your-political-opponents game, and it was their own fault. After the shit show they trawled Clinton through, they should have been far more careful on who they let into the Oval Office
Or he left it there to hopefully save some poor hill person from finding the parody post insightful
Can you see electricity?
I can see ionized air that it is passing through well enough.
Can you produce it?
Yes?
You just take it on faith that electricity exists don't you?
No.. I may have to take the underlying QED in faith because that's a little harder to observe at my level, but electricity? Definitely not.
Have you ever actually been to a coal plant?
No
Are you there when the electrons pass through wires?
No
You aren't there. YOU take it on FAITH.
Definitely not. I take it on understanding, having generated electricity with moving magnetic fields and wire, and having powered things from that generated power.
Unsure how that's relevant, though. Witnessing a first-order result of something invisible is pretty good evidence of the invisible thing. You may begin giving your alternative explanations for what's ionizing that gas.
Whereas ethnic groups are forming 'no-go zones' all around Europe
That is code for muslims.
I'll admit it's possible that you may not understand the background rhetoric of 'no-go zones' in Europe, but I think it's far more likely that you're just another shitstain trying to put a veneer of euphemistic language atop your racists beliefs.
There are clouds of gas in space radiating x-rays via black-body radiation. I can't remember how many millions of Kelvin they are, but within such a cloud, the background radiation flux will be significantly high, neverminding the rare interactions with the obscenely hot gas molecules themselves. Passive cooling will be problematic there, assuming you can survive being there at all.
Sweet. Maybe he'll label me an enemy of the people.
Given that the specific context was the cooling of the power source for some imaginary vessel, yes. I'd say that's even a reasonable interpretation.
I don't care if she's a commie or a libertarian. As long as she doesn't think it's OK to have state organs extrajudicially murdering dissidents, or controlling local populaces with the fear of being dragged in back of a building and shot, she's not a fucking Stasi. Is that hard?
*violation investigations
What's this shit about pens? Why are you throwing up a smoke screen for the man?
He's currently under 17 ethics violation, not a single one of them has anything to do with some fucking overpriced pens.
Don't try to purposefully conflate people trying to throw dirt at the man with the very real ethics violation and corruption he's been caught red-handed engaging in.
Yes, the leftists pushed him out, with their massive political power in the current Government.
Fucking moron.
Him being gone has nothing to do with leftists, that corrupt shitstain simply crossed a threshold where it was realized that he would start becoming a liability to get *any* middle voters. Pruitt is an example of Trump filling the swamp, and he won because he promised to some desperate people who really didn't like him very much to drain it. He'll need those people if he wants 2020, and if the republicans want 2018.