But this is on a phone. Sure, by all means have a smashing system at home where space requirements are lax, but on a phone, where the vast majority of people are streaming music from Spotify (or similar) into their noisy car, bluetooth fidelity is perfectly acceptable.
So, you don't see any problem with manufacturers deciding to replace perfectly good audio quality with lower quality?
People listen to a LOT of music on their phones, and not just in their car. The fact that a 2019 flagship phone cannot deliver audio fidelity as good as a 2014 (or 2009) model is absurd.
The bot works within the human directly controlling it. Your megaphone and pencil do not. They do not operate independently of you. The bot does.
No, no and no. You're bouncing all over the point. First you say, "the bot works within the human directly controlling it" and a couple sentences later, you're telling us the bot works independently. Those are contradictory statements. The owner of the bot has human rights and civil rights. The bot does not and can not. It is not sentient. If it is denied its rights, the bot does not have standing to bring a lawsuit. It is not endowed with inalienable rights. If I kill a bot, I have not committed murder.
There is no mechanism in the law by which a non-sentient object can have human rights. See? It's right in the name: human rights. We make one very controversial and very limited exception, and that's for corporations, and only because corporations (supposedly) are comprised of humans. There has to be some human, somewhere. Bots are not comprised of humans. Algorithms are not human.
You're just being silly. I think you're arguing just to be contrary. If you sit down and think this through, I'll bet you will eventually understand.
In the USA people have the freedom from government to use technology to publish and broadcast their political views.
Yes, but that does not mean the technology suddenly gets civil rights. People have the right to free speech. Technology does not.
Just as past generations used printing, radio, billboards to get their own winning political message out to many people.
Communities can ban billboards, and radio is regulated. There are certain things you cannot say over broadcast radio. Certain messages that cannot be posted on a billboard.
what if you run the bot on a computer that isn't yours? Does the computer owner have the right to stop your speech?
Of course.
What if your bot posts messages on a forum that is stored on a computer that you don't own?
Same answer.
What if you use cables that you don't own? May any cable owner or owner of a computer that handles the message decide what messages are allowed through?
The owner of the cable can say that no bots shall run on it if he can enforce that.
a bot has a right to free speech as it is an extension of the speech that a person wishes to express.
No. My megaphone is also an extension of my speech, but it has no free speech rights. My pencil is an extension of my speech, but it also has no free speech rights.
Rights are reserved for humans. Non-sentient objects do not get rights.
the automation isn't the speech itself but the means by which it is delivered.
Exactly! You are so close to understanding. You have free speech rights. The mechanisms you use to deliver that speech does not have rights.
Look at it this way: If a bot's free speech rights are violated, can it bring a lawsuit? If my pencil's free speech rights are violated, can it bring a lawsuit? Would you like to see the law changed so that objects can have standing in court to sue?
Yes. And the people who put political messages on signs also have free speech rights. However, the cardboard on which they write their message does not have free speech rights.
Nice try. No, bots do not have free speech rights. The piece of pizza crust that I left in the box that's sitting on my kitchen counter also doesn't have free speech rights.
What's the point? I don't want a roll-up phone. I want a phone that is rigid and goes into my shirt pocket without significant effort.
I want a phone that I unroll like a Roman scroll. I just think that would be so cool.
Or a phone that can roll up into the bill of my trucker's cap that I can roll down like a window shade in front of my eyes.
I could sit here and probably think of a hundred cool uses for roll-up phones, but I'll have to be a little bit drunker. Give me half an hour and I'll get on that.
It was in beta then and it is in beta now, since 2015.There is no any indication when it will become real service. Sure, it kinda sorta works with few testers. It is just not good enough to sell it.
Brother, I hope it stays in beta forever. I'm using it for free and loving it. I don't know how much I'd be willing to pay for it. But they seem to be building it out with servers all over and adding lots of new beta testers. The service seems to scale.
I can't imagine there being a price point high enough for Amazon to make a profit while also being low enough to compare favorably to just getting a GPU or a Playstation.
I like games too much to use a console.
even with Amazon Money, doesn't seem like it can truly be sustainable.
I don't know. There are more big companies entering this space. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. I'm glad I got to use nVidia's service for a year for free though.
For starters, even a $150 GPU can play most current titles at 1080p on 'high' settings.
You better take a look at the system requirements for some of the current AAA titles.
Unless one is buying AAA releases every month, it's likely that just buying games outright will be cheaper than this service.
OK, you misunderstand what the service does. You don't pay to get the games, you have to already own the games. They're yours. You just run them on nVidia's or Amazon's hardware in the cloud. Your Steam account fires up in the cloud and you can just play any game you own. Same with UPlay. Origin isn't part of this (I'm guessing they're going to end up offering their own service).
he best I can figure is that it's good for kids who has a Chromebook, doesn't have a console, wants to play not-mobile games, and wants to play all of the AAA titles back to back, but also is willing to pay $30-$50 a month to do so.
Thing is, we have no idea what the price point is going to be yet. If it's $20/month, it would be cheaper than upgrading my PC every 2 years. We just have to wait and see.
Also, it's not just going to be Chromebook users. I can play current AAA games that have not been released for OSX on an old Macbook Pro. Don't have to download the game, just fire it up. You can run Steam without having it installed on your computer. And everything runs on ultra.
Now, maybe I'm blessed by being relatively close to one of the servers. I've been playing games a long time and I really can't detect much in the way of lag. On a game like Witcher 3 or Far Cry 5 or Wolfenstein, or Prey, I doubt even a pro gamer would notice.
change it how? make it more 'accessible'?..and of course the quality of the titles will suffer, too, in order to conform to this new lower average standard of expectation, ability, and presentation technology.
The best games to play on cloud systems are the AAA titles. You can play them on ultra even with a machine that doesn't meet even basic system requirements.
It's uncanny how well it works. If you weren't such a jerk, I'd hook you up. Since I've been beta-testing it for a year, they sent me some invitations to share with people. Maybe there's someone here who's skeptical but not an asshole. If so, I'll be happy to provide you an invite to the beta so you can try it and report back.
It's not all that different to what 'social justice' is doing to
You're such a big asshole that you think bringing "social justice" into a discussion of gaming systems is going to help your argument? I get the feeling that if we continue this discussion, you'll soon be bringing up "the jews" and why your an MGTOW.
They can't make your pings low enough for any sort of dexterity game.
You're wrong, and you clearly have never tried playing your games on a virtual system in the cloud.
The most popular games on GeForce Now are the FPS arena shooters that are so popular these days. People have been playing these games on virtual systems for over a year and having a great time.
Why are you so mad at the very idea of cloud gaming. I mean, you're just fuming about it.
Here's an Engadget review of the service from a year ago.
Whether or not cloud gaming succeeds is dependent to a great extent on the pricing model they use. Right now, it's free for those of us who use it, and as the guy on Reddit said, "it's glorious".
cloud gaming will turn it into a shitty e-casino subscription service.. it's already bad enough with the current generation.
It sounds like you don't know what cloud gaming is all about. You still buy your own games. You own your own games (as much as any Steam game is "owned"). You just play them on virtual gaming PCs in the cloud.
Most people don't play games competitively. These services will change the entire industry.
Game streaming - I couldn't for the life of me figure out why they would want to do this as they already own Twitch.
I believe they are talking about game streaming service like GeForce NOW or ParSec. Considering all the cloud computing power they already own, it would be a natural fit.
As I've written here before, cloud gaming is going to be a game changer for the industry. Those of you who are saying, "it can't work" and, "there will be too much lag", have never played games on one of these services. They are terrific when done right.
The trend correlates well with an increase in the illegal immigrant population in the US:
You're so full of shit.
you think absolutely none of the illegal population referenced in the DHS document voted in any of our elections and the Democrat increase in share was simply organic.
Unless you have proof, that's exactly what I believe.
Not really. Democrats and Republicans both have about 25% share of the registered voters.
That's not true. You better look at those numbers again. Democrats have had 5-8 point larger share since at least 2004. That's why in every national election since that time the Democratic candidates have gotten a majority of the votes. If it hadn't been for gerrymandering, both houses of Congress would have been in Democratic control for the past 15 years.
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So, you don't see any problem with manufacturers deciding to replace perfectly good audio quality with lower quality?
People listen to a LOT of music on their phones, and not just in their car. The fact that a 2019 flagship phone cannot deliver audio fidelity as good as a 2014 (or 2009) model is absurd.
...is something that fairly smart people don't have to say.
No, no and no. You're bouncing all over the point. First you say, "the bot works within the human directly controlling it" and a couple sentences later, you're telling us the bot works independently. Those are contradictory statements. The owner of the bot has human rights and civil rights. The bot does not and can not. It is not sentient. If it is denied its rights, the bot does not have standing to bring a lawsuit. It is not endowed with inalienable rights. If I kill a bot, I have not committed murder.
There is no mechanism in the law by which a non-sentient object can have human rights. See? It's right in the name: human rights. We make one very controversial and very limited exception, and that's for corporations, and only because corporations (supposedly) are comprised of humans. There has to be some human, somewhere. Bots are not comprised of humans. Algorithms are not human.
You're just being silly. I think you're arguing just to be contrary. If you sit down and think this through, I'll bet you will eventually understand.
Yes, but that does not mean the technology suddenly gets civil rights. People have the right to free speech. Technology does not.
Communities can ban billboards, and radio is regulated. There are certain things you cannot say over broadcast radio. Certain messages that cannot be posted on a billboard.
Why is this simple concept so difficult for you?
The Kool-Aid Man says, "fuck your wall".
It starts and ends with human beings.
Of course.
Same answer.
The owner of the cable can say that no bots shall run on it if he can enforce that.
No. My megaphone is also an extension of my speech, but it has no free speech rights. My pencil is an extension of my speech, but it also has no free speech rights.
Rights are reserved for humans. Non-sentient objects do not get rights.
Exactly! You are so close to understanding. You have free speech rights. The mechanisms you use to deliver that speech does not have rights.
Look at it this way: If a bot's free speech rights are violated, can it bring a lawsuit? If my pencil's free speech rights are violated, can it bring a lawsuit? Would you like to see the law changed so that objects can have standing in court to sue?
Yes. And the people who put political messages on signs also have free speech rights. However, the cardboard on which they write their message does not have free speech rights.
People have rights. Bots are not people.
Any further questions?
Betteridge just called to say, "fuck no, bots don't have free speech rights".
Nice try. No, bots do not have free speech rights. The piece of pizza crust that I left in the box that's sitting on my kitchen counter also doesn't have free speech rights.
Now, are there any other stupid questions?
Where is this 5%? I bet the rents are still really cheap there.
I want a phone that I unroll like a Roman scroll. I just think that would be so cool.
Or a phone that can roll up into the bill of my trucker's cap that I can roll down like a window shade in front of my eyes.
I could sit here and probably think of a hundred cool uses for roll-up phones, but I'll have to be a little bit drunker. Give me half an hour and I'll get on that.
Brother, I hope it stays in beta forever. I'm using it for free and loving it. I don't know how much I'd be willing to pay for it. But they seem to be building it out with servers all over and adding lots of new beta testers. The service seems to scale.
I like games too much to use a console.
I don't know. There are more big companies entering this space. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. I'm glad I got to use nVidia's service for a year for free though.
Does it work on orange skin? Asking for a big wet friend.
You better take a look at the system requirements for some of the current AAA titles.
OK, you misunderstand what the service does. You don't pay to get the games, you have to already own the games. They're yours. You just run them on nVidia's or Amazon's hardware in the cloud. Your Steam account fires up in the cloud and you can just play any game you own. Same with UPlay. Origin isn't part of this (I'm guessing they're going to end up offering their own service).
Thing is, we have no idea what the price point is going to be yet. If it's $20/month, it would be cheaper than upgrading my PC every 2 years. We just have to wait and see.
Also, it's not just going to be Chromebook users. I can play current AAA games that have not been released for OSX on an old Macbook Pro. Don't have to download the game, just fire it up. You can run Steam without having it installed on your computer. And everything runs on ultra.
Now, maybe I'm blessed by being relatively close to one of the servers. I've been playing games a long time and I really can't detect much in the way of lag. On a game like Witcher 3 or Far Cry 5 or Wolfenstein, or Prey, I doubt even a pro gamer would notice.
The best games to play on cloud systems are the AAA titles. You can play them on ultra even with a machine that doesn't meet even basic system requirements.
It's uncanny how well it works. If you weren't such a jerk, I'd hook you up. Since I've been beta-testing it for a year, they sent me some invitations to share with people. Maybe there's someone here who's skeptical but not an asshole. If so, I'll be happy to provide you an invite to the beta so you can try it and report back.
You're such a big asshole that you think bringing "social justice" into a discussion of gaming systems is going to help your argument? I get the feeling that if we continue this discussion, you'll soon be bringing up "the jews" and why your an MGTOW.
It works.
You're wrong, and you clearly have never tried playing your games on a virtual system in the cloud.
The most popular games on GeForce Now are the FPS arena shooters that are so popular these days. People have been playing these games on virtual systems for over a year and having a great time.
Why are you so mad at the very idea of cloud gaming. I mean, you're just fuming about it.
Here's an Engadget review of the service from a year ago.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/...
And here's a thread of some people discussing the service on Reddit from a year ago. It's improved a great deal since then, too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidi...
Whether or not cloud gaming succeeds is dependent to a great extent on the pricing model they use. Right now, it's free for those of us who use it, and as the guy on Reddit said, "it's glorious".
It sounds like you don't know what cloud gaming is all about. You still buy your own games. You own your own games (as much as any Steam game is "owned"). You just play them on virtual gaming PCs in the cloud.
Most people don't play games competitively. These services will change the entire industry.
I believe they are talking about game streaming service like GeForce NOW or ParSec. Considering all the cloud computing power they already own, it would be a natural fit.
As I've written here before, cloud gaming is going to be a game changer for the industry. Those of you who are saying, "it can't work" and, "there will be too much lag", have never played games on one of these services. They are terrific when done right.
You're so full of shit.
Unless you have proof, that's exactly what I believe.
That's not true. You better look at those numbers again. Democrats have had 5-8 point larger share since at least 2004. That's why in every national election since that time the Democratic candidates have gotten a majority of the votes. If it hadn't been for gerrymandering, both houses of Congress would have been in Democratic control for the past 15 years.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1...
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nVidia is charging about twice what this card is actually worth. Wait a while.