try to tell it german government - they have a similar system but on the country level - the selection is done at 4th grade in ground school - as this is germany all works well and the results are as expected - working segregation model in which if you are born to a state official you have a chance to become one yourself. They call it 'social' here which makes me wonder sometimes.
there were some other studies in Europe where the results seemed to suggest that organizing students to help each other benefits all. How about that? Or is helping other students in US liable to court action if they fail anyway?
so this comes down to the same thing - it works fast and umghh efficient when many people watch(ed) the same).
Still there are places (here in Germany for instance) where ISPs exist that hooked up with tv broadcasters and deliver stuff from these broadcasters' libraries for free or for a small fee. I have not tried so I do not know how good this service is though.
This is probably true - the quality of my average VoIP connection is rather bad as long as it goes through common internet. OTOH if I make calls over so called POTS this goes over IP too but as the network is dedicated for this purpose only is also better maintained and not abused by evil/.ers downloading pr0n. Having said that I must admit that this all does not matter if the mass (including customers as well as agents of evil in boards of directors of major companies in the industry) will decide that from three solutions XYZ the best is B then it is so and so it will be.
It ia more apparent than on the continent. At least that is my impression. I am not sure how this territory marking affects Germans (I happen to live in Germany) - they are absolutely mad about personalizing their cars and yet the incidents of road rage are rare at least I have not seen any that could be identified as such and I live here few years already.
Is your blind spot attached to a sponge? How on earth did a sponge get a driving license? I hope there is a low against giving them to thoughtless lumps of meat.
I have problems with your argument 'sell less oil=make less money' that is true only if the price is not catching up and costs are not falling. Small riots here and there are also not that bad they show up how important the industry is and allow to get more money from gullible and powerless taxpayer.
You just did that - you stopped thinking critically generalized stupidity of all believers in any faith (or nonfaith as they are as zealous) out of an unidentified article in an unidentified newspaper. That is not sign of critical thinking but well (anti)religious zeal.
I am not sure why it is so but majority that the critics and proponents of god(s) or more generally deities have to say can be summarized in one sentence directed to the opposite side and the sentence goes like this: 'you and all that have at least slight sympathy for you are stupid'. Now this cannot be an argument or can it? Is this something that is normal in the place you live? How sad.
Just in case somebody missed the point of what I wrote above: 1. I disagree with generalizations when they are based on such weak base as the statments of P. 2. I think all sides of the divide would have some use of the reason in their arguments instead of treading in insults and fallacies.
germany's top human rights abuser happens to be a minister of the int(f)erior that has given himself rights to search through anything and everything including intrusion into private machines connected to internet, video spying on people including family members of suspects etc, I suppose Germany and US are not along on this. I guess we are all going straight into the police state and given the technical progress (if you can call it that) it will be very difficult to fight real monsters once they get the power.I mentioned Germany because the small painter from Viena mr. A.H. got into power (ab)using democracy.//
mark twain (to mention one person) failed at that and I have no reason to believe that this will change any day soon. I suppose if I extrapolate the amount of stupid things that flow from science circles today, compare it with what has been produced at the times of Einstein then I can extrapolate that in 100 years all the data streams that travel through all that cabling that 'intelligent' creatures put out there will be full of nonsense and non intelligent communication will be taking place. Gosh this happens already - we reached singularity - hurra!!!
Interesting interview though. I am not sure whether he is right in his 'prediction' of centuries to have 'imortality' as he calls it but I sure do not understand how intelligent machines (if we manage to produce any) will want to sustain our stupid existence. I surely would not grant such service to Mr Kurzweil for he is rather shortsighted and thus not very useful for any other purpose than entertainment and this in not so entertaining sort of way either.
It is maybe easier to learn the business stuff as it is presented in MBA curses but not in reality. In reality you must be good at what you do whatever schools you finished and whether you have management position or do things yourself. managing is not such a bad thing as some would like it to be - we need organizers and leaders. Only when these leaders and organizers have no f.ing clue to ask for technical advise and to use it properly things go wrong. OTOH if I as an engineer screw up there are others to correct me and possibly prevent shit hitting the fan (as long as QA is at place), if managers screw up there are a lot of people that will pay for their mistake. This of course is only statistical truth but still holds some validity. I personally do not see organizing and managing as bad thing only I hate constantly arguing with people too much to do it myself properly.
greenhouse debate in general is exactly as shitty a it is in for instance on/. in particular.
The problem is the profit as here: 1. read without understanding 2. speak without thinking 3. let the ones that always make profit make the profit (as all other will be occupied with protecting themselves from noise).
Also the problems discussed are complex as processes that caused them this allows ignorants throw simple solutions at other ignorants that will promptly ignore them because they do not explain all the facts. Of course explanations that try to do just that will be too long for/. also if linked only.
This is almost the same with any other complicated issues affecting large (>3persons) populations. But I have a solution: when I become a solitary ruler of humans (you can call me king or savior of the universe) I will shorten all the discussions in a way so cunning and cool that all discussion will cease - I will thus solve all problems (including the one caused by staying in the cellar all the time i.e. with getting laid) in very efficient way.
I think the only metal illness associated with this new law is on its authors - they most likely are so aroused by such pictures that in order to protect themselves they delegalize the whole lot.
Maybe they should start be bothered for instance with people abusing us all like spam and malware authors instead but that would be too difficult I suppose.
why would anybody want to understand this mount of data?
I wonder sometimes why we humans do things and after all these years spent here I still do not know. Let us take this little idea of building 'thinking' machines. So members of human race are trying to build thinking machines - how splendid - while majority of us cannot even spllel properly not to mention reading with understanding , some of us are arrogant enough to attempt to build a 'thinking' machine. Besides technical challenges in the process - how on earth would they recognize that it is thinking? Please spare me this Turing sort of tests - they all contain a flaw namely that there is a human judging what is and what is not intelligent. If the only criteria on which we have to base our recognition of intelligence should be inability to distinguish a machine from human than there is no need for intelligent or thinking machines. Then the question may arise and that is the question humans should be asking much more frequently:Why bother?
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I suppose this was indeed an oversimplified analysis of what job on the top really means. To become one of the people on top (POT) you need to be mean. There is no way around that. Competition is hard and nice social skill together with some sort of well working strategy is not enough you need this evil social part often enough. If you are not strong and have no morals this means that you have all temptations to become an asshole and depending on success of your strategy a big earner. This does not mean that engineers that stayed as salary men are any better - there is enough of assholism there too only they do not get that well paid and have no such huge potential to fuck things up big time. The biggest mistake I have ever made as a engineer cost the company few dozen thousand dollars of damages and few people could not use their phones for a half a day. If they make a mistake in judgment people lose jobs or worse can get hurt or be subject to environmental change that makes them run for life - this makes POT especially visible and puts on them special requirements for quality of their judgment in moral, financial and social sense. Experience teaches us however that because they can buy their way out they feel no obligation to even try to make these judgments right at least as long as it suits their strategy (whatever that is). The history shows us that the greedy and selfish sometimes fail to prevent good people to get to the top. This is not seen often though. Now as for who gets paid best - I do not know. I do not care. As long as I can feed my family and see that my children at least have as good chance as I had I am OK as a low life. I think however that paying CEOs ridiculous amounts of money is morally wrong and is also wrong financially in the long run not to mention that it corrupts the society. Now what this has to do with being a geek I do not know. I also do not know how does having an iPod and blog (that is read by few friends) qualify as being a geek but that is another issue somehow associated with TFA.
arguments with any sort of solipsism is pointless. Whether solipsism is pointless or not is a personal matter but it does not provide you anything useful in explaining and regulating things which view of the world/religion/(a)theism are meant to.
while I agree that anybody with capacity t o understand what religion is can join discussion on (a)theisms I have to point out that: 1. religion does not have to have a personality in it so your statement is overly exclusive, that is important especially if you think of AE's views 2. you do not have to be taught in religion or philosophy but it helps if you can think systematically. That is lacking on both/all sides of the divide
... If you're studying "the philosophy of religion", you've already decided on a camp. By the same measure you can say that people studying whatever ugly part of human philosophy automatically become its believers.
Well maybe this study or whatever that is that they produced was compromised by money of the ordering company??? Let us see: there is a hiring agency and they have interest in staff coming to them so that they can make business with the companies requiring this staff. They have interest in cultivating the perception that IT jobs are worthwhile) (or why otherwise would you like your kids to pick them) and that majority are looking for a new job so why not you. That somehow fits or does it not?
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ughh are we supposed to read some article? What article?
try to tell it german government - they have a similar system but on the country level - the selection is done at 4th grade in ground school - as this is germany all works well and the results are as expected - working segregation model in which if you are born to a state official you have a chance to become one yourself. They call it 'social' here which makes me wonder sometimes.
there were some other studies in Europe where the results seemed to suggest that organizing students to help each other benefits all. How about that? Or is helping other students in US liable to court action if they fail anyway?
so this comes down to the same thing - it works fast and umghh efficient when many people watch(ed) the same).
Still there are places (here in Germany for instance) where ISPs exist that hooked up with tv broadcasters and deliver stuff from these broadcasters' libraries for free or for a small fee. I have not tried so I do not know how good this service is though.
what is VCR?
This is probably true - the quality of my average VoIP connection is rather bad as long as it goes through common internet. OTOH if I make calls over so called POTS this goes over IP too but as the network is dedicated for this purpose only is also better maintained and not abused by evil /.ers downloading pr0n.
Having said that I must admit that this all does not matter if the mass (including customers as well as agents of evil in boards of directors of major companies in the industry) will decide that from three solutions XYZ the best is B then it is so and so it will be.
It ia more apparent than on the continent. At least that is my impression. I am not sure how this territory marking affects Germans (I happen to live in Germany) - they are absolutely mad about personalizing their cars and yet the incidents of road rage are rare at least I have not seen any that could be identified as such and I live here few years already.
Is your blind spot attached to a sponge? How on earth did a sponge get a driving license?
I hope there is a low against giving them to thoughtless lumps of meat.
I have problems with your argument 'sell less oil=make less money' that is true only if the price is not catching up and costs are not falling. Small riots here and there are also not that bad they show up how important the industry is and allow to get more money from gullible and powerless taxpayer.
You just did that - you stopped thinking critically generalized stupidity of all believers in any faith (or nonfaith as they are as zealous) out of an unidentified article in an unidentified newspaper. That is not sign of critical thinking but well (anti)religious zeal.
I am not sure why it is so but majority that the critics and proponents of god(s) or more generally deities have to say can be summarized in one sentence directed to the opposite side and the sentence goes like this: 'you and all that have at least slight sympathy for you are stupid'. Now this cannot be an argument or can it? Is this something that is normal in the place you live?
How sad.
Just in case somebody missed the point of what I wrote above:
1. I disagree with generalizations when they are based on such weak base as the statments of P.
2. I think all sides of the divide would have some use of the reason in their arguments instead of treading in insults and fallacies.
Now where were we at critical thinking?
germany's top human rights abuser happens to be a minister of the int(f)erior that has given himself rights to search through anything and everything including intrusion into private machines connected to internet, video spying on people including family members of suspects etc, I suppose Germany and US are not along on this. I guess we are all going straight into the police state and given the technical progress (if you can call it that) it will be very difficult to fight real monsters once they get the power.I mentioned Germany because the small painter from Viena mr. A.H. got into power (ab)using democracy. //
mark twain (to mention one person) failed at that and I have no reason to believe that this will change any day soon. I suppose if I extrapolate the amount of stupid things that flow from science circles today, compare it with what has been produced at the times of Einstein then I can extrapolate that in 100 years all the data streams that travel through all that cabling that 'intelligent' creatures put out there will be full of nonsense and non intelligent communication will be taking place. Gosh this happens already - we reached singularity - hurra!!!
Interesting interview though. I am not sure whether he is right in his 'prediction' of centuries to have 'imortality' as he calls it but I sure do not understand how intelligent machines (if we manage to produce any) will want to sustain our stupid existence. I surely would not grant such service to Mr Kurzweil for he is rather shortsighted and thus not very useful for any other purpose than entertainment and this in not so entertaining sort of way either.
It is maybe easier to learn the business stuff as it is presented in MBA curses but not in reality. In reality you must be good at what you do whatever schools you finished and whether you have management position or do things yourself. managing is not such a bad thing as some would like it to be - we need organizers and leaders. Only when these leaders and organizers have no f.ing clue to ask for technical advise and to use it properly things go wrong. OTOH if I as an engineer screw up there are others to correct me and possibly prevent shit hitting the fan (as long as QA is at place), if managers screw up there are a lot of people that will pay for their mistake. This of course is only statistical truth but still holds some validity. I personally do not see organizing and managing as bad thing only I hate constantly arguing with people too much to do it myself properly.
greenhouse debate in general is exactly as shitty a it is in for instance on /. in particular.
/. also if linked only.
The problem is the profit as here:
1. read without understanding
2. speak without thinking
3. let the ones that always make profit make the profit (as all other will be occupied with protecting themselves from noise).
Also the problems discussed are complex as processes that caused them this allows ignorants throw simple solutions at other ignorants that will promptly ignore them because they do not explain all the facts. Of course explanations that try to do just that will be too long for
This is almost the same with any other complicated issues affecting large (>3persons) populations. But I have a solution: when I become a solitary ruler of humans (you can call me king or savior of the universe) I will shorten all the discussions in a way so cunning and cool that all discussion will cease - I will thus solve all problems (including the one caused by staying in the cellar all the time i.e. with getting laid) in very efficient way.
I think the only metal illness associated with this new law is on its authors - they most likely are so aroused by such pictures that in order to protect themselves they delegalize the whole lot. Maybe they should start be bothered for instance with people abusing us all like spam and malware authors instead but that would be too difficult I suppose.
I wonder sometimes why we humans do things and after all these years spent here I still do not know. Let us take this little idea of building 'thinking' machines. So members of human race are trying to build thinking machines - how splendid - while majority of us cannot even spllel properly not to mention reading with understanding , some of us are arrogant enough to attempt to build a 'thinking' machine. Besides technical challenges in the process - how on earth would they recognize that it is thinking? Please spare me this Turing sort of tests - they all contain a flaw namely that there is a human judging what is and what is not intelligent. If the only criteria on which we have to base our recognition of intelligence should be inability to distinguish a machine from human than there is no need for intelligent or thinking machines. Then the question may arise and that is the question humans should be asking much more frequently:Why bother?
I suppose this was indeed an oversimplified analysis of what job on the top really means. To become one of the people on top (POT) you need to be mean. There is no way around that. Competition is hard and nice social skill together with some sort of well working strategy is not enough you need this evil social part often enough. If you are not strong and have no morals this means that you have all temptations to become an asshole and depending on success of your strategy a big earner.
This does not mean that engineers that stayed as salary men are any better - there is enough of assholism there too only they do not get that well paid and have no such huge potential to fuck things up big time. The biggest mistake I have ever made as a engineer cost the company few dozen thousand dollars of damages and few people could not use their phones for a half a day. If they make a mistake in judgment people lose jobs or worse can get hurt or be subject to environmental change that makes them run for life - this makes POT especially visible and puts on them special requirements for quality of their judgment in moral, financial and social sense. Experience teaches us however that because they can buy their way out they feel no obligation to even try to make these judgments right at least as long as it suits their strategy (whatever that is).
The history shows us that the greedy and selfish sometimes fail to prevent good people to get to the top. This is not seen often though.
Now as for who gets paid best - I do not know. I do not care. As long as I can feed my family and see that my children at least have as good chance as I had I am OK as a low life. I think however that paying CEOs ridiculous amounts of money is morally wrong and is also wrong financially in the long run not to mention that it corrupts the society. Now what this has to do with being a geek I do not know. I also do not know how does having an iPod and blog (that is read by few friends) qualify as being a geek but that is another issue somehow associated with TFA.
"Your rifle is only a tool, it is a hard heart that kills" -Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
Maybe guys like Hawking should google too?
I suppose that is much cheaper and gives answers that are equally difficult to evaluate.
arguments with any sort of solipsism is pointless. Whether solipsism is pointless or not is a personal matter but it does not provide you anything useful in explaining and regulating things which view of the world/religion/(a)theism are meant to.
made up statements are used in mathematics too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom although they are supposed to be well considered.
while I agree that anybody with capacity t o understand what religion is can join discussion on (a)theisms I have to point out that:
1. religion does not have to have a personality in it so your statement is overly exclusive, that is important especially if you think of AE's views
2. you do not have to be taught in religion or philosophy but it helps if you can think systematically. That is lacking on both/all sides of the divide
... If you're studying "the philosophy of religion", you've already decided on a camp. By the same measure you can say that people studying whatever ugly part of human philosophy automatically become its believers.Well maybe this study or whatever that is that they produced was compromised by money of the ordering company??? Let us see: there is a hiring agency and they have interest in staff coming to them so that they can make business with the companies requiring this staff. They have interest in cultivating the perception that IT jobs are worthwhile) (or why otherwise would you like your kids to pick them) and that majority are looking for a new job so why not you. That somehow fits or does it not?
I think the research financed by IT head hunter is rather unreliable. Besides I think child abuse is illegal in majority of civilized countries.