The reason they got there was because they felt disenfranchised and oppressed in their own country PRIOR to all that mess. I know I can totally ignore all their BS into their own irrelevance until they actually become a threat. However this did nothing other than harden their resolve, they will adapt and they even got TONS of free media coverage to boot.
God, you SJWs are really something you know that? I don't care about their resolve. And they DESERVE tons of media coverage because it's about time Americans knew what kind of poison we've got in our national veins.
You don't defeat Nazis by appeasing them. It has never worked. In fact, appeasing these kinds of fascist movements has only made the promise work. This kind of movement has to be killed in the crib. Excised.
Did you see the "3%" alt-right jackoff who tried to set off a bomb in Oklahoma City this week? Here's what he wrote in his texts to what turned out to be an FBI informant:
“I’m out for blood,” Mr. Varnell wrote in one text message to a confidential informant who cooperated with the authorities, according to the affidavit, which was written by an F.B.I. special agent. “When militias start getting formed I’m going after government officials when I have a team,” he wrote. The complaint did not name the informant.
In another text message, Mr. Varnell wrote: “I think I’m going to go with what the okc bomber used. Diesel and anhydrous ammonia.” He was referring to Timothy J. McVeigh, who was executed for the Oklahoma City bombing. Mr. McVeigh and a co-conspirator, Terry L. Nichols, built a giant fertilizer bomb using ammonium nitrate and racing fuel as their primary ingredients. Mr. Varnell later told the informant to get him ammonium nitrate, adding, “That’s all I need,”
He thought he was firing the detonator with his cell phone but the FBI was waiting for him.
This was not a "lone wolf". This was a guy from the same group of jackoffs that was marching in Charlottesville. They want to kill. This is the kind of evil we're talking about here. You don't allow that kind of evil a platform. You don't give them the legitimacy of a URL.
Wrong, the alternative to one welfare scheme is not another welfare scheme, it is freedom from collectivism and from psychopaths like you that want to rule via the force of violence.
Hey man, if you have a complaint with that famous collectivist Milton Friedman, take it up with him, not me.
Not really. We're talking about some loons who figured out if they put on silly uniforms and act like they are Nazis, people will get mad at them.
Do you realize that the original Nazis were also just "some loons who put on silly uniforms and acted like they're Nazis"? They were considered just "disaffected white youths" almost until the day they started shipping people to concentration camps.
Here's the thing: when someone tells you they're a Nazi, believe them.
H1-B visas are an exception to current immigration rules... yes, they should be eliminated.
OK, we need to have a little talk about the meaning of the word, "exception".
H1-B visas are enabled under the United States Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(17)(H). It's actually written into the law. If it's a codified part of the enacted law, how can it be an "exception" to the rules? IT'S PART OF THE RULES, YOU BONEHEAD.
If you need further explanation, I'm here for you. I've cleared my schedule.
All this has done is give a bunch of disenfranchised idiots more reason to hate..
And yes
Once you've reached the point where you sport a swastika armband and Nazi flag and throw up Nazi salutes and call for Jews to be put in ovens, you've pretty much reached peak hate. I don't think Cloudflare dropping the Daily Stormer is going to cause them to get a +1 Hate added to their stats because the Hate stat is pretty much capped at "Nazi".
Except, in this case, we're talking about literal Nazis.
Anyway, you needn't worry. The Russians were more than happy to provide web services to neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, because Russia has a stellar record of promoting freedom of speech.
Really, isn't the best way to fight such complete stupidity to keep it in the open?
Do you have an historical example of this working? I mean, there may well be some, but none come to mind.
If you shine a light on some bugs and they scurry under a rock, you can then blow up the rock and problem solved. You don't beat the bugs by inviting them into your house.
Nazis are cockroaches. When you promote genocide by idolizing genocide that already happened you forfeit your right to be part of civil society.
Don't just tear these statues down. Relocate them. Create a museum dedicated to the folly of mankind.
When the Declaration of Independence was written, mobs of American patriots tore down every statue of King George. Every single one.
But I'm nothing if not a conciliatory and reasonable gentleman. I will agree that we should relocate all of the Confederate statues to a landfill, and call it a "museum dedicated to the folly of mankind". We can even put up a big sign calling it, "The Donald Trump Museum of the Folly of Mankind and Presidential Library". That fulfills your need for putting the past in a proper context.
If they wish to enforce Sharia Law against law abiding American citizens, yes,
Can you give us any examples of American Muslims who want to enforce Sharia law on all Americans?
You know, you're a special kind of jackoff, DigiShaman. A loudmouthed, bigoted jackoff. You got nothing bad to say about neo-Nazis who loudly express their desire to put Jews, Muslims and "mud people" in ovens, but you literally make up some shit about how you're going to be forced to follow Sharia Law. You and motherfucking Trump. Disgraziati.
What you are suggesting is basically what Milton Friedman suggested decades ago.
There is no getting around the fact that increased automation will eventually require universal basic income. The alternative is to vastly increase the size of the welfare system. Interestingly, as Friedman points out, the universal basic income would actually shrink the welfare system.
That's for sure. If you read the article (I know, right?) you will learn the methodology that these "economists" used:
1. Take a period of time when the minimum wage went up from $6.77 to $7.77, specifically 1980 to 2015.
2. See how many low-skill jobs were lost to automation in that time.
3. Assume that the automation was implemented purely to avoid paying the extra buck an hour to those greedy people making $7.77/hr and had nothing do with, I don't know, technological advances in automation.
4. Conclude that companies won't implement automation if we can just keep wages low enough, and that people would be better off if they just accepted their lot in life. Just think of how many jobs would be created if workers stopped expecting to be paid altogether!
If you think I'm kidding, read the article (and the linked "research" by these "economists")
For instance, if war results are the basis for argumentation
I agree with you, of course. But you do know that the entire purported reason for the alt-Right/Nazi march last weekend was to argue war results, right? The Civil War, no less.
Do you have any moral corrections left for the people who would march to preserve the Confederate "heritage"?
Violence can be done through proper channels - that being the government and the judicial system - or not.
I don't believe the civil institutions that liberals rely on to save our society are sufficient for fighting the threat of a genocidal ideology. Not any more. The government isn't going to save you when the government is run by a white supremacist who didn't get the most votes. We are at a boundary condition for the values of the Enlightenment.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I hope we can end gerrymandering and start electing a representative government again. I hope those civil institutions are still viable. But if not, it doesn't hurt to be prepared.
If you do the latter without amending the law, then such violence is itself illegal
I only believe in violence as a means of self-defense. Fighting Nazis is the very definition of self-defense.
I'm not looking for a gunfight, just like Americans weren't looking to get into a war with Germany last century.
Oh, it doesn't exist, because we have made ourselves the party of civil disarmament, so even to touch a "military style" gun is anathema to one's progressive creds.
Don't kid yourself. There are a lot more progressive gun owners than you may think. We may not wear the t-shirts or do all the camo cosplay, but here in Texas, you would be very surprised at how many died in the wool lefties are strapped. Do you know why the neo-Nazi alt-right like to do their little Vanilla ISIS rallies on college campuses? Because they're safe spaces. How do you think those guys in Charlottesville would do if they were to rally say, on the West Side of Chicago or in Houston's Third Ward?
And bottom line: There are a lot more Americans who hate Nazis than are Nazis.
For example, if we make hate speech illegal, I bet you dollars to donuts the first target of that law won't be KKK.
I'm not advocating for making anything illegal. I'm advocating for violence against Nazis, just like Churchill did, just like Roosevelt did. Just like most of the world did before the alt-Right SJWs tried to rehabilitate Nazism by dressing it in cartoon frogs.
Or, suppose, advocating for murder (in abstract) is made illegal. Do you know how many states have "fetal personhood" laws on the books? Kansas is one of them. Now, how creative do you think someone like Kris Kobach can get, if you give him a tool like that? Pro-choice advocacy as hate speech, Planned Parenthood donations as funding extremism - jeez, they would be drooling all over themselves.
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God, you SJWs are really something you know that? I don't care about their resolve. And they DESERVE tons of media coverage because it's about time Americans knew what kind of poison we've got in our national veins.
You don't defeat Nazis by appeasing them. It has never worked. In fact, appeasing these kinds of fascist movements has only made the promise work. This kind of movement has to be killed in the crib. Excised.
Did you see the "3%" alt-right jackoff who tried to set off a bomb in Oklahoma City this week? Here's what he wrote in his texts to what turned out to be an FBI informant:
He thought he was firing the detonator with his cell phone but the FBI was waiting for him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
This was not a "lone wolf". This was a guy from the same group of jackoffs that was marching in Charlottesville. They want to kill. This is the kind of evil we're talking about here. You don't allow that kind of evil a platform. You don't give them the legitimacy of a URL.
You'e confusing me with the voices in your head.
Hey man, if you have a complaint with that famous collectivist Milton Friedman, take it up with him, not me.
With the original Nazis, oppression was definitely the answer.
You think those soldiers that landed on Normandy were there to engage in civil discourse with the Nazis?
Do you realize that the original Nazis were also just "some loons who put on silly uniforms and acted like they're Nazis"? They were considered just "disaffected white youths" almost until the day they started shipping people to concentration camps.
Here's the thing: when someone tells you they're a Nazi, believe them.
OK, we need to have a little talk about the meaning of the word, "exception".
H1-B visas are enabled under the United States Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(17)(H). It's actually written into the law. If it's a codified part of the enacted law, how can it be an "exception" to the rules? IT'S PART OF THE RULES, YOU BONEHEAD.
If you need further explanation, I'm here for you. I've cleared my schedule.
Once you've reached the point where you sport a swastika armband and Nazi flag and throw up Nazi salutes and call for Jews to be put in ovens, you've pretty much reached peak hate. I don't think Cloudflare dropping the Daily Stormer is going to cause them to get a +1 Hate added to their stats because the Hate stat is pretty much capped at "Nazi".
Except, in this case, we're talking about literal Nazis.
Anyway, you needn't worry. The Russians were more than happy to provide web services to neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, because Russia has a stellar record of promoting freedom of speech.
Do you have an historical example of this working? I mean, there may well be some, but none come to mind.
If you shine a light on some bugs and they scurry under a rock, you can then blow up the rock and problem solved. You don't beat the bugs by inviting them into your house.
Nazis are cockroaches. When you promote genocide by idolizing genocide that already happened you forfeit your right to be part of civil society.
When the Declaration of Independence was written, mobs of American patriots tore down every statue of King George. Every single one.
But I'm nothing if not a conciliatory and reasonable gentleman. I will agree that we should relocate all of the Confederate statues to a landfill, and call it a "museum dedicated to the folly of mankind". We can even put up a big sign calling it, "The Donald Trump Museum of the Folly of Mankind and Presidential Library". That fulfills your need for putting the past in a proper context.
Satisfied?
If you want to discuss free markets being bad, we can have that discussion.
So no, you can't give a single example of an American Muslim calling for Sharia Law to be enforced against all Americans.
You're garbage.
Can you give us any examples of American Muslims who want to enforce Sharia law on all Americans?
You know, you're a special kind of jackoff, DigiShaman. A loudmouthed, bigoted jackoff. You got nothing bad to say about neo-Nazis who loudly express their desire to put Jews, Muslims and "mud people" in ovens, but you literally make up some shit about how you're going to be forced to follow Sharia Law. You and motherfucking Trump. Disgraziati.
What you are suggesting is basically what Milton Friedman suggested decades ago.
There is no getting around the fact that increased automation will eventually require universal basic income. The alternative is to vastly increase the size of the welfare system. Interestingly, as Friedman points out, the universal basic income would actually shrink the welfare system.
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That's not as reasonable as you may think, because it's not borne out by the data.
And yet, you believe government should protect your job by stopping H1-B visas.
It's exactly the same ideology: Blood and Soil, White ethnostate, "get in the ovens", etc etc.
Nazis gonna nazi. And no, they don't get rights because as Churchill said, "Nazi got no humanity".
That's for sure. If you read the article (I know, right?) you will learn the methodology that these "economists" used:
1. Take a period of time when the minimum wage went up from $6.77 to $7.77, specifically 1980 to 2015.
2. See how many low-skill jobs were lost to automation in that time.
3. Assume that the automation was implemented purely to avoid paying the extra buck an hour to those greedy people making $7.77/hr and had nothing do with, I don't know, technological advances in automation.
4. Conclude that companies won't implement automation if we can just keep wages low enough, and that people would be better off if they just accepted their lot in life. Just think of how many jobs would be created if workers stopped expecting to be paid altogether!
If you think I'm kidding, read the article (and the linked "research" by these "economists")
The same as the percentage of Slashdot users who have had sex. With another person.
I agree with you, of course. But you do know that the entire purported reason for the alt-Right/Nazi march last weekend was to argue war results, right? The Civil War, no less.
Do you have any moral corrections left for the people who would march to preserve the Confederate "heritage"?
The site actively promotes genocide.
Shall we count the "put them in ovens" quotes over at the Daily Stormer?
I don't believe the civil institutions that liberals rely on to save our society are sufficient for fighting the threat of a genocidal ideology. Not any more. The government isn't going to save you when the government is run by a white supremacist who didn't get the most votes. We are at a boundary condition for the values of the Enlightenment.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I hope we can end gerrymandering and start electing a representative government again. I hope those civil institutions are still viable. But if not, it doesn't hurt to be prepared.
I only believe in violence as a means of self-defense. Fighting Nazis is the very definition of self-defense.
I would caution against using the relative sizes of online communities to judge numbers IRL.
I'm not doing anything this coming weekend.
I'm not looking for a gunfight, just like Americans weren't looking to get into a war with Germany last century.
Don't kid yourself. There are a lot more progressive gun owners than you may think. We may not wear the t-shirts or do all the camo cosplay, but here in Texas, you would be very surprised at how many died in the wool lefties are strapped. Do you know why the neo-Nazi alt-right like to do their little Vanilla ISIS rallies on college campuses? Because they're safe spaces. How do you think those guys in Charlottesville would do if they were to rally say, on the West Side of Chicago or in Houston's Third Ward?
And bottom line: There are a lot more Americans who hate Nazis than are Nazis.
I'm not advocating for making anything illegal. I'm advocating for violence against Nazis, just like Churchill did, just like Roosevelt did. Just like most of the world did before the alt-Right SJWs tried to rehabilitate Nazism by dressing it in cartoon frogs.
Then we take those fights one at a time.
We beat this shit back once, we can do it again.