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Ray Ozzie's Departing Memo a Warning To Microsoft

itwbennett writes "In a parting memo to Microsoft, Ray Ozzie urges Microsoft to 'really, truly, seriously start thinking beyond the PC,' writes blogger Chris Nurney. Nurney suspects that 'Ozzie has been making these points internally for some time,' and that the memo 'could be his way of putting it in the public record.' Some of the memo's juicy bits: 'It's important that all of us do precisely what our competitors and customers will ultimately do: close our eyes and form a realistic picture of what a post-PC world might actually look like, if it were to ever truly occur. ... Today's PCs, phones & pads are just the very beginning; we'll see decades to come of incredible innovation from which will emerge all sorts of "connected companions" that we'll wear, we'll carry, we'll use on our desks & walls and the environment all around us.'"

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  1. MS is doing that by weachiod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly. Hell, Microsoft Courier looked like the only tablet I wanted. Screw iPad, Courier was cool.

    But the truth also is that Microsoft has a huge dominance on computer market and that isn't going anywhere. They are truly dominating it. I don't think it's a warning as such to Microsoft, just a suggestion for if they want to grow. And interestingly, that is what Microsoft is and has been doing for many years already. Xbox360 is a truly fantastic product too.

    Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it! Combine that with environment like Windows where everyone can freely develop their software and include things like XNA and Xbox Live and you have a wonderful product on your hands!

    1. Re:MS is doing that by Xtravar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do you remember.. Windows Mobile 6? Pocket PC? Yeah, I developed for those platforms, and I can tell you that Microsoft seriously didn't give a shit. I doubt they have changed much since then. When your core product is for PCs, it's hard changing your company's thinking.

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    2. Re:MS is doing that by Squidnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Smartphones and tablets are a step in the right direction, but they're nowhere near the ideal of ubiquitous computing that Ozzie is suggesting. Much like Microsoft, you're not looking far enough ahead.

    3. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Windows Phone 7 : Too Late to the party ...

    4. Re:MS is doing that by Pojut · · Score: 1

      They do retain a (very slowly loosening) iron grip on the enterprise market though...a big money maker (and future) to be sure.

      Granted, that has nothing to do with the kind of stuff TFA is talking about, but having a hand in the infrastructure that will make all that cool stuff actually useful is nothing to sneeze at.

    5. Re:MS is doing that by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Was was thinking the same thing.

      Windows Mobile has seriously SUCKED the life out of me, like my life sucks because of it. (I could have won concert tickets but my phone couldn't even preform a simple speed dial in under 10 seconds).

      I don't know anyone who actually owns a zune, but lets just say my only run-in with it has been the zune apps on the Xbox - which is actually worse at managing my media than the original Xbox way of just navigating a filestructure. Thanks!

      I could name a handful of other Non-PC products that Microsoft has, but really, whats the point? None of them can actually compare to their competitors on the market, at least from a users perspective. I think I would much prefer it if they focused SOLELY on the PC and made Windows 8 actually something worth buying - get rid of those issues with backwards compatibility.

    6. Re:MS is doing that by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly.

      If WP7 doesn't run Lotus Notes, it might be dead to Ray Ozzie. . .

    7. Re:MS is doing that by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The phrase "survival of the fittest" actually came from a mistake that was made when Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was translated into German. The correct phrase, and concept, is "Survival of the most adaptable".

      It's just as true in the business world as it is in nature.

    8. Re:MS is doing that by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Frankly I am starting to wonder if Microsoft is going to be the next Curtis Wright.
      In 1954 just about every airliner on the planet used their engines. The president of the company said that they could keep making that one engine until the end of time and people would still be buying them.
      By 1960 they where no longer a major producer of aircraft engines.
      Today they make valves for hydraulic systems.

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    9. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When Ray says "Beyond the PC" what he's really saying is "beyond Windows OS".

      This has been Microsoft's greatest nemesis, is their own myopia. They view everything with the tinged glasses of Windows. You can see this with Windows Mobile 7, even if it isn't "Windows" is trying to leverage "Windows 7" branding.

      Specifically addressing what you're saying, the problem with Courier was that it was Kindle wannabe. They kept the book format when quite frankly it shouldn't have. Try turning the page with one hand. The KindleApp for iPad is even better than Kindle. And it is more useful than any standalone ebook reader.

      Which brings me to tablets: If Microsoft makes a tablet that isn't some bastardized copy of Windows, I'll take a look. Until then, no thank you. Buying an overpriced one use computing device to me seem silly, and trying to shoehorn Windows into a tablet type device is just as pointless.

      Apple gets all of this. Apple is no longer just a "computer company" and is branching out and fixing all the other related edges of technology that has been hamstrung by companies like Microsoft and their limited thinking. Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

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    10. Re:MS is doing that by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Xbox 360 is a fantastic product? So you've never owned one have you?

      RROD pops to mind and the overall 16.1% failure rate over 6 to 10 months use.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
      http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/36070-report-xbox-360-failure-rate-above-15

      Plus the fact that it didn't support an HD format for games, no Blu-ray support now, no Bluetooth support, it's not that fantastic of a device.

    11. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly.

      Windows Phone is already out in Europe. We'll see how well it fares. Personally, I'm not impressed by the many restrictions (more than in iPhone!), but then I'm a geek. If I were buying a phone as a present for my mom, I'd look into it alongside iPhone.

      HP Slate 500 (running Windows 7) is also out. It's rather telling that they've put it into business laptops and PCs section of their website, though. The reviews so far have not been all that positive, from what I've seen - it certainly does some things great (like e.g. running Outlook or other Windows software, or pen digitizer mode for handwritten notes), but as a "consumption gadget" a la iPad, it falls short - the main issue seems to be that it's not as "silky smooth" (i.e. responsive) as Apple devices. No surprise there considering the OS. Overall I'd buy one as opposed to iPad, if I weren't waiting for Notion Ink Adam already...

      Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it! Combine that with environment like Windows where everyone can freely develop their software and include things like XNA and Xbox Live and you have a wonderful product on your hands!

      Somehow I suspect that, were tablets with specialized OS to come out, they'd be more aligned with Windows Phone - with respect to software restrictions as well. And did you see the list of "can't" on WP?

    12. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To say that Curtiss Wright "[makes] valves for hydraulic systems" is a gross over simplification of their current product line. While I agree that they could be much more than they are, I also knew you were going to downplay them unfairly when I had seen you couldn't even be bothered to spell their name correctly.

    13. Re:MS is doing that by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Or not? I was out the other night and overhead a conversation between a couple of hipsters. The one guy mentioned how he is not tech savvy and is everything but an early adopter of new tech. He looked like a stereotypical iThing consumer but went on about how disappointed he was with the iPhone he bought a couple years ago. His number one complaint was the whole Flash thing. In his opinion, it killed his desire to get the new iPhone, or anything i related at all. He said the iPad was "too heavy" and that he was pretty interested in the Galaxy. Sure we've heard these things on /. but it was interesting to hear it come from someone who has probably never heard of /.

      So the point is, right now, I don't think anyone is too late to the party, as it's just getting started.

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    14. Re:MS is doing that by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Which brings me to tablets: If Microsoft makes a tablet that isn't some bastardized copy of Windows, I'll take a look. Until then, no thank you. Buying an overpriced one use computing device to me seem silly, and trying to shoehorn Windows into a tablet type device is just as pointless.

      But isn't Android just a bastardized Linux?

    15. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fittest: don't think about a Fitness Club where you can do exercises, think about the best fit as in plumbing.

    16. Re:MS is doing that by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

      The phrase "survival of the fittest" actually came from a mistake that was made when Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was translated into German. The correct phrase, and concept, is "Survival of the most adaptable".

      Since the phrase was first used by Herbert Spencer in 1864, writing in English, I don't think so. Darwin himself used the phrase "natural selection" and not "survival of the fittest," but in 1869 he did quote the "survival of the fittest" phrase (correctly attributing the quote to Spencer); and did it in English (not translating it into German).

      http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/340400.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

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    17. Re:MS is doing that by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Are you for real?

      Xbox360 great?
      Freely develop software?

      These are the folks that turned vendor lockin into an art, they are the folks that bought their way into the console market.

      MS is not dominating outside the PC space. The PC is dieing.

    18. Re:MS is doing that by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what Darwin was saying is... the transformers will outlive humans?

    19. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You aren't really listening. iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux. The reason why Blackberry touch smartphones have sucked is that the retro-fitted their old apps, and aren't all optimized for touch. Windows mobile seems to suffer from similar problems. You need to think of it from the user paradigm rather than making it "A pc on a phone, or a PC on a tablet." Apple and Google have done a much better job at that.

    20. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      What's most interesting about this to me is the technology changes themselves. From a few minutes' worth of research I see that Curtiss Wright failed to make the best jet engines. Even their own aircraft wound up getting refit with Westinghouse models. That's not good.

      Microsoft could be thus, but there needs to be a jet engine to come along and displace their prop. I'm not seeing what that might be.

      Bear in mind, also, that this isn't in any way uncommon. Look at the 1906 caliber change from high power/huge slugs to ultra-high power/tiny slugs. Made all the difference in the world concerning modern firepower, and even today the tiny slugs are the most commonly used type, a century later.

      But that was a chemistry change more than anything, and took almost no one by surprise in that industry.

      Again, I'm not seeing any great possibilities in the IT world. Not of this magnitude, anyway.

    21. Re:MS is doing that by SpryGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I own a Zune (I bought the Zune80 when it came out).

      The Zune software was fantastic (on the PC). The Zune UI ran rings around the iPod (on the Device). The sound quality was better.

      Zune deserved better. It was superior to the iPod Classic line in every way. I've seen (but do not own) the Zune HD, and it's good as well, though it pales in comparison to the iPod Touch because of the ecosystem and apps available.

      I'm actively looking forward to being able to ditch my iPhone for a Windows Phone in a year or two. I hope Microsoft doesn't manage to screw it all up.

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    22. Re:MS is doing that by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other problem with the Courier is that it never existed... It was nothing more than a photoshop mockup or rendered 3D model. Their next tablet will be "no thicker than a sheet of glass"

    23. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Courier never existed in the form you seek.
      It was always only a panicky response by Microsoft to try and steal some of Apple's thunder when rumors of the iPad surfaced.
      There never was a real Courier as a product; just a tablet concept. A mock-up. A display model.
      When IBM did a similar thing back in the '70s they were dragged into court.

    24. Re:MS is doing that by SpryGuy · · Score: 1, Informative

      iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux. The reason why Blackberry touch smartphones have sucked is that the retro-fitted their old apps, and aren't all optimized for touch. Windows mobile seems to suffer from similar problems. You need to think of it from the user paradigm rather than making it "A pc on a phone, or a PC on a tablet." Apple and Google have done a much better job at that

      Windows Phone is nothing like that, though. Windows Phone's whole design philosophy is stated, repeatedly that "a phone is not a PC", and is pretty much a ground up device sitting on a windows core (just like iOS is sitting on an OS X core, and Android is sitting on an Linux core). So MS is getting there, even if it's a bit late to the party. And they're doing so with a log of interesting innovation.

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    25. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple gets all of this. Apple is no longer just a "computer company" and is branching out and fixing all the other related edges of technology that has been hamstrung by companies like Microsoft and their limited thinking. Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

      Close, but no. In all seriousness, Apple does not 'get all of this' in the manner that you suggest. They're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their App stores. So to claim that Apple doesn't possess limited thinking is, in my view, patently false. They are just as single minded, but towards a different end. They don't care about the technology in the least (iphone that doesn't work well as a phone, anyone?), but they ARE indeed all about the platform and the vehicle to future sales that it represents.

    26. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Linux is a kernel, not a complete OS. The bits on top of the Kernel are Android OS. Lots of devices run the kernel, but have limited OS capabilities because it is easy to do and highly modularized. Android is more like Gnome or KDE (not exact though)

      Windows is much much more monolithic.

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    27. Re:MS is doing that by tepples · · Score: 1

      Xbox360 great?
      Freely develop software?

      I have a feeling that weachiod is referring to XNA Creators Club. Nintendo and Sony offer nothing comparable.

      they are the folks that bought their way into the console market.

      How did Sony get in during the PS1 era, and how was that not "buying"?

      MS is not dominating outside the PC space.

      I agree that Xbox 360 isn't entirely dominating the high-definition console market. But it's still noticeably ahead of PS3, especially in North America.

    28. Re:MS is doing that by stms · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Xbox360 is a truly fantastic product too.

      What are you smoking Xbox 360 is a terrible product. 50% of them fail after 1 year. The online service cost too much and is covered with ads. The xbox is coasting on its games (which are the most popular) combined with the fact that I can't play with any of my friends unless I subscribe their crappy service. The 360 exploits the market the same way windows does. I own a 360. Fuck the 360.

    29. Re:MS is doing that by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      This just happens to be your only comment?
      It reads like MS PR copy.

      ASTROTURF!

    30. Re:MS is doing that by icegreentea · · Score: 2

      The failure rate is much much better now. No one will deny there were problems on release and for some time afterwords.

      The HD format thing kind of sucks. But you know what? If you want to game, the 360 is great. In fact, I would say that it's fantastic. If you enjoy the game selection, then you'll enjoy a 360. Cause it works. It's a goddamn console. It plays games before anything else.

    31. Re:MS is doing that by h4rr4r · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Name any of that "Interesting Innovation".

      Would not happen to be no multitasking or no copy-paste would it?

    32. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > like my life sucks because of it. (I could have won concert tickets but my phone couldn't even preform a simple speed dial in under 10 seconds).

      Seriously. Your life sucks because a toy telephone prevented you from winning concert tickets?

      > Was was thinking the same thing.

      How on god's green earth is this comment marked "insightful"? I see slashdot is still the festering circlejerk it always was. Makes me long for the days of goatse and beowulf clusters and first post. At least that was entertaining.

    33. Re:MS is doing that by s4m7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

      Apple surpassed Microsoft's market cap in May, and remains second highest mcap in the S&P 500 to exxonmobil. MS is third. There is a pretty big gap between exxonmobil and apple, still. Unlikely to close in the next year. But I'm guessing you weren't taking petro companies into consideration in your rankings.

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    34. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is not Mac, the same way Microsoft is Windows.

      What you said may be true, or may simply be a way of monetizing the marketplace in a way you don't like, but that is not my point. Apple is not a "computer company" the way Microsoft is a "Windows" company.

      There is nothing at Microsoft that isn't either "Windows" or "Me too" device (XBOX, ZUNE).

      And even if you think iPod, iPad, and iPhone are in the "me too" category, they revolutionized industries that weren't "computer" related. And frankly, the iPod, iPhone and iPad make anything before them look ... "PC". Those devices transcend computing.

      I don't have iPad or Mac or iPhone. I have an iPod full of music, and haven't bought a single thing from ITMS. I prefer buying tunes on CD and ripping them, because they can go on ANY device I want. I'm not locked into anything Apple.

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    35. Re:MS is doing that by js3 · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. I bought a Xbox 360 and PS3, while I love both I spend more time and money playing games bought for the Xbox than the ps3. I'm not saying PS3 sucks, on the contrary, the hardware feels better and it has a snazzy blueray player.. some of the truely epic games have been on the ps3.

      I would rank the 360 and ps3 to be equals.. just diferent, and mine certainly hasn't died yet but if it did that's fine. Damn thing has been used 5x more than my ps3 in 3 years.

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    36. Re:MS is doing that by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not the same, though. The point that Ray Ozzie is trying to make is that, at some point, Microsoft needs to stop following the industry and become the one the industry follows again.

      Windows Phone 7 is great, but Apple was the one who popularized smart phones as we currently know them. Tablets are coming to the market with Microsoft software on them, but Apple was the one who popularized tablets. For years, before the iPod changed Apple, Apple made ends meet because they had a fervent fan base and catered to them. It didn't hurt Apple that they were always playing catch up because they had total control over their environment. They made money on software and hardware. Microsoft is in the unique position of being a primarily software based company. If sales of Windows plummet, they don't have that kind of closed system like Apple has to keep them chugging along. Additionally, Microsoft is such a huge company at this point, they have to be an industry innovator again or face crumbling apart.

      I agree that Microsoft is making waves to change their image. They're the "cool" company (in the US) when it comes to videogame consoles and no one EVER saw that coming. Zune has its diehards (and rightfully so, the Zune HD is terrific hardware). Windows Phone 7 might get its following, that's yet to be seen. And Windows 7 is just a pleasure to use, IMO. But the PC market is shrinking at a rapid pace and the only other market that MS is #1 in right now is videogame consoles...and that's not the cash cow that Windows and Office are.

      Microsoft is literally sleeping on the chance to expand the xbox brand and make it the only box you need in your house for entertainment. Xbox SHOULD be the industry leader in iptv right now, but they're not. And that's a crying shame...because our other two players are Google (who's going to eventually throw something free on the table and leave it to a hundred vendors to shape it into a usable product) or Sony (who's going to try to tie everything into purchases and season passes, not true iptv) and I think that Microsoft, as a company that's not tied to advertisement (Google) or owns huge assets of media (Sony) could shape this market in a way that's good for consumers and runs off of hardware that's already existing. It would also secure Microsoft's spot as console leader for generations to come.

      Microsoft is sleeping on all sorts of opportunities now. Ray Ozzie, stating this as an insider, is really a doom and gloom statement from an investors standpoint.

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    37. Re:MS is doing that by clang_jangle · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they're doing so with a log of interesting innovation.

      At least we can agree it's a "log".

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    38. Re:MS is doing that by TedTschopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with the Zune was that Microsoft was fighting yesterday's battle with it. This is the same problem with the Windows Phone. The Smart Phone market is almost run its course and Microsoft has taken too long to respond. Microsoft needs to be fighting today's battles, not fighting yesterdays wars.

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    39. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they'll be the next Curtis Lowe. An old man that people thought was useless who died without friends.

    40. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, you missed it. One more try, then.

      Apple is not a "computer company" the way Microsoft is a "Windows" company.

      In that light, Apple is an "iTunes company". Period, the end.

    41. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      perhaps you havent seen the shift microsoft has made since WinMo6. since then Microsoft has come a LONG way in its development strategies and its relationships with its 3rd party developers. Microsoft is not the company it was in 1995, or even 2007. they are a big, slow moving beast, but not a stupid one. they are moving the right direction, and in fact Microsoft has pretty good SDK tools and training available here: create.msdn.com

    42. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Market cap has very little to do with anything. Google has a market cap that's almost as large as MS'. But MS has nearly triple the revenue, well over double the net income and pays a dividend.

      Apple benefits the same way that Google does from an inflated valuation due to the fantasies that surround the business rather than an honest appraisal of the actual business plan. Sure Both Google and Apple have managed to spread their businesses in recent times, but MS has a much stronger business model overall.

      It's just a matter of whether or not they recognize that they need to expand into other markets for the sake of future earnings or not.

    43. Re:MS is doing that by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPhone is not called a "Mac Phone". And for good reason.

    44. Re:MS is doing that by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      XNA Creators Club is not suitable for making anything beyond little toy games is my understanding. At that point you might as well make an Android or iPhone app and get yourself a much larger customer base.

      How did Sony get in during the PS1 era, and how was that not "buying"?
      They sold the PS1 and it made money. Even the 360 will not pay off the losses on the xbox, last I heard. In this way sony made a new console family and Microsoft bought their way into a market.

      I agree that Xbox 360 isn't entirely dominating the high-definition console market. But it's still noticeably ahead of PS3, especially in North America.

      From the numbers I see it looks pretty darn close, when you look at reputable sites. World wide is another matter.

    45. Re:MS is doing that by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay the make control systems. But that company was a merger of The Curtiss company as in Glen Curtiss and the Wright Engine company an in the Wright Brothers.
      The company that made the P-40 fighter plane and the Engines that powered a good percentage of US aircraft in WWII including but not limited too the B-17 Flying Fortress, the B-25, and the B-29!. After the war they produced the engine for long range aircraft.
      Until the Jet came along.
      They failed to make the leap and are now a relatively small company compared to their main rival.
      They did survive but I would say that they went from being a major player to being a supplier.

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    46. Re:MS is doing that by mikestew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Granted, one's quality of life shouldn't depend on winning concert tickets. But the point stands: Windows Mobile phones (and I've got a pile of them on my shelf) sucked as phones. Even on the speedy-for-its-time HTC Advantage, the phone keyboard lagged. Punch a key, wait, key is highlighted and tone is heard. Repeat. IIRC, every WinMo phone I had did this to some extent.

      I don't care if MSFT promises a pony with every Windows Phone 7, crap like that made me swear off WinMo for good.

    47. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a couple of hipsters". "stereotypical iThing consumer". Your bias is showing...

    48. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      copy-paste is coming, and is present in developer handsets so even citing that is a pathetic strawman argument. multi-tasking is an issue for all non-android phones, the iPhone fakes it, but even then its not really multitasking non-native apps.

      as for interesting innovation, the way WP7 manages contacts and integrates social media is several steps ahead of existing platforms. there has also been a lot of development put into "context" as in web searches are prioritized toward what you'd be looking for from a phone. Also the UI is far mor user friendly than any existing smartphone i've used.

    49. Re:MS is doing that by LWATCDR · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Actually they failed to produce a any good aircraft after the P-40. Even the P-40 was looked down on as an also ran. I feel rather unfairly. I was mainly speaking of the Engine division which built several of the best piston aircraft engines in history.
      But they failed to invest in jets until it was too late. They believed that piston engines would always be more fuel efficient and would always be the better choice for long range aircraft.
      They where wrong and lost the market. Pratt and Whitney on the other had invested early and built Rolls Royce jet engines after the war and put a lot of effort into them.

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    50. Re:MS is doing that by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm sure Windows phone 7 will at the very least do as well as the kin.

    51. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You, along with many others, liked Courier because it was a fantasy. It was never a real product, just a fake rendering of a very interesting idea. Its main purpose was to distract interest away from Apple's tablet, and it appears to have done its job for some (although not nearly well enough to keep the iPad from becoming a huge success).

      But the truth also is that Microsoft has a huge dominance on computer market and that isn't going anywhere.

      That's true, but not the point. The point is post-PC. MS is extremely weak on that front, and just like Sony losing their lead from the Walkman to the iPod, MS's huge lead in the PC world won't amount to much in the non-PC world.

      Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it!

      It's not going to happen. I'd suggest you give up on it, at least for the time being. Otherwise you'll be in perpetual frustration. It's like wishing expectantly for wizard powers. By focussing too much on the non-real, you pass up on the real. MS teased you with the Courier, but what they gave you, later than promised, was a shitty Windows 7 slate from HP.

      Say what you will about Apple, but at least they promote real products that they actually deliver. You say screw iPad, you want Courier. Well, sure, but iPad has the supremely important feature of actually existing.

    52. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Ballmer called. He wanted to thank you for finishing him to completion, but asked that next time you should warm your hands before you cup his balls. Oh, and to mention Zune and squirting, because that really gets him going.

    53. Re:MS is doing that by EdIII · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Dude, you are so full of shit man.

      Think about this way. High School. The jocks, which you could arguably say are the fittest physically, are getting all the pussy. Are they adapting? No. They never change their game and remain the same all throughout high school. They walk around, and if by some sort of unknown gravitational effect, pussy just flies around corners to them.

      Now take all the nerds, geeks, loners, etc. Do they adapt? Hell yes. It's a constant churn of adaptation, trial and error, failures, notes, frustrated exchanges. I don't think the NSA has worked as hard to decipher encrypted communications between terrorists. Negative comments (allegedly reduces a girls self-esteem to the point where penetration might actually be theoretically possible), pirate eye patches, fake tattoos, not-really-gay-but-playing-one-in-the-hopes-of-a-shower-with-you schemes, are all a fervent series of adaptations.

      Yet who gets all the pussy still? The jocks.

      Survival of the most adaptable sounds logically, but come on, we both know it is survival of the fittest in practice.

    54. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Over 14 million iPhones and 4 million iPads sold last quarter. It will take a *lot* of hipster-anecdotes for Samsung Galaxy or WP7 to reach numbers like those.

      So the point is, right now, I don't think anyone is too late to the party, as it's just getting started.

      You're right, but iOS has a huge head start, and Android is catching up to iOS. That doesn't leave a lot of room for WP7.

    55. Re:MS is doing that by Starcom8826 · · Score: 1

      When Ray says "Beyond the PC" what he's really saying is "beyond Windows OS".

      This has been Microsoft's greatest nemesis, is their own myopia. They view everything with the tinged glasses of Windows. You can see this with Windows Mobile 7, even if it isn't "Windows" is trying to leverage "Windows 7" branding.

      I don't think that's necessarily something unique to Microsoft. I remember when the iPhone was first released, Steve Jobs talked about how it had "the power of Mac OS" on a phone. It was only with iOS 4 where it was rebranded to be separate from Mac OS.

    56. Re:MS is doing that by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple was the one who popularized smart phones as we currently know them. Tablets are coming to the market with Microsoft software on them, but Apple was the one who popularized tablets.

      The problem that Microsoft runs up against again and again is that they're a software vendor, not a hardware vendor. Sure they sell xboxes, mice and the odd webcam and zune, but for real hardware they depend on the hardware manufacturers, and it's very very hard to get the likes of HP or Dell to innovate on Microsoft's behalf. Things are further complicated by the fact that Microsoft, as a software vendor, has to be reasonably hardware-supplier-neutral. They last thing they want to do is get in bed with Sony and then piss off Toshiba.

      Apple does well because they sell hardware, not software. Sure they have some great software on their hardware platforms but they start with the hardware. The fact that installing OS X on a piece of non-Apple hardware is a breach of the license shows how firmly they're in the hardware camp.

      When you own the hardware and the software, you can truly innovate when it comes to gadgets - When you only own the software, you can't.

    57. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because the mac brand also has bad connotations to the pre osx days. win phone 7 is cashing in on windows 7, which was probably one of the most successful OS launches ever, certainly the best MS has had. calling it a zune phone a la ipod -> iphone also would not work, the zune name isn't strong. personally, I think it should be called Metro OS or MetrOS, after the UI & design philosophy, but bringing a new name in might not work well, and MS needs all the help they can get to convince users (iphone users) to try them out.

    58. Re:MS is doing that by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      And what happens when they get out of high school?

      Evolution is constantly pushed forward by changing environments.

    59. Re:MS is doing that by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Google does this with web searches too, by sending you to the mobile version. It sucks, I have to always rerun the search after selecting google classic.

    60. Re:MS is doing that by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft was fighting yesterday's battle

      You've nailed it! Everything Microsoft is doing is reacting to the changing market, change introduced by others. Microsoft isn't able or willing to disrupt their own business. Maybe they shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with being boring and mature (Oracle and IBM make billions being boring).

      What has Microsoft being doing the last couple of years? They showed some vision by investing in Facebook, but then spent months trying to buy Yahoo!? It's just bizarre.

    61. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You aren't really listening. iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux.

      Windows Phone 7 is also designed from ground up to be a touch-based OS (unlike WinMo, which was more pen-oriented). So? What does branding have to do with it all?

    62. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 1

      They're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their App stores.

      People say this as though the App Store is some sort of cash cow for Apple. They run their digital stores at mostly break-even. They aren't trying to lock their users into their App Stores (especially since you used the plural. they are absolutely *not* going to lock Mac OS X into their Mac App Store the way iOS is locked into the current App Store).

      What you're missing is that they are going for superior, and the App Stores are part of that. Apple makes their money from hardware sales. App Stores make their hardware more appealing to consumers, which is superior than not having the App Stores (just like their music store makes iPods more appealing and is superior to not having a store).

      I can't understand how someone can look at iMacs/Mac Pros, MacBooks/Pro/Air, iPads, iPods and iPhones and come to the conclusion that they are not going for 'superior'. I'm not saying they have to meet your needs in a superior way, but Apple's intentions are pretty obvious, and striving for superior hardware and software is key among them.

    63. Re:MS is doing that by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      In the same way that iOS is a bastardised BSD.

    64. Re:MS is doing that by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      But to Apple's credit, they didn't just shrink OS X and shove it into a smart phone. Apple really thought that iPhone needed a new UI strategy and designed iOS around multi-touch. On the flip side, Windows Mobile isn't the built on the same core OS as Windows 95/NT; MS made it intentionally more like desktop Windows and put it on a smart phone. There was very little focus on the fact if the UI might need to be changed.

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    65. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I have an iPod full of music, and haven't bought a single thing from ITMS. I prefer buying tunes on CD and ripping them, because they can go on ANY device I want. I'm not locked into anything Apple.

      Just a point of interest, all music on the iTMS is DRM-free. It is AAC, which may not be as universal as MP3, but it's still common enough to not locking you into "anything Apple".

    66. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is not called a "Mac Phone". And for good reason.

      And yet it shares the "i..." branding with various Apple's desktop products (iWork, iLife,...).

    67. Re:MS is doing that by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WP7 about 2-3 years behind the competition. It's only saving grace is it's different and the OS upgrades are supplied by Microsoft.

      Courier was concept art, just an idea. The fact it was seen to be cool and got killed just shows how badly run Microsoft are. They're almost as bad as car companies who draw up amazing looking concept cars only to have them made ugly by consulting the great unwashed on what they want.

      Forget the imminent Microsoft tablets, they're just PCs in a small form factor running an OS with a small veneer of touch usability. Instant on? nope, fast bootup? nope, long standby time? nope. They've been around since 2001 and there's been as many sold as Apple has sold iPads (which were only released this year).

      iPad works because all of the applications it runs have been designed for a touch screen OS. There is no windows or icons to drag, no start menu, no filemanager, no double tapping the screen, no reset button and best of all, no silly plastic stylus to lose.

      If you want a touch screen computer, at least buy one that an OS designed for touch screen. Even the former head of the tablet project at Microsoft couldn't get people on side for the project, it's why there's no touch screen version of Office.

      HP and Microsoft shares fell following their tablet announcement, which shows how (un)impressive it was:

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/186172/why_the_microsofthp_tablet_is_a_big_disappointment.html

      There's only so many times you can rehash the same old rubbish.

    68. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      People say this as though the App Store is some sort of cash cow for Apple. They run their digital stores at mostly break-even. They aren't trying to lock their users into their App Stores (especially since you used the plural. they are absolutely *not* going to lock Mac OS X into their Mac App Store the way iOS is locked into the current App Store).

      Ah, I see. Here you go, hopefully this will help:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incrementalism

    69. Re:MS is doing that by ChatHuant · · Score: 1, Funny

      And what happens when they get out of high school?

      They already have passed their genes on (or, if not, they will soon), so, as far as evolution is concerned, they won. A billionaire bachelor geek loses the evolution game to a former jock living in a trailer who has three kids with his first wife and two more with his mistress.

    70. Re:MS is doing that by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      Darwinian "fitness" refers to the capability of an organism to have viable, fertile offspring. It has nothing to do with physical fitness.

      It's about adaptation to a given environment, so that adaptation may have nothing to do with change, trial-and-error, or anything else you mention. It can also mean staying the same, provided that sameness means reproductive success. Ever see a rich fat guy with girls all over him? Not very physically fit, is he? But according to Darwin, he's more fit than a professional athlete who's had a vasectomy.

      In your example, the jocks are better adapted from a Darwinian standpoint. They stand a better chance of passing on their genes. But you're referring to a situation that isn't universal. In my high school, for example, the jocks were generally seen as losers and the band kids (who were also quite nerdy) got the pussy. The were "fitter" Darwinistically.

    71. Re:MS is doing that by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      WP7 might be good, but to succeed it needs to be marketed as well as the iPhone and Android devices have been marketed. A phone is a personal accessory to lots of people. If they couldn't sell the Zune, what makes you think they can sell their phone?

      Sadly, Microsoft is pretty awful at marketing and many of their partners suck at design. I mean why did they put "Windows" in the name of their phone OS? Windows Phone 7 makes it sound like it's a phone version of Windows 7. Attractive, right? Maybe for vertical markets (which admittedly is a big market).

      The other problem Microsoft has is attracting developers. Apple has managed to sell their phones into a market that is very willing to spend quite a bit of money on applications. Android is much more open and will end up with a larger installed base of users, but will likely sell far fewer applications per phone. Where does Microsoft fit in?

      I think I know: in the same space that RIM is in. I predict MSFT will buy RIM in 2011.

    72. Re:MS is doing that by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      Windows Mobile was the best smartphone OS ever. Really. Yeah it was kind of clunky, but it worked and did almost everything imaginable. Developing for it was also awesome, at least compared to the other systems. Windows Phone 7 is like the opposite of that, all smooth and shiny, but sucks. Even the name is somehow more retarded.

      I've never seen a Zune either, but that's because they aren't sold in Europe. The reviews however all point to them being at least as good as the ipod, at least objectively speaking. Even the Zune software is better than itunes, though to be fair being punched in the balls is also better than itunes.

      Microsoft also provides Ford (and I think now others as well) with the SYNC system which by all accounts works great and is a big selling point for Fords. Remember slashdot freaking out over having MS software in their cars? Yeah.

      Their Surface is pretty cool and doesn't have much competition, though I'm not sure what's going on with it at the moment. The Xbox360, on the other hand, does have well established competition, and does pretty well against that. What's the worst argument against the xbox, that its failure rate is a few percentage point higher than average?

    73. Re:MS is doing that by Imagix · · Score: 1

      That was my big beef with my HTC 6800 phone. It was laggy for my primary usage, as a phone! I was happier with the RAZR I had before it and the LG-Wine after it. Now I'm on a Nexus One, and happy.

    74. Re:MS is doing that by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Music from the iTunes Store has been DRM-free for a while now. You can play the tunes on pretty much anything, from iTunes to VLC, from Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DSi to Microsoft Xbox 360.

      Funnily enough, it requires a small download for the Xbox360 because Microsoft still seems to think that WMA is popular and AAC is a fringe format. It's the other way around. I even wonder if Vorbis isn't more popular than WMA.

    75. Re:MS is doing that by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Xbox 360 is a fantastic product? So you've never owned one have you?

      I owned one, which lasted about 3 years before it RRoDed, BTW. I replaced it with another one. I'd say it's a fantastic product.

      RROD pops to mind and the overall 16.1% failure rate over 6 to 10 months use.

      Yes, yes.

      Plus the fact that it didn't support an HD format for games,

      Maybe I don't know what you mean by "HD format" but... yes it does? Duh? Xbox 360 games are HD by default. Hell, the original Xbox spit out 480p by default, and 1080i if games wanted.

      no Blu-ray support now,

      I don't care about that.

      no Bluetooth support,

      I can't even imagine a universe where I'd care about that. It has wireless controls, wireless IM keyboards, it just lacks the Bluetooth protocol specifically-- who gives a shit about the protocol if it has all the same peripherals?

    76. Re:MS is doing that by ffreeloader · · Score: 1

      And they're doing so with a log of interesting innovation.

      At least we can agree it's a "log".

      Yeah, it's one of those logs that's found in the crapper....

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    77. Re:MS is doing that by Skreems · · Score: 1

      The point that Ray Ozzie is trying to make is that, at some point, Microsoft needs to stop following the industry and become the one the industry follows again.

      This will never happen. Ever. Microsoft simply has too much dead weight in their workforce, and isn't attractive enough to convince the early adopter types to come back and work for them. It's the natural lifecycle of businesses. Once you have a certain number of products that need to be maintained, rather than developed fresh, you're forced to start hiring from the second tier, and it's the beginning of the end.

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    78. Re:MS is doing that by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The apps aren't included, but there are a lot of them out there, they aren't very expensive, and some of them are quite good.

      My wife has an iPad that I sometimes use and I think it has become the most used computer in our house. It certainly has the most paid-for software on it.

    79. Re:MS is doing that by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      A woman will marry the guy that can provide for her and her children. But if given the chance she will bear the children of the jock or most physically fit.

      If I remember right, 10% of children are not from the husband in a marriage. The husband thinks the child is his, but DNA tests prove otherwise. It was a UK study. They went into more details like how a woman often controls who may get her pregnant. She does this by having more sex when she is fertile with other people then her spouse. She also may have a lot of sex with her spouse when she is not fertile to lower his sperm count. They went into details with other methods too. I think it was in the sperm wars documentary.

    80. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 1

      Windows Phone 7 doesn't even have a sockets API. I'm not kidding. They expect you to use HTTP for everything. It also doesn't have multitasking. It's not a serious answer to the iPhone.

      But the truth also is that Microsoft has a huge dominance on computer market and that isn't going anywhere. They are truly dominating it.

      This article is about the world beyond PCs. That's where the industry is moving. As Steve Jobs said, PCs will be like pickup trucks--specialized hardware for people who need it but not what the majority uses. IBM also had market dominance. Well, the market changed.

    81. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fitness in the context of evolution doesn't refer to physical fitness.

    82. Re:MS is doing that by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it was in the sperm wars documentary.

      You know if I saw a video online titled, "Sperm Wars", the last thing I would conclude was that is a documentary.

      My first thought would be something out of Japan, and it does not involve whales.

    83. Re:MS is doing that by mcneely.mike · · Score: 1

      Hey Curtis.... get out from under my lawn!

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    84. Re:MS is doing that by pspahn · · Score: 1

      It may be a bias, but that's the type of demographic that lends itself to Apple products. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't have bothered to point that out.

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    85. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 1

      You're right, describing negative usage experiences of the disastrous Windows Phone is a "festering circlejerk."

      No wonder you posted anonymously.

    86. Re:MS is doing that by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      In my high school, for example, the jocks were generally seen as losers and the band kids (who were also quite nerdy) got the pussy. The were "fitter" Darwinistically.

      Are you sure you are not posting from an alternate universe?

      I noticed Slashdot made some changes with the javascript but....

    87. Re:MS is doing that by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      It's no use trying to argue with people who hate anything with an Apple logo on it. All they see is the shiny and the price and automatically think people only buy Apple because of those two things. They hate something that they either never even tried, or tried without giving it a chance because they hate and are locked into the mindset that they're limited in what they can do with anything Apple. They'd say that cars are limited and too expensive because you can't carry a fridge in them.

      Never mind that we can print directly to PDF, preview PDFs instantaneously without installing a PDF viewer, take screen captures in 24-bit PNG, use iTunes and all iDevices in WAV or MP3 instead of AAC, use drives in FAT32 instead of Mac OS Extended, etc.

      They don't want to understand that the iPad, for example, is not a "computer" in the classic sense, and that it's aimed at non-computer people. Things like mouse pointers, clicking vs double-clicking, files vs folders, browsers vs websites... too many concepts that we take for granted but are alien concepts to those who never used a computer in their life but now want to "get on the internet".

      Apple "locks" users into Apple products because Apple products just work. When these people try to use products from other companies, they find that the whole experience just plain sucks and go back to Apple by themselves. That's not locking users away, that's giving them what they want.

    88. Re:MS is doing that by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I'm on my third one, have an Elite from December '09 right now.

      HD format for disks, you know so you can have more content on a disk and higher resolution images.

      Blu-ray support or hell if the 360 had supported HD-DVD, for watching HD videos.

      Bluetooth support, you know so one can use their bluetooth headset to game with, rather than sending Microsoft another 50 dollars.

      Wifi would have been really nice to have on the original 360 models, but again they stick buyers with another 50-100 dollars for something that came standard in the Wii and PS3

    89. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 1

      So?

    90. Re:MS is doing that by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1, Troll
      perhaps you havent seen the shift microsoft has made since WinMo6.

      Have you actually used a W7 phone?

      Like most new MS UI designs (ribbon anyone?), it's superficially pretty in a banal kind of way, but doesn't actually improve anything. It's change for the sake of appearing different.

      The home screen's fine for a few apps, but gets in the way if you add more, and again, the more you use the OS, the more inconsistencies you run into. There's almost no "Wow" moments, and many times when you don't get what you expect - Bing appearing when you wanted to search inside a document, for example.

      I'd hesitate to say it was genuinely bad, but uninteresting, definitely. Using it made me even happier about choosing a Galaxy S (Android) for my own phone.

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    91. Re:MS is doing that by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm sure if you're part of that 16%, the 360 doesn't seem like a great device. But as someone who bought one 4 years ago and his keeps on humming, I'd say I'm quite happy with mine.

      The dashboard is slow, and I don't like the MRC. But given everything it DOES do... I'm quite please with it as a ~$200 device. It plays my Netflix stuff, it plays the vast majority of my home media over the network with no problems, I (occasionally) find great games out of XBL store, all the titles I want to play are released for it, I find the Last.fm and Facebook integration adequate, it's simple to use and it hasn't died on me yet. I'd say I got my moneys worth... and that's mostly what defines a good device to me nowadays. You have to remember that a PS3 at the time, while no doubt a better spec'd machine, was like $600, impossible to get your hands on and you couldn't play games with any of your friends. That last part might seems dumb, but it's still the case... and when I do play video games I want to play with buddies.

    92. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the point is, right now, I don't think anyone is too late to the party, as it's just getting started.

      It may appear that the party is just getting started, but that's from the consumer's point of view. From a product point of view, it will take many iterations of a product to compete when the market becomes saturated. And there's a whole infrastructure to develop behind the scenes...people aren't just buying a device, they're buying an integrated experience.

      Microsoft entering the competition now is late to the game. It will take them a few versions of their product before it's as usable as iOS/Android/Blackberry. And they will have a huge uphill battle to face to convince developer to write applications for their device since there's more money to be made targeting iOS and Android.

      The battle right now is between Apple's closed-but-fully-integrated solution and Androids clunkier-but-more-open response. Apple is betting that having apps, music, books and movies/tv all be a tap away for even the most novice users will be what makes users choose iPhone. Google is hoping that users will chafe under Apple's controlling ways. But what can Microsoft bring to the competition? It's highly unlikely that they can offer something as open as Android and they don't have anything to compete with iTMS to win the closed side of the battle (Exhibit A: Zune.)

      So yes, the party is just getting started. The early adopter faze is finished and those who waited are now going the smartphone route. But that doesn't mean that the established players don't have a huge head start on new entrants, even those as large as Microsoft.

    93. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm actively looking forward to being able to ditch my iPhone for a Windows Phone in a year or two. I hope Microsoft doesn't manage to screw it all up.

      I absolutely agree. Sometime in the next two or three years, Microsoft will almost certainly release a phone that is technically just as capable as the iPhone is today.

      Of course, it will probably run yet another incompatible Microsoft Mobile OS, probably called "Microsoft Windows Awesome Phone Great Job", and there won't be hardly any software for it, except "Microsoft Netflix Hulu SilverFlash Zune VideoStreaming App", Halo, and Tetris.

      And six months after that phone is released, Microsoft will drop support for it when they release the "Microsoft Windows Cloud Appliance 2013." To the end user, the only real difference will be that it will be incompatible with all the old applications, and Halo will be constantly connected to the network. This will drive up huge roaming fees for rural customers.

      But I kid. I can still listen to all my "Plays for Sure" songs on my Kin, right?

    94. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 1

      If you want to understand Apple's mentality, it's this--they're not as interested in being #1 in the market as they are interested in being the best in the market. They believe that entails quality control of the third-party user experience on smartphones. This is no different from what game console manufacturers like Nintendo do.

    95. Re:MS is doing that by leenks · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points! That rocks! :-)

      +5 funny!

    96. Re:MS is doing that by alc6379 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you really been paying attention to the latest Windows OS's? Server 2008 isn't "monolithic"-- if you look at Server Core, there's not even an "explorer" to run. There's just a command shell, sitting on top of the Windows kernel.

      I'm not a fanboi, but I do give credit where credit is due-- It's been a long time since Windows was as monolithic as you are suggesting. It is just as modular as any other OS now-- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the shell or other components. In this sense, it's perfectly reasonable to say that there's a modified Windows kernel, and WP7 just has a different interface to that kernel, same as iOS, or Android.

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    97. Re:MS is doing that by js3 · · Score: 1

      If anything Symbian and Blackberry phones are behind the competition.. oh wait. Why do most people assume everything is supposed to be be built for the iphone crowd?

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    98. Re:MS is doing that by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      HD format for disks, you know so you can have more content on a disk and higher resolution images.

      So by "HD" you don't mean "high definition" you mean "high capacity?" HD is a video format; it has nothing to do with putting more content on disks. Like I said, even the original Xbox was HD by any reasonable definition of the term.

      Anyway, here's the real choice:
      1) a $400 console using a normal DVD drive
      2) a $600 console using a higher capacity drive, and releasing a full year later

      Which do you pick? Well, Microsoft picked 1, and Sony picked 2. That doesn't make Microsoft right and Sony wrong (or vice-versa), that just means there was a hard choice and they both had to make it and they did.

      Blu-ray support or hell if the 360 had supported HD-DVD, for watching HD videos.

      Well, if that's important to you, it's important to you. To me? Not important.

      Bluetooth support, you know so one can use their bluetooth headset to game with, rather than sending Microsoft another 50 dollars.

      Huh? I don't get it. Are you trying to say headsets are cheaper when they're bluetooth? Where does the $50 come from? Are you ok paying money for headsets, as long as you're paying someone other than Microsoft? I don't understand what you're getting at here.

      Wifi would have been really nice to have on the original 360 models,

      Yes, it would have.

      but again they stick buyers with another 50-100 dollars for something that came standard in the Wii and PS3

      At launch, only the more expensive PS3 had wifi built-in. Don't rewrite history.

      Look, if you hate the Xbox so much, why the fuck did you buy 3 of them? Microsoft must be doing *something* right! Even their loudest critics buy THREE. God knows how many you'd have bought if you liked them.

    99. Re:MS is doing that by BBTaeKwonDo · · Score: 1
      Yet again, as seen not too long ago on Slashdot, a well thought-out post extolling the virtues of Microsoft technologies. Just like the last one:
      • posted by a non-subscriber
      • posted within a minute of the article's publication
      • adoring of this vaporware Courier tablet
      • posted by a new user who has never posted before

      Astroturf much?

    100. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In their particular industry CW is the leader. Yet another gross over simplification. Oh. And thanks for reposting what anyone who can read Wikipedia knows. Sadly Wikipedia doesn't seem to know what CW does today either. Maybe that's where you lost your way.

    101. Re:MS is doing that by js3 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying Microsoft invents stuff and Apple just copies and refines it? How is that not innovating?

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      did you forget to take your meds?
    102. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In case you forgot, Apple is a hardware company. You can't compare Apple and Microsoft on the software level because Apple is also making the hardware. iTunes is just the centralized app they use to sync media across those devices and is not a valid comparison to an OS. You don't even have to use iTunes to purchase apps anymore.

      The point is that Microsoft wants to put Windows on everything. Apple wants to sell hardware devices. That gives Apple an advantage in product flexibility, from workstations to pocket music players to TV addons. Microsoft doesn't have control over what hardware is popular in the market, so they have to bend Windows to it and try to force the idea that it's all Windows, and Windows is great. Apple isn't trying to sell OS X. It's a technical advantage that iOS is based on OS X's foundations, but that's not the point of the iPhone.

      To summarize, the point of a smartphone to Apple is to have an amazing smartphone. The point of a smartphone to Microsoft is to run Windows.

      P.S. People who end their posts with "period" are obnoxious.

    103. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting thing about your claim that their main goal is to lock people in to their store is that their store isn't their profit center, their hardware is. If locking people into their store is their main goal, and not providing a good user experience that will sell hardware, then they'd have to be a company driven by evilness rather than profit. I'm sure some slashdotters want to believe that, but it's ridiculous on the face of it.

    104. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      worse the rich geek is then presented with his high school crush trailing the jocks evil spawn and then enticed to raise them. sadly watched a few good geeks go this way

    105. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Central York H.S., PA, class of 92. The only way jocks were going to get laid was roofies.

    106. Re:MS is doing that by haruharaharu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Jocks get the pussy, so yes they are the fittest, and so long as they continue getting laid, why change? The nerds and geeks around here (seattle) do pretty well for them selves, but the secret is this: own yourself and don't take any shit and be attractive - you will get some too. You don't have to be a jock or a meathead, but it helps to be in decent shape and have some physical skill (unless you like disappointing your sackmates).

      All that pretend crap you're talking about is just getting in the way - bail on it, find what makes you happy and just TALK TO THEM LIKE THEY'RE NORMAL.

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    107. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it doesn't. Because Apple's stores make perfect sense exactly as they are. Incrementalism implies some other end goals, but the way things work now already explain the current status.

      What's worse, is your imagined end goal of Apple locking people into the Mac App Store completely contradicts Apple's current methodology. Locking people into the Mac App Store won't make Macs more appealing, it will make them far less appealing. So much so in fact that I'm quite certain that if they ever made it mandatory, people would leave Apple in droves.

      In order to keep selling Macs, Apple has to make Macs more attractive than PCs. A locked-in store won't do this. It will do the exact opposite.

      So your theory requires that Apple would give up on their core business (hardware) in order to force people into something that hardly makes any money. Something that can only exist as long as people buy their hardware in the first place!

      It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    108. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Microsoft makes a tablet that isn't some bastardized copy of Windows, I'll take a look.

      I am getting to be the opposite with 'tablet' os's.

      In the past few months I have been using these tablet form items (kindle, ipad, android, etc...). In many ways they are a step forward. In many ways they are a step back in usability.

      I can touch type. But these things reduce me to hunt and peck. Blech.... 80+ wpm to 3.

      Someone sends me a link to a video. I basically have to close out that session and open the other application. Which makes for a mental context switch. I got quite got used to 3-5 applications all going at once and doing my bidding. Going back to 1 at a time. Lets say I am not happy. I like the portability and the ease of instillation. But this 1 app at a time crap not so much. I notice it quite nicely when trying to surf and chat with friends. Oh sure they are 'still in the background'. But it is not as good.

      Apple 'got' what all the other smart phone guys didnt. What *ALL* of the wince devs and users were screaming at MS, Nokia, HTC, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon. Make this easy to use and install our applications. That is what apple 'got'. The interface isnt much different than your bog standard palm os, and not radically different than any wince os (having owned and used many of these things over the years...). The store is what made the iphone 'good'. Building your own application for wince was a nightmare. Then getting your application to 'stick' to any wince device was horrible (if the device manufacture/carrier let you install anything) when the power went out. Installing was thru activesync which blew chunks because it was flakey and crashy. Apple 'got it' when blamer did not, it really is about developers. It was a bitch to use and a bitch to dev for.

    109. Re:MS is doing that by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      Linux is an OS - get over yourself. You do make a good point, though (in spite of yourself)

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    110. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 1

      It's no use trying to argue with people who hate anything with an Apple logo on it.

      Probably, but hopefully there are those that will read posts like mine and be spared the insanity of becoming an anti-Apple fanboy.

      Apple "locks" users into Apple products because Apple products just work. When these people try to use products from other companies, they find that the whole experience just plain sucks and go back to Apple by themselves. That's not locking users away, that's giving them what they want.

      Well said. In the recent conference call, Jobs stated this as "fragmented vs. integrated". The crazies read that as "open vs. closed". They see, "closed and controlled" as Apple's end goals when their end goals are "integrated and usable". They fear a future (locked-in Mac App Store) which makes no sense because it goes counter to what Apple is trying to do.

      Now that I've written that out, I can fully see how certain vocal types here will have trouble understanding it.

    111. Re:MS is doing that by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Yet there is a Mac called an iMac.

    112. Re:MS is doing that by losfromla · · Score: 0, Offtopic
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    113. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The original complaint was about "Windows" brand being reused for a mobile OS. I merely pointed out that Apple also reuses the same brand between its mobile and desktop offerings.

    114. Re:MS is doing that by Sheik+Yerbouti · · Score: 1

      Wow rare to see an actual MS fanboy much less one on Slashdot. Xbox 360 fantastic product with around 50% failure rate that's a bit of hyperbole. Courrier was a demo it does not exist. Windows phone 7 is a step in the right direction but they are so far behind in the phone space it's like Zune all over again. Microsoft has been missing the boat entirely on a number of fronts for a few years now. I suspect it's grown to big to innovate anymore it's all design by committee now. They have surpassed their nemesis IBM for bureaucracy. They have become that which they despised.

    115. Re:MS is doing that by BlowChunx · · Score: 1

      perhaps you havent seen the shift microsoft has made since WinMo6.

      No, I think he means the Kin. Another aborted attempt at a user interface...

    116. Re:MS is doing that by jedidiah · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The main reason that PhoneOS doesn't completely suck as a non-n00b platform is the fact that it is just Darwin underneath. If it wasn't for this fact, it's own myopic limitations would be unbearable. People like to whine about how Microsoft is myopic but Apple really isn't any better. They just have the best shills right now.

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    117. Re:MS is doing that by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      You aren't really listening. iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux.

      Windows Phone 7 is also designed from ground up to be a touch-based OS (unlike WinMo, which was more pen-oriented). So? What does branding have to do with it all?

      From the name I also assumed it was the usual Microsoft sub-par rehash of their desktop OS.

      This is why branding is important.

      If it was called something like Microsoft Touch 7, then this misconception would not happen. But, someone in Microsoft clearly insisted on trying to capitalise on the Windows brand. This is why IMO they "just don't get it".

    118. Re:MS is doing that by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Your life sucks because a toy telephone prevented you from winning concert tickets?

      ...what if he was trying to dial 911?

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    119. Re:MS is doing that by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Name any of that "Interesting Innovation".

      Would not happen to be no multitasking or no copy-paste would it?

      No kidding. Apple did that YEARS ago.

      (Posted from an iPhone 4)

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    120. Re:MS is doing that by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Um, no. Transformers can just flip between two states, and don't evolve [as in, upgrade their abilities to do new things].

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    121. Re:MS is doing that by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      And they're doing so with a log of interesting innovation.

      At least we can agree it's a "log".

      It's better than bad, it's good?

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    122. Re:MS is doing that by gmhowell · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It certainly has the most paid-for software on it.

      Say-what-now? What kind of software? Have you forgotten where you're posting? If it's not in an apt-get repository or in a torrent somewhere, it just does not exist. That's the only reason I can figure for all of the hate.

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    123. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FIRST POST!

      Uh... wait...

    124. Re:MS is doing that by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Even better, the other year they had 99.7% uptime!

      Today is a good day to Zune.
      The end of a leap year, not so good.

    125. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anedoctal evidence. an MS surface bluescreened on the studo of globo TV live during their coverage of the brasilian election earlier this month. yeah, it's cool, but it still carries the MS stigma for buggy software.

    126. Re:MS is doing that by dbIII · · Score: 1

      While you may have an opinion that a solitaire card game is an intergral part of the OS the textbooks disagree and point out that it and even the shell are in userspace.
      You and many others have fallen for the stupid argument in the Microsoft vs Netscape court case which did not fool the Judge.

    127. Re:MS is doing that by weachiod · · Score: 1

      Google does this with web searches too, by sending you to the mobile version. It sucks, I have to always rerun the search after selecting google classic.

      So in other words you are saying that Google does it wrong, while Microsoft has actually introduced it correctly and with good usability?

    128. Re:MS is doing that by MichaelKristopeit+53 · · Score: 0, Troll
      you haven't heard?

      slashdot = stagnated

    129. Re:MS is doing that by IainCartwright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The innovation that interests me is that i can buy one of a range of handsets but my OS gets updated by microsoft.
      If microsoft lives up to their promises i will have copy and paste, and limited multi-tasking, and presumably other cool stuff 12 months down the track.
      I would love android to succeed but i fear it will be harmed when customers are pissed off paying $800 for a phone that their carrier refuses to update to the latest version only 12 months down the track. How may 1.5 owners will get 2.2?
      apple got it exactly right with the iPhone - they deliver iOS updates. The downside being you don't have the choice with the hardware (not that the harware is bad - i love my iPod Touch).
      The evil guys here are Telstra, Optus and Vodaphone (insert local equivalents). Maybe Google should step up to the plate for once and take some responsibility by distributing with the same model as Apple/Microsoft?

    130. Re:MS is doing that by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Apple did. I wonder how many macs the iPod sold?

    131. Re:MS is doing that by mikestew · · Score: 1

      *sigh*, and the last of my mod points expired yesterday. Console yourself with the fact that I laughed.

    132. Re:MS is doing that by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It's been a LONG time since high school, dude. But I'll tell you, I get plenty of sex. I didn't in HS, but I do now.

      If you have enough brainpower you can learn anything -- even how to get laid. Read my journals.

    133. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1: Batshit Crazy

    134. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Your life sucks because a toy telephone prevented you from winning concert tickets?

      ...what if he was trying to dial 911?

      Word to the wise ... you aren't going to win concert tickets if you dial 911.

    135. Re:MS is doing that by gutnor · · Score: 1
      Maybe, but Apple is less interested in keeping that headstart than keeping the luxury segment of the market. They simply do not have enough different products to even pose a serious challenge in market share (in $ share, that's another matter). The real battle will be between Android and MS - Google already make money with each IOS device on the market, so Apple is not their real enemy here, just a partner that does not focus enough on the market that Google want to reach (i.e. everybody, including flash user and poor indian workers that buy a 10$ phone).

      What will be interesting is to see how the 2 business models clashes. One company is selling OS - the other one is selling eyeballs and produce an OS as a tool to get those eyeballs. Google seems to have the upper hand, but MS is not bad at providing OEM with the right tools. I hope they do not screw up - competition is good.

    136. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's it exactly. The concept of "windows" was meant to emulate papers and folders on a real-world desk, so as to give the user some frame of reference in which to work. Here's the desk you know. Now it is your desktop on a computer screen. Years later, we still call that main screen the "desktop" after all.

      But a phone or TV set or other device isn't a desk. It doesn't have folders and stacks of paper and similar things. You would never open a folder to make a phone call. There's literally nothing in common with the "windows" metaphor.

      Yet the branding of "Windows" persists and it is more than just a name as it also affects the corporate mindset. They don't get it that people don't want to use their old wood-top desktops and related metaphors to do everything. Instead, they just want to do it directly, no metaphor needed. They don't want to start Windows so they can run IE to look at the internet. They just want to look at the internet, pretty much without regard to how they get there.

      Microsoft of course makes most of its bread and butter selling software that provides that middleware

      Devices like the current smart phones have realized what people actually want, and in a feedback loop, helped people realize what they wanted all along was to do some task, not use the middleware to do it.

      By releasing a new phone stuck with the Windows moniker, Microsoft persists in the middleware model that is just no longer relevant to what people want. Unless they change, unless they give up the model that has admittedly earned them much money and given them much power, unless they walk away from that to whatever is next, what is next will walk away from them. Either way, Microsoft has a lot of change ahead of it.

    137. Re:MS is doing that by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Microsoft killed the Courier to protect its investment in Apple and thus ensuring success of iPad. I know its really a looong argument, but why else a company would shoot itself in the foot?

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    138. Re:MS is doing that by s4m7 · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Market cap doesn't neccesarily reflect earnings, true. But market cap is an important number in representing clout. It's also relevant to note that it reflects the current cash value of the total operation of a publicly-traded company. So for all of MS's higher revenues, if they both cashed out today, Apple's worth more.

      Now I'm not going to dispute that a lot of that value is speculative. But a typical iphone costs about $100 to produce and provides well over $2000 in revenue over a 2-year span. Apple takes a big chunk of that as pure profit because of exclusivity agreements and transaction fees. Thats not a bad business model given the relatively explosive growth of smartphones globally.

      There might be a lot more windows PC's in the world, but MS takes in on average about $200-$400 in licenses over the life of a machine. the growth in that sector has dropped dramatically over the last decade and is nearing a plateau if it hasn't reached it already. Microsoft has known for 15 years or more the value of expanding into other markets (1996 gave us expedia, slate, MSN, the AOL browser partnership) but they consistently fail to bring the winning platform to market in these arenas. take for example xbox, zune, the long-slow-death of the windows phone platform: not terribly peforming products but never a game-changer.

      it consistently comes back to MS's relentless, myopic focus on the enterprise. Their wagon is eternally hitched to large companies doing well. this is not, in my view (and i do not appear to be alone), a viable long-term strategy anymore.

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    139. Re:MS is doing that by ooshna · · Score: 1

      Hey if a transformer can start our as a Volkswagen Beetle and then change into even a Jeep that would upgrade its abilities and be able to do knew things.

    140. Re:MS is doing that by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

      > "Survival of the most adaptable"
       
      Even this needs work, as it can be read different ways.
       
      We humans think we are the most adaptable, because we can survive in any climate.
      The smartest of the great white sharks think that they are the most adaptable, because for so very long their species has been adapting so perfectly to it's environment.
      Or how about apples? Apples have survived and prospered around the globe. A minuscule portion of the apple genome managed to attract a "carrier" * and "propagator" species. Now most of the variation in the apple genome is lost. But a bit of the apple genome is everywhere and will probably survive a long time. **
       
      Which is the "most adaptable" ?
       
      It seems the correct phrase and concept is "Survival of the fittest." Because in different cases, species become fit via different "strategies" of adaptation. You could say that humans are the most immediately adaptable, sharks are the most adapted, and apples and those frogs that swallow eggs and puke up froglings are just "really damn cleverly" adapted.
       
      *A real biologist could replace my quotations with a more correct, non-anthropomorphic alternative.
      **Even with a shrunken gene pool and mono-culture problems. Apples have become very important to the right species.

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    141. Re:MS is doing that by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      Apple did. I wonder how many macs the iPod sold?

      Or how many Windows users bought an iPod, hated that piece of crap called iTunes, and swore off buying a Mac?

    142. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is indeed insightful, you are clearly someone who gets it.
      In the most simple terms, for the kids taking notes at home:

      MS is still fixated on renting software licenses.
      Apple is still fixated on selling pretty leashes.
      Google is still fixated on selling you.

      All three are big lumbering giants with many constituent parts; the hands do not always know who to feed or who has bitten them. The old queens whisper to each other the crazy things the worker bees are saying, it reminds them of when they were young and radical. Then the day comes to leave the hive and they imagine they are speaking truth to power.

    143. Re:MS is doing that by pgmrdlm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Put your tin foil hat back on. Your starting to capture to many rays from outer space.

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    144. Re:MS is doing that by lonecrow · · Score: 1

      "Survival of the fittest" does not square with the logic of natural selection. "Survival of the just fit enough to tap that" would be much more appropriate

    145. Re:MS is doing that by Godskitchen · · Score: 1

      The principle of "survival of the fittest" applies to a species that fills a particular niche. Apples, sharks and humans all fill different niches (they don't compete directly with one another), thus you're really comparing apples to oran... sharks. ;)

    146. Re:MS is doing that by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Which brings me to tablets: If Microsoft makes a tablet that isn't some bastardized copy of Windows, I'll take a look. Until then, no thank you. Buying an overpriced one use computing device to me seem silly, and trying to shoehorn Windows into a tablet type device is just as pointless.

      At which point does it stop being "some bastardised copy of Windows" ? After all, iOS is just OSX with most of the functionality ripped out and a new GUI on top.

    147. Re:MS is doing that by mahadiga · · Score: 1

      I think Microsoft management fears disruptive technologies.

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    148. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Optimus Prime. He dies.

    149. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So by "HD" you don't mean "high definition" you mean "high capacity?" HD is a video format; it has nothing to do with putting more content on disks. Like I said, even the original Xbox was HD by any reasonable definition of the term

      So... now that we are playing the being dense game, I play too:

      HD actually can actually mean a lot of things ( High Definition, Hard Drive, Heavy Duty, Harley-Davidson, High Density, Head,Hold,Honda,Hard Disk, Hundred,Hyundai, Help Desk, Heidelberg, Högsta Domstolen [Swedish supreme court of justice]).

      Within the subject discussed here it can mean High Density. HD is *not* a video format. The closest thing is HDTV, which uses the term "High Definition" to " refer to video having resolution substantially higher than traditional television systems".

    150. Re:MS is doing that by scarveszcl · · Score: 0

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    151. Re:MS is doing that by chrb · · Score: 1

      It is just as modular as any other OS now-- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the shell or other components.

      The iPhone is just as open as any other device now -- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the applications or other components.

    152. Re:MS is doing that by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      So what you're saying is that most women are cheating sluts whose main aim in life is getting pregnant by a variety of knuckle-heads, while leeching off their poor husband-slaves?

      Always good to see some radical feminist thinking on slashdot.

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    153. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be referring to some time when Microsoft innovated. Was that when they copied DOS, knocked-off the Mac, or made a better spreadsheet program?

    154. Re:MS is doing that by nstlgc · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You're not locked into anything Apple. You bought one Apple device, what application do you use to put music on it? Does it start with an 'i' ? But you're not locked into anything Apple. And since you don't own a Mac, I'll have to assume you're running the Windows version, too - you know, the one everyone agrees is a piece of crap. But you can't change, even though you're not locked into anything Apple. You can't just connect the iPod to a computer, treat it as a mass storage device and drag MP3s on it (or heavens forbid, drag MP3s OFF it). But you're not locked into anything Apple. You're not locked into anything Apple, and you're not drinking the koolaid. 1+1 is still 3.

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    155. Re:MS is doing that by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      Everything mutates. Our universe seems to be wired this way. What's more interesting is that mutations are passive.

      A Transformer does not "mutate" into a vehicle. But a mutation might impact the speed or effectiveness of the transformation. The result might be a tactical advantage over other transformers. This advantage would incite female transformers to prefer the newly mutated transformer and help propagate this newly acquired mutation through procreation. Don't blame me, I didn't invent anthropomorphism.

      Transformer pr0n, it's out there!

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    156. Re:MS is doing that by Alioth · · Score: 1

      They called it Windows, therefore people will have the (unrealistic) expectation that it runs Windows apps. When it doesn't, they will be disappointed and tell their friends, or get the impression that Windows mobile is somehow "a bastardised Windows".

      Apple's marketing idea was much better. While iOS might share roots with OSX, they don't call the iPhone/iPad operating system 'OSX'. They call it iOS. There is then no expectation that an iOS device will run Mac apps in the mind of the user.

    157. Re:MS is doing that by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Smartphones and tablets are a step in the right direction, but they're nowhere near the ideal of ubiquitous computing that Ozzie is suggesting. Much like Microsoft, you're not looking far enough ahead.

      If you're not thinking directly implanted neural interfaces, you're just being short-sighted.

      Oh, and where's my flying car?

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    158. Re:MS is doing that by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But to Apple's credit, they didn't just shrink OS X and shove it into a smart phone.

      Uh, yes, that's exactly what they did. They took some parts out, wrapped existing parts into a limited API for use on mobile devices, and let it go.

      Apple really thought that iPhone needed a new UI strategy and designed iOS around multi-touch.

      All the same shit is in MacOS but inactive. And it's not in the kernel, it's just a userspace application.

      On the flip side, Windows Mobile isn't the built on the same core OS as Windows 95/NT; MS made it intentionally more like desktop Windows and put it on a smart phone. There was very little focus on the fact if the UI might need to be changed.

      And yet adding multitouch wasn't all that hard because Windows already had events for things like scrolling and zooming.

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    159. Re:MS is doing that by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How did Sony get in during the PS1 era, and how was that not "buying"?

      Sony got in during the PS1 era by having a piece of hardware that they had designed with guidance from Nintendo. They turned it into a complete game console which was dramatically easier to develop games for than the competition, and which had two major advantages over the primary competition, the Sega Saturn; it was $100 cheaper, and it had hardware transparency. The Saturn's only advantage was an expansion slot primarily used for a VideoCD decoder, and VCD never took off outside of Asia. Sony won by default due to no serious competition.

      I agree that Xbox 360 isn't entirely dominating the high-definition console market. But it's still noticeably ahead of PS3, especially in North America.

      Just to be snarky... are there actually Xbox 360 titles in full high-definition now? ;) (ObDisclaimer: Sony can DIAF and I have a 360...)

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    160. Re:MS is doing that by tepples · · Score: 1

      are there actually Xbox 360 titles in full high-definition now?

      Sure, a few Xbox 360 games that use complicated shaders and the like are rendered at 576p and upscaled. But others have true 720p graphics, as opposed to the 480p in the Wii.

    161. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      You're making certain assumptions and are holding them firm because they suit your argumentative purposes. But this doesn't necessarily make them true.

      Points
      A) Apple is a hardware company.
      B) App stores don't make money

      Counterpoints
      I) Apple shifted purposes in the previous decade. Their move to Intel was a key indicator, but there are many others. Apple is not designing anything beyond aesthetics - China is doing all the rest. Look at the impact this had on the 'iPhone 4'. This wasn't always the case, but is today.
      II) Apple's App store concept is still in the honeymoon phase. They can and will ramp up their profit margins as their lock in increases. Every company on the face of the planet has done this, and to assume that Apple is somehow too cool to do so isn't exactly the pinnacle of intellectual honesty.

      So, in that light...

      In order to keep selling Macs, Apple has to make Macs exactly like iPhones, but bigger. A locked-in store provides this. It will make them tons of money.

      This is a forward-looking argument, to be sure. But there is at least a little credence to it, if you're open minded enough to recognize the nuances. Didn't they announce something exactly like a 'locked down app store' for the Mac JUST the other day? And didn't His Jobsness specifically say that it 'was not the only way, but the best way'? All that's required to make my assessment 100% current is to drop that former portion of the statement. And seriously, how long does Jobs typically ALLOW the plebeians to use the not-best way?

      I'm exaggerating. But only a little.

    162. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A troll mod for not gushing over MS's latest product?

      How low can Slashdot sink?

    163. Re:MS is doing that by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft could be thus, but there needs to be a jet engine to come along and displace their prop. I'm not seeing what that might be.

      The replacement of large heavy resourced computers with big powerful OSes with small mobile devices with small focused OSes as the most ubiquitous form of computing?

      Not saying full blown desktop and capable laptops will go away, but as is so often noted, most computer use is email, web surfing, and more recently, light gaming. Sort of like Jobs' analogy about trucks I guess.

    164. Re:MS is doing that by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      My point is that MS merely replaced the mouse for a stylus and called Windows Mobile done. Apple actually designed the iPhone to use a completely different UI from OS X; in other words. It seems that you won't give Apple any credit for that.

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    165. Re:MS is doing that by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      I) Apple design a bit more than aesthetics, and you are being disingenuous by saying so. China is building their hardware, not designing it.

      II) Can and will? How exactly is their lock-in going to increase? They face some healthy competition. What you put forth as fact is pretty plainly just your opinion. IMO, you're wrong.

      To your last paragraph, what is "locked down" about their upcoming app store for the mac? It is entirely optional, unlike the iOS store.

      You are exaggerating more than a little. I'll remember to mock you in a few years when macs are still as open as ever.

    166. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      You are exaggerating more than a little. I'll remember to mock you in a few years when macs are still as open as ever.

      I'll hold you to that, because it works both ways.

    167. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, along with many others, liked Courier because it was a fantasy. It was never a real product, just a fake rendering of a very interesting idea. Its main purpose was to distract interest away from Apple's tablet, and it appears to have done its job for some (although not nearly well enough to keep the iPad from becoming a huge success).

      ]

      No, Courier was an incubation research product that existed to do exactly what it did -- produce IP and vision for partner OEMs.

      You're right that it did its job, but it had nothing to do with Apple, wasn't a fake rendering and wasn't ever intended to turn into a product.

      Take a guess about why this is anon ...

    168. Re:MS is doing that by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You don't need iTunes to use an iPod; my daughter has an iPod, doesn't use iTunes, and plans on buying a MacBook.

      Your premise makes no sense to me.

    169. Re:MS is doing that by vertinox · · Score: 1

      They already have passed their genes on (or, if not, they will soon), so, as far as evolution is concerned, they won. A billionaire bachelor geek loses the evolution game to a former jock living in a trailer who has three kids with his first wife and two more with his mistress.

      Hrm... Maybe that is why so many men are gay.

      The only winning move is not to play.

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    170. Re:MS is doing that by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      "You don't need iTunes to use an iPod; "

      This is not obvious to a non techie. I can tell you that my non techie friends are amazed when told they don't HAVE to use iTunes. Most of them just go on using it anyway, since the thought of using something not "official" to manage the iPod scares them. Your daughter doesn't count, she either has you to inform her of options or is the geek child of a geek and should know. Not typical.

      Some of these same non techies have been so frustrated with iTunes that i've frequently heard comments like "apple makes great software?", "just works, my ass". I doubt they will be rushing to the Apple store to grab a copy of OSX any time soon.

    171. Re:MS is doing that by hb79 · · Score: 0

      > They're the "cool" company (in the US) when it comes to videogame consoles.

      But apparently not with the U.S. Marines in Iraq.

      http://kotaku.com/5672353/marine-firing-squad-shoots-up-xbox-360

    172. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I) Apple shifted purposes in the previous decade. Their move to Intel was a key indicator, but there are many others. Apple is not designing anything beyond aesthetics - China is doing all the rest. Look at the impact this had on the 'iPhone 4'. This wasn't always the case, but is today.

      What are you talking about? Apple designs the hell out of their hardware. If you think the unibody enclosure, the A4 chip, or the internal battery design are all about aesthetics, you're off your rocker.

      II) Apple's App store concept is still in the honeymoon phase. They can and will ramp up their profit margins as their lock in increases. Every company on the face of the planet has done this, and to assume that Apple is somehow too cool to do so isn't exactly the pinnacle of intellectual honesty.

      What's intellectually dishonest is to pretend, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, that Apple is planning on locking in the Mac App Store. It's absurd--the moment they did that, they would instantly lose customers. Why would they give up the tens of billions per year they get from the Mac in order to make maybe hundreds of millions on software (in revenue. in profits, much, much less)? And for how much longer will they be able to sell Mac Apps if no one is buying Macs?

      Didn't they announce something exactly like a 'locked down app store' for the Mac JUST the other day? And didn't His Jobsness specifically say that it 'was not the only way, but the best way'?

      You've got to be joking. How is it "exactly like a locked down app store" if it's "not the only way"?

      All that's required to make my assessment 100% current is to drop that former portion of the statement. And seriously, how long does Jobs typically ALLOW the plebeians to use the not-best way?

      Jobs isn't some super-villian. He doesn't "typically ALLOW the plebes", he makes a product the best he thinks he can. Control isn't done for control's sake, it's done when it makes the product better. Locking down the Mac App Store in no what whatsoever makes the Mac better. It makes it worse. Your assertion is based on the idea that Jobs will deliberately make the Mac worse, losing precious hardware sales, for the sole purpose of control? It's madness.

      I'm exaggerating. But only a little.

      Exaggeration is still exaggeration. Reality is what it actually is, and it's never an exaggerated version of itself.

    173. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 1

      You are exaggerating more than a little. I'll remember to mock you in a few years when macs are still as open as ever.

      I'll hold you to that, because it works both ways.

      When have you ever predicted anything accurate about Apple? I can only guess the number of already failed predictions you've made about the iPad.

      Need I do a search?

    174. Re:MS is doing that by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      True, she cut her teeth on MS-DOS. However, I recently had to disabuse her of the idea you had to jailbreak a Mac to install Linux on it.

      The people who buy Macs do so for two reasons: the "I'm rich and hip" crowd, and those who need it because of the available software, mostly stuff like image or sound editing.

    175. Re:MS is doing that by alc6379 · · Score: 1

      It is just as modular as any other OS now-- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the shell or other components.

      The iPhone is just as open as any other device now -- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the applications or other components.

      There's a difference between "open" and "modular"-- "modular" simply means interchangeable components, and implies nothing about who is capable or authorized to do it. Conversely, just because something is "open", that doesn't mean it's going to be trivial to yank out one component and replace it with another, just because one has the source code or schematics for it.

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    176. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only on Slashdot would such wishful thinking get moderated "insightful" :p

      "Close, but no. In all seriousness, Apple does not 'get all of this' in the manner that you suggest. They're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their App stores. "

      So you are basically claiming that Apple isn't "winning" due to technical, procedural or some other tangible superiority but by tricking customers?

      Seriously?

      If Apple's products weren't seen as superior for some real, tangible reasons no matter the "lock in" people would be switching away from them in droves.

      "So to claim that Apple doesn't possess limited thinking is, in my view, patently false. They are just as single minded, but towards a different end."

      You are partially right - they are singled minded in that they want to develop products with an impeccable user experience - "Products that we want to use". So, in that way you are 100% correct - they are single minded, but not in a bad way. And as for "limited thinking" - well, you don't become the second most valuable company in the world by having a myopic vision. They may not cater to every whim of every person out there (and they may cater even less to your wants and desires as a hard core slashdot posting geek) but they know exactly who there customers are, what their desires are, and they routinely execute against them more than successfully.

      Starting with the iMac, then the iPod, then the iPhone and now the iPad - and each time the rate of adoption of their new platform/technology has accelerated.

      You don't do that by tricking people or having vapid products that people buy only because of style. There is significant substance to Apple's success. There has to be - otherwise they wouldn't be as successful as they are!

      "They don't care about the technology in the least (iphone that doesn't work well as a phone, anyone?), but they ARE indeed all about the platform and the vehicle to future sales that it represents."

      They don't care about the technology in the least? Are you high? Look at the iPhone 4 - Foxconn told them that the machine to assemble the cases were only prototypes and meant for small runs and they insisted on the new materials and manufacturing technique so Foxconn went out and literally bought thousands of these machines to assemble the iPhone 4. Yes, it looks cool, but from a technological standpoint it produces a very compact and durable phone case - it's not just about style!

      Now I will agree with you 100% they don't care about technology solely for the sake of technology. Apple will never slavishly labor to match every feature checklist of every other product (living or dead) - and I'm fine with that. Quite often that geek-oriented checklist-focused design leads to products like Windows Mobile that just flat out suck.

      And as for platform - everything they are doing with platform is to perpetuate the user experience. If they were so into "lock in" and "walled gardens" in the negative context that so many elitist techies try to deride them for, why are they a major contributor to Web Kit and why did they deliver such a compelling mobile browser in Mobile Safari that it literally set the smartphone market on it's head (the app store didn't come out for over a year past the original iPhone mind you, and the original iPhone was a run away success all on it's own)?

      Pretty stupid thing for a company so obsessive about "lock in" to do. The obvious answer is because Apple isn't concerned about lock in in the least! Why should they be? They focus on the end user experience, deliver products that offer an over-all superior experience and the market rewards them since people actually seek their products out and buy them! There is no need to "lock in" users or other such inane comments. You can't fool people for ever - either your products are inherently good or they will be unsuccessful.

      Just because Apple's style and approach is incompatible with your wants and

    177. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      So you are basically claiming that Apple isn't "winning" due to technical, procedural or some other tangible superiority but by tricking customers?

      Seriously?

      If Apple's products weren't seen as superior for some real, tangible reasons no matter the "lock in" people would be switching away from them in droves.

      I generally don't respond to comments so far out of date in the original conversation. When I saw the sheer size of your post, I considered making an exception. Then I got to this part of the comment, and changed my mind.

      Marketing forces are real, and they have an odd impact on human behavior. You're not aware of this, so I think we'll just stop right there so you can do a little Googling...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Rock

         

    178. Re:MS is doing that by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Problem is, I meet a never ending stream of excuses - I'm too old for you, you are too young for me, you're not enough bad boy/too smart for me, I must suffer alone, I don't need any help, etc. The only ones that seem worth it are the ones I have no chance with - at all. I'd rather get drugged and watch Dr Who, speaking of which...

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    179. Re:MS is doing that by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      Hit on different women, get used to talking to women without expectations and just be funny/engaging. If you're actually into the women you go for, when she says too old/too smart/etc. that just means try a bit more (just don't go too far, and by doing, you learn where that is). Some mutual interest is fine, and don't be afraid to be a total geek - lots of girls out here like that.

      One thing that really helps: learn to dance, get some rhythm, and get in better shape. Most women like a nice ass just as much as we do.

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    180. Re:MS is doing that by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      My ass is in fine shape, if I do say so myself, thing is, I can't seem to find any cougars interested in a 17 y.o. like me. And the last three times a tried a little harder, I got burned, hard. I can take rejection easier now, but it's still painful. And I usually seem to be engaging for women that could be my mother... I know, I know, excuses, but with IQ 120, I think there must be a reason I'm alone, and haven't figured it out yet.

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  2. The last line is the best part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Sent from my iPad"

    1. Re:The last line is the best part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he could write all that long text on an iPad...

  3. A tip. by eepok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The future of the PC is not immediately viewable from the window. One must step out and look around.

  4. Close your eyes and face reality by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    close our eyes and form a realistic picture

    That sounds great!

  5. Re:It's Too Late, Ray: ( +1, Timely ) by eepok · · Score: 1

    Your fiction stinks and your biggest fan is dead. Luckily, he's in a better place now.

    *

  6. Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the love of all that is good, I sincerely hope Ray Ozzie's choice of the term "Connected Companions" was solely so that this message could be interpreted by the buzzword-based PHBs at Microsoft, and not a hint that he wants to turn the next company he goes to into the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

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    1. Re:Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      In cases like this, I'm really glad there's so few elevators where I live.

    2. Re:Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Microsoft version of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation:

      Your plastic paperclip pal who's fun to be with!

  7. Summary anyone? by Godskitchen · · Score: 1

    TFL;DR

    Summary, please?

    1. Re:Summary anyone? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      Amen!

      Speaking of complexity, Ray, when memos get too complex (read: "long-winded"), people tune out and move on. Life's too short.

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    2. Re:Summary anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of complexity, Ray, when memos get too complex (read: "long-winded"), people tune out and move on. Life's too short.

      Speaking of complexity, Ray, when programs get too complex (read: "bloated"), people tune out and move on. Life's too short.

      Of course, I'm talking about his love-child: Lotus Notes.

  8. Connected companions by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    we'll see decades to come of incredible innovation from which will emerge all sorts of "connected companions" that we'll wear, we'll carry, we'll use on our desks & walls and the environment all around us.'"

    As soon as they can mix that companion thing with life-size holographic projections and make them look like anime characters, sales will go through the roof.

    Viewing of "Don't Date a Robot!" required before buying.

    1. Re:Connected companions by Sl4shd0t0rg · · Score: 1

      As soon as they can mix that companion thing with life-size holographic projections and make them look like anime characters, sales will go through the roof.

      Viewing of "Don't Date a Robot!" required before buying.

      I fear their companions will have big yellow smiley faces with horned rimmed glasses and a dog that does searches in the cloud.

  9. Where would we be without Microsoft? by kawabago · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot further ahead! Better computer security, fewer viral plagues, faster software, more open standards, better interoperability, cheaper software and support. Microsoft is just a drain on the economy that we can't afford in this economic climate, just ask the London Stock Exchange.

    1. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'd probably have 2-3 large groups of people trying to determine how to make linux on the desktop succeed... that's where we'd be... oh wait :)

    2. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      Actually I think the market for home computers would be more like the market for game consoles were it not for IBM and Microsoft.

    3. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      A lot further ahead! Better computer security, fewer viral plagues, faster software, more open standards, better interoperability, cheaper software and support.

      "Open standards" and "better interoperability", really? Did you forget what Apple - Microsoft's primary competitor was like in the 80s?

      Ironically, you can thank IBM and MS for providing the platform that made Linux development possible. Even if that was an unintended (and probably undesired, to either of those) side effect.

    4. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by oracleguy01 · · Score: 1

      And why do you think the market would have gone that way? I highly doubt things would have turned out as rosy as you describe.

      If IBM hadn't made a PC that was popular and easy to clone, things would be very different these days. Probably more like the game console market where there is only 3 big companies producing hardware. And the prices on computers might not have fallen as quick without such fierce competition. In the grand scheme of things I would say IBM is much more responsible for the current state of computing than Microsoft. IBM is the reason the majority of personal computers today are all compatible with each other.

      If Microsoft wasn't around, there would have been some other company. You can blame Gary Kildall for Microsoft's dominance, if he hadn't turned IBM away when they came calling for an OS for their PC, Microsoft never would have become so huge. However we don't know what would have happened if IBM had gone with CP/M, maybe Digital Research would have been that other company. Things might be better today or they might be worse, hard to say.

    5. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by straponego · · Score: 1

      Yes. Also, Microsoft's model (and Apple's) relies on deliberately crippling their products-- preventing you from using the tools you buy, purely for profit. This is the active version of artificial scarcity; it's an enforced waste of resources. So it's not just our economy they're making less efficient (which is another way of saying our distribution of resources), it's another layer of waste on top of that. And, now that we are using resources faster than they can be replenished, deliberate waste advances the end of humanity, at least as a technological/industrial species. But what else can they do? Bill and Steve's biggest dick contest must go on!

    6. Re:Where would we be without Microsoft? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      No. It was Netscape and Google that gave the grannies a reason to buy computers.

      It also helped that the underlying computing hardware finally caught up with the bloatware that PC operating systems had turned into by that time.

      IBM just provided one bad design and Microsoft another.

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  10. Whoa, it's like 2000 all over again by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    This would have been great advice 10 years ago, when MSFT might have had a chance to carve out a foothold in device computing, but not now.

    It's like the Zune. An okay product but late to market and no evolution.

    MSFT is what you get when your grandpa runs a tech company.

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    1. Re:Whoa, it's like 2000 all over again by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      They were doing activity based computing with a glimmer of the current environment (no-brainer storage of documents and no filesystem) in 1998. They could've been doing this stuff in 2002 if they were any good.

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  11. Prosumer by tepples · · Score: 2

    Among video game consoles sold in North America, Xbox 360 is the only one that officially allows game development by prosumers. It's not perfect, but it's better than what Sony and Nintendo offer.

    1. Re:Prosumer by countSudoku() · · Score: 0, Troll

      And that's not saying much as Nintendo and Sony are just DRM douchebags looking to lock in the consumer and thwart any thinking outside of their respective, limited, lesser console devices. I've already purchased my last Apple, Nintendo and Sony products for my lifetime. I suggest you all do the same, or suffer the mediocre consequences.

      crApple wanted to charge me $10 for a cut&paste upgrade, fuck that. Nontendo makes it impossible to move my paid for apps from one device to any other device of the same type, fuck them. pSony, like Nontendo and crApple, thwart the home brew scene, and that's the last I'll buy from them. Companies that play those games wont get paid by me. So, go run out and get Diablow 3 when it comes out and love your phone-home, DRMey goodness. You deserve it, paid for it (sort of) and can live with the restrictions without really owning anything. Blizzard owns you and your game experiences.

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    2. Re:Prosumer by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you 12?

      pSony, Nontendo, crApple, Diablow?

      No, scratch that, my kid at 8 is more mature than that.

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    3. Re:Prosumer by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Are you 11? You made an entire comment to cry about snarky intentional misspellings? Thanks for helping make Slashdot grate.

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    4. Re:Prosumer by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, I'm wasting my employer's time. What's your excuse?

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  12. That's a memo? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That "memo" runs more than 3500 words. If that counts as a typical memo over at Microsoft, I think they've got another problem beyond the one Ozzie's term paper discusses.

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    1. Re:That's a memo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Microsoft Memo. You type in a few points you went to get across, and it fills in the rest for you.

  13. New area to dominate by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    In flight chair ballistics

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  14. Ballmer in 10 years.. by skywatcher2501 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steve the plumber!

    1. Re:Ballmer in 10 years.. by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      He has billions, he will just retire. Hopefully retire and go away.

  15. The great fallacy by js3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The great fallacy nowadays is that everything should be designed for the Apple consumer.

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    1. Re:The great fallacy by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      You mean mere mortals?

  16. Similar article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  17. Summary here by tepples · · Score: 1
    A paragraph right in the middle sums it up:

    Instead, to cope with the inherent complexity of a world of devices, a world of websites, and a world of apps & personal data that is spread across myriad devices & websites, a simple conceptual model is taking shape that brings it all together. We’re moving toward a world of 1) cloud-based continuous services that connect us all and do our bidding, and 2) appliance-like connected devices enabling us to interact with those cloud-based services.

    In other words, the use of application service providers (ASPs) and storage service providers on the other side of the Internet will increase, and users will more often access the applications and storage through appliances, or Internet-connected devices designed for accessing ASPs. Applications and storage won't be "on" a device; they'll be on rented space on a server. And more devices, such as elevator controllers and refrigerators, will become Internet-connected appliances with sensors for remote troubleshooting.

    1. Re:Summary here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > inherent complexity of a world of devices

      I want one device that fits in my pocket and another that fits on my desk (Smartphone & Laptop). How many people have more than 10 different devices (expect maybe apple fanboys) which they use daily ?

    2. Re:Summary here by icebraining · · Score: 1

      TV
      Video streaming box
      Music player
      Tablet
      Camera
      Console
      GPS

      9 'till now, and they're reasonably common for someone with money to spend. In a few years, current "dumb" machines will be fully fledged internet-connected devices.

  18. Microsoft Needs to NOT Do That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The PC is here to stay. It'll be with us in one form or another for as long as humans can read and write. Phones and tablets and wristwatches and bellbottoms will come and go, but when you are doing 8 hours of white-collar work, you are sitting at a desk, not sitting in a plane or driving a Ferrari or riding a Segway or skateboarding or whatever. What Microsoft needs to focus on is what has always been their primary source of revenue and what they have always claimed to be focusing on (even though they weren't) which is to produce the best, that is, the highest quality, most reliable, most robust PC operating system available. Make Windows work well and make it so that our parent's computers aren't constantly being turned into botnet zombies. Dominate the PC market with programming and actual work, not with business trickery and monopolistic practices and marketing gambits that punish and alienate your existing userbase.

    Or just entertain us by continuing to lose focus and keep chasing whatever fad a competitor is having some success in at the moment until you sink so far into irrelevance that it doesn't matter anymore.

    1. Re:Microsoft Needs to NOT Do That by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      You might as well be arguing that typewriters are eternal, or ledger books. Just because something is integral to business for generations does not mean that it will occupy that role into infinity. PCs have been the best way to get things done for the last few decades, and they'll still be for another few, but I wager they will cease to be important to most businesses in the developed world by the end of the century at the latest. Honestly I think it will be before 2050.

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    2. Re:Microsoft Needs to NOT Do That by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Until you point out how the shiny new things actually help you get work done, the OPs point stands.

      You snicker about "typewriters" but the is that they still live on in the current PC technology. So do ledgers. HELL, electronic ledgers were the first killer app for the PC.

      The productivity killer app for the new batch of shiny things has yet to show itself.

      As long as the new shiny thing is centered around Apple, it probably won't be either.

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    3. Re:Microsoft Needs to NOT Do That by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Rudimentary neural interfaces exist right now. In two generations that will lead to the deprecation of any interface other than thought itself. Wireless bandwidth is increasing rapidly with ultrawideband wireless on the horizon. In a matter of decades we'll be remotely interfacing by thought with medium strength AIs that will be doing calculations and busywork to spec. That has fuck all to do with "shiny things". It's a matter of a wholesale evolution of methodology as great or greater than the PC revolution or the internet revolution.

      I'm glad people are so focused on the next quarter that they can't connect the dots on all the emerging technologies. Typewriters4evar!

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  19. He can send email backward in time? Amazing... by Heretic2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    To: Executive Staff and direct reports
    Date: October 28, 2010
    From: Ray Ozzie

  20. Courier was cool by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    It was cool. So was Knowledge Navigator. But vapor is vapor, and products people can actually buy are the only tangible indicator of what's important at a company. The fate of Courier shows that advocates of a radical, post-Windows approach lost a big internal fight. Microsoft continues to clearly demonstrate that Windows is their anchor.

    Anchors keep you from getting blown away when a storm comes. They also keep you from moving forward.

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  21. Not so groundbreaking, even within MS by johanatan · · Score: 1

    Umm, isn't this the same thing Bill Gates has been saying for the last decade or more?

    1. Re:Not so groundbreaking, even within MS by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Umm, isn't this the same thing Bill Gates has been saying for the last decade or more?

      If so, it would appear that no-one is listening. Microsoft's money still comes from Windows and Office and pretty much everything else they've done has been a financial failure (and often a technical failure too).

    2. Re:Not so groundbreaking, even within MS by johanatan · · Score: 1

      That may be true. 'Necessity is the mother of invention' though. Up until now, MS has had it easy sitting on these revenue streams. That, however, doesn't mean that they do not see or care about the future (e.g., MS Research invents a *lot* of cool projects).

    3. Re:Not so groundbreaking, even within MS by js3 · · Score: 1

      wrong again. This is a company that year after year makes billion and billions of profit. Predictions of their demise may be true only if they were faltering but their business is clicking along nicely. The issue with microsoft is they are not popular anymore, but it does not mean they are not profitable, or they are not researching. They do a lot of tother things other than building oses.

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  22. Wow!!! He had yesterday's dream! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To bad he missed all the sheep.

  23. State by copponex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As wireless internet access becomes even more robust, the first company that can deliver a solution to keep a user's "state" consistent across all of their devices is going to be the winner. It's a problem that the industry has been working on since the dark days of syncing your contacts up through a USB1 connection to a palm pilot. I imagine it's why Apple is building their enormous data center - they are about to make manual data management a thing of the past. A slick interface could yield some badass results for stepping your data to a network volume if it's unusually large, and then streaming backups during off-peak hours to iBackup or whatever you want to call it. Otherwise, every time you start to edit a doc, the filesystem is intelligently streaming the backup directly to their data center. If your laptop gets nicked, then you log in to your me.com account, destroy the encrypted volume if they connect it to the internet, and grab another laptop and a few hours later you are back up and running.

    Computers are going to disappear - your information will be always available from any device with an internet connection. You'll just have a variety of interfaces to it, from your phone, to your media viewer (iPad) to your netbook (I mean MacBook Air, Steve!) and your desktop. They will all sync intelligently, and store larger, non-streamable information locally on SSD drives. Only video creators will be forced to continue managing physical volumes until 4g goes nationwide and uncapped.

    It's a good idea, and a fucking bummer that Apple is the only company doing it.

    1. Re:State by icebraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's the whole point of ChromeOS (but not limited, it can be used in any OS), combined with Google Docs, Gmail, Google Calendar, Picasa Web (photos and videos) and Google Reader.

      Personally, it's not my cup of tea (I've moved to my email and photo hosting to my home server recently), but saying Apple is the only one pushing for a web based OS is ridiculous.

    2. Re:State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've been doing this myself for years thanks to great applications like openssh, vnc and rsync. Laptops are fairly disposable to me, I just need to keep a desktop PC online which I much prefer to someone else's infrastructure.

    3. Re:State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very insightful. Internet fully becomes a utility.

      I can see this lead to only special purpose devices being available to the consumer. General purpose devices like a PC of today will be illegal. The only way to infiltrate the system would be with direct access to one of the internal nodes and/or illegal devices.

      You think this is tin foil hat? The majority of the world's wealth is at stake, including the general public's, so legislation to combat cyber crime is and will be trivial to push.

    4. Re:State by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      The "dark days" as USB1 to a palm pilot! When I had mine I was happy to have 20kbps RS232 (Palm M100.)

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    5. Re:State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is doing the same, and is one step ahead... you already have google cloud services, what better synchronization than this?

  24. Management, culture or people? by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or all of the above?

    I sometimes wonder if MS senior management isn't full of guys making good money, looking at how much time they have until retirement is a real option and thinking "If we can just string this Windows/PC model along for a couple more years, I'll be set. Retire in my late 50s. Second home (or boat or ....) paid for. Enough savings to live off until 401k money kicks in."

    I can see where it could almost become a cultural mindset, coupled with a financial analysis that says the "real money" comes from Windows, Office, Exchange & SQL. Everything else (phone, tables, hardware, software, etc) is a half-assed feint to keep Wall St. quiet, keep key industry experts locked into long employment contracts and out of the hands of competitors, and occasionally hit the lottery when something sticks to the wall.

    Or is it the actual management model? Keep the Windows/Office core profit engine running, fuck around on the margin and assume you can manipulate the market enough to keep your dominance forever?

    1. Re:Management, culture or people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sir, is genius insight. You may well be correct.

      Those with the ideas can't get near the decision makers, because they've the guys at the top have built their perfect ivory towers. Hungry innovation can't get it's voice heard. And the layer of management near the top is so cowered they simultaneously will not heckle for the top jobs themselves, whilst at the same time fighting the next layer down on behalf of their bosses.

    2. Re:Management, culture or people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or all of the above?

      I sometimes wonder if MS senior management isn't full of guys making good money, looking at how much time they have until retirement is a real option and thinking "If we can just string this Windows/PC model along for a couple more years, I'll be set.

      Funny, the people I used to work with in Poughkeepsie NY had the same attitude. I am sure they know the mainframe's days are numbered. They also know that the number is greater than ten, even after two decades of the press declaring them to be out of fashion.

      Do you seriously believe Microsoft won't be making money hand over fist on Windows for the next three decades? Neurotic bloggers ranting about the design of their phone are not a source of money. Businesses with legacy systems are.

    3. Re:Management, culture or people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That kind of senior management is also at IBM, HP, Oracle, SAP, Intel, etc.... They are out for themselves and do not care about the visionary goals.

    4. Re:Management, culture or people? by winwar · · Score: 1

      Is there any real difference between your alternatives?

      They make most of their money from certain core products that have little or no competition. They have little chance of replacing that revenue stream with any set of new products in any near term time frame (if ever). Anything that would enable them to replace the revenue stream would probably be very risky to their existing products or be the result of something bad that happened to them.

      They are stuck on top of a very mature and profitable revenue stream. Sure, it has its dangers but it is a very nice place to be.

    5. Re:Management, culture or people? by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Judging by the first post above (some idiot longing for the imaginary courier) they can still manipulate the market enough for now...

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  25. Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've already purchased my last Apple, Nintendo and Sony products for my lifetime.

    You'll find a lot of geeks who agree with you, but the majority does not. The majority "can live with the restrictions without really owning anything". And the majority spends more money on products than the geek subculture: less per person but far more people. That's why video games targeted at the majority come out on consoles, not PCs. How should we as geeks try to convince the public that consoles' restrictions aren't worth the loss of an end user's right to do what he wants with what he owns?

    1. Re:Majority != geeks by znerk · · Score: 1

      How should we as geeks try to convince the public that consoles' restrictions aren't worth the loss of an end user's right to do what he wants with what he owns?

      Perhaps by mentioning the current Sony and Blizzard fiascos resulting from draconian DRM and ridiculous corporate policies?

      Or maybe mentioning that one can still install and play StarCraft1 (with or without BroodWar) without any internet connection whatsoever, no activation required, LAN play is available... and if you cheat, you don't get banned from using your own ridiculously expensive purchased product.

      Oh, and the same holds true for Diablo and Diablo II.

      If I pay $60 for a game, I damn well better own it. If you want to rent it out to me, then I'm not paying more than $10. Blizzard has crossed the line, and has lost me (and my family, and my friends) as customers. This is poor behavior on their part, and I refuse to reward it by opening my wallet to them.

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    2. Re:Majority != geeks by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The majority don't see the snake in the grass but they still get bit by it. They don't recognize it for what it is when they do get bit. They just end up with vague non-directed discontent.

      Their experience is still degraded.

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    3. Re:Majority != geeks by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You'd have to convince the majority that they are losing rights that they care about. For your average end user of a video game, they do not want to do anything above and beyond playing the video game. The only people who care about these things are people who want to screw around with what they buy. In my own case, I bought a PS3 simply because I was tired of playing against people who wanted to screw around with (ie: hack) FPS games. Have never used a single aimbot or wall hack in my entire life, and having been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein, I finally got sick of it. Other than being able to cheat a game, what is your average consumer going to care about?

      Piracy comes to mind. Despite how rampant it is, I still think your average American has some morals left and realizes that piracy = stealing. So as much as they want to be able to pirate things, they aren't going to freak out about not being able to do something that they feel like they shouldn't do anyway.

      In the end it comes down to mindset. Most people simply do not care. The geek mindset seems to be the weird one. Geeks want to mess with things and change things and experiment. Everyone else simply buys products based on their advertised uses and never even considers that they might be useful for something else. As long as they "get what they paid for", they're happy.

    4. Re:Majority != geeks by Cheney · · Score: 1

      It's weird in a sense that I could be called a 'pirate'.. If there's a game I want to play, I usually own it on one system or another. The majority being the Xbox, as it's far more difficult to play downloaded games on. The thing is, though, is that I usually buy a game on the Xbox and then download it on the computer. So I've paid for their software, once. I see no reason to have to give them 120 dollars for the same thing over 60. Maybe this means I'm pirate, maybe not?

    5. Re:Majority != geeks by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      How should we as geeks try to convince the public that consoles' restrictions aren't worth the loss of an end user's right to do what he wants with what he owns?

      You can't because for most people it's not.

      The typical person cares primarily about WHAT they get.

      The geek cares primarily about HOW they get it.

    6. Re:Majority != geeks by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Most people don't even consider doing things with their devices. A PC is a console for the Internet, games, music, etc. Rather it is a console for whatever someone else is selling or giving away. They have no interest in it as a general computing device. There was never a desire for such a thing and they've been plagued by the fact that it is (viruses, crashes, etc) and would prefer it had never been more than a console.

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    7. Re:Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 1

      The typical person cares primarily about WHAT they get.

      And if people rely on video game consoles and other appliances, then they are limited in WHAT they get. How should we as geeks try to let the public know what they're missing due to the intervention of the appliances' respective gatekeepers?

    8. Re:Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 1

      A PC is a console for the Internet, games

      So once the geeks have, say, developed a video game, how do they get the end users to hook up a big enough monitor to their PC-is-a-consoles so that they can play it?

    9. Re:Majority != geeks by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      And if people rely on video game consoles and other appliances, then they are limited in WHAT they get.

      Not in any way they really care about.

      How should we as geeks try to let the public know what they're missing due to the intervention of the appliances' respective gatekeepers?

      Tell them. Chances are high - as shown by evidence - they don't care about the same things you do.

    10. Re:Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 1

      And if people rely on video game consoles and other appliances, then they are limited in WHAT they get.

      Not in any way they really care about.

      So how do I start a business in order to get the public to care about a video game that my team has developed?

  26. You Gotta Fight! For Your Right! To Parr-tay! by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows Phone 7 : Too Late to the party ...

    Or perhaps it saw that the party was being held on a Sunday night, knew it had work to go to the next day and decided not to go.

    Meanwhile, Apple (which had a great time and was the life of the party) turned up at work late, badly hungover and looking like death. After failing the drugs test, it was finally let go by the Company, around the (same time that Microsoft was given that promotion) and went into a sad decline, never able to move on from its college partying days and accept that its popularity with the cool college kids didn't mean long term success.

    Err... to be honest, that sounds like there should be a metaphor in there, but on reflection I doubt it. It was just my extrapolation of one colloquial expression to the point of drivel. Sorry folks :-/

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    1. Re:You Gotta Fight! For Your Right! To Parr-tay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... to be honest, that sounds like there should be a metaphor in there, but on reflection I doubt it. It was just my extrapolation of one colloquial expression to the point of drivel. Sorry folks :-/

      Maybe the very lack of metaphor is itself a metaphor for the essential emptiness of the quest for shiny phone toys. Or actually, no it isn't that either.

  27. Not quite by acomj · · Score: 2, Informative

    > they're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their
    > App stores.
    Actually not quite right.

    This would make sense if....
    the app store was launched with the iphone. But it was in fact an afterthought.

    Originally Apple wanted everyone to get "Apps" which were web based (javascript/ html) things online. Developers wanted to write more persistant application that would run without an internet connection, thus one year later the App Store and the SDK.

    Sometimes you make a device and the market shows up.

    1. Re:Not quite by BobMcD · · Score: 0, Troll

      This would make sense if....
      the app store was launched with the iphone. But it was in fact an afterthought.

      An afterthought that completely recreated their entire product line and very organization, including the Mac.

      Didn't say they were always thus, but they certainly are now.

    2. Re:Not quite by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      The difference as I see it is that MS wouldn't build an app store - they'd go with what some faceless VP wanted and screw the pooch - again.

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    3. Re:Not quite by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      FYI, Windows 8 includes an App store.

    4. Re:Not quite by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      And how long has winmo been able to run apps? They're only doing it after apple and steam have been there for years. I still want to see if it's any good.

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  28. Little toy games by tepples · · Score: 1

    XNA Creators Club is not suitable for making anything beyond little toy games is my understanding.

    Define "little toy games". I certainly haven't drunk the proverbial Kool-Aid about XNA, but can you think of any significant limitations other than what I already list on my page?

    At that point you might as well make an Android or iPhone app and get yourself a much larger customer base.

    Android and iPhone are counterparts to the DS/PSP/DSi/3DS, not a set-top multiplayer gaming device like 360/PS3/Wii that just needs extra gamepads. On a smartphone, four players mean four $70/mo voice and data plans. The last time I checked, a "family plan" at a U.S. cell phone carrier covered one smartphone and one to three "feature phones". Android has no counterpart to iPod touch: a model with the same app store but no cellular radio. And with the apparent discontinuation of Windows Mobile Classic and the commercial failure of both Zune and Kin, it doesn't appear that Microsoft will have anything to show in this arena either.

    1. Re:Little toy games by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      So you agree there are significant limitations?

      There is an "android touch" samsung makes it.

      I have two smartphones on a family plan with verizon, runs about $130month.

    2. Re:Little toy games by znerk · · Score: 1

      Android and iPhone are counterparts to the DS/PSP/DSi/3DS, not a set-top multiplayer gaming device like 360/PS3/Wii that just needs extra gamepads.

      Why not?

      I'm still waiting for someone to grow a clue and make the EVO 4G into a truly awe-inspiring presentation device/mini-computer. It has Bluetooth, WiFi, and an HDMI port. Why aren't we plugging it into a TV, using a wireless keyboard and mouse (or gamepads, for that matter), and using it as a full-blown computer that happens to fit in my pocket and make phone calls?

      Didn't any of you other geeks out there play Shadowrun and Cyberpunk?

      Hello Cyberdecks!

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  29. The Real Question . . . by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    What are those wires coming out of the back of his head?

  30. Say It Enough And It Will Come True... by tunapez · · Score: 1

    Gadgets are gadgets. Gadgets may resemble tools but tools are specifically designed for their purpose(s).
    Nothing will replace a workstation's keyboard, local storage and large displays for professionals, they may be plugged into a smaller case/form-factor but it will still need a functional environment, applications for tasks and data back-ups. MS is driving hard to sign-up the masses for streaming services in the "cloud" so they can sell dumb(er) products and meter all the utility however they deem fit(fit=profitable). Reality is vapor and finger-pointing is what you get when services and connections are disrupted or storage crashes with no recovery. I'd prefer to put my head in a lion's mouth than to put my data in MS's, or anyone else's, "cloud".

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    1. Re:Say It Enough And It Will Come True... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You bring up some good points about the cloud for personal use, but what about team work? Right now I'm working at a place that might be considered a mini-cloud. We have 25TB of data spread between SQL and the file system. It is accessed via a web app and our clients are Fortune 50 companies with offices spread across the globe. We have redundancy up the wazoo, from geographically dispersed SANs and clusters, load balanced and redundant web servers, even going all the way down to the individual racks we have dual paths for network and SAN connectivity, and PDUs that fail over in the event that one of the transformers goes down. Globalized collaboration is the future. Online data storage is a necessary evil due to the dispersed nature of today's workforce. Costs keep coming down. Even an entry level Sonicwall firewall can support failover. Is $400 a month really too much to spend and two reliable internet lines?

      I've been doing IT for almost fifteen years. I started in the SMB segment and I've worked my way up. The world is moving toward the cloud, be it private or public. Your average small business can't justify hosting it all in house. Most people see hosted email as a no brainer. Hosted LOB apps are the next piece of the puzzle. Microsoft is working on hosted Office. Google has Docs. The time is coming where your average office will have a router and some sort of local NAS setup to cache important files in the event that the hosting provider gets nuked. All of the heavy lifting and processing will be done by the hosting provider. The real bottle neck at this point is the applications. Most apps have been developed based on the belief that they will be running on a 100MB or 1000MB LAN.

    2. Re:Say It Enough And It Will Come True... by tunapez · · Score: 1

      Of course, a multi-national(smb, non-profit, myself, et al) is going to need remote services for their traveling interests. Luckily, thanks to PCs, there's a lot of people like you and me, not infallible but accountable and knowledgeable(1st hand), working in-house and sharing the same goals and interest of our employer, the L-T welfare and functionality of your group/org/biz. If the PC is relegated out of circulation to be replaced with dumb terminals we'll be a world of iPhone/Android users happy to get whatever is offered with a (relatively) small handful of "elite" technologists who provide only sanctioned content locked down into neatly priced packages that you can rent or forgo(until it's Guv mandated).

      My point of contention is the farming out of responsibility/control to (un)trusted 3rd party vendors. The BS proprietary formats, their "no export/lock-down/trap" customer retention models, boisterous claims followed by silence and errors/limited functionality... if they're not shisters and snake oil salesmen then they're corps with hollow promises and LT contracts. I don't host my own email, either, but I do store it locally and retain the right to take it elsewhere whenever I so choose...no lock-down contract, no proprietary formats and plenty of competitive options. I know full well my host will not consider anyone's welfare but their own in an emergency(Priority 1: damage control). To run your business on someone else's terms and hand them control of your data/services is an inevitable Fail, imo.

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  31. How many gadgets by tepples · · Score: 1

    How many people have more than 10 different devices (expect maybe apple fanboys) which they use daily ?

    PC, cell phone, home phone, TV, DVD player or game console, cable box, home stereo, car stereo, car engine, refrigerator, microwave oven, coffee maker, home lighting, home climate control, home security, now how many gadgets am I up to? The point of the memo is that more and more of these devices will become Internet-connected. It mentions "telemetry", which I take to mean that a device can, for example, report to you when it is malfunctioning.

    1. Re:How many gadgets by znerk · · Score: 1

      PC, cell phone, home phone, TV, DVD player or game console, cable box, home stereo, car stereo, car engine, refrigerator, microwave oven, coffee maker, home lighting, home climate control, home security, now how many gadgets am I up to?

      PC - PC
      Cell Phone - Cell Phone
      Phone - Cell Phone
      TV - PC
      DVD Player - PC
      Game Console - PC
      Cable Box - PC
      Home Stereo - PC
      Car Stereo - Car
      Car Engine - Car
      Refrigerator - Refrigerator
      Microwave Oven - Microwave Oven
      Coffee Maker - Coffee Maker
      Home Lighting - SmartHome
      Climate Control - SmartHome
      Security - Smarthome

      7.

      General-purpose computing devices (PCs) are able to do most of those things, and with linux and free (beer or speech) software available, can and are doing so.
      If everyone in your house has a cell phone, why does your house need its own line?

      As for the car... well, it already has a computer in it, and there are current production models that have mp3 players and cellphones built-in; not to mention the seat-back and ceiling-mounted DVD players... you can practically consider a car (or at least minivan) to be a mobile home, at this point.

      None of my kitchen appliances are internet-connected at the moment, and to be honest, I don't care.
      If they're going to be on any network, I'd just as soon tie them into a PC running linux, thus creating an easy method of controlling them all from one location...
      Imagine having to tell your refrigerator that you bought milk, using a tiny keypad on the front of it... no thanks.
      The coffeemaker's tiny keypad is usable for setting the coffee to start brewing before I'm conscious enough to be able to fumble through the process, but I do that when I'm awake. Add a water source and a grounds hopper to the thing, maybe an ethernet port, and voila, you have... a fancy coffee maker. Might be faster, easier, or more economical, but what it all boils down to is that it makes coffee. I don't need to access it from outside the house 99% of the time, and if I'm already outside the house, there's plenty of other places to get a cup o' joe.
      The microwave already has a keypad, but it doesn't make sense to connect it to a network unless and until the refrigerator has a method of putting food from itself into the little box for making hot. At that point, we can just have the same robot push the buttons on the microwave, and it *still* doesn't need internet connectivity.

      A "Smarthome" really boils down to having Cat5 jacks in every room, and having multiple electronic devices plugged into the network, controlled from a single location (or via remote). Again, I'm thinking PC server and smartphone as remote, here. These things already exist.

      The point of the memo is that more and more of these devices will become Internet-connected.

      Most of those devices already are. Yes, they may become more integrated, but you're going out on a limb and hacking at the trunk below you if you're trying to tell us that this is some kind of breaking news... or even important.

      Unless you have more money than you know what to do with, I'm willing to bet it's going to be at least a decade before anything on that list other than the "entertainment" devices (which a includes the car and cell phone, of course) is internet connected in your home, or anyone else's.

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  32. How does... by sracer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the reality of the Kin fit in with your fantasy view of Microsoft?

    1. Re:How does... by LinuxAndLube · · Score: 1

      Trying to innovate necessarily implies failing a lot. The Kin failed, but at least they tried something different. Windows Phone 7 is different too. Will it fail? Maybe. We'll see.

  33. To take a Fark favorite by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "LOL WUT?" The smartphone market has run its course? You are kidding, right? Smart phones are going to continue to sell strong as ever. While they may not grow a ton, people have to stop pretending like growth is all that matters. It smacks of wet behind the ears stock investors who have no sense of scale or history.

    Smart phones are going to be a huge market until, well, someone figures out something to replace the phone. I haven't even heard of any ideas along those lines much less products. So I think it is safe to say the market has decades, or more, of life.

    Also you might notice that in terms of OS the battle has not been won, nor may it ever be won. Symbian didn't win (it was by far the largest), BlackBerry OS didn't win, iOS hasn't won, Android hasn't won. The fight is on going, and it may well go on forever. Given the locked down nature of phones and carriers, there may not be the push for a single platform like there was with PCs. There people wanted software portability, but you don't get that on phones anyhow.

    Also you might note that MS is and was in the mobile market. Windows CE smart phones have been around for a long time and while not huge weren't trivial either. This is a (needed) revamp/update, not a new entrance in to a market.

    1. Re:To take a Fark favorite by sempir · · Score: 1

      Somehow in my vague understanding of how the "Phone market" is operating I see a comparison with the automobile market.......there is a make and model for every need and bank a/c.

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  34. Microsoft really needs to hear this by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    As a older post stated, Microsoft didn't give a crap about Windows Mobile 6 and prior. It would have taken a skeleton crew of developers and support guys to keep that platform on the forefront, but they didn't even want to do that. Probably because they thought their only competition was Palm 4-5, so once that "demon" was vanquished, they went about ignoring it. But, this time they've got competition on a whole lot of fronts. The days of simply making a press release saying you're doing the same thing as a competitor and killing off a competitor's project are over.

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  35. What reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's habit of naming everything iWhatever?

    A good marketing reason, to be sure - but it has no technical merit or logic behind it.

  36. Can anyone at MS write in English? by eikonos · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I haven't finished reading Ray Ozzie's memo yet, but it's written in the same sort of tortured English I've seen from a lot of people at Microsoft. I don't know why they can't write clearly, or why they need to include the word "innovation" so many times, but I suspect it reflects the corporate culture. One particular sentence jumped out at me. This sentence includes the word "innovation" and is full of big words, and yet nearly empty of meaning.

    "We’ve seen agile innovation playing out before a backdrop in which many dramatic changes have occurred across all aspects of our industry’s core infrastructure."

    It's a boring sentence trapped in a boring, verbose memo, so I found it a new home in a Philip K Dick story:

    "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. I watched agile innovation playing out before a backdrop in which many dramatic changes have occurred. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. [pause] Time to die."

    1. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      It's a boring sentence trapped in a boring, verbose memo, so I found it a new home in a Philip K Dick story:

      The movie was based on a Dick story, but that line was only in the screenplay (and modified by Rutger Hauer during filming)...

      As to the corporate speak.. yeah, that's part of corporate culture. You have to remember that the people in the meetings are not always very well edu-macated. I remember attending meetings at UPS. Most of the managers were promoted through the ranks and started as truck drivers. Many had only a high school education. Many still spoke like dock workers (which is where they may have entered the company).

      I was representing the TSG (Technology Support Group) and still remember a wonderful "discussion" that went something like this:
      "The pre-load crew wants to know what time we're starting on Monday" (Monday being the first day of the Peak season, which was typically the day after Thanksgiving break).

      "Fuck 'em. They'll come in we tell them."

      "Well, yeah, but we need to let them know when to come in."

      "Fuck you. You don't have a fucking clue."

      And this was just a normal meeting.

      Corporate speak reminds me of listening to some Jamaicans (and yes, I'm Jamaican and maybe as guilty). In Jamaica much of the population did not have formal education beyond the equivalent to 8th grade. But you know, the less you know, the more you think you know. It was always entertaining to hear some of the less educated ones using and mis-using words.

      "We're going to creativate new jobs by learning the children about technological progress in the classroom. We are going to learn them about the computer and the CRT and the hard drive and the programming. We are going to elevate their understanding and invigorate the learning. So Mr. Accountant with his calculator and his writing implements and accounting books, I as a man and as a computer operator -- yes, computer operator -- demand that these funds and moneys go to the Kingston school district."

      No, really, this was really what I heard... Corporate speak sounds the same to me....

    2. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to bet that thousands of voices inside Microsoft cried out "Bingo!" in unison and then fell suddenly silent. Painfully awaiting the announcement of who would become the next Buzzword Bingo champion.

    3. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I think the point is we wish the salesfolk would improve their english skills instead of expecting us to use their doubleplusungood newspeak, ebonics or whatever in hades it is.

    4. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by eples · · Score: 1

      It's a boring sentence trapped in a boring, verbose memo

      He's being intentionally vague - not naming products or companies.

      If I had to guess, he's probably referring to the fact of how quickly both Linux and OSX matured on the Intel platform while Microsoft moved so slowly it might as well have been standing still.

      In the mid-nineties Microsoft wanted to deliver big on the Internet - do you think they did?

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    5. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by blarkon · · Score: 1

      This line wasn't written by PKD.

    6. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by ledow · · Score: 1

      I actually got bored around the second page because it wasn't at all what the submission makes it out to be. It's corporate fluff of the highest order and I lost interest in anything and everything the guy has to say from a point about two pages in (where they start talking about connected devices).

      Firstly, I find it annoying that this is a "memo" (memorandum, which means something to replace/improve the memory and usually means only a short notice or reminder, not a huge diatribe like that hideous work linked to above), the same way that the first line references his other 8-9 pages of earlier "memo". Call it a bloody article, or opinion and have done with it. Just because the business world uses the word "memo" doesn't mean you can just use it out of context, or arbitrarily apply it in the hopes that such an essay might seem shorter, or you seem more intelligent or business-like.

      The best writers in the world are concise. (I'm not one of them, by the way). The more you waffle, the more I have to look to find the actual hidden meaning and why you've veered off into such monologues and my guess here would be "I'm pretending to be resigning harshly but pretty please don't be mad at me in case I want to come back later".

      When I write a resignation letter, it's basically the legal minimum required unless I am genuinely sorry to move on. I have no qualms about burning bridges because if it's got to the point that I want to resign, there's nothing more you can do to me and I *already* don't want to work with you or people like you, so if you spread the word to your friends that works in my favour. If the company changes, or the horrible people leave, I might be back and the company change is my explanation for the changing of my mind. But if the company still sucks, shame... I will just resign and have done with it. I told a former employer in no uncertain terms that I was resigning because I didn't trust that he could give what he was promising me (trying to make the job I had with him sound like it had a future) while we were discussing my resignation - he spoke this sort of bullshit and I could read between the lines. He actually tried to bad-mouth my new employer without even knowing them. Two years later, he didn't keep any of his promises to anyone who continued working there. It was virtually a "you'll never work in this town again" argument from him, and my basic reply was "Good, if working in this town means working with people like you." (My references from that place, however, were perfect - because my work was infallible - and I've never been out of work for even a day since I started out from uni).

      Secondly, the corporate gobbledegook in the "memo" is extremely off-putting, especially when prefixed with PAGES of sucking up. There are entire sentences in there that convey no useful information at all. There are paragraphs that say something you could say in two to three WORDS. That sort of verbosity makes myself and others extremely suspicious because, underneath it all, I get the impression that he's not trying to say what he wants you to *think* he's saying.

      It's like when a manager gathers all the staff, hands out a new 50-page contract with dubious wording, gives an enormously verbose speech about how fabulously everyone is doing and how the corporate culture will expand and move forward and how excited they are about the future. You must think people are stupid if they aren't already thinking "Yeah, so how many people are being sacked and / or when is the company going to announce bankruptcy?"

      If you can't find every word you've used in the version of the OED (or whatever equivalent dictionary for your country) that you had at school, you're bullshitting, fluffing and talking nonsense. ("intrapreneurial" - Urk... where's my vomit bucket?). It means that there *isn't* a suitable word for what you want to say, you don't know what you're trying to say, or that you're avoiding all the words because they actually convey your meaning too well. I don't thi

    7. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by HigH5 · · Score: 1

      No, MS Word prevents them that.

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    8. Re:Can anyone at MS write in English? by eikonos · · Score: 1

      There are entire sentences in there that convey no useful information at all. There are paragraphs that say something you could say in two to three WORDS. That sort of verbosity makes myself and others extremely suspicious because, underneath it all, I get the impression that he's not trying to say what he wants you to *think* he's saying.

      I completely agree. Ozzie is smart enough to say what he means, so the fact that he rambled and prevaricated means he wanted to disguise what he really thinks. I don't code for Windows anymore, but I still read Raymond Chen's blog, The Old New Thing, where he documents why certain design decisions were made as well as what he calls "microspeak" (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/tags/microspeak/), which is a buzzword-lingo used internally at Microsoft. Perhaps some of the microspeak examples he documents are useful new terms, but a lot of them seem like euphemisms to me.

      It confirms my own internal prejudice, though... companies with cultures where talking like that is acceptable have zero morals, screw people over quite often and are extraordinarily elitest. They also usually waste millions producing sub-standard products.

      I agree with this too. If you can't speak honestly, there's a reason for it and it can't be good.

  37. The Zune deserved better? by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    I would argue that if it actually deserved better, it would have received better from the market. While I'm not a free-market purist, I find it hard to blame the Zune's sales record on anything other than the Zune.

  38. P.P.S by bonch · · Score: 0

    P.P.S The point of the iPhone isn't iTunes. Apple barely makes any money from the iTunes stores. They are not an iTunes company; they are a hardware company.

    1. Re:P.P.S by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Apple barely makes any money from the iTunes stores.

      Didn't you get the memo from the haters? Apple is literally! RAPING developers by charging them 30% at the app-store. Literally.

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    2. Re:P.P.S by romanval · · Score: 1

      Actually, 30% isn't too bad once you figure out what you figure out your app's non-development costs. Things like marketing/advertising/promotion/hosting will surely cost more 30% if you had to do it completely on your own. It would be nearly impossible to price apps at a few dollars under that scenario.

    3. Re:P.P.S by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Didn't you get the memo from the haters? Apple is literally! RAPING developers by charging them 30% at the app-store. Literally.

      If you think 30% is high, I don't think you've been in the marketplace. I've seen most contracts start at 45% plus fees like credit card fees. 30% is generous. Of course you can set up your own business, your own website, your own payment systems, etc. But then you have to administer all that. Your time or your staff's time and costs quickly bring up the total cost. Or you could pay Apple their 30%. More time or more freedom, that's your choice.

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  39. Complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complexity kills. Complexity sucks the life out of users, developers and IT. Complexity makes products difficult to plan, build, test and use.

    Complexity is what builds this "rich experience" that we so often hear about. Complexity is beautiful, and adaptive. It's only when we try to control complexity inappropriately that trouble begins. That's why open standards are so necessary. Each little widget can do it's own little part and be part of a complex, dynamic and stable mechanism.

  40. NASDAQ MDDS works, & LSE's INFOLECT doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A lot further ahead! Better computer security, fewer viral plagues, faster software, more open standards, better interoperability, cheaper software and support." - by kawabago (551139) on Monday October 25, @04:51PM (#34017484)

    LMAO, wtf? Are you stoned?? Do you think that Linux is "immune" to malwares &/or other forms of attack?? Take a peek @ Linux variants such as Android which is ALREADY under attack. Take a look at the gall Apple had in their PC vs. Mac Commercials, trying to make it sound as if "Mac's can't be attacked by viruses & the like"... which is, of course, COMPLETE BULLSHIT and the attacks on MacOS X began to increase the larger the market share it gained.

    Facts, are facts.

    The ONLY reason Windows is SO attacked is simple: MORE FOLKS USE IT (95% of the world's PC's &/or Servers use it approximately, if not more over time, right?)! Criminals on PC's are just like criminals in the real world. Let's use pickpockets - they don't go to where just 1 person is, they attack THE CROWD because more pickings are possible where "the masses" are (just like how pickpockets tend to operate in street crowds, subways, bus or train stations, etc.).

    Security by obscurity is *NIX variants' best pal, for now... & yes, I am a user of Linux myself (& have been since 1994 in fact, & up into the turn of the centuries, & moreso even now lately (KUbuntu 10.10 user in 64-bit) but I won't try to b.s. people here reading either with what I call "Pro-*NIX 'FUD' & disinformation/misinformation spreading bullshit!

    I mean, are you trying to tell us for instance, that Linux is "IMMUNE TO JAVASCRIPT ATTACKS"? Most of the attacks out there today come not from the OS itself (lol, though Linux DID have a major security hole in it last week -> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/205867/linux_kernel_exploit_gives_hackers_a_back_door.html?tk=hp_new), but via webbrowsers &/or HTML email programs that use JAVASCRIPT!

    Anyone can see SECUNIA.COM &/or SecurityFocus.com in fact on that note...

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    "Microsoft is just a drain on the economy that we can't afford in this economic climate, just ask the London Stock Exchange." - by kawabago (551139) on Monday October 25, @04:51PM (#34017484)

    Both NASDAQ & LSE used Windows for the systems of trade data dissemination. LSE couldn't get their accenture implementation to stay afloat... funny, but NASDAQ did. It's still using MDDS (based on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003) to run their official trade data dissemination system @ NASDAQ.

    The failure of Accenture & LSE is not MS, because the same type of system is working at NASDAQ... no, the failure lies with the system architects, coders, & networking maintenance crew + DBA's imo, rather.

    APK

    P.S.=> Whoever "modded you up" is quite clearly, a dolt... They'd have to be, since they're clearly NOT aware of the things I just wrote vs. your "information'... apk

  41. Sadly Obvious by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 1

    What he's saying about all these devices about to happen probably rings true for most /. readers, including me. The problem is that visionaries have been saying it for years. Legal chafing between content providers, carriers, patent holders. et. al. has slowed the roll-out of super-toys to a crawl. He who can predict how fast the lawyers will move is the true visionary.

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  42. Buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ray, Thanks for all you have done to destroy a once great company! Your final payment is available at dead drop A12. Steve

  43. XNA limitations; Galaxy Player 50 by tepples · · Score: 1

    So you agree there are significant limitations?

    Some other Slashdot users appear convinced that a developer should just accept the limitations of XNA, design games around them exclusively for XNA on Windows and Xbox 360, and hopefully use those games to build "game industry experience", one of the two pieces that the console makers require before a developer becomes eligible to buy the real devkit. (The other piece is a dedicated office.) But with your "little toy games" comment, I thought you had some different limitations in mind that were even more severe than those described on my page, to the point where one couldn't even make games comparable to those on the Super NES.

    There is an "android touch" samsung makes it.

    I wasn't aware of Samsung Galaxy Player 50 until I just searched Google to find out what you're talking about. The anythingbutipod.com story is less than a week old. This article states that it appears to have Android Market and other Google apps ordinarily seen only on phones. But with "no word on a US release yet", how much will the customs duty for a gray-market import run? And will a unit built for the European Union be able to access the Market from an IPv4 address that geolocates to the United States?

    I have two smartphones on a family plan with verizon, runs about $130month.

    Your plan at $65 per handset per month is still not low enough to convince a mom to buy four smartphones instead of a land line and four Nintendo DSi systems.

    1. Re:XNA limitations; Galaxy Player 50 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I totally agree on all points and was not aware the samsung galaxy on-phone was EU only.

  44. $1679.76 by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for someone to grow a clue and make the EVO 4G into a truly awe-inspiring presentation device/mini-computer.

    And I'm still waiting for Google to grow a clue and let HTC and other manufacturers put the Google apps on a cheaper version without a cellular radio, so that I don't need to pay $1679.76 over the course of a 24-month service commitment. That's how much Sprint.com just quoted me for the cheapest service plan that works with the EVO 4G.

    Why aren't we plugging it into a TV

    You can't plug HDMI into a standard-definition television. That's one of the advantages of consoles over PCs for cash-strapped gamers: you get SDTV output as a standard feature.

    using a wireless keyboard and mouse (or gamepads, for that matter)

    Operating systems tend not to support more than one distinct keyboard and mouse, and Bluetooth gamepads are still about twice as expensive as USB gamepads.

    1. Re:$1679.76 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You can't plug HDMI into a standard-definition television. That's one of the advantages of consoles over PCs for cash-strapped gamers: you get SDTV output as a standard feature.

      Can't use that as a monitor anyway.

      Operating systems tend not to support more than one distinct keyboard and mouse, and Bluetooth gamepads are still about twice as expensive as USB gamepads.

      Linux running gnome seems fine with it. I have never tried it, but thought windows did too. I know my Droid running CM6 is fine with an external mouse. What OS does not support multiple pointers or keyboards?

    2. Re:$1679.76 by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      They all support multiple keyboards and mice. Have for decades. Ask any left-handed person who has plugged a second mouse in to mess with people's heads when they complain it's "on the wrong side":-)

      "Every time I click, I get a popup menu. Your mouse is broken!"

      Then don't touch my mouse ..."

    3. Re:$1679.76 by tepples · · Score: 1

      Operating systems tend not to support more than one distinct keyboard and mouse

      What OS does not support multiple pointers or keyboards?

      They all support multiple keyboards and mice. Have for decades.

      By "distinct", I meant in a sense that application can tell from which device a keypress, click, or movement event came. For example, in a shooting range game, did player 1 click her primary mouse button to fire her weapon, or did player 2 click his? DirectInput on Windows combines all connected keyboards' keypresses into one virtual keyboard device and all connected mice's movements and button presses into one virtual mouse device.

    4. Re:$1679.76 by znerk · · Score: 1

      By "distinct", I meant in a sense that application can tell from which device a keypress, click, or movement event came. For example, in a shooting range game, did player 1 click her primary mouse button to fire her weapon, or did player 2 click his? DirectInput on Windows combines all connected keyboards' keypresses into one virtual keyboard device and all connected mice's movements and button presses into one virtual mouse device.

      On linux, however, you can get distinct inputs from distinct input devices; else things like multi-head wouldn't work.

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    5. Re:$1679.76 by znerk · · Score: 1

      And I'm still waiting for Google to grow a clue and let HTC and other manufacturers put the Google apps on a cheaper version without a cellular radio, so that I don't need to pay $1679.76 over the course of a 24-month service commitment. That's how much Sprint.com just quoted me for the cheapest service plan that works with the EVO 4G.

      Have you considered buying the phone outright, with no contract? It looks like you can do that for less than a third of the price you quoted.

      There are many options for getting service on it once you've purchased it, including no service at all... Perhaps skype over wifi?

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    6. Re:$1679.76 by znerk · · Score: 1

      You can't plug HDMI into a standard-definition television. That's one of the advantages of consoles over PCs for cash-strapped gamers: you get SDTV output as a standard feature.

      Have you seen any "standard-definition televisions" in BestBuy lately?

      Have you seen any recent (in the last year or so) display device that didn't accept HDMI as an input?

      Just checking...

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    7. Re:$1679.76 by tepples · · Score: 1

      Have you seen any "standard-definition televisions" in BestBuy lately?

      No, but I've seen them in homes, still in use in good working condition, and I've seen them in thrift stores.

    8. Re:$1679.76 by tepples · · Score: 1

      Have you considered buying the phone outright, with no contract?

      The linked page states that an EVO 4G costs $550 without a contract. If this is accurate, how can Apple make a profit selling iPod touch 4 for $230? Does the cellular radio really cost $320?

      There are many options for getting service on it once you've purchased it

      As I understand it, CDMA2000+WiMAX phones work only with the carrier from which they were purchased. Does Sprint offer a $20/month discount for buying the phone up front like T-Mobile does?

  45. WinMo, Zune, etc by mkw87 · · Score: 1

    I used to own a Motorola Q running Windows Mobile. The phone was great, and at the time was quite a step forward for cell phones. Now, I've got an android based phone, and while I think android is great and intend to support it, I see Microsoft being able to take a lot of customers from android in the corporate world. Blackberries have a good foot hold, but since MS owns and wants to support exchange, they can make Windows Mobile phones easier to interact with exchange whereas google makes it difficult because they want you to migrate to their system. Summary - Windows mobile is not bad, and stands a good chance at being a serious competitor. I also agree the Zune wasn't the success it should have been just because of who was backing it likely.

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  46. Think beyond the PC. by Chas · · Score: 1

    Yup. Because the PC is dying man! It's been dying for THIRTY FUCKING YEARS NOW! You'd think it'd have the good grace to have kicked off long ago and made way for a more compact, less powerful, less configurable, less open, complete cluster-fuck of a platform like smart phones or something. You know, something that can be locked down against their own users. Something you can charge through the nose and out the ass for development tools and support for.

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    1. Re:Think beyond the PC. by bamwham · · Score: 1

      Yup. Because the PC is dying man! It's been dying for THIRTY FUCKING YEARS NOW! You'd think it'd have the good grace to have kicked off long ago and made way for a more compact, less powerful, less configurable, less open, complete cluster-fuck of a platform like smart phones or something. You know, something that can be locked down against their own users. Something you can charge through the nose and out the ass for development tools and support for.

      Right. I mean I might spend $100-400 of my money on a phone or laptop type device or two (and another for the wife) and our family will likely own at most one tv-type device and one gaming device for a combined total of at most $800. I buy the devices and I use them for 15 years or until they break whichever comes first. But when I ask my company to plunk down a $3000 chunk of change every 4-5 years for a work machine it will be a pc. I don't see this fact changing in my lifetime. Maybe I'm just not seeing the light...

  47. Promoting prosumption by tepples · · Score: 1

    Have never used a single aimbot or wall hack in my entire life, and having been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein, I finally got sick of it

    Did you mean Wolfenstein or Wolfenstein 3D?

    Other than being able to cheat a game, what is your average consumer going to care about?

    Making and sharing mods. Apart from RPG Maker 2, LittleBigPlanet, and WarioWare DIY, console games tend not to have the extensive modding tools needed to turn one game into another. For example, I should be able to turn a shooter into a football sim by changing object behaviors. And I find that in every medium but video games, plenty of consumers find themselves turning into prosumers, or consumers who also produce. Complete this analogy: Basic cable television is to YouTube as major label video games are to what?

    1. Re:Promoting prosumption by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You're already way out on the fringe for wanting to mod the games. I agree with you and I know where you are coming from, but you have to realize that we are on the fringes. For everyone who wants to make their own maps, there are hundreds if not thousands of other players who simply want new maps and expect that someone else will create those maps for them. Those people will never care that they can't mod the game because they don't want to. That is the point I was trying to make. Most people can't have their minds changed or be made to care about truly "owning" their hardware because they have zero inclination to do anything with it.

  48. Please don't infect my EV onboard computer by Mike+Zilva · · Score: 1

    They should not be allowed to use more than 640Kb of RAM.

  49. Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor by tepples · · Score: 1

    Cell Phone - Cell Phone
    Phone - Cell Phone
    If everyone in your house has a cell phone, why does your house need its own line?

    Because kids can't afford a cell phone bill. Would you propose buying a phone and a plan for a single-digit-year-old child? Or are you of the opinion that any child old enough to be left alone deserves a phone on a parent's family plan?

    TV - PC
    DVD Player - PC

    A 19" monitor doesn't work well for several people to sit around in the living room, and most people aren't geek enough to pull HDMI through the wall from the PC room to the living room. Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor.

    Game Console - PC

    People buy separate appliances to play specific games or even entire genres that are exclusive to those appliances. For example, what's the closest PC counterpart to Jak/Sly/Ratchet/Crash, Metal Gear Solid, Smash Bros., Mario Party, or Animal Crossing?

    Cable Box - PC
    [...]
    General-purpose computing devices (PCs) are able to do most of those things, and with linux and free (beer or speech) software available, can and are doing so.

    How? This article claims that CableCARD OCUR doesn't support any operating systems for general-purpose personal computers other than some editions of Windows. Besides, what do you do when you want to watch TV while your daughter is typing up her homework?

    Home Stereo - PC

    True if you're listening in the PC room. But what about another member of the household listening to something else in the living room?

    Car Stereo - Car
    Car Engine - Car

    The stereo might run on the same computer as the navigation, but the engine runs on an independent computer systems for safety reasons. Therefore, a car counts as two devices, each with its own telemetry.

    Home Lighting - SmartHome
    Climate Control - SmartHome
    Security - Smarthome

    Granted, a smart home might present a single proxy for all kitchen appliances that need to report status to outside. But one point of the article is that they will become able to report such status.

    1. Re:Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor by znerk · · Score: 1

      Because kids can't afford a cell phone bill. Would you propose buying a phone and a plan for a single-digit-year-old child? Or are you of the opinion that any child old enough to be left alone deserves a phone on a parent's family plan?

      At $10 a month added onto my family plan, sure, why not? If you can use the child as justification to add a $30/month land line to your house, I can easily justify $10/month for them to have a phone that will always be with them.

      A 19" monitor doesn't work well for several people to sit around in the living room, and most people aren't geek enough to pull HDMI through the wall from the PC room to the living room. Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor.

      We have a 40" LCD TV in the living room, attached to a PC (along with a 5.1 surround sound speaker set I picked up on sale at wally world for around $45, if I recall correctly).

      Besides, what do you do when you want to watch TV while your daughter is typing up her homework?

      Well, since she's on her PC and I'm on the media center, I don't see a conflict.

      CableCARD OCUR doesn't support any operating systems for general-purpose personal computers other than some editions of Windows

      World of Warcraft doesn't have a Linux version, either... nor does Steam, Counterstrike, Call of Duty 4, the Sims 3... I suppose you're implying that software being written for the "wrong" operating system means it can't possibly run on a different OS? WineHQ appears to tell a different story...

      Home Stereo - PC

      True if you're listening in the PC room. But what about another member of the household listening to something else in the living room?

      We each have our own PCs, headphones work just fine, so does the wifi. My living room has 5 PCs, not counting the 2 laptops; with only 3 people living in the house, there's no shortage of systems.

      The stereo might run on the same computer as the navigation, but the engine runs on an independent computer systems [sic] for safety reasons.
      Therefore, a car counts as two devices, each with its own telemetry.

      No, it doesn't. My friend replaced his factory radio without checking the vehicle's specs first, and it refused to start without it. Replacing the original factory radio resolved the issue. He ended up doing some major modifications to the car's dash in order to use the new head unit.
      Let's also completely ignore that a "gaming" PC would count as potentially 6+ "devices", if you insist on this point.

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    2. Re:Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The PC counterpart to Metal Gear Solid is Metal Gear Solid.

    3. Re:Appliances have a higher wife acceptance factor by tepples · · Score: 1

      The PC counterpart to Metal Gear Solid is Metal Gear Solid.

      Thank you for pointing out that the first two MGS games were ported to PC. But when does Snake Eater or Guns of the Patriots come out for PC? Next century?

  50. Re:Can anyone at MSFT write in English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, using your logic, one must grow up in order to speak and write like an imbecile. That's not sound reasoning. In addition, the type of correspondence should have no bearing on writing effectively without polluting the text with buzzwords and awkward sentences.
    Takk.

  51. It's Google you should worry about by dachshund · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computers are going to disappear - your information will be always available from any device with an internet connection ... It's a good idea, and a fucking bummer that Apple is the only company doing it.

    I absolutely agree with most of what you say here -- the company that does transparent "cloud" sync/storage best will win the game. Unlike you, my take is that Apple is actually way behind in this area, while Google has a convincing, if not insurmountable lead. This isn't about Android, though you can see it a little bit in the way that Android devices instantly populate themselves via the 'net using only a Google ID. By contrast an Apple iDevice won't even turn on until you plug them into a desktop via USB. You can also see it in the piece of crap that is Apple's current .Mac offering ($99/year for, basically, stuff you can get for free elsewhere, with minimal device integration --- yes, I pay for it and I'm ashamed).

    But mostly you don't see Google's advantage, because it manifests primarily in the unglamorous, invisible stuff like cloud infrastructure. Google has an order of magnitude more server capacity than most competitors, and absolutely crushes Apple in terms of the user data it holds, not to mention its (still nascent, but growing) customer base for services like Mail, Docs, Maps and Apps.

    Apple may show up to the party one of these days --- maybe they'll get 'net-based activation by iPhone 5. But what people fail to understand is that moving from a device business to a cloud business is a not a natural transition, and so far Apple has demonstrated no real instinct for it. To give a silly analogy: at the moment Apple is building the grandest, prettiest castles in town, while Google is buying up all the roads and sewers. One day I fear that Apple will realize how badly they need that infrastructure in order to keep building, and Google will be the only one who can provide it.

  52. Ozzie doesn't get it by FridayBob · · Score: 1

    M$ is all about their Windows/Office monopoly. On the PC. Period. For almost two decades now, the company's whole business strategy has really just been about maintaining that monopoly. It's what they've always done best.

    Sure, they dabble in many other areas, but unless it soon starts to look like it has the potential to make them billions, just like Windows and Office, they quickly lose interest.

    Innovation? Nope. They just buy other companies that look interesting, assimilate the knowledge, achieve relatively little as a result and then move on. Seriously, I can't think of anything unique that they themselves have ever come up with besides M$ Bob, which was a total flop, and perhaps a miserable animated paperclip. All of their other ideas have either been bought or stolen.

    Seen in this light it's easy to predict when M$ will die: when the PC dies. Once their traditional monopoly has faded, M$ will be just another software company struggling with the competition... except that they never learned how to innovate -- they've never had to!! Oh, of course there are more people at M$ who know that and fear the inevitable, but they can't change anything. Their ship's course was fixed long ago and it can never be altered. Ray should have known that and avoided them like the plague, but I suppose he was just being stupid or greedy... or both. Within that company, however, he's hardly a unique case; just more well known.

  53. Compare and contrast with J. Allard by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Compare and contrast Ray Ozzie's farewell with that of another recent high-level departure, J. Allard. These men, at the heart of technology for all their adult lives, were in positions of the highest influence at Microsoft. They're obviously both brilliant, and not needing to cash a paycheck. They see a change coming - a huge change - and they want to be a part of it. They don't see that happening while they work in Redmond. So they go. But on the way out they look back at the poor souls they leave behind and they tell them in their farewell: "You too can be a part of this new world. You just have to think different." The door swings shut with a click and the obvious conclusion remains unsaid: "but you won't."

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  54. Installing mods made by someone else by tepples · · Score: 1

    For everyone who wants to make their own maps, there are hundreds if not thousands of other players who simply want new maps and expect that someone else will create those maps for them.

    You can gain from an environment that embraces prosumption even if you yourself don't produce, as long as you have a prosumer in your social group. But if you can't mod, you can't install maps made by someone else.

  55. Apple makes appliances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They care most about making well designed, intuitive, attractive devices. For years the industry was dominated by ugly, loud, flimsy hardware running buggy, crashy, maddening software. Apple has built a brand around being the alternative to that chaos. Protecting this brand often means locking their users inside a padded room. Their vendetta against Flash has nothing to do with limiting app development (as evidenced by their embracing of HTML5 open standard alternatives) and everything to do with getting rid of the Adobe drag on Apple's brand.

    A vocal fraction of the hacker community sees Apple's strategy as an attack on hackable devices--which isn't really their goal but obviously there is some collateral damage.

    It's okay that you don't understand this--most of Apple's competitors don't either which is why Apple is printing money.

    1. Re:Apple makes appliances by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      For years the industry was dominated by ugly, loud, flimsy hardware running buggy, crashy, maddening software. Apple has built a brand around being the alternative to that chaos. Protecting this brand often means locking their users inside a padded room.

      Not only do I get it, dear Coward, but I'm predicting this becoming de facto for the Mac in the very near future as well.

  56. No by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

    It's a good idea, and a fucking bummer that Apple is the only company doing it.
     
    Also, in a very big and comprehensive way, Google.

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  57. Anonymous Coward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did work at Microsoft (Redmond) as a software engineer: an overall friendly company, but I find that the way of thinking was very rigid.
    In many ways it reminds me of the old IBM: a very close culture, where external knowledge is missing... and not always welcome!
    A very simple example was to use open source Cygwin, with several of the nice Unix/Linux features... that no one seemed to know, and which is so valuable for software development.
    Like IBM in the past, the Microsoft culture does not leave much room for mew ideas.
    Sorry to be an
                                                  Anonymous Coward.

  58. I don't see decades of innovation by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

    I see decades of innovators being sued for questionable patent infringements. I see no true innovation. I see mostly more of the same in smaller and shinier packages at greater profit margins to the manufacturers. I see a stagnant technological future in which the only major innovations come in the form of devices to kill, maim, and infringe the freedoms and actions of the individual/society. At least I will be able to enjoy it all on my iPucker-GE(Green Edition) made from recycled sequestered carbon in the form of a trendy Graphene case.

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  60. And where's the Ogg format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And where's the Ogg format? Why must I use iTunes to put music on it?

    The *music* is no longer DRM'd, but the product they own (even after you've paid for it) is even more locked down than it was.

    1. Re:And where's the Ogg format? by Trashman · · Score: 1

      And where's the Ogg format? Why must I use iTunes to put music on it?

      You don't; at least on Windows, See: Sharepod, Winamp, Foobar2000, Songbird.... Google (and even Bing) is your friend in regards to searching for alternatives.

      The *music* is no longer DRM'd, but the product they own (even after you've paid for it) is even more locked down than it was.

      If you have alternatives, why are you worried about this? Stop spreading BS for the sake of spreading BS and buy whatever makes you feel good.

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    2. Re:And where's the Ogg format? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Ogg point is ... pointless stupidity. Yeah, it is an "open" format, so what? The point of MP3 and AAC is the same as Ogg, which is to encode sound. Complaining that it doesn't play Ogg is like complaining that a Ford Ranger can't haul 20 tons of bricks. You want to haul 20 tons of bricks buy the truck that does. Complaining that a Ranger can't is stupid. Most people don't care.

      Lastly, I'll bet you can't tell the difference between Ogg encoding vs MP3 or AAC at any sufficient bit rate though your earbuds or while driving down the road. Go buy your Gold Plated Monster Cables and be all smug.

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  61. So much talk of a computing revolution.... by spamdog · · Score: 1

    ...but really, all this talk about mobile devices and the "future of computing" smells rankly of investor hype to me.
    Everyone's chomping at the bit to replicate Steve Jobs' success with the iPhone - to jump on the next big thing before the competition does.
    But really, what's going to displace the PC? A revolutionary new type of battery, maybe. A very high resolution miniaturized projector. A revolution in CPU design.
    It's hard to envision what could eclipse the keyboard and mouse for sheer ease of use and tactile feedback.
    Just why is everyone so excited about mobile devices, and so convinced they are the "future of computing"? What real work are people doing on these devices?
    Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon with no imagination but these things just all seem like toys to me. Very profitable toys without a doubt. But still toys.
    I think it's inevitable that Windows will decline, but all this kind of hype about a "revolution in computing" is just hype until there's a technological revolution to go along with it.
    Anyway, I'm sure someone will explain how myopic I am.

  62. Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 1

    We have a 40" LCD TV in the living room, attached to a PC

    Which puts you in what appears to be a tiny minority. As CronoCloud pointed out in a previous comment: "But what you don't understand is that most people simply don't want to hook up their computer to the TV. Let me say that again: Most non-geek people simply have no desire to hook up their computer to their TV."

    CableCARD OCUR doesn't support any operating systems [but] Windows

    World of Warcraft doesn't have a Linux version, either... nor does Steam, Counterstrike, Call of Duty 4, the Sims 3

    As I understand it, CableCard OCUR uses a kernel-level Protected Media Path to make sure that no cleartext digital video appears on any user-accessible connector. The games you mentioned do not use this.

    Wine

    Wine is for running user-space applications, not kernel modules.

  63. The true purpose of memos by fwarren · · Score: 1

    A memo is not written to inform the reader but to protect the writer.

    And suddenly your eyes are open to the truth.

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  64. Re:He can send email backward in time? Amazing... by xipxero · · Score: 1

    To: Executive Staff and direct reports Date: October 28, 2010 From: Ray Ozzie

    Ah, I thought I was the only one wondering about that for a bit...

  65. Watch UnknowingFool the bullshitter run... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34031360

    and

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34017138

    Hey, bullshit artist (that's you, Unknowing fool): Back up your lies and bullshit for once, and quit running from doing so!

    I am asking publicly here now that you disprove what I put up from reliable sources that exposed you for the bullshitting liar you are in those 2 url's above!

    Where you said:

    1.) LINUX runs NASDAQ's system (complete lie, the main system is completely proprietary & uses MS technology for users to access it in MDDS) here - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34031360

    AND

    2.) That MS Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 which make up the successful MDDS (market data dissemination) system @ NASDAQ is not the same as the unsuccessful InfoLect effort by LSE (london stock exchange), because LSE's own CIO & CTO stated it was merely a trade data dissemination system, which IS the same thing as MDDS @ NASDAQ, here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34017138

    APK

    P.S.=> I am going to let YOU continue to embarass yourself, and watch you eat your words (and so will everyone else here reading), because you shot your mouth off both times above and I had reliable sources disproving you at every turn and you called me NAMES? WELL, time to watch you squirm is all, unless you can prove me wrong... apk

    1. Re:Watch UnknowingFool the bullshitter run... apk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      P.S.=> I am going to let YOU continue to embarass yourself, and watch you eat your words (and so will everyone else here reading), because you shot your mouth off both times above and I had reliable sources disproving you at every turn and you called me NAMES? WELL, time to watch you squirm is all, unless you can prove me wrong... apk

      That's a lot of talk from someone who hides behind an anonymous handle. If you read the MS case study in detail (which you didn't), you would see that it says: "MDDS receives direct feeds from NASDAQ's trade reporting system, and collects the data, storing it in SQL Server 2005. It is then available in real time for queries by market participants, including those using the NASDAQ Workstation, a Web-based tool that connects to NASDAQ trading systems. " MDDS "connects to" the trading and the reporting system? But isn't MDDS the trading system? That's a logic problem there.

      Like many case studies, MS trumps up what it did. Every company does it; Oracle installing a small DB at company might issue a press release how said company is installing Oracle into "vital systems." Yes the MDDS system "supports" the booking system. Traders large and small rely on the information that MDDS provides; however, MDDS is not the trading system itself.

      If you read carefully, logic would lead anyone to that conclusion that MDDS is not the trading system. 100,000 queries a day is nowhere near adequate volume for NASDAQ. It is however, adequate for a reporting system. A you never addressed this point. How can a 100,000 a day system handle the sheer volume of NASDAQ? NASDAQ reportedaverage daily share volume of 311 million for February 2005. Average Daily Volume of 311,000,000 / 6.5 hours / 60 minutes per hour/ 60 seconds per minute = 13,290 trades per second. How can a system that handles 100,000 queries a day handle that? NASDAQ would only be able to function for 10 seconds a day. Logic and math would lead that it can't. If I were you, I'd read more carefully as you seem to read just the headlines but no details. I'd also do more research from other sources: Google seems to confirm what you refuse to admit that NASDAQ's trading system does run on Linux. Like many other companies, NASDAQ runs multiple applications on multiple platforms.

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  66. You're busted lying again (SuperMontage != Linux) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The NASDAQ exchange systems themselves runs on Linux." - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Monday October 25, @10:28AM (#34011858)

    Got PROOF of that? Of course you don't, because NASDAQ uses a PROPRIETARY SYSTEM called "SuperMontage"... you are, as per usual, in error!

    (By the way: The crap you posted? LMAO, it is merely LNX stock material from NASDAQ you fool! Linux does have buyable stock you know... & you're trying to make it sound as if SuperMontage is Linux!)

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    "But isn't MDDS the trading system? That's a logic problem there." - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Monday October 25, @10:28AM (#34011858)

    WTF? I never said once that MDDS is the trading system... that would be SuperMontage @ NASDAQ & I said that here days ago:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34031946 ... so quit your lying!

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    "That's a lot of talk from someone who hides behind an anonymous handle." - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Monday October 25, @10:28AM (#34011858)

    LMAO - buddy, the day you've done as much as I have around this field professionally on as many levels & have made it into respected reputable publications as I have while you were still in diapers? Is the day you can talk to ME that way, & I strongly suspect today's NOT that day...

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    " MDDS is not the trading system" - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Monday October 25, @10:28AM (#34011858)

    WTF? Where did I ever ONCE say it was?? You assumed & implied that I did, but when I asked you for a quote that says that from me directly, did you produce it???

    No.

    Quit your lying and bullshit already. It's almost as bad, lmao, as your stating NASDAQ runs on LINUX (try NYSE next time, & you'd be correct (iirc)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Please - LEARN TO READ! apk

  67. Re:You're busted lying again (SuperMontage != Linu by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    The reason you hide behind anonymous handles is that you can lie and say you never said things when you actually did.Unfortunately for you, you actually admitted in your http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34016684post:

    Answer to BOTH = BOTH systems were built using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 and were for the purposes of trade data dissemination & booking.

    When you get caught you simply say you never said it like a coward.

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  68. Re:You're busted lying again (SuperMontage != Linu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did I lie about there?

    1.) The London Stock Exchange failed at keeping a Microsoft based system going, in InfoLect!

    2.) NASDAQ kept a Microsoft based system going for coming up on (maybe exceeding) a DECADE now!

    InfoLect IS the MS system that is LSE's "trade data dissemination system" that failed, & that was PROVEN via a quote of their own CIO &/or CTO calling it their "trade data dissemination system" here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSM55bsCrM !

    (Which IS exactly what MDDS is for NASDAQ, a "market data dissemination system", same as Infolect @ LSE functioned as)

    Well - Except again, NASDAQ kept it running for years now, almost a decade iirc in fact, stable & solid via failover clustering systems - LSE couldn't!

    This all proved my point that the TEAMS matter who architect, code, and maintain these systems (more than the OS or hardwares used). I said that in my 2nd post here in fact -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1836934&cid=34012454 which only agreed with the main poster I replied to!

    APK

    P.S.=> I use my REAL initials on every post of mine, so you know (well, most all of my posts that is, unless I forget or I'm in a hurry, like 99%), unlike yourself!

    You rib on me for using AC posting? Why shouldn't I?? Hell, the moderation staff knows I do and for years now, because I gain NOTHING by being a registered "sheep" that's easily tracked (for trolling or whatever) like you are here... that's how STUPID you are if you don't realize that, & if you think "karma points" makes up for that?? Man, you have a SAD life then!

    I mean, hey: Face it, you post under some BULLSHIT "pseudonym" nick/handle crap - is "Unknowing fool" your name? Doubt it, unless your parents were incredibly sadistic! apk

  69. Answer this question then, UnknowingFool... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verbatim, & straight from the article I 1st cited about booking support:

    NASDAQ Deploys SQL Server 2005 to Support Real-Time Trade Booking and Queries:

    (PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT)

    "Agility to Meet Customer Needs

    Moving trade booking operations from the large mainframe database to SQL Server 2005 has greatly enhanced the agility NASDAQ internal developers enjoy when customizing existing or creating new solutions."

    ANSWER THIS QUESTION UNKNOWING FOOL:

    What does that say, UnknowingFool? Especially the BOLDED part... Funniest part is, lmao, you told me I didn't READ THAT WELL? Ahem: Looks like the shoe's on the other foot now... like usual (pot calling the kettle black on YOUR part).

    LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> MDDS appears to be far more than the London Stock Exchange's InfoLect system, which was only apparently a "trade data dissemination" system ONLY, whereas MDDS? Read the above... NASDAQ moved from Tandem Mainframes (used to be Compaq, & now is HP).

    The NASDAQ overall system is a composite of proprietary & commodity systems (MS stuff is noted above) & it's called "SuperMontage" (makes sense, a montage is a sort of collage). I never ONCE said it was "ALL MS" stuff, though YOU tried to stuff those words in my mouth and YOU KNOW IT (and you were unable to produce me EVER saying that also).

    The same deal is probably prevalent at most all stock exchanges really I'd wager (a mixture of tools).

    Oh, & again - There IS the fact that NASDAQ manages to keep a Microsoft-based system going and LSE?? FAILED... this only again supports my 2nd posting that teams that architect, code, and maintain systems like these matter MORE than the OS or DB's used apparently, look at the results here in comparison of NASDAQ & LSE!

    I ought to know by the way - this IS what I have been doing professionally for 16++ yrs. now in fact, writing or co-writing, & maintaining "Mission-Critical/Enterprise-Class" information systems... apk

  70. Answer a question & EAT YOUR WORDS, fool... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "Coward" just KICKED YOUR ASS:

    "Trade Dissemination == Reporting. Trade processing == Booking. Again you don't seem to grasp definitions very well. Read the MS case study again. It talks all about reporting and how MDDS would "help" booking. It doesn't mention that it would process the trade at all. - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Wednesday October 27, @12:24PM (#34038796)

    ANSWER THIS QUESTION UNKNOWING FOOL:

    What does that say below, UnknowingFool? Especially BOTH the BOLDED parts...

    NASDAQ Deploys SQL Server 2005 to Support Real-Time Trade Booking and Queries:

    (PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT)

    "Agility to Meet Customer Needs

    "Moving trade booking operations from the large mainframe database to SQL Server 2005 has greatly enhanced the agility NASDAQ internal developers enjoy when customizing existing or creating new solutions."

    Straight from that very article no less, verbatim... lol, & you said I didn't read it? Pot calling the kettle black boy, on YOUR part... lmao!

    ---

    MDDS appears to be far more than the London Stock Exchange's InfoLect system, which was only apparently a "trade data dissemination" system ONLY, whereas MDDS? Read the above... NASDAQ moved from Tandem Mainframes (used to be Compaq, & now is HP).

    The NASDAQ overall system is a composite of proprietary & commodity systems (MS stuff is noted above) & it's called "SuperMontage" (makes sense, a montage is a sort of collage). I never ONCE said it was "ALL MS" stuff, though YOU tried to stuff those words in my mouth and YOU KNOW IT (and you were unable to produce me EVER saying that also).

    The same deal is probably prevalent at most all stock exchanges really I'd wager (a mixture of tools).

    Oh, & again - There IS the fact that NASDAQ manages to keep a Microsoft-based system going and LSE?? FAILED... this only again supports my 2nd posting that teams that architect, code, and maintain systems like these matter MORE than the OS or DB's used apparently, look at the results here in comparison of NASDAQ & LSE!

    I ought to know by the way - this IS what I have been doing professionally for 16++ yrs. now in fact, writing or co-writing, & maintaining "Mission-Critical/Enterprise-Class" information systems... apk

    So, in the end here? Well - It appears you LOSE on all fronts, even your "last stand" here, boy... eat your words!

    (Your big mouth got you FRIED... and as per usual here on /., vs. the little "know it all wannabe trolls" around here? Ah, just "too, Too, TOO EASY" (just too easy)).

    APK

    P.S.=> MY SOURCE USED: LMAO, the very article YOU SAID I DID NOT READ, no less... how ironic!

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eanVbbWTsmEJ:download.microsoft.com/download/c/a/d/cadc2f8c-3901-4b40-9429-fd071ba6c9bd/NASDAQ%2520-%2520SQL%2520Server%25202005%252012.18.06_Final.doc+MDDS+and+booking+of+trade&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us\

    or

    http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/a/d/cadc2f8c-3901-4b40-9429-fd071ba6c9bd/NASDAQ%20-%20SQL%20Server%202005%2012.18.06_Final.doc.