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AT&T Preps For New Layoffs Despite Billions In Tax Breaks and Regulatory Favors (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: AT&T is preparing for yet another significant round of layoffs according to internal documents obtained by Motherboard. The staff reductions come despite billions in tax breaks and regulatory favors AT&T promised would dramatically boost both investment and job creation. A source at AT&T who asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to speak publicly told Motherboard that company leadership is planning what it's calling a "geographic rationalization" and employment "surplus" reduction that will consolidate some aspects of AT&T operations in 10 major operational hubs in New York, California, Texas, New Jersey, Washington State, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Missouri, and Washington, DC. A spokesperson for AT&T confirmed to Motherboard that it is planning to "adjust" its workforce.

While AT&T has yet to come up with a final, formal internal tally for this new round of looming layoffs, AT&T employees worry the staff reductions could prove to be significant, especially outside of these core areas. Managers are being briefed on the plans now, though AT&T isn't expected to formally announce the specifics until they're finalized later this month. The staff reductions were first announced in an internal memo sent to managers last Friday by Jeff McElfresh, President, Technology & Operations at AT&T. This news comes in the wake of AT&T receiving a $20 billion windfall last quarter courtesy of the Trump administration tax breaks. That's in addition to the friendlier environment AT&T finds itself in as a result of the Trump administration's assault on consumer protections ranging from net neutrality to broadband privacy guidelines.
"To win in this new world, we must continue to lower costs and keep getting faster, leaner, and more agile," McElfresh told employees. "This includes reductions in our organization, and others across the company, which will begin later this month and take place over several months."

180 comments

  1. Molopony on phacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ' Leadership is planning what it's calling a "geographic rationalization" '- Along the lines of Trump's inauguration day crowd, for diminutive example.

    1. Re: Molopony on phacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They used to call it off-shoring. That must not have been obscure enough anymore.

    2. Re: Molopony on phacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think itâ(TM)s quite clear that we as a society are a bunch of fucktards and doomed to return to feudalism

    3. Re:Molopony on phacts by macraig · · Score: 1

      ... are just too stupid to keep falling for this over and over again.

      So stupidity is the solution to avoiding that repeat behavior? Good to know.

    4. Re:Molopony on phacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its worked for the last 10,000 years, why change now?

    5. Re:Molopony on phacts by macraig · · Score: 1

      Indeed. This amusement park ride has too much momentum.

  2. Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think we can take much more of this winning.

    1. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we're winning winning winning and we're being so proud... :/
      But seriously, the problem is not Mr. Trump and his policies, is the whole private politicians that have been inserting these policies since a very long time; Trump was just another the Ronald Reagan (He was also a beloved actor), except that in those times He wasn't that obvious.

    2. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reagan wasn't a "beloved" actor except compared to Trump, the fake-firing idiot who can't take a single criticism or stand his own roast. What a bitch, to mince no more words. I shook hands with Reagan. Trump is a NOBODY.

    3. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by sdinfoserv · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Reagan started the "liberals are evil" bullshit to redirect the mindless while needing to raise taxes 11 times in his 2 terms because "trickle-down" aka voodoo economics was such a failure.

    4. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by kittylu · · Score: 0

      Trump will resign once his finances and false empire are threatened to be revealed.

    5. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuh uh liar fascist nazi!!!!!!!!!!!111

      I kno 2 ppl who got insurances so ur rong n nobody paying more cuz republicans r bad1111112eleven ...Yeah, we got fucked and anyone who isn't a drooling moron realizes that.

      Unfortunately a quarter of the country is comprised of mouth breathers. Even more unfortunate, living off welfare means they have plenty of time to shit up every site on the internet.

    6. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      better health insurance for less money. Yes some people did pay less and others had to pay more for REAL health insurance vs some of the old junk plans.

    7. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obamacare brought healthcare to millions of people.
      Trump's "Tax Reform" enriched himself and a few of his his billionaire buddies.
      So yeah. A little different.

    8. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by spongman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no, health insurance costs did not rise after the ACA. some 'budget' plans which were basically scams were dropped, and health provider costs _continued_ to rise as they had been for years before ACA.

    9. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow a brain loser. Prices doubled while Obamacare was in effect. Only your brain shrank.

    10. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, "Tax Reform" under Trump did manage to close loopholes that allowed teachers to write off school supplies. For opponents of "Big Teach" this could be considered a big win.

    11. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Prove your argument;

      https://ballotpedia.org/Health_insurance_premiums_before_and_after_the_Affordable_Care_Act

    12. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My health and body got worse under Obama. I feel like his Presidency aged me eight years. We are all closer to death because of it.

    13. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather just terminate your existence.

    14. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow a brain loser. Prices doubled while Obamacare was in effect. Only your brain shrank.

      Prices of what doubled?
      The average price of health insurance in the USA, or the price of some particular health insurance plan?
      The average price of health insurance did not double. There were some plans that did not exist before Obamacare whose price later doubled, but others did not.

      Or are you saying the price of medical care for the average person doubled? That did not happen either.

      What exactly are you claiming doubled while Obamacare was in effect?

    15. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My prices didn't double, maybe you're just getting ripped off?

    16. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did I become Trump's billioanire buddy? I wasn't aware of that.

      It's sad to see how many people minds have been poisoned by class warfare, class hatred, and exploitation, and how they are perpetually angry at everyone who has one more dollar in their pocket than they do, or who works harder, earns more money, and gets to keep more of it, instead of having the government come in, confiscate it, and redistribute it to pay for healthcare of criminal illegal alien invaders.

    17. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 0, Troll

      no, health insurance costs did not rise after the ACA. some 'budget' plans which were basically scams were dropped, and health provider costs _continued_ to rise as they had been for years before ACA.

      You always post this looney left talking point, and it's not even remotely true. They weren't junk plans. I know plenty of people who lost good insurance and had trouble replacing it. Mary Katherine Hamm wrote extensively about the issues she had with health insurance, and I'd suggest you read her factual story to see what really happened.

    18. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Umm, no it didn't, The Affordable Care Act required people to PURCHASE HEALTH INSURANCE. People still go bankrupt due to medical expenses. People still do not have access to affordable healthcare. Even with health insurance plans (which most of them have high deductibles) people still do not go to the doctor because they cannot afford it.

    19. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this happened because the Tea Party wouldn't accept the originally proposed single payer system and would only go along with a plan that had failure designed into it.

    20. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My health insurance was free before Obamacare

    21. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obamacare brought healthcare to millions of people.
      Obama and the Democrats enriched themselves and a lots of their billionaire buddies.

      There, FIXED IT for you.

      "Have to pass it to see whats in it".

    22. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by flatulus · · Score: 1, Funny

      OMG - Me too!!!

      By contrast, while my health and body have gotten worse under Trump, I only feel like his Presidency has aged me two years. That's quite a contrast from the Obama legacy!

    23. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by larkost · · Score: 1

      Being completely honest about this: yes health insurance costs did rise after the ACA. But the much more important point is that the rate of that rise was significantly lower than it had been before that, and even more significantly less than had been predicted before the ACA. That holds true even if you factor in the expected decline in health care expenditure due to the recession (people spend less on everything, including healthcare, so you have to handicap for that).

      There are also a bunch of places where the ACA is clearly a win, financially, for consumers who were already paying for health insurance:
      - Ended the lifetime maximums that bankrupted almost anyone who had serious long-term problems (e.g. cancer that does not kill you quickly, or a car crash)
      - Got rid of the "junk" insurance plans that covered very little and had surprisingly low maximums
      - Put a limit on the percent of revenues insurance companies could take as profit/executive pay to 20% (that still seems ridiculously high to me)... and a lot of companies were far exceeding that, especially the ones sellin "junk" plans.
      - Pushed hospitals hard (through Medicare reimbursements) to work to control patient readmissions (where someone has to come right back in because the hospital screwed up). This was a surprisingly large source of costs.

      So the simple answer as to whether the ACA saved money on the whole is clearly: Yes. However, people can be misleading by focusing on a simple rise in the costs.

    24. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that they stopped after step 1.

      Step 1: Get everyone insured.
      Step 2: ????
      Step 3: Affordable health care for all!

      The ACA was never going to fix everything (despite what the out-of-touch idealists might have wanted to believe), it was just a desperate attempt to slow down skyrocketing insurance costs. This is where the "we have to pass it to see what's in it" sound bite comes into play. You take one step, see what works and what doesn't, then make revisions, take another step, repeat. All we've done since then though is inch back to where we started with the talking heads ranting about how terrible it was to try to do anything in the first place because it didn't magically fix everything. What's the plan to move forward? Removing the individual mandate, bring back plans with less coverage, and bringing back pre-existing conditions (which everyone assures won't happen despite it still being on the table) won't do anything except reduce costs to insurance companies. We're stuck arguing over theory while nobody is willing to actually do anything to fix what's broken. So all we ever do is take a tentative step forward and then back out when the dog shit in front of us doesn't turn into sunshine and rainbows. Sometimes you have to be willing to step through the shit to get to ground that isn't covered in shit.

    25. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Thank God we've stopped teachers from writing off school supplies to help children of low income parents. I also hope they've reduced those onerous fines of $75 at the coal mines for not having an oxygen tank handy when someone takes it upon themselves to goof off and have a collapse and a lack of clean air.

      The more we can clamp down on the excesses of the working poor, the more we can upgrade the quality of the single malt scotch.

      --
      >>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
    26. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Obviously no sane person considers hampering education to be a big win but the real world is more complicated than just the immediate and obvious kneejerk.

      There is a great reason to close these loopholes, doing so makes the current broken and horrible model of forcing teachers to buy these supplies untenable and will ultimately force it to change... unless some idiot steps in and reinstates these tax breaks in time for things to resume, business as usual. Sometimes you have to endure hardships or do something that makes things worse to bring out a better end result.

    27. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Before Obamacare people would lose also their insurance and have difficulty replacing it. Obamacare did not suddenlly make this a thing. For any political stance here you can pick out a handful of case stories that "prove" that side is right, but that's a stupid way to deciding if it worked well or not. You have to look at the whole aggregate of the country, not just a story about your Uncle Fred.

    28. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s not fair to be so hard on replucians some small percentage actually donâ(TM)t live on welfare.

    29. Re: Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by spongman · · Score: 1

      no. it wasn't.

    30. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by spongman · · Score: 1

      nobody lost good insurance.

    31. Re:Just say "No" to Trump 2020. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      This is a pretty good argument that both were bad moves. Is that what you're arguing? Trying to impose privatized socialized medicine is just a big mess of an idea and should never have been pushed forward. Single payer wouldn't have prevented all of the mess, but it can't have been as bad as what we got.

      Most of the "growth" that the economy has shown were just big moves by big corps for show to help prop up the idea that the tax cuts were a good idea - just so that they can keep them. Nothing has cost them more than the tax cuts have gained them.

  3. is it copper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish they would specify if it is copper cable layers losing jobs if it is this was inevitable as it is cheaper and less labor intensive to lay fiber.
    Regardless though it is kinda bullshit that ATT gets government subsidies of any kind.

    1. Re:is it copper? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's even cheaper to just run fiber to a cell tower and tell everyone that's their new landline - no matter how unreliable.

  4. Just say "No" to government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you take money from people against their will, you're going to allocate it badly.

    Leave people alone.

    1. Re:Just say "No" to government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      When you take money from people against their will, you're going to allocate it badly.

      Leave people alone.

      That is not the lesson.

      I think the lesson is more like, "Don't elect worshippers of Bullshit Mountain." Right now its more a republican thing, with of course the master bullshitter. It certainly doesn't have to be though, so be wary. Of course I also recommend not encouraging them to reproduce, but that is another matter.

      AT&T lying should surprise no one. The government probably doing jack shit as the result, should of course surprise no one, which is a shame. A competent government would give them the corporate death sentence, and force every member of the board of directors to never be allowed to serve on a similar board again.

      Government is supposed to, among other things, address cases where the free market is ill serving the people. The carcass of AT&T could be absorbed by others, with the likely result being better service for all, eventually. If we have to break AT&T into little pieces every ten years, well, I'm fine with that.

    2. Re:Just say "No" to government. by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

      Services people demand... police / fire protection / schools / roads / not getting shot/mugged every-time you walk out the door / building standards so homes don't cave in on in a windstorm, employment regulations to not allow workers or minors chained to desks for 18 hours a day with no toilet breaks, or locked fire escapes that kill everyone in a fire - all those "pesky" regulations that businesses if left to themselves just wouldn't do in the name of profit are all regulated and administered by a "Government". Because arsewipes like you see zero value in educating the youth and would prefer them to grow to be uneducated, unemployable criminals who rob. .... but then we were there as a nation and that's why we need a government And those things cost money.

    3. Re: Just say "No" to government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably not talking about those basic services... Wild guess, that he was talking about tax breaks for big corps while everyone else keeps on paying, that's taking money from "us" and giving it to "them".

    4. Re:Just say "No" to government. by meerling · · Score: 0

      When the government won't obtain funds to build and maintain infrastructure and other things the public needs, they pretty much don't exist in the first place.
      Of course, if complete morons that can't even avoid bankrupting multiple businesses have a finger in the financial pie, it will invariable turn into a shit pie.

    5. Re:Just say "No" to government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T used to be many small companies, but before that, it was as it is now; AT&T.

      Break it up and scatter it to the wind. It's hard to compete when your competition own all the poles from California to New York.

    6. Re: Just say "No" to government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably not talking about those basic services... Wild guess, that he was talking about tax breaks for big corps while everyone else keeps on paying

      The post title is "Just say 'No' to government". There were no qualifications on that statement that it only applies to specific things that government does. Ergo, he was talking about government as a whole and wants anarchy.

    7. Re: Just say "No" to government. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      He probably is. This is a common Libertarian variant of the slippery slope argument - "We need to get rid of all government because ultimately if you have a government then the things you're complaining about happen therefore it isn't worth having even for the things you agree with." As evidence, look at the thread, his response and the changed subject is to someone literally just arguing that Trump is the issue.

      There is a mentality among many in the US that it's just not possible to have a decent government. The origin of this mentality is long, not worth explaining here, and goes to some pretty dark forces in the America's history. At some point though we've got to recognize that we want something out of government other than tax cuts.

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  5. Trump is a traitor, but he's also bad at math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "When you take money from people against their will" = IE hold the entire country hostage for a down payment on your 45-75 BILLION dollar paperweight over rugged terrain, as experts say is the epitome of wasted effort.

  6. DirecTV by Kohath · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Regulatory favors" don't make people subscribe to DirecTV. "Tax breaks" don't make people choose a mediocre mobile phone provider. They also don't create the need for redundant G&A staff after merging with Time Warner.

    I don't like AT&T, but unneeded staff get laid off regardless of whatever grudge anyone has with a company. Consider being more of a grownup when you write these.

    1. Re:DirecTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a known troll, are you pretending to be a "grownup" by opining about AT*T's need for layoffs? How does that math work?

    2. Re:DirecTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but if you want more favors and more handouts and more laws that help your shareholders hoover up the free money with this particular president, you do something that makes him look bad: you fire people.

      AT&T should either have laid these people off long ago and finally clued in to the shareholder money they've been wasting all this while, or they're pulling a stunt. I know where I'd put my money.

    3. Re:DirecTV by Kohath · · Score: 1

      AT&T should either have laid these people off long ago and finally clued in to the shareholder money they've been wasting all this while, or they're pulling a stunt. I know where I'd put my money.

      Companies don't lay off 1000s of people to "pull a stunt".

    4. Re:DirecTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE FUCK do you know about it? How many companies have you ever been a part of, lest of all managed? Fuck off back to Playmobil.

    5. Re:DirecTV by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      Also, the purpose of employment is the production of goods and services, not "keeping people busy". If AT&T can provide the same services with fewer people, that is a GOOD THING, because these people can be redeployed in other jobs were they will contribute to productivity.

      Make work jobs are not "good for the economy".

    6. Re:DirecTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there should be at least ten different, and completely unaffiliated with one another, companies providing the quantity and types of products and services that a single at&t is currently providing.

      same goes for comcast and a number of other 'mega' corporations.

      had the current at&t still only been 'southwestern bell' (in its composition post original at&t breakup) and nothing else, and none of the mergers and acquisitions took place that essentially 'rebuilt' another equally vertical, and even more anti-consumer, at&t.. none of those companies would be laying off anyone.. consumers would be paying less.. and getting more for it.

    7. Re:DirecTV by spongman · · Score: 1

      yeah, 'cos obviously the tax bill wasn't intended to, you know, actually help US workers.

      no. these layoffs are just another example of President Dump's 'winning' economy. he has the best numbers, you know?

    8. Re:DirecTV by spongman · · Score: 1

      yup, that's why super high unemployment is widely regarded as a positive sign for a 'winning' economy!!

    9. Re:DirecTV by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I don't know about AT&T but if they're anything like my local Telco, they should be hiring people. Wind storm the other week wiped out most of the electric grid, Hydro had it fixed pretty quick, 3 days here, a couple of weeks in the more remote locations. Copper thieves hit here, a couple of days to restore service, and it's not like we had cell for backup. The other week they were telling people end of February before land lines or cell service restored.

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    10. Re:DirecTV by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Of course that's what naturally happens in many companies. Layoffs will happen even if a company is profitable. The issue here is that AT&T claimed it would generate more jobs if only the government could give them tax breaks. The moral here is to not believe the lies that corporations tell, especially if you're a politician, and that tax breaks won't necessarily save jobs.

    11. Re:DirecTV by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What you say is true, but I don't recall the Trumperor running on that basis. Or anyone else, to be fair.

      It was all about them thar chinkeys tekkin ur jerbs, wasn't it?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    12. Re:DirecTV by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It does! Any other explanation for the fact that when companies lay people off their shares go up?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    13. Re: DirecTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they do. They do it all the time when the ceo or his buddies stock options are up, and they want to juice the stock price.

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  8. Agile...agile.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...agile bullshit....would love to bitchslap the next CEO asshat that says that word...

    1. Re:Agile...agile.... by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

      Agile... when you don't want to waste the time or money doing a needs analysis, system sizing or process documentation - which leads to the need to redo over and over and over (aka "sprints") 'cause it never gets done right..

    2. Re: Agile...agile.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to be agile so you can pivot constantly. From a business perspective, agile is great. From a client and employee perspective, it always seemed idiotic to me because those are the two parties being screwed.

    3. Re: Agile...agile.... by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      If you need to constantly "pivot", you never understood the problem correctly to begin with

  9. Mammoth Debt... by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 4, Informative

    The poster fails to mention the $180B debt that at & t currently has and that as interest rates rise there's a substantial risk that the company could go bankrupt and need a bail out. They've already publicly committed to reducing their debt load by $20B in 2019. They'll probably need to do a lot more to survive the next big credit crunch.

    1. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bail out? Nah, the country would be way better off if we just auctioned off their assets to smaller companies would would take their place instead of subsidizing their bad behavior.

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      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    2. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, AT&T was already subjected to that fate, but then the parts seem to have reassembled themselves like the liquid metal robot from Terminator 2.

    3. Re: Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The T1000 has nothing on the monopolized market convergence lead to by capitalism, then stagnated by cronyism.

    4. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that debt sure doesn't stop them from giving their execs millions in bonuses per year. Cry me a river. They deserve to fail if they mismanage their shit.

    5. Re:Mammoth Debt... by imperious_rex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree. I checked their balance sheet for 2017 on Yahoo Finance (ticker symbol "T") and their current ratio is almost 1:1 (current assets to current liabilities). That's not good. A reasonably healthy company should have a current ratio of 2:1 or better. Somebody at AT&T has been abusing the company credit card. Too bad it's the rank and file employees who will suffer the pain of managment's ineptitude.

    6. Re:Mammoth Debt... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, AT&T was already subjected to that fate

      The AT&T that was broken up in 1984 was a DIFFERENT COMPANY.

      SBC bought the rights to the AT&T brand and logo in 2005.

      The heart of the original AT&T became Lucent Technologies, and then later Alcatel-Lucent, and I believe they are now part of Nokia.

    7. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, SBC was formed from most of the pieces AT&T was broken into.

    8. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope this doesn't effect FirstNet....

      https://www.firstnet.com/

    9. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, it's far more complicated than you represent. Lucent was only one blob spit out from what remained of the core post-breakup AT&T telecommunications company, which itself executed many other acquisitions and spinoffs before SBC bought them (the whole company, not just their name). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    10. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What should, can and will happen are not the same things.

    11. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would AT&T need a bail-out? It's employees might need some help to protect them and the government might need to step in to keep services running while the company is liquidated, but the world can do perfectly fine without "too big to fail" companies. In fact, being "too big to fail" should be a sign the company needs to break up.

    12. Re: Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cronyism is just pure unfiltered capitalism and I don't understand why you make a distinction.
       

    13. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thesis/antithesis. Disassemble/reassemble. Is a living, breathing thing, the real heartbeat of history. Stuff that matters and slithers.

    14. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an AT&T stock holder, they have hired some great financial advisory groups. Unfortunately, they do not follow the recommendations. Also year after year they ask for executive pay increases. I am yet to see any push in their publications for new fiber or otherwise. If it was not for the nice dividend I and somewhat consistent growth I would dump the stock.

      In my opinion this is desperately needed. Only hope they can the managers for sales and billing. I have only hate for those people.

    15. Re:Mammoth Debt... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Well, AT&T was already subjected to that fate, but then the parts seem to have reassembled themselves like the liquid metal robot from Terminator 2.

      I was thinking more like 80s cartoon robots :)

    16. Re:Mammoth Debt... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      AT&T has 250,000 employees. If they fail:

      • The bankruptcy filing will cancel common stock and shield them from debts;
      • Many creditors will get nothing, or take a loss;
      • The big preferred-stock shareholders may be legally-entitled to a pay-out;
      • Executives walk off with whatever golden parachutes and existing compensation they've already received;
      • The employees will become unemployed.

      The last two aren't interchangeable: executive mega-bonuses of a hundred million dollars divide up to around $400 per employee. These employees make thousands per month.

      Because of the efficiency of concentration of production, the shock will cause a demand reduction in concentrated areas where AT&T employs people. That will reduce the revenues of other businesses, eliminating the need for and the capacity to pay a number of employees. This cycles fractionally, eventually creating a multiplier of the original damage.

      That, in turn, means several local areas will face high poverty and unemployment, resulting in crime, higher operating costs, and failures of local businesses. This causes more unemployment, and further reduces liquidity and money in the local area, increasing localized recessions.

      In the end, even if the executives get zero bonuses, the employees get boned--and so do millions of people who don't even work for AT&T. Meanwhile the customers have to move to Verizon or T-Mobile, and we have to wait for the economy to turn over. These companies have localized operations in different geographical locations, and so the people who lose their jobs to AT&T's collapse may not be picked up by the recovery.

      This is why we have bail-outs.

    17. Re: Mammoth Debt... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Because it isn't the same. Cronyism is getting the politicians to pass laws to rig the market in your favor. Capitalism is creating a better mousetrap so that customer's choose your product over the competitors.

      Cronyism is indirect socialism, in that political favors take the place of consumer choice.

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    18. Re: Mammoth Debt... by larkost · · Score: 1

      Cronyism is not socialism. Socialism is when the state controls the "means of production" (a.k.a. Capital), nominally for the betterment of all.

      Cronyism is when individuals capture the power of the state to benefit themselves personally (and their associates... or cronies). Cronyism can me present in all forms of government that humans have yet tried. But the one most associated with it is Feudalism, where it is hard not to have it.

    19. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No TO SURVIVE THEIR TAKEOVERS. Let's be honest. ATT has typical anti competitive leadership that has bought whatever it can to eliminate competition.

      Your assertion of rising rates is questionable.

      LONG before a bailout would be required, any honest government would require them to sell off some parts of their recent purchases. So any talk of bailouts at this point is just FUCKING LYING THIEVES trying to get on the dole.

    20. Re:Mammoth Debt... by rkhalloran · · Score: 1

      Lucent is best mapped to the legacy Western Electric (manufacturing arm), AT&T kept the legacy landline LD service, Bell Labs and the quickly-defunct Computer Systems Group. The seven Regional Operating Companies went through M&A in the 90s/00s leaving Southwest Bell/SBC swallowing up Pac Bell, Ameritech and finally Bellsouth, picking up the rump AT&T operation in the process and taking Mother's name. Nynex & Bell Atlantic picked up the remnants of MCI Worldcom & became Verizon. Mountain Bell -> US West was bought out by Qwest during the dot-bubble and is now CenturyLink. New-AT&T and Verizon are each now major wireless providers. The current regulatory environment is not conducive to anything similar to the 80s breakup of the original Bell System. There'd have to be some major consumer fubar (serious service outage/security exposure) to trigger a repeat.

    21. Re:Mammoth Debt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please please please!

    22. Re: Mammoth Debt... by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      I've personally worked on tracing the stock when it was broken up to today, for cost basis reasons.
      I can tell you that some of the same people and assets came right back together again. It was like a vampire that was nearly dead but came back to life.

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  10. Economucks by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    They put the "down" in trickle-down.

  11. Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by Elfich47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Companies never plan their manpower needs based on tax breaks and incentives. Companies look at the work that needs to get done, the money they have, they billing they expect and from there decide how much manpower they need. These companies are not going to hire people to sit on their thumbs doing nothing. So if they have to much manpower, they layoff. Government tax breaks are not going to affect this process.

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    1. Re: Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You give them far too much credit on how they define manpower need. In theory you would be right but in practice it is more about meeting some fanciful minimal headcount metric assigned to them by Wall Street. The magical point where they are deemed as not wasting money on 'excess' costs where people with no knowledge of what the work load is are defining 'excess'.

    2. Re:Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Companies look at the work that needs to get done, the money they have, they billing they expect and from there decide how much manpower they need. These companies are not going to hire people to sit on their thumbs doing nothing. So if they have to much manpower, they layoff.

      I just have to ask if you were able to keep a straight face when you wrote this or did you just leave college?

      Somewhere along the chain of command, usually multiple levels, a managers power and/or renumeration depends on the number of projects or people that report to them. This leads to a survival of the fittest environment within the company with each manager looking to scoop up the next upcoming project along with the associated resources. Or, as in one company I was contracting at, where the number of people reporting to a manager determined their level, the manager just went out and hired butts to put on seats in order to give himself a promotion. Never mind thane of the new hires was a fresh out of university software engineer who couldn't actually turn on the computer when I asker them to. (So I guess you have done that step with the network people that I need done. Thanks.)

      And groupings of people get turned into silos where you don't want the system administrator to look at the networking stuff or the database stuff because it might step on their toes even though it might save them some time and effort.

    3. Re:Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is absolute BS when talking about AT&T. They are installers and premises technicians working forced 80 hour weeks because of the layoffs in the last few years. Cut executive jobs and pay and be solvent in no time

    4. Re: Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should tell the republicans that passed sweeping ridiculous tax rates for businesses under that premise then. When a multi-billion dollar company and multi-million/billionaires have effective tax rates lower than mine, something is broken.

    5. Re:Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, gov tax breaks CAN increase hiring. However, if you remember the write-ups on it, The GOP gave bigger tax breaks for OFF-SHORE work, not on-shore. Want jobs to remain in America? THen we need to do the same thing as other nations and apply taxes preferentially to local work.

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    6. Re: Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by ranton · · Score: 1

      You should tell the republicans that passed sweeping ridiculous tax rates for businesses under that premise then. When a multi-billion dollar company and multi-million/billionaires have effective tax rates lower than mine, something is broken.

      The politicians know it is bullshit, as most of them are at least reasonably educated. It's the voters they pander to to get elected who need to learn this.

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    7. Re:Manpower is never planned on tax breaks by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Except none of what is going on here has anything to do with "enough people". The layoffs are monetarily motivated. The corp needs more money to finance its debt and will get it by laying people off. Whether or not those people were needed for anything is not of concern. If they were needed, the corp will "suffer" until it has enough money to hire people again. If they were not needed, then BONUS! They also got rid of dead weight... but again, that is not why any of this occurring.

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  12. Re: Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ok.

    shlorpshlorpshlorpshlorpshlorpOH PAPI

    Now, hand over that address

  13. Debt debt debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Second time in a month that /. fails to think finances when it comes to corporate layoffs.

    - AT&T and other large companies borrowed large sums at low interest rates over the last few years for stock buybacks.
    - 2019 is a year with ~20 billion debt due for AT&T and little hope of refinancing it at rates anywhere near the current rate paid.
    - AT&T is rated just above junk status and a balance sheet slip would put it into junk status and drastically raise the cost to finance dept.
    - And many bond covenants have stipulations that the principle is paid faster if the company goes from investment grade rating to junk rating.

    It's easy to look at via FINRA how the company debt vs maturity is trading versus risk free US Treasury issues of similar maturity and coupon rates. Trading at rates well above treasuries is a sign that the bond market thinks the company balance sheet is in poor standing.

    A credit event like Long Term Capital Management, Lehman Brothers, etc would raise borrowing costs to 9% or higher per year and make it nearly impossible for AT&T to refinance its outstanding debt. Thus bankruptcy and likely like GM get bailed out by the US taxpayer with the nice for AT&T benefit of shifting its unfunded pension liabilities to the government run PBGC.

    The credit event would sink stocks and nearly all bonds except for US Treasury bonds; slow the economy, hurt free cash flow, .....

    1. Re:Debt debt debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      ... fails to think finances ...

      No, we're thinking that management should be dismissed too. It's unfair to sacrifice the front line so managers can repeat their mistakes.

    2. Re:Debt debt debt by dryeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps they shouldn't have borrowed money for stock buybacks. Wasn't that illegal not long ago?

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    3. Re:Debt debt debt by packrat0x · · Score: 1

      Their landline division has state granted monopolies in most of the USA. They legally have no landline competition within these areas, and they are losing most of these customers to death by old age.

         

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  14. Re:this is fucking stupid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says in the ToS for this site that children under 13 aren't supposed to use it with out permission from a parent. Why are you here?

  15. Good. by Fatmiko1 · · Score: 1

    Good. There are WAY too many people involved in this company that don't know how to operate in customer service. I'm convinced that no one in the company actually knows anyone else in the company. This exists on multiple levels, consumer/cell/business/fiber. Flashlights wouldn't help them finding their way through an email chain. It's embarrassing that one of the biggest companies in the world can't operate efficiently, OR provide their customers with a quality product, OR provide their customers with additional service to meet the demand (at full price, I'm not even trying to negotiate down here). Washed up, no clue, deal with it. They need a come to Jesus moment. It's unfortunate that they have such a stranglehold on the amount of markets that they do. Hell, their flagship consumer stores don't even answer the phone. This is a telecommunications company....

    1. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, their flagship consumer stores don't even answer the phone. This is a telecommunications company....

      I'm sure laying off more employees will fix that...

  16. Re: this is fucking stupid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I like to fuck older guys. PM me stud.

  17. Re:Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    $10,000 cash reward for the above person's real name and home address.

    No questions asked.

    Melania Trump, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington DC, 37188

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  18. The tax break was a joke by WindBourne · · Score: 0

    In particular, it gave more breaks for offshore operations, than on-shore. Yeah, Trump gave breaks on-shore, but bigger ones off.
    So, this was expected.

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  19. Re: Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comrade Major Lifeng Wang
    14 East Chang'an Street
    Dongcheng Qu
    Beijing
    People's Republic of China

  20. Re:Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move to other countries until you desire governance again. There are plenty of places you can find zero government intrusion into your life. Stop whining, get moving.

  21. AT&T Sucks by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    The staff reductions come despite billions in tax breaks and regulatory favors AT&T promised would dramatically boost both investment and job creation.

    I guess my area will never get U-verse. It's been over 10 years and I keep receiving advertisements for their U-verse service.

    But the best service I can get is their DSL at 6 Mbps for $40/mo.

    1. Re:AT&T Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your lucky. I cant even get dsl here. They maxed out their dslam years ago so only the first 16 houses got dsl

  22. Re:Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fruitdale Avenue, San Jose.

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  24. Executive Bonuses all around! by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Nice work by our Executive Capital Concentration and RIF-Bitch Realization Team. Bonuses for everyone. And remember to show that dour "gloom-and-doom" face for the media.

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  25. Re:Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should stop electing people who run on 'government doesn't work', because those people will then set out to prove it.

    You need to elect people who WANT government to work. Because those people will then work towards that goal.

  26. Yo Yo by no-body · · Score: 1

    The everlasting, yet to discover virus residing in human brains causing the never ending urge to collect $$'s or other considered wealth and power items - long list here omitted - by creating imaginary voids of various kinds to urgently fill without actual need and then to create more voids since it was futile as always requires probably extremely consequent and strong characters - is this Miller-something a type like that - anyway, time to hit the sack!

  27. Of course they are! by Chas · · Score: 1

    Any excuse to maximize their bottom line!

    Stupid cocksuckers...

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    1. Re:Of course they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any excuse to maximize their bottom line!

      Stupid cocksuckers...

      Why are you insulting stupid cocksuckers by comparing them to AT&T?

    2. Re:Of course they are! by Chas · · Score: 1

      You're right.

      Please forgive me my tresspass!

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  28. Re: Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    What's your alternative plan?

  29. Why not move out of NY and Washington DC? by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    A disappointing feature is the decision to concentrate there rather than to focus away from the overly expensive areas of NY and DC. This would help spread prosperity to other parts of the country.

  30. Re: Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by reiterate · · Score: 1

    Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.

  31. Re:Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    $10,000 cash reward for the above person's real name and home address.

    No questions asked.

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500

    Now, where's my cash?

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  32. Re:Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by stealth_finger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Move to other countries until you desire governance again. There are plenty of places you can find zero government intrusion into your life. Stop whining, get moving.

    I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.

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  33. Got to stop propping up these badly run companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private companies should not need incentives or government handouts to operate. That goes for Tesla, GM bailout, cushy tax breaks, or what ever else Local, State and Federal coffers feel they should hand out. Shouldn't a private company operate on their own, and if they fail they fail. Railroad's have had the luxury of subsides for decades and they still complain they can't make money, upgrade service, or maintain systems. Hey, maybe your not charging enough for your service?

  34. Re: Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He said no questions! You lose!
    You get nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

  35. Nope, not actually the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is that power will not let you complain about this. You will be a radical, a communist, a know-nothing idiot who wants us back in the stone age or to give all your wealth to you, you greedy bastard....

    The rhetoric is force fed to society. Same reason why society is "too stupid" to stop falling for religious woo (see the new agism bollocks, replacing christianity for those who find society able to let them stop falling for *christianity*, just not for woo "explanations").

    It isn't that society is TOO STUPID, it's that the power structure is forcing a propaganda war to stop you complaining.

    So you will blame the left, the right, the immigrants, the managers, the patriarchy, the SJWs, the blacks, the chinese, ANYONE but those who are running the propaganda because in a capitalist society money means power, so you cannot fight those with money, you cannot BLAME those with money. So you have to blame it on some other identifiable group. ANY group.

    And, having misdiagnosed the problem, any fixes done to that problem will not fix the actual issue, and so it spirals out of control and we "fall for it again".

    1. Re:Nope, not actually the problem by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      The problem is that power will not let you complain about this. You will be a radical, a communist, a know-nothing idiot who wants us back in the stone age or to give all your wealth to you, you greedy bastard....

      The rhetoric is force fed to society. Same reason why society is "too stupid" to stop falling for religious woo (see the new agism bollocks, replacing christianity for those who find society able to let them stop falling for *christianity*, just not for woo "explanations").

      It isn't that society is TOO STUPID, it's that the power structure is forcing a propaganda war to stop you complaining.

      So you will blame the left, the right, the immigrants, the managers, the patriarchy, the SJWs, the blacks, the chinese, ANYONE but those who are running the propaganda because in a capitalist society money means power, so you cannot fight those with money, you cannot BLAME those with money. So you have to blame it on some other identifiable group. ANY group.

      And, having misdiagnosed the problem, any fixes done to that problem will not fix the actual issue, and so it spirals out of control and we "fall for it again".

      Although I'm not a liberal I think one of the greatest slogans in recent times is "we are the 99%". I suspect that you like that notion too. However the 99% includes a great many Christians, a majority of white people, SJWs, both AntiFa and Nazis, and just about everything else under the sun. I don't like everyone in that mix however I have to put my dislike aside if the notion of stopping the 1% from taking everything is to be achieved. I mention this because the sooner we can keep the 1% from dividing us the sooner we can get some economic justice. So if you want to not 'fall for it again' stop making fun of Christians and keep your eye on the ball of economic justice. Neither the R nor D party in it's current form will get us there, so there's a lot of work to do.

    2. Re:Nope, not actually the problem by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Agreed with you and the GP but isn't the 1%, the 1% includes the top end professions which work their asses off to overachieve like engineers, doctors, lawyers (jokes aside), yes even middle management and sales people.

      There are over 300,000,000 people in this country, using a value of 100th's is all about masking out the real divisions. The 1% are only part of the problem in that they are overtaxed and punished. They include all the people who really did work harder and earn their place looking at all the slackers around them. They also include the children of those who did so a few generations back.

      The issue isn't the 1%, the issue is the top 0.1% by wealth not income and those who control an equivalent amount of wealth in any corporation.

    3. Re:Nope, not actually the problem by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Agreed with you and the GP but isn't the 1%, the 1% includes the top end professions which work their asses off to overachieve like engineers, doctors, lawyers (jokes aside), yes even middle management and sales people.

      There are over 300,000,000 people in this country, using a value of 100th's is all about masking out the real divisions. The 1% are only part of the problem in that they are overtaxed and punished. They include all the people who really did work harder and earn their place looking at all the slackers around them. They also include the children of those who did so a few generations back.

      The issue isn't the 1%, the issue is the top 0.1% by wealth not income and those who control an equivalent amount of wealth in any corporation.

      I agree with you also that 'we are the 99.5%' is probably more accurate but the simplicity of 'we are the 99%' is awesome. It would be OK to have the tax rate dependent on a mix of income and assets (ie wealth). If I were emperor for a day I'd tax the hell out of trust funds, implement a wealth tax on anything that people might actually want (ie land, housing) and let the uber rich instead spend their money bidding up non-essentials like collectibles and art, and put in a heavy handed inheritance tax. Plus I'd use the NSA to track tax cheats. That coupled with a death penalty for tax cheats >$50 million and a mere 30 day grace period to come clean. I'd have the national debt paid off in no time :-)

  36. Re: Nope. I meant those "basic" services, too. by fortfive · · Score: 1

    What do you think property is?

  37. ZERO loopholes were closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And more loopholes were added. Ones that benefitted him because it allowed more cash to be funneled through alternatives to salary, reducing the "wage" and therefore the income tax on it.

    Try getting into reality. Even though it scares you, comforting lies just make you look like an ignorant asshole.

    1. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think there is a silent whoosh going over this AC's head......

    2. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the whoosh is going over your head. The big thing about the tax cuts is the billions in cuts to rich people and big multinational corporations. You and your children get to pay back the big deficit in either higher taxes or much lower benefits (from Medicare to FBI agents working on cases).

    3. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you need to learn to recognize sarcasm, otherwise you look like an ignorant asshole.

    4. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      It was dry sarcasm but sarcasm nonetheless.

      Really did need the /s

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    5. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      /s is now mandatory as there are people who will unironically endorse the most stupid position.

      People can't do a background check to determine sarcasm and apparently someone has a team of monkeys typing comments on Slashdote.

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    6. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      No, the whoosh is still yours. You were arguing with an obviously sarcastic post:

      "Actually, "Tax Reform" under Trump did manage to close loopholes that allowed teachers to write off school supplies. For opponents of "Big Teach" this could be considered a big win."

      You were "correcting" the attitude of someone by preaching the same stance they were already taking.

    7. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol.. more made up BS

    8. Re:ZERO loopholes were closed. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      "Big Teach" wasn't enough of a giveaway?

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  38. They don't need any of the C*O posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without them they MAY be eventually a little less efficient, but they don't need those jobs AT ALL.

    So why not just remove them? That would save millions upon millions, possibly even up to the billion when you include the cost of keeping those scroungers busy flying to meetings, company perks, secretarial staff, stock options and golden parachute options.

  39. Blame democrat party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democrat party has taken over controll of House and that means MASSIVE tax raises, already they are talk about 70-80 percent tax for everyone. So if you make 30000$ a year, Democrat party will demand you hand over 25000$ to them! No wonder the AT&T is not doing well, Democrat party has been in power agan for just a few days and economy is already for failing.

    1. Re: Blame democrat party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn.

  40. AT&T is a bloated sack of decay by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I hate to say it, because people are hurt, but AT&T is a mess. It has become so big that it is rotting out from the inside. It needs to shed staff and sell off entire divisions. It is so big that it can't coordinate it's own actions. Hell, it can't even provide its own people with accurate internal phone directories. It's a phone company that doesn't know its own numbers, has 3 separate and uncoordinated TV services competing with each other, keeps gobbling up other bloated and dying companies outside it's core competency, can't provide decent support, and can't do anything in a timely fashion.

    AT&T is broken. It is too big to function. It is too big to survive.

    1. Re:AT&T is a bloated sack of decay by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps but the layoffs will do nothing to correct this. The layoffs are meant to reduce costs. By reducing costs AT&T can funnel more money to investors, as opposed to back into the company to improve operations. So no, this move is not meant to improve the business.

    2. Re:AT&T is a bloated sack of decay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, my DSL modem died Friday night at 10PM and they had a technician out to replace it at 8:30 Saturday morning...

      But in general yes I agree that they are too big for their own good. The general corporate pendulum is swinging back towards total vertical integration so now we have companies like AT&T and Verizon trying to be ISPs, Content Providers / Streaming Companies, Cable Companies, and everything else under the sun, all under one umbrella of generic management that are not experts in any of the 'core competencies.'

      ISPs should be ISPs
      Streaming Companies should be Streaming Companies
      TV Providers should be TV Providers
      Google should just die.

    3. Re:AT&T is a bloated sack of decay by sabbede · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. But that doesn't change the fact that the company is far too big and bureaucratic to operate effectively. I have a feeling though that they won't be shedding the right employees, more likely it's the ones they actually need being discarded.

  41. What AT&T is ( likely ) doing by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This entire process is about the stupid amount of debt AT&T is now holding due to the recent buying spree it has been on as of late.

    Here's a passage that isn't in the original story:

    " It's critical for us to bring employees together to increase the pace of innovation and further develop the right skills in a more open, flexible and efficient work environment. Therefore, our collaboration zones and hub cities become even more integral. "

    I read that as the whole " Office 2.0 " bullshit where your workspace is shared with everyone else. They like to claim " collaboration " but, in reality, they're just being cheap.

    " further develop the right skills " is downright laughable as AT&T considers training an expense vs an investment. This is why you have the service you do because NO ONE is trained in how to do their job anymore so everyone basically wings it as best they can. Corporate will deny it, but ask any normal employee the last time they saw any standard / formal training* in regards to how to do their job and they will likely tell you Ed Whittacre was still the CEO.

    *Some of you will question why this is needed, but remember new hardware arrives all the time. It's akin to being fluent in Cisco for years and they plop a Juniper down in front of you and say " make it work, we're shifting everything new over to Juniper ". When you put critical or customer traffic on this, it's rather important to know what you're doing. ( In my opinion anyway )

    Another thing the original story is unaware of is the fact that AT&T is looking at all the real estate it owns ( and it's quite a bit ) to determine if any given building can be shut down and sold off. Basically, if the building doesn't contain enough critical infrastructure for serving the area it resides within, there's a good chance it's on the list. If it contains just a call center, there's a good chance it's already been sold. Their real estate is worth quite a bit and is probably the most efficient method of raising capitol needed to pay down that debt.

    I say enough because there are several buildings that are already on the list to be vacated that DO contain systems that have to be moved before it can be sold. These buildings are basically regional locations where network connections across the State consolidate at the distribution layer. All of these connections have to be moved onto new architecture ( in progress ) and each location has a desired timeline for completion. We're talking hundreds and possibly thousands of sites that are fed from these locations that have to be moved. It will take a considerable amount of time ( several years ), money and people to complete.

    The problem is, if they continue to slash headcount, they're not going to have enough people left to do the work required to meet those deadlines. As it stands today, with the current headcount, those deadlines are already in trouble. Telling them this tends to fall on deaf ears. Guess they'll figure it out when the deadlines come and go.

    What tends to irk me most is:

    They keep buying shit with money they don't have. ( DirecTv / Time Warner )
    The money AT&T WASTED on the failed T-Mobile merger was ~$5B
    The money AT&T wastes on stupid shit like " Stadium Naming Rights " and the like
    An executives yearly bonus is more than a non-executive type makes their entire LIFE

    Yet, laying people off is their go to answer for saving money :|

    1. Re:What AT&T is ( likely ) doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T is the US's second largest real estate holder behind the federal government.

  42. So ban stock buy backs by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they're primarily used to boost the price so that the CEOs get a big paycheck since their bonuses are tied to (and often paid in) stock. This is _exactly_ why stock buy backs were illegal (until Reagan made them legal).

    Folks like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders would be happy to do this if we'd give them more left wing colleges in congress. But these are "Job killing regulations" right? Except that what's really killing jobs is that we let the ruling class gamble with all the money in the country and when they go bust they come out smelling like roses.

    I don't think we can let them go bust, either. We're in a hostage situation and always will be without government oversight. We need new rules to protect jobs. To wit:

    1. Ban Stock Buy backs.
    2. Require public companies to have 50% employee representation on their board of directors or they don't get a charter (and the protections therein).
    3. Bring back Glass-Stegal.
    4. Undo Bush Jr's commodities market deregulation. Make folks who buy commodities take possession of them so they can't skim 10% off our food supply.

    There's lots more. Liz Warren has a fairly comprehensive anti-corruption law she wants to enact.

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    1. Re:So ban stock buy backs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Share repurchase / stock buybacks were illegal and prohibited until Bill Clinton passed a law allowing them.

      I also read that land line phones have gone from 90+ percent to less than 50 percent during 2004-2017 years - https://www.statista.com/chart/2072/landline-phones-in-the-united-states/

  43. But do not worry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Executives will get their bonuses!

  44. Trumpy by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Trump's economy.

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  45. Somalia is a failed Communist State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Somalia is a leftist hell hole.

    Somalia was a single-party, Big Government, centrally planned State run according to "scientific" Communism.

    Naturally, it failed.

    It's not surprising that a culture based on violent coercion produced warlords to fill the power vacuum after the fall (yet again) of a communist regime.

    Nevertheless, some ancient tribal trading rules re-emerged; because they are quasi-capitalist, they've allowed the quality of life of the Somalian people to begin to rise, even surpassing the quality of life experienced by the neighboring peoples who live under "stable" governments. This includes food resources and mobile phone technology.

    1. Re:Somalia is a failed Communist State by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      So you'd prefer Haiti or Honduras as they are free-market hell holes. Got it.

      Personally, I'd prefer a socialist hell-hole like Iceland, but I'm sure they aren't taking Americans as refugees because; "Hounded by AT&T billing department" isn't enough of a tyranny for them.

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  46. Property is an agreement; enforcement is voluntary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Property is only that which you can successfully defend, but you're going to have a really hard time maintaining that defense unless you can get the other people around you to agree that it's your property.

    So, in the end, property is an agreement; that agreement is made in advance of interaction (i.e., it is contractual), The enforcement of this agreement is also voluntary, because such enforcement is part of that agreement.

    So, people will either interact with you according to a well defined agreement, or they will interact with you without a well defined agreement. Well defined behavior is safe, but poorly defined behavior is very dangerous, because the ramifications are also poorly defined; agreement tends to be profitable, while a lack of agreement tends to be unprofitable or even anti-profitable. This asymmetry gives rise to Civilized society.

    Do you get it yet?

  47. Far be it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Far be it from me to back big corps but the post is misleading. AT&T weren't specifically given special tax breaks. Every corp in the land got them. Whether they choose to lay off folks is up to them.

    1. Re:Far be it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far be it, yet here the fuck you are swallowing that cock all the way to the balls.

  48. Aragorn's corporate code by epine · · Score: 1

    Aragorn: Show them no mercy, for you shall receive none.

    Corporations might promise the moon in exchange for tax breaks, but they'll never deliver: they are going to rationalize no matter what. If they convince you otherwise, it's because your cloudy Palantir has not yet detected the enemy's secret plan.

    Or, you're a politician and you're embedded deep in the corporate kimono already, and you're just pretending to have a myopic Palantir, but in truth cash-on-the-barrel is 20-20.

  49. Re:Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by LazarusQLong · · Score: 1

    Melania would make a much better president than the orangutan we elected to the job in 2016!

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  50. Why!? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Why are we giving huge tax breaks to corporations only for them to turn around and lay off people? The answer is a sarcastic, "Because corporations ...." More corporate wealthcare I guess.

  51. It's not a slippery slope argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As suggested here, the argument is that government itself is a monopoly, and the indeed the worse form of monopoly: A government doesn't grow organically through voluntary trade, but is instead imposed violently at the point of a gun.

    So, the idea is not that you are sliding toward a bad thing, but rather that government is inherently a bad thing. A government is a dumb man's way of allocating resources. a dumb man thinks there is such thing as Intelligent Design, while a wise man realizes that a complex system requires Evolution by Variation and Selection, the most robust and humane form of which is a free market (interaction according to contracts, the enforcement of which is necessarily voluntary by virtue of being specified in the contract, and which is just a service like any other in society).

    The only way to combat tyranny is a separation of powers; the only way to combat tyranny is competition.

    1. Re:It's not a slippery slope argument by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A government doesn't grow organically through voluntary trade, but is instead imposed violently at the point of a gun.

      Interesting.

      Over here we elect them.

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  52. So, you'd prefer an almost purely White country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys always point to the whitest countries as your examples of success (and, incidentally, to the blackest countries as your examples of failure).

  53. It`s obvious!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they fire 7000 people, then those people needs new jobs... Right? So that's 7000 new jobs that were created elsewhere by the layoffs.

    So, layoffs = new jobs!

    THIS is how these corporations thinks.

  54. pension obligations too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgot to mention that the expected slow growth on stocks will reduce the funding portion of AT&T's pension obligations.

    My guess, without looking at the company annual report is that AT&T is assuming 7+ percent stock market increases forever and an inflation rate of 1.5% and a stagnant life expectancy - all of which understate the pension obligations.

    Slashing lots of workers, selling off unused real-estate and then doing an IBM move of 'work together is better' to get many people to quit early with reduced retirement is a way to shore up a balance sheet.

    Still waiting on AT&T to sell off parts of its pension to Prudential like IBM did a year or two back.

    I expect a president somewhere sometime to move entire cabinet departments from the DC area to small-town North Dakota to get tens of thousands of bureaucrats to retire. That's a way to fix the imbalance where 25% of federal budget money is spent within 100 miles of Washington DC - probably the largest geographic subsidy ever in existence.

  55. fuck off republitard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullpussy. OP was correct, ya disingenuous prick. It was REAGAN'S SEC that made the practice legal. Is there really nothing you guys won't try to pin on the Democrats? I have no indications that Clinton had shit to do with stock buybacks during his presidency. Your boi did this. Put up or shut up.

  56. You vote to take other people's resources. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Politicians bribe you with other people's money.

    You're not just peacefully voting; you're selecting winners and losers at the point of a gun.

  57. Re:Moscow Donald Preps for Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still sore your Queen was denied here throne, huh?

    You are filth.