I am not assuming anything I know from real world experience that irresponsible disclosure causes more problems than it ever solved.
I am not making excuses for poorly engineered software that deserves it's share of derision.
However releasing 0 day exploits to script kiddies is not in any way making anyone more secure. It's a selfish act of personal enrichment pure and simple.
You found a vulnerability great go through the process of responsible disclosure give the vendor at least 60 days to respond then release the details with a clear conscience. If the vendor does not respond in 60 days then it is bad on them. What is the problem with doing things responsibly? I will tell you there is not as much notoriety in being a responsible security researcher and some people have said screw it we want the grandstand back.
Why are you running unnecessary services on a bastion host? You are not a very good administrator if you are doing that. Also what if there is no workaround and you need the service to conduct business you are basically screwed. At the very least the disclosure lets the whole world know that your are vulnerable until you get around to implementing the workaround on a presumably high profile production machine that's probably high risk for in line changes. Some favor.
People who disclose security vulnerabilities straight away do it for the notoriety to try and make a name for themselves. And they make life miserable for anyone in the line of work of actually protecting data assets. And as such are being selfish pricks. And if you walk in to my office looking for a IT security job and you are one of those types I won't even bother to be polite I will tell you straight off to beat it. Google should have fired that little punk because what he did was totally unprofessional.
Personally I don't think he's cool or clever at all I think he's a selfish little prick.
If you find a brand new vulnerability and go straight to IRC with it you are not just hurting Microsoft or sticking it to the man. Your hurting everyone that runs that software. You are also creating bigger botnets which can then be further used in DDOS attacks and extortion attempts etc... So in effect you are damaging the Internet and making it a bigger cesspool. There are ethical issues around vulnerability disclosure. You strike me as the type that collects bots and so probably don't care but the rest of us do.
Tell the cops that your Steve Jobs and one of your employees got hammered and left your prototype laptop at a beer garden they will go bust this person's door down with a special task force.
You fail at reading it's not 300 as pointed out thats just for the bare console with one controller. It's a lot closer to 600 especially when you add in online services such as XBOX live over the life of the console (about 200 conservatively). Unless your talking about the Wii in which case enjoy your kids games.
Rubbish you can build a quite decent gaming rig for 600 I just did. And consoles aren't 300.00 anyway because that's just for the base console which is never sufficient. You are going to want a second controller, rechargeable batteries, a base station to recharge the batteries, etc... And if you want online services that's an extra monthly fee. It's about a wash money wise at this point. Maybe even in the PCs favor because you still probably need a PC even without gaming.
The Apple I launched in July 1976 was a fully populated circuit board and nothing else no enclosure no keyboard no display no disk drives. The first complete computer available at retail that we would identify as a personal computer was the Commodore PET launched in January 1977 well before the Apple II. Not that it matters much because clearly lot's of people were moving very rapidly in that same direction at the time.
Use both... Netflix for tons of stuff ad free and the free Hulu with ads for current shows. That's what I do. Occasionally if I really like a show I will purchase the HD from Amazon. This is why I think it's important to have a full computer for IPTV on your big screen so you can get ALL the Internet has to offer and not just what a set top box limits you to. Any dual core atom small form factor system with nvidia ION graphics and HDMI and optical audio will work.
I think Hulu really missed the boat here I would have given them money even 15.00 a month if it was ad free and I got the shows they carry new and back catalog but as it is it's not worth it with the addition of ads.
They have not done anything to your iPhone you whiny little Apple cock sucker so quit fronting. Every geek I know who actually is not some bullshit Apple fanboy pretending they have an android phone on forums knows Google had the ability to do this for security reasons your full of shit I will guarantee your an iPhone fanboy fronting.
The thing is I use twitter regularly just to try and understand what all the fuss is about. Near as I can tell it's about two things self promotion and idle vapid chatter. So if your in to that sort of thing then goody for you. FYI most engineer types are not so deal. If you think they should be your prolly hanging out on the wrong site try 4chan.
I can not fathom or begin to understand what causes people to need to constantly be socializing to the point that some will tweet or text while they drive. I can't even understand what causes people to drone on the phone while driving. My working hypothesis is that they are deeply disturbed and are horribly afraid of being alone with their own thoughts for five minutes.
The difference with SpaceX, supposedly, is that they are much less expensive than the incumbents. Their stated goal is to reduce costs by a factor of 10. Which if they achieve their goal is significant. Boeing, LM and ATK are competing with the Russian Soyuz and ESA Ariane for launch contracts and losing badly because of high costs and ITAR restrictions. So SpaceX is very important to US commercial launch. Perhaps the new competition will encourage Boeing, LM and ATK to figure out how to reduce their costs or lose the market entirely.
Some of the ways SpaceX reduce costs are using in house designs and production for everything. So they are no beholden to subcontractor cost overruns and communications issues. Another way they keep costs down is the designs themselves which are based on well proven ideas that should prove reliable and inexpensive to build and maintain (comparatively speaking).
Eh your sorta completely wrong. First the Romans conquered most of of Europe and forced their culture and republic down Europes throat. Then later the Muslim hordes tried to do the same to force their religion down Europes throat see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests. And there were all manner of wars and squabbles in Europe during the time of our fundamentalism it was no where near live and let live. Turns out imperialism and conquest are not new in fact if anything it's way toned down these days. And with this conquest comes cultural conquest and influence intended or otherwise. It's why the French like strudel.
The choice of forcing the Mac platform at 900 bucks a pop when PC laptops can be commonly had these days for 379 a pop seems ludicrous. I am not saying make everyone get a PC laptop but the parents should be allowed to choose since they have to spend their own money. Also 95% of the world is on Microsoft Windows so pushing Macs seems to run counter to the real world for which the students are supposedly being prepared.
Personally I would rather see Linux pushed myself. And I would not like to see it the other way around either where the parents would be forced to buy PC laptops. I think they should be allowed to choose PC Mac or Linux.
More like Google did by accident what these bodies do regularly for the sole purpose and stated intent of violating their citizens privacy. For example this London based privacy group calling Google a criminal for accidental eavesdropping which Google completely came clean about. When they should be focused on the real privacy issues of full body scanners in airports and the thousands of CCTV cameras all over England.
I mean I realize they are just making hay with this to get some free publicity and maybe get some donations. But this just makes me think they are buffoons. Or who knows maybe they are attack dogs funded by Rupert Murdoch who thinks Google is lifting money out of his pocket.
Who said "destroy government" nice straw man. I believe what was stated was to limit the FEDERAL government to their constitutionally allowed powers. It's simple the federal government does not have any more powers than what's alloted to the federal government in the constitution. Want the federal government to have more powers propose a constitutional amendment. This is how our federation was DESIGNED to work it is currently being horribly abused to protect some rich and powerful interests and the status quo.
So enjoy eating your cake. If you believe Mr. fan boy that the battle has already been won by Apple then why bother posting.
I will tell you why. Because we the geeks have influence when it comes to tech. Lot's of people ask us our opinion on these matters. And we are going to tell them Apple is a bad deal for them and try to explain why.
So the battle has not been yet won and the recent Android sales numbers bear that out quite well. In fact the opposite appears to be true the battle has already been lost by Apple.
So you are actually comparing Apple's control freak bull shit to Microsoft's control freak bull shit and saying that makes it OK? If they are both ass hats or they lock down consoles or whatever that does not make it OK it's still bull shit. I can't believe you're holding up Microsoft as a paragon of virtue or something.
Bottom line I vote with my dollars and influence. I will no longer buy Apple products and will do my best to influence others to boycott them as well. They can do whatever they want as long as it's legal but we don't have to like it and we don't have to support them and in fact we can fight back with our meager resources. Buy an Android or Linux device if you give a shit about choice and freedom buy an Apple product if you don't.
What does monopoly have to do with Apple being control freak douche bags? You don't have to have a monopoly to piss me off. Microsoft had crap business practices that LEAD to a monopoly. I don't care for Microsoft or Oracle or lot's of other companies that go for this vendor lock in crap. The point is we do get choice and the geeks are saying fuck Apple and their bull shit restrictions.
True but that cuts both ways neither political group in the USA wants to have their ideas challenged they just KNOW they are right and the other side WRONG there is no discourse it's a myth.
Me choosing not to have anything to do with Apple ever again as a result of there anti developer policies is my right. So suck it Apple and suck it Apple fan boys.
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I am not assuming anything I know from real world experience that irresponsible disclosure causes more problems than it ever solved.
I am not making excuses for poorly engineered software that deserves it's share of derision.
However releasing 0 day exploits to script kiddies is not in any way making anyone more secure. It's a selfish act of personal enrichment pure and simple.
You found a vulnerability great go through the process of responsible disclosure give the vendor at least 60 days to respond then release the details with a clear conscience. If the vendor does not respond in 60 days then it is bad on them. What is the problem with doing things responsibly? I will tell you there is not as much notoriety in being a responsible security researcher and some people have said screw it we want the grandstand back.
Why are you running unnecessary services on a bastion host? You are not a very good administrator if you are doing that. Also what if there is no workaround and you need the service to conduct business you are basically screwed. At the very least the disclosure lets the whole world know that your are vulnerable until you get around to implementing the workaround on a presumably high profile production machine that's probably high risk for in line changes. Some favor.
People who disclose security vulnerabilities straight away do it for the notoriety to try and make a name for themselves. And they make life miserable for anyone in the line of work of actually protecting data assets. And as such are being selfish pricks. And if you walk in to my office looking for a IT security job and you are one of those types I won't even bother to be polite I will tell you straight off to beat it. Google should have fired that little punk because what he did was totally unprofessional.
Personally I don't think he's cool or clever at all I think he's a selfish little prick.
If you find a brand new vulnerability and go straight to IRC with it you are not just hurting Microsoft or sticking it to the man. Your hurting everyone that runs that software. You are also creating bigger botnets which can then be further used in DDOS attacks and extortion attempts etc... So in effect you are damaging the Internet and making it a bigger cesspool. There are ethical issues around vulnerability disclosure. You strike me as the type that collects bots and so probably don't care but the rest of us do.
Did they measure real world skills like their trolling skill and porn finding abilities?
Tell the cops that your Steve Jobs and one of your employees got hammered and left your prototype laptop at a beer garden they will go bust this person's door down with a special task force.
You fail at reading it's not 300 as pointed out thats just for the bare console with one controller. It's a lot closer to 600 especially when you add in online services such as XBOX live over the life of the console (about 200 conservatively). Unless your talking about the Wii in which case enjoy your kids games.
Rubbish you can build a quite decent gaming rig for 600 I just did. And consoles aren't 300.00 anyway because that's just for the base console which is never sufficient. You are going to want a second controller, rechargeable batteries, a base station to recharge the batteries, etc... And if you want online services that's an extra monthly fee. It's about a wash money wise at this point. Maybe even in the PCs favor because you still probably need a PC even without gaming.
The Apple I launched in July 1976 was a fully populated circuit board and nothing else no enclosure no keyboard no display no disk drives. The first complete computer available at retail that we would identify as a personal computer was the Commodore PET launched in January 1977 well before the Apple II. Not that it matters much because clearly lot's of people were moving very rapidly in that same direction at the time.
Use both... Netflix for tons of stuff ad free and the free Hulu with ads for current shows. That's what I do. Occasionally if I really like a show I will purchase the HD from Amazon. This is why I think it's important to have a full computer for IPTV on your big screen so you can get ALL the Internet has to offer and not just what a set top box limits you to. Any dual core atom small form factor system with nvidia ION graphics and HDMI and optical audio will work.
I think Hulu really missed the boat here I would have given them money even 15.00 a month if it was ad free and I got the shows they carry new and back catalog but as it is it's not worth it with the addition of ads.
They have not done anything to your iPhone you whiny little Apple cock sucker so quit fronting. Every geek I know who actually is not some bullshit Apple fanboy pretending they have an android phone on forums knows Google had the ability to do this for security reasons your full of shit I will guarantee your an iPhone fanboy fronting.
The thing is I use twitter regularly just to try and understand what all the fuss is about. Near as I can tell it's about two things self promotion and idle vapid chatter. So if your in to that sort of thing then goody for you. FYI most engineer types are not so deal. If you think they should be your prolly hanging out on the wrong site try 4chan.
I can not fathom or begin to understand what causes people to need to constantly be socializing to the point that some will tweet or text while they drive. I can't even understand what causes people to drone on the phone while driving. My working hypothesis is that they are deeply disturbed and are horribly afraid of being alone with their own thoughts for five minutes.
The difference with SpaceX, supposedly, is that they are much less expensive than the incumbents. Their stated goal is to reduce costs by a factor of 10. Which if they achieve their goal is significant. Boeing, LM and ATK are competing with the Russian Soyuz and ESA Ariane for launch contracts and losing badly because of high costs and ITAR restrictions. So SpaceX is very important to US commercial launch. Perhaps the new competition will encourage Boeing, LM and ATK to figure out how to reduce their costs or lose the market entirely.
Some of the ways SpaceX reduce costs are using in house designs and production for everything. So they are no beholden to subcontractor cost overruns and communications issues. Another way they keep costs down is the designs themselves which are based on well proven ideas that should prove reliable and inexpensive to build and maintain (comparatively speaking).
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Eh your sorta completely wrong. First the Romans conquered most of of Europe and forced their culture and republic down Europes throat. Then later the Muslim hordes tried to do the same to force their religion down Europes throat see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests. And there were all manner of wars and squabbles in Europe during the time of our fundamentalism it was no where near live and let live. Turns out imperialism and conquest are not new in fact if anything it's way toned down these days. And with this conquest comes cultural conquest and influence intended or otherwise. It's why the French like strudel.
The choice of forcing the Mac platform at 900 bucks a pop when PC laptops can be commonly had these days for 379 a pop seems ludicrous. I am not saying make everyone get a PC laptop but the parents should be allowed to choose since they have to spend their own money. Also 95% of the world is on Microsoft Windows so pushing Macs seems to run counter to the real world for which the students are supposedly being prepared.
Personally I would rather see Linux pushed myself. And I would not like to see it the other way around either where the parents would be forced to buy PC laptops. I think they should be allowed to choose PC Mac or Linux.
More like Google did by accident what these bodies do regularly for the sole purpose and stated intent of violating their citizens privacy. For example this London based privacy group calling Google a criminal for accidental eavesdropping which Google completely came clean about. When they should be focused on the real privacy issues of full body scanners in airports and the thousands of CCTV cameras all over England.
I mean I realize they are just making hay with this to get some free publicity and maybe get some donations. But this just makes me think they are buffoons. Or who knows maybe they are attack dogs funded by Rupert Murdoch who thinks Google is lifting money out of his pocket.
Who said "destroy government" nice straw man. I believe what was stated was to limit the FEDERAL government to their constitutionally allowed powers. It's simple the federal government does not have any more powers than what's alloted to the federal government in the constitution. Want the federal government to have more powers propose a constitutional amendment. This is how our federation was DESIGNED to work it is currently being horribly abused to protect some rich and powerful interests and the status quo.
That's a ridiculous argument. Why don't you Godwin it and go for the Nazi angle. E.G. So your OK if some state elects Hitler for Governor?
5/10 not nearly subtle enough you can do better
Why?
So enjoy eating your cake. If you believe Mr. fan boy that the battle has already been won by Apple then why bother posting.
I will tell you why. Because we the geeks have influence when it comes to tech. Lot's of people ask us our opinion on these matters. And we are going to tell them Apple is a bad deal for them and try to explain why.
So the battle has not been yet won and the recent Android sales numbers bear that out quite well. In fact the opposite appears to be true the battle has already been lost by Apple.
So you are actually comparing Apple's control freak bull shit to Microsoft's control freak bull shit and saying that makes it OK? If they are both ass hats or they lock down consoles or whatever that does not make it OK it's still bull shit. I can't believe you're holding up Microsoft as a paragon of virtue or something.
Bottom line I vote with my dollars and influence. I will no longer buy Apple products and will do my best to influence others to boycott them as well. They can do whatever they want as long as it's legal but we don't have to like it and we don't have to support them and in fact we can fight back with our meager resources. Buy an Android or Linux device if you give a shit about choice and freedom buy an Apple product if you don't.
What does monopoly have to do with Apple being control freak douche bags? You don't have to have a monopoly to piss me off. Microsoft had crap business practices that LEAD to a monopoly. I don't care for Microsoft or Oracle or lot's of other companies that go for this vendor lock in crap. The point is we do get choice and the geeks are saying fuck Apple and their bull shit restrictions.
True but that cuts both ways neither political group in the USA wants to have their ideas challenged they just KNOW they are right and the other side WRONG there is no discourse it's a myth.
Me choosing not to have anything to do with Apple ever again as a result of there anti developer policies is my right. So suck it Apple and suck it Apple fan boys.