One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes... An aside I feel is related I can't remember the last time I had a good meaningful conversation with a group of friends or even one on one. Hell, even meaningless conversation with depth seems to have left.
I love it when someone gives me a reason to like being old enough to remember when phones were tied to walls and had no user ID.
I'm old enough to remember those. Hell, I even had a phone that had a dialing wheel instead of buttons.
Anyone who doesn't remember the sound of pulse dialing needs to get off my lawn.
Basically, Apple didn't want to have another year without a "built-in" turn-by-turn solution, even if the new one is buggy for some users. Another reason for making it a core app (that I haven't seen others state) is that it means all iPhone 4S and 5 users can simply fire up Siri and say, "Take me to 123 Fake St.", and it will work the same (well, it will once they fix the issues) on everyone's phone. That's a big selling point, as at this time, apps from the App Store don't work with Siri--not even Apple-made apps.
Sorry, but the article is crap, Gruber is a well known apologist.
I've used the IOS 6 mapping application. The problem is not the application the problem is the data (as has been stated before, Apple wrote the maps application in previous iterations of IOS but used Google's data). The application performed as expected, I cant complain about that but the data, where to begin.
In Australia, IOS Maps has some serious rectification issues (this is why some points end up in the wrong location, Lat/Long is probably correct but the map does not account for the curvature of the earth correctly) train stations weren't even on the tracks. IOS Maps navigation algorithm produces some very odd results and unlike Google, doesn't take into account the traffic conditions. Also the time estimates were way off, worst than the 10-20% that Google's estimates are off. Point of Interest (POI) database is woeful, I asked it for the nearest ATM, it gave me one 6 KM away, there was an ATM in the pub we were in and a CBA branch with an ATM across the road, Google Maps found both.
Apple needs to do a crapload of work on its data and rectification. But much I dont think they will do anything drastic any time soon much like Siri which cant understand Australian accents nor find anything in Australia (yelp is fucking useless here) one year on. I don't think Apple knows just how much work they need to do, but they don't have to worry either with apologists like Gruber out there.
I'm loving the new Apple maps, at least here in the US. Seems to have no problem finding addresses, and features spoken, turn by turn instructions. Used them extensively this weekend. Huge upgrade over the old Google maps.
We had an Iphone user say this last night, all six of us tried to find our houses, 1 success out of 6 (it put my house in a river) and 4 out of six of us were GIS analysts. After that i asked it to find me the nearest ATM, it said 6 KM away. I looked across the street at the CBA ATM flabbergasted.
IOS maps is truly terribad despite what you want to believe. Serious rectification issues (rectification info is public knowledge), very poor knowledge of local topology (which is freely available in my state) and a very limited database of points of interest (POI). If I want to find a petrol station, I use google maps and it even gives me the price of petrol. IOS maps cant even find an ATM that's right in front of me.
BTW, I can still make my sisters Iphone4 lose signal by holding it, your opinion on "antennagate", you're holding it wrong.
Google has only recently been competing with them.
Previously Google was competing with the likes of ESRI, Map Info and other GIS packages and Google didn't come anywhere close in terms of functionality or product maturity (yes, every GIS analyst who reads this is laughing their head off about me calling ArcMap mature) but were a metric crapload cheaper.
Google Maps/Earth also still does more than TomTom, Garmin et al... Just not for the average user.
So I reiterate: There should be no criminal penalties on any speech, information, or data transmitted from anyone, to anyone. What else ya got?
So, why did you have sex with over 50 six year old boys.
You have to accept that people need to be held accountable for what they say, otherwise you're a paedophile (I don't need to prove you're a paedo seeing as I can never be punished for saying anything, even when it's deliberately false and malicious, I just need to repeat it enough times ( you paedophile) so that other people believe it. See "the big lie").
So, given your sordid history of kiddy fiddling, Do you not think that the founding fathers considered the "Fire in a crowded theatre" clause when codifying free speech in the US?
BTW, your nickname is quite appropriate Mr Senile.
Of course in those days, Asian, Indian and Arab migrants need not apply. We had laws about that, read your history bro.
You're taking my sarcasm a bit seriously, yep we've always had problems and whilst White Australia wasn't as bad as the excesses of other countries, it still wasn't good.
Ever since I was 5 years old, the local racists club has been telling me that s/Asian/Indian/Arabs/ were taking over The Country(TM). Soon there wont be any jerbs for Decent Honest White People(TM). My dad was told the same things about Greeks and Italians when he was young, my grandma said it was the Irish who were targeted in her day. Its the same old bollocks, only the races they hate have changed. We've been "5 years" away from disaster for whites for the last 26 years, I didn't believe it as a kid, I still don't believe it as an adult.
But, I think in Australia its become a lot more acceptable to be openly racist in recent years. People are wearing those "Fuck off, were full" stickers with pride and no-ones telling them how much of a knob they look like.
Really, the point of requiring notification would be to 'encourage' appropriate use of this kind of data access. If people who are engaged in perfectly acceptable activities (like organising political protests, or just living their lives) started receiving notifications you can be certain attention would be directed to the issue quickly.
I agree but it will create another overhead in the public service. Hell, they'll create an entire department for this kind of oversight, I've worked in the Australian Public Service.
Frankly, I think that the law should be such that all of this data is not available without a warrant, and that those organisations should be forced to put forward a good case for why it is otherwise. Furthermore, I think that if this data is accessed (or a wiretap is performed) then after a period of time (3 months? 6 maybe?) the relevant agency should be required to notify me that the data was accessed, unless either the investigation is ongoing, or they are in the process of pressing charges. If my call listing is accessed, and no action against me follows, then why shouldn't I know it was accessed?
I agree with you about the warrant part. But the requirement to notify you will inhibit law enforcement. Cases against bikies have evidence collection phases that stretch into years, literally millions of lines of transcribed conversation. Of course the defense gets access to all of this prior to the case, if you get charged, you and your counsel have a right to see the evidence arrayed against you.
But yes, what data is collected should be available by an FOI request.
I seriously doubt we're actually being snooped on any less. When the watching is constant by certain agencies it no longer shows up as a separate look.
Nope, this is a standard media beat up of the current govt. Not based in reality, uses vauge statistics in deliberately misleading manner.
Technically, when a car dealer checks my credit file when I apply for finance, they are performing a warrentless check of private data... despite the fact I've given them permission. I love the fact the Age does not differentiate between
ASIO, AFP, Defence,
and
the Tax Office, Immigration, Citizenship, Health, Ageing, and Medicare.
A hell of a lot of those checks will be done by the ATO (Australian Tax Office) as investigations against tax cheats. Your bank records are protected by law.
But by all means, let the Australia bashing continue.
No, they have an absurd system where the car needs to pass an inspection every 2 year
Outrageous. In Europe, cars get inspected every year (with a two year exemption for new cars) [YMMW, haven't checked all countries, etc pp., E&OE]
throw in compulsory auto insurance
compulsory insurance? The devils!
What this also insures is that there is never an unsafe or rust bucket type car on the road.
And that's a bad thing why?
Its very different in Japan, there are a lot of taxes on cars, a lot more than in the UK. You can buy a 500 Pound beater as long as its still registered you can drive it. Insurance costs a bit in the UK for younger drivers. You cant buy a mid 2000's car in Japan and have a reasonable expectation to be able to use it on a daily basis.
Comparing the situation in Japan to the situation in Europe, I don't think you actually understand how bad the situation is in Japan, the system is designed to discourage people from owning cars.
In the US we have our "Red Necks" which come in assorted flavors including "Shit Kickers", "Skin Heads", "Hill Billies" and "Hard Hats". We here actually have a bit of a warm spot for our Protohominid brethren, and though "Red Neck" is a pejorative, its usually said with a smile. For example there is the entire catalog of Red Neck jokes to be enjoyed by our country's favorite Red Neck Comedian, Jeff Foxworthy.
So I guess that makes us alike in one more way, we have our Bogans too.
I think every country has a word for them, Bogan in Australia, Redneck in the US, Chav in England. It's used in the same way.
My comment was mostly in jest though but there's an element of truth to it.
Also, not all Bogans are that bad. In fact I'd say most aren't.
I'm an immigrant to Australia and have not found what you say to be the case. I have been welcomed warmly and made to feel a part of the county. I will admit that as an American immigrating to Australia I have not faced the kinds of social adjustments that others might have. As a rule Australia is a very easy nation for Americans to fit into and to find they way in. The culture and traditions of Australia as so similar to that of North America that as an American I hardly feel that I have left behind much of anything of my homeland.
Steady on mate, it's sarcasm.
"Taking the piss" out of ones self is an Aussie tradition.
...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.
It's certainly true of the large breweries. The micro brews (which are extremely common now days) are much better; although they're also much more expensive.
Whilst I've had some US specialty beers and they are very nice, I've also had German and Belgian specialty beers which blow them completely out of the water.
In this regard you aren't comparing like to like, Europe and Australia you can get mass produced beers that are quite good (you've got crap ones like VB, but no-one with half a taste bud drinks those), it's a whole other level if you go to specialty brewers.
The point I am making is that in the UK, Oz or most of Europe I can walk into any bar and be reasonably assured they have a decent beer on tap even if they only have mass produced beers. The same is not true in the US.
P.S. not joking about the US specialty beers being quite nice.
Vodka is better than beer. It gives a nice warm kick and you don't need to go piss all the time.
Scotch (or even a decent bourbon) does the same thing and actually has some complexity. Vodka is too sterile and lifeless for me... it's good in drinks but I can't imagine drinking it straight.
I agree with you on Scotch and Bourbon, but not with Vodka. If you're experience is only with the cheap arse Smirnoff vodka I can imagine why you feel that way but just like Scotch a decent vodka is great to drink straght. A good straight liquor doesn't burn on the way down, good vodka is like this and has more a more subtle flavour than Scotch it can be easily mixed with other flavours such as fruits, coffee, and butterscotch to name a few.
Living in Western Australia there are a few specialty distillers around here that produce some very good quality vodkas that is a crime to mix.
There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.
Beer tastes good (well, not Budweiser - but real beers), you have to mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable.
You simply haven't had good Vodka.
Vodka is like whiskey, good whiskey does not need to be mixed, crap whiskey should never be drunk straight. I think this is true for most spirits.
That cheap arse bottle of Smirnoff is not good vodka. Neither is Absolut.
Or you could get a Toyota Avalon, and do standard maintenance... 220,000 miles and nothing has ever gone wrong. I've got all those things you don't have and it still works like a champ. Could the real problem be American planned obsolescence? Just a thought.
The problem with that is a well maintained Toyota Avalon is still a Toyota Avalon.
BTW, Toyota doesn't have to plan obsolescence, the Japanese government has legislated it for them. It gets expensive to keep old cars in Japan.
Australia is a nation built on immigration and welcomes those who aspire to the Australian way of life, in the same way as the Puritans, Unitarians, Amish and other religious folks left Europe for the American Colonies all those centuries ago, rather than fighting tooth and nail for religious freedom in the countries of their birth. Conversely, guys like Rupert Murdoch and Mel Gibson are also welcome to fuck off at their own pleasure.
American born Australians are welcome to participate and integrate fully into Australian public life, we even had an American born Premier of New South Wales recently.
This is the Australia of the past, where the displaced Greeks and Itailians came in droves after the war, the 10 pound poms after them seeking a better life on our fair shores. All this started turning around in the 80s as demonstrated in the documentary Romper Stomper.
The Australia of today is a very different place where immigrants are treated with disgust and suspicion, the evil brown people are accused of turking jerbs, you're told to Fit In or Fuck Off, because all the immigrants need to Fuck Off Were Full, or so the stickers on the back of chevrodores keep telling us. I mean how can the Bogan have 3 kids and if we're that full. How can the Bogan afford his jet ski and McMansion if the Abbos keep taking all his tax money, after deduction he's already taxed at 20% which barely pays for the money the government gives him for child care.
How is the Bogan supposed to drink a bottle of Jimmy and threaten to "smash" everyone on his stumble home if this keeps happening. Wont someone think of the Bogan?
The Iranians I've met buck the trend with Islam in general -- they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education.
You should also try meeting Indonesian, Malay, Thai and Brunai Muslims.
That's most of the Muslim world right there so you'll quickly realise that they are the trend and the stereotypes perpetuated by the likes of Fox News are the Muslims that buck the trend.
Asian Muslims tend to be extremely moderate and well educated, not to mention quite friendly (as is typical of SE Asian culture in general).
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One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes... An aside I feel is related I can't remember the last time I had a good meaningful conversation with a group of friends or even one on one. Hell, even meaningless conversation with depth seems to have left.
I love it when someone gives me a reason to like being old enough to remember when phones were tied to walls and had no user ID.
I'm old enough to remember those. Hell, I even had a phone that had a dialing wheel instead of buttons.
Anyone who doesn't remember the sound of pulse dialing needs to get off my lawn.
I talk to people in queues
Well stop that.
I hate people talking to me in queues, I always get the crazy ones.
This article has a good rundown of why Apple didn't want to wait another year: http://daringfireball.net/2012/09/get_the_fainting_chair
Basically, Apple didn't want to have another year without a "built-in" turn-by-turn solution, even if the new one is buggy for some users. Another reason for making it a core app (that I haven't seen others state) is that it means all iPhone 4S and 5 users can simply fire up Siri and say, "Take me to 123 Fake St.", and it will work the same (well, it will once they fix the issues) on everyone's phone. That's a big selling point, as at this time, apps from the App Store don't work with Siri--not even Apple-made apps.
Sorry, but the article is crap, Gruber is a well known apologist.
I've used the IOS 6 mapping application. The problem is not the application the problem is the data (as has been stated before, Apple wrote the maps application in previous iterations of IOS but used Google's data). The application performed as expected, I cant complain about that but the data, where to begin.
In Australia, IOS Maps has some serious rectification issues (this is why some points end up in the wrong location, Lat/Long is probably correct but the map does not account for the curvature of the earth correctly) train stations weren't even on the tracks. IOS Maps navigation algorithm produces some very odd results and unlike Google, doesn't take into account the traffic conditions. Also the time estimates were way off, worst than the 10-20% that Google's estimates are off. Point of Interest (POI) database is woeful, I asked it for the nearest ATM, it gave me one 6 KM away, there was an ATM in the pub we were in and a CBA branch with an ATM across the road, Google Maps found both.
Apple needs to do a crapload of work on its data and rectification. But much I dont think they will do anything drastic any time soon much like Siri which cant understand Australian accents nor find anything in Australia (yelp is fucking useless here) one year on. I don't think Apple knows just how much work they need to do, but they don't have to worry either with apologists like Gruber out there.
As I understand it, the old Maps app used Google's data but was still made by Apple. Google now needs to make their own app from scratch.
Google's made an application and submitted it to the app store.
It's awaiting approval by the iCensors.
I wonder how long its going to take Apple to release IOS maps for Android.
Yelp wont find shit outside the US, where most of the worlds population lives.
This is what makes Siri a laughing stock, well that and it cant understand any accent except American.
But if you really find you cannot use Apple maps, there are other alternatives:
Bookmark maps.google.com
That's what every IOS 6 user I know has done considering IOS maps cant even find their office.
We had an Iphone user say this last night, all six of us tried to find our houses, 1 success out of 6 (it put my house in a river) and 4 out of six of us were GIS analysts. After that i asked it to find me the nearest ATM, it said 6 KM away. I looked across the street at the CBA ATM flabbergasted.
IOS maps is truly terribad despite what you want to believe. Serious rectification issues (rectification info is public knowledge), very poor knowledge of local topology (which is freely available in my state) and a very limited database of points of interest (POI). If I want to find a petrol station, I use google maps and it even gives me the price of petrol. IOS maps cant even find an ATM that's right in front of me.
BTW, I can still make my sisters Iphone4 lose signal by holding it, your opinion on "antennagate", you're holding it wrong.
Other than Bing, MapQuest, TomTom, Garmin, iGo?
Google has only recently been competing with them.
Previously Google was competing with the likes of ESRI, Map Info and other GIS packages and Google didn't come anywhere close in terms of functionality or product maturity (yes, every GIS analyst who reads this is laughing their head off about me calling ArcMap mature) but were a metric crapload cheaper. Google Maps/Earth also still does more than TomTom, Garmin et al... Just not for the average user.
"There are thousands of different metrics which one could use to measure success. If you're free to pick and choose which one to use after the fact, "
So what else do you think a company cares about besides profit and stock price?
Market share, long term growth, revenue, return customers v new customers.
It's a very stupid company that only measures profit and share price, I guess this is why so many US companies are in dire straights.
So I reiterate: There should be no criminal penalties on any speech, information, or data transmitted from anyone, to anyone. What else ya got?
So, why did you have sex with over 50 six year old boys.
You have to accept that people need to be held accountable for what they say, otherwise you're a paedophile (I don't need to prove you're a paedo seeing as I can never be punished for saying anything, even when it's deliberately false and malicious, I just need to repeat it enough times ( you paedophile) so that other people believe it. See "the big lie").
So, given your sordid history of kiddy fiddling, Do you not think that the founding fathers considered the "Fire in a crowded theatre" clause when codifying free speech in the US? BTW, your nickname is quite appropriate Mr Senile.
Of course in those days, Asian, Indian and Arab migrants need not apply. We had laws about that, read your history bro.
You're taking my sarcasm a bit seriously, yep we've always had problems and whilst White Australia wasn't as bad as the excesses of other countries, it still wasn't good.
Ever since I was 5 years old, the local racists club has been telling me that s/Asian/Indian/Arabs/ were taking over The Country(TM). Soon there wont be any jerbs for Decent Honest White People(TM). My dad was told the same things about Greeks and Italians when he was young, my grandma said it was the Irish who were targeted in her day. Its the same old bollocks, only the races they hate have changed. We've been "5 years" away from disaster for whites for the last 26 years, I didn't believe it as a kid, I still don't believe it as an adult.
But, I think in Australia its become a lot more acceptable to be openly racist in recent years. People are wearing those "Fuck off, were full" stickers with pride and no-ones telling them how much of a knob they look like.
Really, the point of requiring notification would be to 'encourage' appropriate use of this kind of data access. If people who are engaged in perfectly acceptable activities (like organising political protests, or just living their lives) started receiving notifications you can be certain attention would be directed to the issue quickly.
I agree but it will create another overhead in the public service. Hell, they'll create an entire department for this kind of oversight, I've worked in the Australian Public Service.
Frankly, I think that the law should be such that all of this data is not available without a warrant, and that those organisations should be forced to put forward a good case for why it is otherwise. Furthermore, I think that if this data is accessed (or a wiretap is performed) then after a period of time (3 months? 6 maybe?) the relevant agency should be required to notify me that the data was accessed, unless either the investigation is ongoing, or they are in the process of pressing charges. If my call listing is accessed, and no action against me follows, then why shouldn't I know it was accessed?
I agree with you about the warrant part. But the requirement to notify you will inhibit law enforcement. Cases against bikies have evidence collection phases that stretch into years, literally millions of lines of transcribed conversation. Of course the defense gets access to all of this prior to the case, if you get charged, you and your counsel have a right to see the evidence arrayed against you.
But yes, what data is collected should be available by an FOI request.
Wish I had mod points...
Although I'm not sure which way I'd mod you - I laughed and groaned at the same time.
Mod down. Clearly GP is doing more ARM than good.
Dont you think that's a bit of a RISC
I seriously doubt we're actually being snooped on any less. When the watching is constant by certain agencies it no longer shows up as a separate look.
Nope, this is a standard media beat up of the current govt. Not based in reality, uses vauge statistics in deliberately misleading manner.
Technically, when a car dealer checks my credit file when I apply for finance, they are performing a warrentless check of private data... despite the fact I've given them permission. I love the fact the Age does not differentiate between
and
A hell of a lot of those checks will be done by the ATO (Australian Tax Office) as investigations against tax cheats. Your bank records are protected by law.
But by all means, let the Australia bashing continue.
No, they have an absurd system where the car needs to pass an inspection every 2 year
Outrageous. In Europe, cars get inspected every year (with a two year exemption for new cars) [YMMW, haven't checked all countries, etc pp., E&OE]
throw in compulsory auto insurance
compulsory insurance? The devils!
What this also insures is that there is never an unsafe or rust bucket type car on the road.
And that's a bad thing why?
Its very different in Japan, there are a lot of taxes on cars, a lot more than in the UK. You can buy a 500 Pound beater as long as its still registered you can drive it. Insurance costs a bit in the UK for younger drivers. You cant buy a mid 2000's car in Japan and have a reasonable expectation to be able to use it on a daily basis.
Comparing the situation in Japan to the situation in Europe, I don't think you actually understand how bad the situation is in Japan, the system is designed to discourage people from owning cars.
That's an argument FOR Japanese cars - the manufacturers have no reason to build obsolescence into their cars.
Exactly,
I like Japanese cars, just not commuter crapboxes. Give me a Honda Integra or Nissan 370 over a Chevy/Holden or Ford.
In the US we have our "Red Necks" which come in assorted flavors including "Shit Kickers", "Skin Heads", "Hill Billies" and "Hard Hats". We here actually have a bit of a warm spot for our Protohominid brethren, and though "Red Neck" is a pejorative, its usually said with a smile. For example there is the entire catalog of Red Neck jokes to be enjoyed by our country's favorite Red Neck Comedian, Jeff Foxworthy.
So I guess that makes us alike in one more way, we have our Bogans too.
I think every country has a word for them, Bogan in Australia, Redneck in the US, Chav in England. It's used in the same way.
My comment was mostly in jest though but there's an element of truth to it.
Also, not all Bogans are that bad. In fact I'd say most aren't.
I'm an immigrant to Australia and have not found what you say to be the case. I have been welcomed warmly and made to feel a part of the county. I will admit that as an American immigrating to Australia I have not faced the kinds of social adjustments that others might have. As a rule Australia is a very easy nation for Americans to fit into and to find they way in. The culture and traditions of Australia as so similar to that of North America that as an American I hardly feel that I have left behind much of anything of my homeland.
Steady on mate, it's sarcasm.
"Taking the piss" out of ones self is an Aussie tradition.
...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.
It's certainly true of the large breweries. The micro brews (which are extremely common now days) are much better; although they're also much more expensive.
Whilst I've had some US specialty beers and they are very nice, I've also had German and Belgian specialty beers which blow them completely out of the water.
In this regard you aren't comparing like to like, Europe and Australia you can get mass produced beers that are quite good (you've got crap ones like VB, but no-one with half a taste bud drinks those), it's a whole other level if you go to specialty brewers.
The point I am making is that in the UK, Oz or most of Europe I can walk into any bar and be reasonably assured they have a decent beer on tap even if they only have mass produced beers. The same is not true in the US.
P.S. not joking about the US specialty beers being quite nice.
Scotch (or even a decent bourbon) does the same thing and actually has some complexity. Vodka is too sterile and lifeless for me... it's good in drinks but I can't imagine drinking it straight.
I agree with you on Scotch and Bourbon, but not with Vodka. If you're experience is only with the cheap arse Smirnoff vodka I can imagine why you feel that way but just like Scotch a decent vodka is great to drink straght. A good straight liquor doesn't burn on the way down, good vodka is like this and has more a more subtle flavour than Scotch it can be easily mixed with other flavours such as fruits, coffee, and butterscotch to name a few.
Living in Western Australia there are a few specialty distillers around here that produce some very good quality vodkas that is a crime to mix.
There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.
Beer tastes good (well, not Budweiser - but real beers), you have to mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable.
You simply haven't had good Vodka.
Vodka is like whiskey, good whiskey does not need to be mixed, crap whiskey should never be drunk straight. I think this is true for most spirits.
That cheap arse bottle of Smirnoff is not good vodka. Neither is Absolut.
Or you could get a Toyota Avalon, and do standard maintenance... 220,000 miles and nothing has ever gone wrong. I've got all those things you don't have and it still works like a champ. Could the real problem be American planned obsolescence? Just a thought.
The problem with that is a well maintained Toyota Avalon is still a Toyota Avalon. BTW, Toyota doesn't have to plan obsolescence, the Japanese government has legislated it for them. It gets expensive to keep old cars in Japan.
Australia is a nation built on immigration and welcomes those who aspire to the Australian way of life, in the same way as the Puritans, Unitarians, Amish and other religious folks left Europe for the American Colonies all those centuries ago, rather than fighting tooth and nail for religious freedom in the countries of their birth. Conversely, guys like Rupert Murdoch and Mel Gibson are also welcome to fuck off at their own pleasure.
American born Australians are welcome to participate and integrate fully into Australian public life, we even had an American born Premier of New South Wales recently.
This is the Australia of the past, where the displaced Greeks and Itailians came in droves after the war, the 10 pound poms after them seeking a better life on our fair shores. All this started turning around in the 80s as demonstrated in the documentary Romper Stomper.
The Australia of today is a very different place where immigrants are treated with disgust and suspicion, the evil brown people are accused of turking jerbs, you're told to Fit In or Fuck Off, because all the immigrants need to Fuck Off Were Full, or so the stickers on the back of chevrodores keep telling us. I mean how can the Bogan have 3 kids and if we're that full. How can the Bogan afford his jet ski and McMansion if the Abbos keep taking all his tax money, after deduction he's already taxed at 20% which barely pays for the money the government gives him for child care.
How is the Bogan supposed to drink a bottle of Jimmy and threaten to "smash" everyone on his stumble home if this keeps happening. Wont someone think of the Bogan?
Or iiNet/Internode, who have actively worked to thwart bad internet regulations on behalf of their customers.
Just to be pedantic, Internode is now iinet. So it's just iinet, Adam and a few others.
The Iranians I've met buck the trend with Islam in general -- they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education.
You should also try meeting Indonesian, Malay, Thai and Brunai Muslims.
That's most of the Muslim world right there so you'll quickly realise that they are the trend and the stereotypes perpetuated by the likes of Fox News are the Muslims that buck the trend.
Asian Muslims tend to be extremely moderate and well educated, not to mention quite friendly (as is typical of SE Asian culture in general).