Your missing the point entirely the VMs work in the same way. They both compile to bytecode do you understand what that means? The only real difference is that Java has a JIT compiler and is faster because of it. You can use Psyco which is a JIT VM for Python. The point is they are both hosted in a VM and compiled in to bytecode and both are capable of doing JIT compilation.
Your making the assumption that the fact that Python has an interpreter mode that it's only interpreted and that is simply false. The interpreter is simply for real time debugging and testing the language is ultimately compiled in to bytecode and run in a VM with the potential for doing JIT with psyco.
The real issue seems to be you don't know anything else except Java or don't have knowledge about whats available except in the Java world.
Uh those languages that were mentioned as replacements like Python work exactly like Java in that they run in a portable VM and are interpreted in to bytecode by a compiler just like Java. Compiled python files usually have a pyc extension. Python too is a portable, networked, object oriented *application* language. So what the hell are you talking about or do you just not know what you are talking about. Also python is 100% open source developed by the community and not beholden to a corporate master like Java is to Oracle.
You may know Java but that does not make it anything more than a language you know. I know Java, Javascript, Python, Perl, and Ruby and when it comes to coding I would pick Python as one of the cleanest and most straight forward syntax wise. And it's what I chose when I am coding for my own interests.
I cannot count the number of Java applications that I have been forced to use and work on that perform terribly and are unstable for reasons that seem to relate to the JVM.
Hey all that business software used to be in COBOL or Visual Basic or Visual C++ maybe it's time to move on and let Oracle just have Java all to themselves. Personally I was never impressed with Java.
Removing what features exactly. You don't even have to use the DEs if you don't like you can stick with FVWM if that's what floats your boat. That just sounds like romanticized rubbish.
We have 10% unemployment how can he say that and not be run out of Washington on a rail. American jobs are caught in a pincer between improved automation and continued outsourcing. Which is in part why the economy can grow with almost no change in the unemployment figure. That 10% percent may be the new norm only replaced by a higher figure next decade. Honestly any president that says such a foolish thing after taking a drubbing in the mid terms due to frustration in part over high unemployment is just a damn fool.
Academics? You sure about that? This appears to be a corporation that offers sort of consultation services about launch capabilities, planning and verification they are involved in such launch programs as Atlas I and II, Centaur, Delta II, and EELV they might have an agenda. Not sure if they do but they may be crapping their pants over much cheaper alternatives to their expensive federally funded program (just saying)
You mean like source code that was open sourced already under the GPL v2 http://openjdk,java.net/legal
I am not sure are class and method definitions considered copyrightable I mean that's like header files being copyrightable. Sounds to me like ole Larry said sue them his lawyers said OK and no one at Oracle has a clue what they are doing.
Wow rare to see an actual MS fanboy much less one on Slashdot. Xbox 360 fantastic product with around 50% failure rate that's a bit of hyperbole. Courrier was a demo it does not exist. Windows phone 7 is a step in the right direction but they are so far behind in the phone space it's like Zune all over again. Microsoft has been missing the boat entirely on a number of fronts for a few years now. I suspect it's grown to big to innovate anymore it's all design by committee now. They have surpassed their nemesis IBM for bureaucracy. They have become that which they despised.
Yeah here's a tip the reason there is a lot of insecure code out there is that there are a lot of programmers out there that think that security problems are overstated and a bunch of hype. That's one of the reasons there are so many problems they think they have it all figured out when they clearly don't. They think security just slows them down and gets in their way. So how are you going to get this recalcitrant bunch to use the super secure language?
I don't sync devices with USB to my computer anymore that was last decade. When you say on the cloud what do you mean? You do realize your email travels across the internet unencrypted and is readable by anyone in the path unless you have taken measures to encrypt every email right? The future is sending data directly to the device over the Internet or VPN if your so inclined just as you would your desktop. So setup a mail server and have your device connect to the mail server via imap or POP3 and ical... over VPN if you prefer.
Plugging in a device to your desktop to sync is silly and archaic at this point. If you want a file off of your desktop buy a phone with ssh sftp client and ssh sftp the file just as you would from your desktop. It's past time to think of your phone as a little computer with much the same capabilities as your big computer because that's what it is now. Apps you get from whatever app store music and content the same all done wirelessly there's really no need to plug in except for power.
Tablets are a fad and won't even be around in 5 years. The suckers that believe Steve's BS already have one the rest of us have moved on already. And the ones that did buy it even admit now that it's a toy and they don't really use it much. After they showed up at the coffee shop and could not figure how to hold it and nobody told them how cool they were for having an iPad they are ready to move on too.
You did catch where he said he was with a government agency right? So it's not tax deductible. That being said if they are paying 1k for a mediocre Dell then whoever is doing the shopping is not doing such a hot job should be a lot closer to ~600.00. Even still though most warranty support sucks with the PC vendors anyway it's usually NOT on site it's usually they will send you parts AFTER an hour on the phone to Bangalore where they ask such gems as "did you reboot?". Really you will save time just having the spares on hand to swap out parts immediately and not waste your time on their "customer service". There is no such thing in the razor thin margins business of selling computers as good customer service anymore it does not exist. Hell of a lot of time would be saved just ordering a replacement for the used spare off of newegg.
I have used sharepoint with office at work all the time and I still think about 10 garden variety content management systems based on the LAMP stack are about 100x better. Personally I don't see why anyone would actually spend licencing money on sharepoint it sucks. It's like a shared drive on the web it doesn't really do anything worthwhile. Even with office integration.
Yeah I have an Zotac dual core atom ION nettop and it works well full screen flash with hulu I am running the Windows 7 distro. Sorry probably not what you were looking for. I am generally a Linux guy and I considered running mythbuntu or some such on that IPTV box. But the reality is the online media world is made for Windows desktops so I decided not to fight that particular battle in that case (pick your battles carefully right?). My desktop is Kubuntu 10.04 though.
Oh wow people are stupid. Android is open source the Chinese tablet and mobile handset makers can and do download the source and do whatever the hell they want with it including replace Google with Baidu search. What google controls is their app marketplace which if you want on your device you have to play by their rules. That's not to say you can't have your own app store as some do like Archos it's just not a Google branded Android device at that point it's an Archos branded device. BFD it's still open you just have to choose as a device maker whether you want to have a Google android device or not but you get a choice. John Gruber just entered Apple Fanboy land... at least we now know where his bullshit is coming from.
Release early and release often is one of the fundamental tenets ESR spelled out in the Cathedral and the Bazaar I believe. Why should anyone be surprised or disappointed that early versions of the code aren't perfect yet? Seriously that's just dumb. The open source model can not be brought up to speed to fix anything until there is source code released to look at and improve.
Yeah this is a totally new concept for people that are used to being on what ever companies upgrade treadmill. I mean in many cases the commercial products been mature for years the only reason THEY come up with updates is they need your money for them to have.
More people die on the roads due to automobile accidents every year in America by a long shot. Have some perspective in terms of real actual risk. In those terms it was a tiny poke. 2752 people died as a result of the World Trade center incident in the ten years since 330,000 or so have died in automobile accidents. And yet because of the 2752 we are willing to give up out basic freedoms. We have the government using millimeter wave radar on it's citizens and everyone taking off their shoes at the airport not to mention the wiretaps that AT&T help them put in place. It's absolutely a disproportionate illogical reaction based purely on fear and emotion and has no perspective for real risk at all. And holy crap are defense contractors cashing in on the copious quantities of cash that are being thrown at the problem. As if security is a product you can buy off the shelf.
If we were to use logic and critical thinking in this country we would burn more calories trying to figure out how to deal with drunk and irresponsible driving than terrorism. But we prefer not to think.
Here is what every Apple fanboy does. Try and rationalize and blindly justify everything Apple does including the gaffes. I have nothing actually against Apple or Steve Jobs I generally like the products themselves. But I am so fucking sick of unthinking unquestioning Steve Jobs cock sucking Apple fanboys I can' stand it.
Can we please please mother fucking please just put all the hipster douchebags on the goddamned B ark already and shoot the fucking thing in to the Sun? Please?
You sir are dead wrong, could not be more so. See the Athlon 64 vs. the Pentium 4 for a good example of why you are so horribly wrong. Or for that matter even better example 2.4 Ghz core 2 duo vs. 3.8 Ghz pentium 4. It's been a while since the industry figured out that better CPU architecture like multiple execution units beats a high clocked long pipeline architecture. This is a geek site why and how did this ever get modded up?
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It's not the Java VM it's the Davlik VM that uses the Java language it does not ship on any desktop OS it ships on embedded phones and a few tablets. It's not fragmenting Java it's a whole other alternate VM that uses the Java language for embedded systems like JME. Personally I wish they had created some sort of python based VM I don't much care for Java as a language too verbose to do simple things. Plus Oracle probably does have legitimate VM patent claims. If goggle is smart they will settle somehow. Google was definitely trying to leverage the fact that a lot of developers are comfortable with the Java language and that part makes some sense.
Thinking about it though even if they dropped Java or never used the Java language for Android Oracle could still sue them because these are virtual machine patents so anyone with a VM (adobe flash/ MS.Net) could also be sued I would imagine.
Yes get the human drama out so everyone loses interest and you lose all your funding excellent plan! You still need queen Isabella and that means entertaining her in court to get the funding you need. If you don't get that well then you likely aren't politically adept. The Apollo program made NASA not the rovers.
Perhaps if he is incapable of changing such a poor password he is also incapable of disabling WAN admin access properly? Or he changed his story after feeling some shame for having such a crap password? Basically if password1 was the password he seems clueless and thus all he says afterwards suspect.
Also if that was the password you should have no expectation of security or privacy.
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Your missing the point entirely the VMs work in the same way. They both compile to bytecode do you understand what that means? The only real difference is that Java has a JIT compiler and is faster because of it. You can use Psyco which is a JIT VM for Python. The point is they are both hosted in a VM and compiled in to bytecode and both are capable of doing JIT compilation.
Your making the assumption that the fact that Python has an interpreter mode that it's only interpreted and that is simply false. The interpreter is simply for real time debugging and testing the language is ultimately compiled in to bytecode and run in a VM with the potential for doing JIT with psyco.
The real issue seems to be you don't know anything else except Java or don't have knowledge about whats available except in the Java world.
Uh those languages that were mentioned as replacements like Python work exactly like Java in that they run in a portable VM and are interpreted in to bytecode by a compiler just like Java. Compiled python files usually have a pyc extension. Python too is a portable, networked, object oriented *application* language. So what the hell are you talking about or do you just not know what you are talking about. Also python is 100% open source developed by the community and not beholden to a corporate master like Java is to Oracle.
You may know Java but that does not make it anything more than a language you know. I know Java, Javascript, Python, Perl, and Ruby and when it comes to coding I would pick Python as one of the cleanest and most straight forward syntax wise. And it's what I chose when I am coding for my own interests.
I cannot count the number of Java applications that I have been forced to use and work on that perform terribly and are unstable for reasons that seem to relate to the JVM.
Hey all that business software used to be in COBOL or Visual Basic or Visual C++ maybe it's time to move on and let Oracle just have Java all to themselves. Personally I was never impressed with Java.
Hey I bet Websense will sell you the solution to the problems cited in the report who wants to take a bet.
Removing what features exactly. You don't even have to use the DEs if you don't like you can stick with FVWM if that's what floats your boat. That just sounds like romanticized rubbish.
We have 10% unemployment how can he say that and not be run out of Washington on a rail. American jobs are caught in a pincer between improved automation and continued outsourcing. Which is in part why the economy can grow with almost no change in the unemployment figure. That 10% percent may be the new norm only replaced by a higher figure next decade. Honestly any president that says such a foolish thing after taking a drubbing in the mid terms due to frustration in part over high unemployment is just a damn fool.
Academics? You sure about that? This appears to be a corporation that offers sort of consultation services about launch capabilities, planning and verification they are involved in such launch programs as Atlas I and II, Centaur, Delta II, and EELV they might have an agenda. Not sure if they do but they may be crapping their pants over much cheaper alternatives to their expensive federally funded program (just saying)
You mean like source code that was open sourced already under the GPL v2 http://openjdk,java.net/legal
I am not sure are class and method definitions considered copyrightable I mean that's like header files being copyrightable. Sounds to me like ole Larry said sue them his lawyers said OK and no one at Oracle has a clue what they are doing.
Wow rare to see an actual MS fanboy much less one on Slashdot. Xbox 360 fantastic product with around 50% failure rate that's a bit of hyperbole. Courrier was a demo it does not exist. Windows phone 7 is a step in the right direction but they are so far behind in the phone space it's like Zune all over again. Microsoft has been missing the boat entirely on a number of fronts for a few years now. I suspect it's grown to big to innovate anymore it's all design by committee now. They have surpassed their nemesis IBM for bureaucracy. They have become that which they despised.
Yeah here's a tip the reason there is a lot of insecure code out there is that there are a lot of programmers out there that think that security problems are overstated and a bunch of hype. That's one of the reasons there are so many problems they think they have it all figured out when they clearly don't. They think security just slows them down and gets in their way. So how are you going to get this recalcitrant bunch to use the super secure language?
I don't sync devices with USB to my computer anymore that was last decade. When you say on the cloud what do you mean? You do realize your email travels across the internet unencrypted and is readable by anyone in the path unless you have taken measures to encrypt every email right? The future is sending data directly to the device over the Internet or VPN if your so inclined just as you would your desktop. So setup a mail server and have your device connect to the mail server via imap or POP3 and ical... over VPN if you prefer.
Plugging in a device to your desktop to sync is silly and archaic at this point. If you want a file off of your desktop buy a phone with ssh sftp client and ssh sftp the file just as you would from your desktop. It's past time to think of your phone as a little computer with much the same capabilities as your big computer because that's what it is now. Apps you get from whatever app store music and content the same all done wirelessly there's really no need to plug in except for power.
Tablets are a fad and won't even be around in 5 years. The suckers that believe Steve's BS already have one the rest of us have moved on already. And the ones that did buy it even admit now that it's a toy and they don't really use it much. After they showed up at the coffee shop and could not figure how to hold it and nobody told them how cool they were for having an iPad they are ready to move on too.
You did catch where he said he was with a government agency right? So it's not tax deductible. That being said if they are paying 1k for a mediocre Dell then whoever is doing the shopping is not doing such a hot job should be a lot closer to ~600.00. Even still though most warranty support sucks with the PC vendors anyway it's usually NOT on site it's usually they will send you parts AFTER an hour on the phone to Bangalore where they ask such gems as "did you reboot?". Really you will save time just having the spares on hand to swap out parts immediately and not waste your time on their "customer service". There is no such thing in the razor thin margins business of selling computers as good customer service anymore it does not exist. Hell of a lot of time would be saved just ordering a replacement for the used spare off of newegg.
I have used sharepoint with office at work all the time and I still think about 10 garden variety content management systems based on the LAMP stack are about 100x better. Personally I don't see why anyone would actually spend licencing money on sharepoint it sucks. It's like a shared drive on the web it doesn't really do anything worthwhile. Even with office integration.
Yeah I have an Zotac dual core atom ION nettop and it works well full screen flash with hulu I am running the Windows 7 distro. Sorry probably not what you were looking for. I am generally a Linux guy and I considered running mythbuntu or some such on that IPTV box. But the reality is the online media world is made for Windows desktops so I decided not to fight that particular battle in that case (pick your battles carefully right?). My desktop is Kubuntu 10.04 though.
Oh wow people are stupid. Android is open source the Chinese tablet and mobile handset makers can and do download the source and do whatever the hell they want with it including replace Google with Baidu search. What google controls is their app marketplace which if you want on your device you have to play by their rules. That's not to say you can't have your own app store as some do like Archos it's just not a Google branded Android device at that point it's an Archos branded device. BFD it's still open you just have to choose as a device maker whether you want to have a Google android device or not but you get a choice. John Gruber just entered Apple Fanboy land... at least we now know where his bullshit is coming from.
Release early and release often is one of the fundamental tenets ESR spelled out in the Cathedral and the Bazaar I believe. Why should anyone be surprised or disappointed that early versions of the code aren't perfect yet? Seriously that's just dumb. The open source model can not be brought up to speed to fix anything until there is source code released to look at and improve.
Yeah this is a totally new concept for people that are used to being on what ever companies upgrade treadmill. I mean in many cases the commercial products been mature for years the only reason THEY come up with updates is they need your money for them to have.
Because they gave it away for free and tried to make up the difference on volume.
More people die on the roads due to automobile accidents every year in America by a long shot. Have some perspective in terms of real actual risk. In those terms it was a tiny poke. 2752 people died as a result of the World Trade center incident in the ten years since 330,000 or so have died in automobile accidents. And yet because of the 2752 we are willing to give up out basic freedoms. We have the government using millimeter wave radar on it's citizens and everyone taking off their shoes at the airport not to mention the wiretaps that AT&T help them put in place. It's absolutely a disproportionate illogical reaction based purely on fear and emotion and has no perspective for real risk at all. And holy crap are defense contractors cashing in on the copious quantities of cash that are being thrown at the problem. As if security is a product you can buy off the shelf.
If we were to use logic and critical thinking in this country we would burn more calories trying to figure out how to deal with drunk and irresponsible driving than terrorism. But we prefer not to think.
Here is what every Apple fanboy does. Try and rationalize and blindly justify everything Apple does including the gaffes. I have nothing actually against Apple or Steve Jobs I generally like the products themselves. But I am so fucking sick of unthinking unquestioning Steve Jobs cock sucking Apple fanboys I can' stand it.
Can we please please mother fucking please just put all the hipster douchebags on the goddamned B ark already and shoot the fucking thing in to the Sun? Please?
You sir are dead wrong, could not be more so. See the Athlon 64 vs. the Pentium 4 for a good example of why you are so horribly wrong. Or for that matter even better example 2.4 Ghz core 2 duo vs. 3.8 Ghz pentium 4. It's been a while since the industry figured out that better CPU architecture like multiple execution units beats a high clocked long pipeline architecture. This is a geek site why and how did this ever get modded up?
It's not the Java VM it's the Davlik VM that uses the Java language it does not ship on any desktop OS it ships on embedded phones and a few tablets. It's not fragmenting Java it's a whole other alternate VM that uses the Java language for embedded systems like JME. Personally I wish they had created some sort of python based VM I don't much care for Java as a language too verbose to do simple things. Plus Oracle probably does have legitimate VM patent claims. If goggle is smart they will settle somehow. Google was definitely trying to leverage the fact that a lot of developers are comfortable with the Java language and that part makes some sense.
Thinking about it though even if they dropped Java or never used the Java language for Android Oracle could still sue them because these are virtual machine patents so anyone with a VM (adobe flash/ MS .Net) could also be sued I would imagine.
Yes get the human drama out so everyone loses interest and you lose all your funding excellent plan! You still need queen Isabella and that means entertaining her in court to get the funding you need. If you don't get that well then you likely aren't politically adept. The Apollo program made NASA not the rovers.
Perhaps if he is incapable of changing such a poor password he is also incapable of disabling WAN admin access properly? Or he changed his story after feeling some shame for having such a crap password? Basically if password1 was the password he seems clueless and thus all he says afterwards suspect.
Also if that was the password you should have no expectation of security or privacy.