Yep, most of the general public the commercial is aimed at totally knows the difference between "viruses" and "vulnerabilities". They can also tell you what the difference is between a "trojan" and a "worm". And also hand code their own kernels. I hate to break this to you, but the collection of geek knowledge on Slashdot!=general public knowledge.
Or could it simply be that Apple wants people to think that they never have to worry about security, because Macs are just immune? Because most of the general public idiots I talk to, and the Mac folks I support on my job, seem to think and say that very thing... Security through obscurity isn't like Colt.45 - it doesn't work every time.
Easy, iPods have way more of a 5% marketshare in their product market. Once again proving my point that the most used is the most attacked. Think of iPods as the "Windows" of the mp3 world - they are the most commonly used so they will be the most targeted.
It sure seems like a straw man as you were referring to the frequency of how often your system checks for updates, and not how often updates are released. Seeing the checking frequency is 100% determined by the user, it is a not related in any way to how often updates are released, it IS a strawman argument. Your second post clarified a little better what you meant, but I stand by my inital post as your inital post only refers to how often Windows Update runs a check compared to Apple Software Update.
I believe the one he is referring to is called "Viruses". Tanscript follows -
MAC: Hello, I'm a Mac.
PC: And I'm a PC.
PC: Atchoo! Atchoo! Atchoo!
MAC: Gesundheit! Are you okay?
PC: No I'm not OK. I have that virus that's going around.
MAC: Oh yeah.
PC: In fact, you better stay back. This one's a doozy.
MAC: That's okay I'll be fine.
Just what conclusion do you think Apple wants the public to draw from this? Seems to me like they want people to think that Macs are immune to all viruses..Looks like I better tell my sister who got the OSX/Leap-A virus that she needn't worry about her Mac, "it will be just fine." (True story when she found out she was infected, the first words out of her mouth were "But Macs don't get viruses!")
An exploit is an exploit is an exploit. I'm not going to bother splitting hairs over that stupid argument. There WERE remote exploits, at least 3 of them. The only reason they aren't "in the wild" yet is because there isn't profit to be had by attacking an OS with less than 5% marketshare.
Let's all be honest - the only "secure" system would be one locked in a room nobody was allowed in ever, and not connected to any other machines. An operating system is just that - nothing magical or special about it. Every OS has flaws, and every OS can also be hardened. It is the techniques that matter, not the underlying OS.
Hey, I've had my TRS-80 around for 25 years without a single trojan, virus or remote exploit infecting it! Most securely designed OS ever! And it had "OS-9" way before Apple!
"Some local privilege escalations that nobody beyond a couple of security researchers have paid attention to is nothing compared to the stuff a Windows user has to put up with."
Yeah, Windows users have to put up with a constant stream of hypocritical double standards by rabid Mac Fanboys on Slashdot...
I know my history, and I am not confusing "Woz" (not Waz) with Jobs. Wozniak was the hardware engineer genius. Jobs hired Nolan Bushnell and Regis McKenna who were brilliant marketers and had all the right connections. Especially Bushnell who put Jobs in touch with Don Valentine, a venture capatalist who invested a big chunk of money in Apple, and also told the president of Intel that Apple was worth looking into. After the success of the Apple I and II, Jobs rolled out the complte disaster that was the Apple III, and followed that with the Lisa. After he was stripped of power at Apple by the man he brought on board, he founded NeXtStep to design hardware to compete with Apple and IBM. After 4 years and $250 million of resarch and development, he closed down the hardware side to concertrate on software. He then decided that he COULD build a computer aimed at college students. After some delays the NeXtStep computer was finally released in 1989. It was a monochrome system with no floppy drive and no useful applications with a price tag of $7000. Guess what? College students didn't jump over themselves trying to buy one. Jobs is an egomaniac who doesn't consider what his cutomers want, only what he wants to design. He drove many brilliant people out of Apple due to his "unique" management style. I think Jobs is a genius personally, but not a good businessman. He may have had some luck in the business world, but I believe a portion of it was incidental. He has got tons of charisma and can make people believe anything, to the point of the "reality distortion field" he is credited with creating around him. Leader, visionary, pioneer, entrepeneur are all fitting titles. I guess we are basically disagreeing on the definiton of "businessman". I didn't mean it as a slight - to me a "buisnessman" IS the stuffy suited bean counter worried about only turning a profit for the quarter and not the "big picture". I don't see Jobs poring over the P&L statements and wondering what he is going to say at the next stockholder's meeting.
If you want it to last, I'd avoid the 3rd party toners. Spend the extra $25 on the genuine HP ones - I have had a couple really BIG messes to clean up by buying the cheap off brand toners. You get what you pay for.
Or just do like me and fire up the laser printer when you actually need to print something, than turn it off when done. I have never understood the need to keep a printer running 100% of the time at home when you are only printing 1% of the time or less.
At my job the printer that gives me the least hassle is our oldest one - a HP Laserjet 5Si/Mx. This sucker is 9 1/2 years old and has had well over 1.5 million pages go through it. Only thing I have had to replace is the fuser, a sensor or two, and various pickup rollers. It has watched a couple LJ4000 and 4050s, a color LJ 4500, and a handfull of 1100s and other various Deskjets bite the dust along the way.
If you had asked Jobs what he hoped to be back in the early 70s, I'm sure his answer would have been "a good businessman". He may have invented the iMac, but he also invented the Lisa and the NeXt Cube. And if you are giving Jobs sole credit for building Apple back up, you are slapping the face of the other actual "good businessmen" at Apple. Jobs never set out to make a profit, by default that makes him a poor businessman. Great inventor, creator, motivator, and marketer, but not businessman.
"In 2001, Steve Jobs was granted stock options in the amount of 7,500,000 shares of Apple with an exercise price of $18.30, which allegedly should have been $21.10, thereby incurring taxable income of $20,000,000 that he did not report as income. Apple overstated its earnings by that same amount. If found liable, Jobs may face a number of criminal charges and civil penalties. Apple claimed that the options were originally granted at a special board meeting that may never have taken place. Furthermore, the investigation is focusing on false dating of the options resulting in a retroactive US$20 million increase in the exercise price."
A good businessman would have found a much better way to hide his income.
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home" - 1977, Ken Olsen, president Digital Equipment
You really can't understand why the top man in a computer harware company would want 5 different models to play around with? I mean christ, I have 3 desktops and a laptop in my house and I don't even work for a computer hardware company...
Thank you raving anti-MS lunatic. If you hate Windows and MySpace so much, don't use them. Nobody is "forcing" you to use either. Or does the Adult Film Producers Guild require the use of Windows and MySpace??
No, he's really not. He is a visionary and great at motivating others, but no, not a very good businessman. For god sake he was fired from the company he started! But he is smart enough to realize his limitations, and hire the right people that are good businessmen.
Yeah, we better fill that hole with a useless law. My God, for a second there parents were almost responsible for their own children's actions. I will feel much more relieved when the government is raising children again!
On a side note, does anyone else recall that in the 80s a 14 year old kid had no problems renting R rated movies? I would do it all the time. Only one place I rented at actually required parental permission for kids to rent R rated movies. If mom and dad said it was okay, they would rent them to you.
But then again myself and all my age related peers ARE all psychopathic serial rapists and murderers now due to this very fact.... Damn you Jack Thompson you were right!
Who said the email address was provided to be abusive? You really think that public educators should be completely separate and unavailable to talk to or comment to? I pay her salary and if I want to have a word with her, I should be able to. There needs to be public outcry about stupidity like this, because all the lawyers and judges can't change a damn thing - only public opinion influences those that make the laws.
And what evidence isn't complete? The police have dropped the charges, and the school has admitted that the student made the call in question one hour before the bomb threat came in. Am I missing anything?
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"the lead singer would spread peanut butter on his naked chest while cutting himself with a broken bottle on stage"
Wasn't Iggy Pop doing that like 5 years earlier?
Yeah, because there is sure a shortage of other subjects to criticize Bush on these days...
Yep, most of the general public the commercial is aimed at totally knows the difference between "viruses" and "vulnerabilities". They can also tell you what the difference is between a "trojan" and a "worm". And also hand code their own kernels. I hate to break this to you, but the collection of geek knowledge on Slashdot!=general public knowledge.
.45 - it doesn't work every time.
Or could it simply be that Apple wants people to think that they never have to worry about security, because Macs are just immune? Because most of the general public idiots I talk to, and the Mac folks I support on my job, seem to think and say that very thing... Security through obscurity isn't like Colt
Any figures to back up your claims?
Easy, iPods have way more of a 5% marketshare in their product market. Once again proving my point that the most used is the most attacked. Think of iPods as the "Windows" of the mp3 world - they are the most commonly used so they will be the most targeted.
It sure seems like a straw man as you were referring to the frequency of how often your system checks for updates, and not how often updates are released. Seeing the checking frequency is 100% determined by the user, it is a not related in any way to how often updates are released, it IS a strawman argument. Your second post clarified a little better what you meant, but I stand by my inital post as your inital post only refers to how often Windows Update runs a check compared to Apple Software Update.
Informative? How is this informative? How often your system checks for updates is entirely up to the user. Please take your straw man down now.
I believe the one he is referring to is called "Viruses". Tanscript follows -
MAC: Hello, I'm a Mac.
PC: And I'm a PC.
PC: Atchoo! Atchoo! Atchoo!
MAC: Gesundheit! Are you okay?
PC: No I'm not OK. I have that virus that's going around.
MAC: Oh yeah.
PC: In fact, you better stay back. This one's a doozy.
MAC: That's okay I'll be fine.
Just what conclusion do you think Apple wants the public to draw from this? Seems to me like they want people to think that Macs are immune to all viruses..Looks like I better tell my sister who got the OSX/Leap-A virus that she needn't worry about her Mac, "it will be just fine." (True story when she found out she was infected, the first words out of her mouth were "But Macs don't get viruses!")
An exploit is an exploit is an exploit. I'm not going to bother splitting hairs over that stupid argument. There WERE remote exploits, at least 3 of them. The only reason they aren't "in the wild" yet is because there isn't profit to be had by attacking an OS with less than 5% marketshare.
Let's all be honest - the only "secure" system would be one locked in a room nobody was allowed in ever, and not connected to any other machines. An operating system is just that - nothing magical or special about it. Every OS has flaws, and every OS can also be hardened. It is the techniques that matter, not the underlying OS.
Hey, I've had my TRS-80 around for 25 years without a single trojan, virus or remote exploit infecting it! Most securely designed OS ever! And it had "OS-9" way before Apple!
"Some local privilege escalations that nobody beyond a couple of security researchers have paid attention to is nothing compared to the stuff a Windows user has to put up with."
Yeah, Windows users have to put up with a constant stream of hypocritical double standards by rabid Mac Fanboys on Slashdot...
I know my history, and I am not confusing "Woz" (not Waz) with Jobs. Wozniak was the hardware engineer genius.
Jobs hired Nolan Bushnell and Regis McKenna who were brilliant marketers and had all the right connections. Especially Bushnell who put Jobs in touch with Don Valentine, a venture capatalist who invested a big chunk of money in Apple, and also told the president of Intel that Apple was worth looking into. After the success of the Apple I and II, Jobs rolled out the complte disaster that was the Apple III, and followed that with the Lisa. After he was stripped of power at Apple by the man he brought on board, he founded NeXtStep to design hardware to compete with Apple and IBM. After 4 years and $250 million of resarch and development, he closed down the hardware side to concertrate on software. He then decided that he COULD build a computer aimed at college students. After some delays the NeXtStep computer was finally released in 1989. It was a monochrome system with no floppy drive and no useful applications with a price tag of $7000. Guess what? College students didn't jump over themselves trying to buy one. Jobs is an egomaniac who doesn't consider what his cutomers want, only what he wants to design. He drove many brilliant people out of Apple due to his "unique" management style. I think Jobs is a genius personally, but not a good businessman. He may have had some luck in the business world, but I believe a portion of it was incidental. He has got tons of charisma and can make people believe anything, to the point of the "reality distortion field" he is credited with creating around him. Leader, visionary, pioneer, entrepeneur are all fitting titles. I guess we are basically disagreeing on the definiton of "businessman". I didn't mean it as a slight - to me a "buisnessman" IS the stuffy suited bean counter worried about only turning a profit for the quarter and not the "big picture". I don't see Jobs poring over the P&L statements and wondering what he is going to say at the next stockholder's meeting.
If you want it to last, I'd avoid the 3rd party toners. Spend the extra $25 on the genuine HP ones - I have had a couple really BIG messes to clean up by buying the cheap off brand toners. You get what you pay for.
Or just do like me and fire up the laser printer when you actually need to print something, than turn it off when done. I have never understood the need to keep a printer running 100% of the time at home when you are only printing 1% of the time or less.
At my job the printer that gives me the least hassle is our oldest one - a HP Laserjet 5Si/Mx. This sucker is 9 1/2 years old and has had well over 1.5 million pages go through it. Only thing I have had to replace is the fuser, a sensor or two, and various pickup rollers. It has watched a couple LJ4000 and 4050s, a color LJ 4500, and a handfull of 1100s and other various Deskjets bite the dust along the way.
Sure, try this site for a news alternative to Slashdot. Mostly, it's is a little more accurate. Mostly.
Epson will have a $99 version one by the end of summer. The drawback is that prints will cost $5 each.
If you had asked Jobs what he hoped to be back in the early 70s, I'm sure his answer would have been "a good businessman". He may have invented the iMac, but he also invented the Lisa and the NeXt Cube. And if you are giving Jobs sole credit for building Apple back up, you are slapping the face of the other actual "good businessmen" at Apple. Jobs never set out to make a profit, by default that makes him a poor businessman. Great inventor, creator, motivator, and marketer, but not businessman.
"In 2001, Steve Jobs was granted stock options in the amount of 7,500,000 shares of Apple with an exercise price of $18.30, which allegedly should have been $21.10, thereby incurring taxable income of $20,000,000 that he did not report as income. Apple overstated its earnings by that same amount. If found liable, Jobs may face a number of criminal charges and civil penalties. Apple claimed that the options were originally granted at a special board meeting that may never have taken place. Furthermore, the investigation is focusing on false dating of the options resulting in a retroactive US$20 million increase in the exercise price."
A good businessman would have found a much better way to hide his income.
Just out of curiosity, what does your electric bill run a month?
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home" - 1977, Ken Olsen, president Digital Equipment
You really can't understand why the top man in a computer harware company would want 5 different models to play around with? I mean christ, I have 3 desktops and a laptop in my house and I don't even work for a computer hardware company...
Thank you raving anti-MS lunatic. If you hate Windows and MySpace so much, don't use them. Nobody is "forcing" you to use either. Or does the Adult Film Producers Guild require the use of Windows and MySpace??
No, he's really not. He is a visionary and great at motivating others, but no, not a very good businessman. For god sake he was fired from the company he started! But he is smart enough to realize his limitations, and hire the right people that are good businessmen.
Or just buy the damn implants for yourself. If fake boobs are better than none, wouldn't having a nice big set of your own be better than not?
Yeah, we better fill that hole with a useless law. My God, for a second there parents were almost responsible for their own children's actions. I will feel much more relieved when the government is raising children again!
On a side note, does anyone else recall that in the 80s a 14 year old kid had no problems renting R rated movies? I would do it all the time. Only one place I rented at actually required parental permission for kids to rent R rated movies. If mom and dad said it was okay, they would rent them to you.
But then again myself and all my age related peers ARE all psychopathic serial rapists and murderers now due to this very fact.... Damn you Jack Thompson you were right!
Who said the email address was provided to be abusive? You really think that public educators should be completely separate and unavailable to talk to or comment to? I pay her salary and if I want to have a word with her, I should be able to. There needs to be public outcry about stupidity like this, because all the lawyers and judges can't change a damn thing - only public opinion influences those that make the laws.
And what evidence isn't complete? The police have dropped the charges, and the school has admitted that the student made the call in question one hour before the bomb threat came in. Am I missing anything?
"Anyway, by Goldwin's Law, the discussion is over"
Heh, isn't that Goldberg's Law?