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Why It's Bad That Smartphones Have Banished Boredom

Hugh Pickens writes "Doug Gross writes that thanks to technology, there's been a recent sea change in how people today kill time. 'Those dog-eared magazines in your doctor's office are going unread. Your fellow customers in line at the deli counter are being ignored. And simply gazing around at one's surroundings? Forget about it.' With their games, music, videos, social media and texting, smartphones 'superstimulate,' a desire humans have to play when things get dull, says anthropologist Christopher Lynn and he believes that modern society may be making that desire even stronger. 'When you're habituated to constant stimulation, when you lack it, you sort of don't know what to do with yourself,' says Lynn. 'When we aren't used to having down time, it results in anxiety. 'Oh my god, I should be doing something.' And we reach for the smartphone. It's our omnipresent relief from that.' Researchers say this all makes sense. Fiddling with our phones, they say, addresses a basic human need to cure boredom by any means necessary. But they also fear that by filling almost every second of down time by peering at our phones we are missing out on the creative and potentially rewarding ways we've dealt with boredom in days past. 'Informational overload from all quarters means that there can often be very little time for personal thought, reflection, or even just 'zoning out,'" researchers write. 'With a mobile (phone) that is constantly switched on and a plethora of entertainments available to distract the naked eye, it is understandable that some people find it difficult to actually get bored in that particular fidgety, introspective kind of way.'"

351 comments

  1. Games by Dupple · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think they may have a point. Every time I go for a dump, I take my phone with me and have a quick dash around with Temple Run

    Sometimes though, it's just a quick dash with the runs

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    1. Re:Games by Dupple · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sometimes I wish the dash to the bathroom was...

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    2. Re:Games by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Every time I go for a dump, I take my phone with me...

      Cell phones may encourage people to do a more thorough job of expelling their wastes. People will sit there until they clear the level, or get to the next save point, or finish the round before... um... getting started on the paperwork. To justify the time spent clearing the level on the cell phone, they will attempt to, shall we say, clear the level internally. Thus they wind up with a cleaner colon. This could lead to reduced instances of colon cancer and other diseases.

      Of course, it leads to longer line-ups on the other side of the stall door.

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    3. Re:Games by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > This could lead to reduced instances of colon cancer and
      > other diseases.

      Or just more hemorrhoids.

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    4. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, at least we can now snap a photo and see what's going on down there. Word of advice, though: ziplock bag.

    5. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes top. What's more, people shouldn't be taking phones into the restroom with it. The last thing you want is to get food poisoning or similar because you didn't also wash your phone once you were finished.

    6. Re:Games by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      Simply pocket your phone before you engage in "paperwork" so to speak, and don't touch it again until you've washed your hands. Not difficult. :)

    7. Re:Games by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      they will attempt to, shall we say, clear the level internally. Thus they wind up with a cleaner colon. This could lead to reduced instances of colon cancer and other diseases.

      Now granted, I'm not a doctor... but I don't think it works that way.

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    8. Re:Games by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If a little bit of stray bacteria gives you food poisoning, go back into your sterilized hamster ball and leave the rest of us with functional immune systems alone.

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    9. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so true though. I will run around prairie-dogging for as long as it takes to find my phone. Last thing I need to do is read the backs of the air freshener and toothpaste AGAIN.

    10. Re:Games by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Are there any documented cases of food-poisoning-by-phone-in-bathroom?

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    11. Re:Games by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Here's a hint - most people have two hands. While one hand holds the phone and manipulates it, the other hand is free to handle the servicing of the naughty bits. See, bacteria don't magically jump from the naughty bits hand to the phone hand, so the phone doesn't get the naughty bits germs all over it.

    12. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what hemorrhoids are? They have nothing to do with bacteria or food poisoning...

    13. Re:Games by maharvey · · Score: 1

      That's the voice of experience, folks.

    14. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, taking your time on the toilet is the recommended way to *avoid* hemorrhoids. Relaxing gives peristalsis the opportunity to do its work; when you rush things by forcing them out using pressure, you cause the kind of stresses on the colon and anal lining that eventually lead to 'roids.

    15. Re:Games by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Had a thought about that, and I wonder if that really helps much.

      Consider that after the "paperwork" is done, you touch all the same things (pants, belt, zipper, button, etc) before getting to the sink to wash your hands, as when you "start" the next throne session. Some of the stuff that make us go "ick!" have obviously worn off, but still...

    16. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know which post X0563511 was replying to? It has nothing to do with hemorrhoids[sic].

    17. Re:Games by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I doubt the majority of people, apart from those who have been religiously conditioned to do so, practice such segregation.

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    18. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The job is not done until the paperwork is finished.

    19. Re:Games by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      I think that at least "making an effort" to be clean is one of the things that keeps us civilized.

      You have to draw the line somewhere. Since you're typically not frobbing your belt and pants on a regular basis once you leave the bathroom, it probably does still make things more sanitary than just "oh fuck it I won't wash my hands."

  2. It's Official! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 0, Troll

    I can consistently pick out the Hugh Pickens submissions just by looking at the titles in the RSS feed.

    And Hugh, please don't construe that as a *good* thing...

    1. Re:It's Official! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a douche. Hugh rules.

    2. Re:It's Official! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're a douche. Hugh rules.

      [citation needed] His stories are pretty watered down ...

      Steve Jobs Joins House of Wax
      TV Game Show Contestants Sue Over Trick Computer Password Question
      Romney Says No to 'Net Neutrality'
      Has Apple Peaked?
      What Causes Spaghetti Code? (Not the GOTO)
      Not All Bad Code is Spaghetti Code
      Statisticians Predict the Odds of Another 9/11 Event
      Designers Criticize Apple's User Interface for OS X and iOS
      etc ..

    3. Re:It's Official! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hugh is the new Roland.

      Hopefully he dies too.

  3. Compared to what? by AmeerCB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is reading a crappy magazine in the doctor's office more productive than using your smartphone? I hate when people spew opinions like this without showing at least ONE piece of data/evidence that using a smartphone is more harmful than the alternative (the other things we do when we're bored).

    And didn't people make the same arguments about television? And then, later, about videogames?

    1. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because magazines are boring so you'll stop reading them and return to being bored which is a good motivator to do something productive.

    2. Re:Compared to what? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't recall a time when talking to other people in line was the thing to do. Most people either daydreamed or tuned out everyone else.

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    3. Re:Compared to what? by gr8_phk · · Score: 0

      Looking at a magazine is outside your little closed world that you carry in your pocket. That said, I rarely see a magazine on those racks that I want to browse. But sometimes I do and read something new to me.

    4. Re:Compared to what? by heathen_01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Looking at a magazine is outside your little closed world that you carry in your pocket.

      I use an android phone.

    5. Re:Compared to what? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      I rarely see a magazine on those racks that I want to browse. But sometimes I do and read something new to me.

      Try accessing this site from your "closed" device: http://www.gutenberg.org/

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    6. Re:Compared to what? by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed.
      Reading a 3 year old copy of Cosmopolitan or some other women's magazine in a doctor's waiting rooms only fills me with contempt. Mostly with myself for reading it I guess. Lists of "50 ways to please your man" or "Know if your man is cheating" should be covered by some mental health warning. Please tell me women don't believe that shite. Inane twitter and facebook posts have more worth.

    7. Re:Compared to what? by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While waiting in the doctor's office?

      But they also fear that by filling almost every second of down time by peering at our phones we are missing out on the creative and potentially rewarding ways we've dealt with boredom in days past.

      I didn't know masturbation was a creative pursuit!

      Actually, there is a valid point to the article, but I don't think it's anything to do with smartphones. It applies just as well to any device with a web browser and an internet connection.

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    8. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While waiting in the doctor's office?

      If you have enough brain power and are bored enough then yes it's possible to be productive with your brain alone. If you don't know that then you're either never bored or lack the necessary brain power to be productive while seated with no pen and no smartphone.

      The rest of your post seems directed at someone else.

    9. Re:Compared to what? by AmeerCB · · Score: 2

      Looking at a magazine is outside your little closed world that you carry in your pocket. That said, I rarely see a magazine on those racks that I want to browse. But sometimes I do and read something new to me.

      The internet is a "little closed world?"

    10. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Closed little world? That device in my pocket has access to FAR more magazines than are available in any doctor's office. In a comparison between a dozen random magazines and a smartphone with a browser and 4G, I daresay that of the two, the doctor's office comes out as the closed little world.

    11. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh.. The Internet is boring. Used to be fun when I was a kid but it's just trite now. There's only a handful of sites I even keep up with these days; a couple of news sites and few forum posts a day, plus necessities like email and online banking, of course. I probably spend less than 30 minutes online for entertainment purposes a day. Surfing /. right now just to fill the last part of my lunch and won't even check my post for replies.

      Then again, why should anyone care? It was 5 minutes successfully wasted at least.

    12. Re:Compared to what? by anared · · Score: 1

      Which is almost closed.

    13. Re:Compared to what? by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is reading a crappy magazine in the doctor's office more productive than using your smartphone? I hate when people spew opinions like this without showing at least ONE piece of data/evidence that using a smartphone is more harmful than the alternative (the other things we do when we're bored). And didn't people make the same arguments about television? And then, later, about videogames?

      The point is that occasionally being "bored" (in the sense of lacking external stimuli) is a good thing as it encourages introspection and, you know, thinking.

      And BTW reading shitty magazines, watching shitty TV or playing shitty vidogames are all just as bad as wasting time playing Angry Birds, or posting facebook photos of your dog, on your phone. if you do them all the time and never give yourself time to think.

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    14. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What truly scares me about the magazines you'll find in waiting rooms is that despite being some of the most watered-down and "inoffensive" crap out there they are also often some of the most popular magazines on the market...

      The choice of waiting room magazines was actually one of the reasons I decided on the dentist I've been currently going to for the last five years (obviously he's also a competent dentist but when choosing between several competent dentists I figured using factors such as magazines available in the waiting room was as good as anything). Sure, there are always a couple of those bland "women's magazines" and gossip rags in the pile but mostly it's actually somewhat interesting magazines. Took me by surprise the first time I went there, new copies of magazines that aren't about fashion or gossip aren't exactly common in waiting rooms (even a couple of the better pop science magazines which most dentists and doctors avoid for fear of upsetting the terminally religious).

    15. Re:Compared to what? by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't recall a time when talking to other people in line was the thing to do. Most people either daydreamed or tuned out everyone else.

      I talk to people in queues and I am (a) English and (b) anti-social, so I'm sure if I can relax my stiff upper life then you can too.

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    16. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids these days don't even know that biggest rock is best rock.

    17. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think he meant it doesn't fit in his pocket. :P

    18. Re:Compared to what? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      The internet is a "little closed world?"

      For most people, yes. They log onto facebook (or 4chan) and exchange tenth hand jokes and pictures of kittens with a selction of people who they have probably never talked to in real life, and who think about everything in exactly the same way that they do themselves.

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    19. Re:Compared to what? by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      It may be... Likely that people only use the sites they're familiar with, i.e. Facebook or whatever, they're unlikely to go looking for something new. Those magazines would likely be something that they wouldn't necessarily go looking for. Just my 2c...

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    20. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, people get bubbled on Google so they only see things that they're likely to agree with. They hang out on FB and other fora where they mostly only interact with people the agree with. And label everybody else trolls.

      Plus, being bored, you start to day dream a bit, and some of the best ideas can come out of that, if you don't immediately pull out a smartphone and start playing angry birds.

    21. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a North American thing I guess.

      I have a pal who was visiting from France, he saw a farmer stopped by the side of the road checking his tractor and so also being a farmer my friend stopped his car, got out and started having a conversation about what he thought about this kind of tractor, what the growing season was like (and that sort of thing) with the guy. The guy didn't know what to do.

      Apparently casual conversation is something to be feared and avoided at all cost in North America

      If someone has "time" to talk to you clearly they "want something" I guess :-/

    22. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While waiting in the doctor's office?

      But they also fear that by filling almost every second of down time by peering at our phones we are missing out on the creative and potentially rewarding ways we've dealt with boredom in days past.

      I didn't know masturbation was a creative pursuit!

      Actually, there is a valid point to the article, but I don't think it's anything to do with smartphones. It applies just as well to any device with a web browser and an internet connection.

      Remind me to never hang out in your Doctor's waiting room.

    23. Re:Compared to what? by pod · · Score: 2

      While waiting in the doctor's office?

      Yes, like talking to other people.

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    24. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Done. Works great.

    25. Re:Compared to what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The point is that occasionally being "bored" (in the sense of lacking external stimuli) is a good thing as it encourages introspection and, you know, thinking.

      That's what load times are for.

      reading shitty magazines, watching shitty TV or playing shitty vidogames are all just as bad as wasting time playing Angry Birds, or posting facebook photos of your dog, on your phone. if you do them all the time and never give yourself time to think.

      Well, the average person probably has a lot of time in traffic, if they're not on public transportation. Here's the thing I don't get, if I give myself time to think, questions occur to me, and I want answers. Should I avoid looking them up in a timely fashion so that I can "give myself time to think", or should I look them up and get an answer and then have the next question occur to me? It seems like this may well be the next step in human evolution, where the quality of our thought improves because we are able to feed our minds with the information needed to answer our questions, and that trying to encourage more down time is just another example of luddism.

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    26. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > anti-social

      yeah no, I think you're confused as to what anti-social means.

    27. Re:Compared to what? by pod · · Score: 1

      You have access to what you want to see, and read the things you want to read, and people you want to talk to. When you read a random magazine, or talk to a random person, or have random thoughts, something new and interesting might happen in your life or you might learn something new. Change! Avoid! Step outside your closed little box and take the chance to experience something different.

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    28. Re:Compared to what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I talk to people in queues and I am (a) English and (b) anti-social, so I'm sure if I can relax my stiff upper life then you can too.

      America is an intolerant, unfriendly, lonely country, or so says everyone I know who has a basis for comparison. On the other hand, the only place I've been to is Panama and it's actually worse, so I don't personally have a sufficient sample size to make my own declarative statements about it.

      There is certainly significant variation, of course. In cities, in general only crazy people will talk to strangers as a rule. In the boonies, you're a lot more likely to be engaged in dialogue by a fellow line-stander. I've noticed, though, that the odds of your neighbor opening a conversation with you seem to decrease as the length of the line increases. It's like standing in a queue reduces us to the status of herd animals.

      I think part of it is just that we're a culture used to having a lot of space. We have more room in this country, and we've spread out into it. There's lots of room for segregation, and indeed you will find many fine examples of it still today with whole towns essentially unmixed. I noticed it while I lived in Texas, you'd come around a bend and there'd be a town just full of Germans (still sounding German, mind you, though they've been there for ages) or Armenians or pretty much anything. Problem is, if you stray outside your appointed zone, things can get ugly quickly, and they get basically get uglier the further you get away from the interstates, so that by the time you're on a dirt track it's probably already too late for you, my friend. In California we've got plenty of towns that are mostly white now, but cross-burnings are blessedly rare. Oregon's got some serious bastions of whiteness where the brown fear to tread.

      In order to have mixing in the melting pot, you need to give it a liberal stir :)

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    29. Re:Compared to what? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      And didn't people make the same arguments about television? And then, later, about videogames?

      And the same arguments are true, to some extent, about television and videogames.

      If you don't know of any WoW addict/victims/sad loser in life stories, you don't have any place passing judgement on whether or not videogames can be harmful.

      I'm not saying to abolish any of it, but the potential for addiction and serious destruction of what we used to call a productive life is there. It's the same basic reasoning that's behind marijuana controls.

      At least with mobile phones the addict is, well, mobile, but if they are constantly tuned in to the phone at the expense of "normal" social interaction, we're going to grow yet another breed of socially inept to go along with sports-TV addicts, soap opera addicts, and video game addicts.

      Actually, it's not an if, it's already happening, but the question I have is whether or not society is going to tolerate these people who walk around so tuned into their mobile device that they are even less socially available than your average rude big city dweller who is "too busy" to even acknowledge the presence of other people as they pass.

    30. Re:Compared to what? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Then perhaps what might be helpful to society at large then, would be posters or such in waiting rooms about things like Project Gutenberg?

      You can't expect them to put the phone/device down. But perhaps you can help widen their "closed" world a little bit.

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    31. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be assuming quite a bit about me.

    32. Re:Compared to what? by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Angry Birds isn't empty, like stupid TV or magazines.

      You're exercising several parts of your brain and are interacting.

      Specifically: trajectory analysis, cause and effect, planning.

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    33. Re:Compared to what? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I extremely skeptical of the productive value of talking to completely random people who just happen to be at the same office as you. Talking to people can certainly be extremely productive, but it's the right people, not just anyone.

    34. Re:Compared to what? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Because for some reason antiquated information services are superior to modern ones, in the same way that by having automobiles we're losing on the bond with nature we used to enjoy when all we had was a horse, a buggy, and stunning view of the horses ass and the occasional view of post-processed oats.

      Smart phones are great for many of us: I've never liked people, especially strangers and would otherwise have to spend time trying to appear "unapproachable". I have never liked nature, it's messy, there are bugs, and I live in fucking Texas...I get enough hellscapes in video games. I can read any thing I want on my smart phone or my ereader. That I don't prefer magazines (ever) says a lot about the quality of magazines, most of which are sports rags or hollywood tabloids, which I couldn't care less about.

    35. Re:Compared to what? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I could, but why would I?

    36. Re:Compared to what? by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      The point is that occasionally being "bored" (in the sense of lacking external stimuli) is a good thing as it encourages introspection and, you know, thinking.

      That's what load times are for.

      reading shitty magazines, watching shitty TV or playing shitty vidogames are all just as bad as wasting time playing Angry Birds, or posting facebook photos of your dog, on your phone. if you do them all the time and never give yourself time to think.

      Well, the average person probably has a lot of time in traffic, if they're not on public transportation. Here's the thing I don't get, if I give myself time to think, questions occur to me, and I want answers. Should I avoid looking them up in a timely fashion so that I can "give myself time to think", or should I look them up and get an answer and then have the next question occur to me? It seems like this may well be the next step in human evolution, where the quality of our thought improves because we are able to feed our minds with the information needed to answer our questions, and that trying to encourage more down time is just another example of luddism.

      You're spending all your time finding answers that are already out there. You are probably more likely (although i am not a behavioral psychologist) to prefer asking easy questions since you know the answers will be on hand, and you will avoid asking hard questions since you don't get the same instant gratification from finding the answer after three clicks.

      When was the last time some groundbreaking discovery was made by reading a wikipedia article, other than finding out how awesome Chuck Norris is, or how fast the african elephant population is growing? Einstein sure as hell didn't need the internet to come up with his ideas, and until there is a "great mind" that does something useful with all the shit we keep piling into cyberspace, you will be hard pressed to convince me that it's anything more than a pastime.

    37. Re:Compared to what? by icebraining · · Score: 1
    38. Re:Compared to what? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I could learn something exciting about what Paris Hilton is doing today, or what some dumb jock has accomplished in football. yay. It's like high school again. Or I could listen to fringe politics from strangers. I have learned a few things: apparently obama has signed a doctrine for complete control, they want to warehouse children with disabilities and the UN is going to force it, and apparently there's a war on christianity that nobody invited me to.

      Now, having established all of the above as false, or at least no more true now than they have been for my entire life by reading primary sources, I think I'm happy to ignore the output of the unwashed masses and return to angry birds. I wish to prescribe a few hours of angry birds to the people who come up with this shit.

    39. Re:Compared to what? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      While I do know some hopeless game "addicts", I don't agree with your assertion that "normal" social interaction is important. The issue with game addicts is that they've given up on life. Key things like: cleaning house, taking out the trash, holding down a job, taking care of their children, etc. It's not so much an addiction as an escape, and they get off on the synthetic achievement of making level 90 rather than taking care of themselves. On the other hand I'm not sure this is any different than drug addicts. My sister is a nurse, and she had to help a woman who was "addicted" to marijuana. It's a joke you see, you can't really be addicted to that in any physical way, but she smokes her life away and does insane things to get more pot. She was in the hospital being treated for serious head injuries from the boyfriend who was hooking her up this month.

      "Normal social interaction" is not relevant. The problem here is much deeper, and it's not with the game (or the drug), that's just what's available.

    40. Re:Compared to what? by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      I hope that you mean that your phone is too big for your pocket because Google Play Magazines is a great app for that.

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    41. Re:Compared to what? by Biotech_is_Godzilla · · Score: 1

      It used to be worse than that about 15 years ago. I remember seeing a "feature" on the front cover of Cosmo UK on "Controlling your Man (or something similar) - How well-placed tears can win any argument". I lost my faith in womanhood at around that time.

    42. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know masturbation was a creative pursuit!

      It is the way I do it.

      captcha - thyself

    43. Re:Compared to what? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 0

      I extremely skeptical of the productive value of talking to completely random people who just happen to be at the same office as you. Talking to people can certainly be extremely productive, but it's the right people, not just anyone.

      Particularly people who are infirm. When I'm at the doctor's for anything other than a routine checkup (and even then a lot of times), I'd rather not be bothered by someone trying to stike up an awkward conversation to pass the time. It's stressful enough without having to babysit a manchild who can't sit and contemplate their own mortality in silence...

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    44. Re:Compared to what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I extremely skeptical of the productive value of talking to completely random people who just happen to be at the same office as you. Talking to people can certainly be extremely productive, but it's the right people, not just anyone.

      Actually....I've found talking to random people while out and about VERY helpful.

      I've met some great women I've dated while in waiting rooms...last one was in an auto dealership service waiting room, dated for a year or so...

      I've made business contacts...money from just chatting and joking around with people. Hell, even in bars down here (NOLA)...you often make some of your best and strongest business contacts at times, I know I have.

      I've heard maybe up north...people don't talk much to strangers...but it is common down here, and I've made friends, gotten laid and made money, all from light chatting or joking while in a waiting room.

      And really...is there EVER a bad time to try to hone your people skills?

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    45. Re:Compared to what? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      You have access to what you want to see, and read the things you want to read, and people you want to talk to. When you read a random magazine, or talk to a random person, or have random thoughts, something new and interesting might happen in your life or you might learn something new. Change! Avoid! Step outside your closed little box and take the chance to experience something different.

      I agree that you should put down the cell phone if the only source for new experiences in your life is random interaction with strangers and old magazines.

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    46. Re:Compared to what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I think it depends on the part of the US you're talking about.

      I think in the northern part of the US....you don't find strangers talking to strangers commonly.

      But in the deep south...it isn't unusual at all. I quite often striike up conversations with people at stores, waiting rooms, hell...even in the elevator I like to make quick jokes that get people to laugh.

      I have rarely run into anyone down here...that you can't really strike up some sort of conversation about anything, most any time....

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    47. Re:Compared to what? by nixed3 · · Score: 1

      That's because those arguments are probably valid from a neurological point of view. Videogames, television, smartphones, and heck, even porn, all super-stimulate your dopamine receptors. Some speculate that this is the leading cause of anxiety and depression in modern western society and how it has exploded in the last 30 years, because our dopamine levels are all out of whack. More research is needed, but not everyone wants to hear something that may disrupt their lives so severely.

    48. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is. Don't tell me you've never come up with elaborate fantasies to masturbate to?

    49. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein sure as hell didn't need the internet to come up with his ideas, and until there is a "great mind" that does something useful with all the shit we keep piling into cyberspace, you will be hard pressed to convince me that it's anything more than a pastime.

      Einstein ended up at Princeton solely to work with Gödel, otherwise despising academic institutions. I imagine that would have been unnecessary with IRC, Dropbox, and Skype available.

      People were creative and inventive before the Internet. But then people did a lot more wheel-reinventing too.

    50. Re:Compared to what? by squeegee_boy · · Score: 1

      I have learned a few things: apparently obama has signed a doctrine for complete control, they want to warehouse children with disabilities and the UN is going to force it, and apparently there's a war on christianity that nobody invited me to.

      Oh, and Fort Knox is used to store nothing but tear gas now, replacing all the gold that Obama gave away, or something. And nothing, repeat nothing has been invented in the US for over a decade, and China invents everything now, and the armed revolution is coming so buy your stores now...

      ^ That was from a weird Englishman and his tragically uncoordinated wife during a lunch break at a firearms safety course I attended (prerequisite for a license in Canada, otherwise I don't think they would have been there). The rest of us privately voted them the most likely to blow their own feet off with their own weapons.

    51. Re:Compared to what? by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 2

      From your ID and comments, it's obvious you're new to Slashdot. Talking to random people? Bars? DATING?!? Getting...what was the term you used? :P

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    52. Re:Compared to what? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And really...is there EVER a bad time to try to hone your people skills?

      Any time I want to relax is a bad time for that. You're an extrovert, good for you. Not everyone appreciates having their quiet time interrupted by a chatty stranger.

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    53. Re:Compared to what? by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      Not all questions have answers. The best questions generally don't.

    54. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't sound like introspection or very high level thinking if you can just look the answers up on your phone.

      Even for questions that do have answers easily obtained on a phone, have you thought that you might get more meaning out of those answers if you spent time trying to reason or deduce the answer?

    55. Re:Compared to what? by firewrought · · Score: 2

      I extremely skeptical of the productive value of talking to completely random people who just happen to be at the same office as you. Talking to people can certainly be extremely productive, but it's the right people, not just anyone.

      I have to completely and utterly disagree with you: random conversations with random people provide unexpected benefits and add flavor to your life. Such encounters can be the source of new things: a fresh perspective, a bold idea, a useful tip, a gripping story, an anecdote to tell later, an unusual hobby, a business opportunity, even a friendship. You will savor the memory of a successful conversation years later, long after you've forgotten whatever specific urgencies you were pursuing that day. Those moments will shine thru with beauty, amazement, hope, serendipity, and shared humanity.

      Yes, it's hard to make the effort. I should know: I'm not a big people person. I love excuses to avoid social interactions. I'm usually annoyed when strangers talk to for no good reason, and I am suspicious of their intentions. Sometimes the conversation flops or ends badly. And I'm always skeptical in advance: what's the value? Why should I do this? But see the key word above: unexpected. If you knew what the benefit was in advance, there would be no discovery. So it's worth swinging the bat everytime you step up to the plate, no matter how much you feel at the onset that you don't want to. (Though if you're like me, it may help to get some general advice on human interaction.)

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    56. Re:Compared to what? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      And much like fly fishing or learning to use a bait casting reel, you can increase your vocabulary at the same time too!

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    57. Re:Compared to what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I did notice that more people wanted to talk to random people in Texas. However, I also noticed things like cowboys at denny's in college station (well, they were dressed like cowboys, anyway) who say shit like "I'll suck your dick if you suck mine" as an insult and not an honest invitation, then wait around for hours to see if they can start a fight in the parking lot, just because you came in dressed in black and with a bunch of other people dressed funny.

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    58. Re:Compared to what? by somersault · · Score: 1

      You mean things like talking to a girl?

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    59. Re:Compared to what? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You joke, but what you learn from that is that there are people who actually believe those things. Likely far more people than you think. It is a good thing to understand what other people think, even when they are wrong.

    60. Re:Compared to what? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Apparently casual conversation is something to be feared and avoided at all cost in North America

      If someone has "time" to talk to you clearly they "want something" I guess :-/

      I noticed that when I visited the US last year. I don't have a driving license, and I enjoy walking round cities anyway. Normally, not many people try and talk to me. In the US lots of people did -- and almost every single one of them was begging for money (though many started the conversation with, "I'm not asking you for anything").

      One exception was a woman in New Orleans, who saw me photographing the statue of Joan of Arc and said "ain't she beautiful? She founded this city, you know". I didn't know who the statue depicted (I photographed it from a distance, before moving closer to read the plaque) and she thoroughly confused me in the resulting conversation.

    61. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why if I'm travelling somewhere where there's a chance of waiting around (if I have to take a bus, if I'll be waiting for an appointment, waiting for a friend at a specific bench in a mall, if my wife is clothes shopping and wants me kicking around for my opinion on how something looks, etc), I take my Rubik's Cube. This has two effects.

      1. It kills my boredom, since I'm having fun solving it. I am also amused by point 2.
      2. Everyone else waiting around instantly has something entertaining to watch. I guess solving a Rubik's cube is still sufficiently unknown to enough people that watching someone solve it in front of them is interesting enough to ignore any 3 year old, ratty magasines, and often their smartphones. If the people around have neither of those available, you can be guaranteed they're watching. I can't solve it specifically quickly (about 2 minutes or so), but what's better... looking at your watch every 2 minutes and otherwise lost in random thought, or watching a guy solve a Rubik's cube. From personal experience, society seems to very drastically lean towards the latter.

      On rare occasion, someone watching me will even comment, start up a conversation, but usually they just watch.

      On a few occasions, I've noticed that when solving the cube on the bus, if my stop comes up and I didn't quite finish solving it, you can see the disappointment on some people's faces, since they evidently wanted to see it get solved (especially true if I'm particularly close to the end).

    62. Re:Compared to what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Any time I want to relax is a bad time for that. You're an extrovert, good for you. Not everyone appreciates having their quiet time interrupted by a chatty stranger.

      That's part of *people skills*....knowing when someone isn't in a good mood, or wants to be left alone. Everyone has those days....if I come across someone like that, I can sense that...and move onto someone else....

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    63. Re:Compared to what? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I don't agree either.

      I thought people in the south (well, New Orleans and Atlanta) were friendly. There was less of an awkward start to talking to a stranger than there is in the UK, for example.

      A good few people who chatted to me in the street wanted money.

    64. Re:Compared to what? by starfishsystems · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a fascinating topic for any student of the human condition.

      Most people are conditioned to experience boredom as a deeply unpleasant experience. I recall a program that Bill Moyers did a few years ago on the mind/body duality, in which he joined in a sitting meditation. It might have been zazen or something like it. He couldn't stand it. He found that he just couldn't remain in stillness, not even for a few minutes. Instead he became agitated and had to stand up and leave the room. The way he described it made me think it was a kind of panic attack. Of course he was deeply curious about this powerful reaction to nothing at all. I'm sure he's been thinking about it ever since. And so he should.

      If you reflexively avoid boredom, you are not able to access the enormous richness of experience in just being. In my view, that's a terrible loss. Read any of Arthur Ransome's "Swallows and Amazons" books for children and you will get a taste of that experience of just being, as it was even a generation or two ago: people not always rushing about, multitasking and never really experiencing their real environment, but instead sitting and watching all the minute and lovely activities of the world. It's a child's way of looking at the world, and Ransome perfectly captures the wealth and innocence of it.

      Or consider Hermann Hesse's "Siddhartha", in which the main character, when asked what makes it possible for him to succeed where others have so often failed, answers, "I can think. I can fast. I can wait."

      The thing is, boredom is not real. It's an illusion, a passing symptom of addicive withdrawl, Beyond it lies a world of real experience, exquisite in its quiet subtlety. "Pay attention" says the Zen master, who is roundly ignored because the advice he gives isn't mysterious enough, doesn't require any shiny technology.

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    65. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? Americans are much more likely to chat with strangers than any country in Europe. Chatting with strangers in Europe basically does not happen. No reason to attack Americans.

    66. Re:Compared to what? by citylivin · · Score: 2

      Ah LOL!

      You are following scripts and pre programed algorithms with fake sandboxed physics. I think its hilarious when people try and justify playing angry birds as having any real world uses at all. What do you think you can now throw a shot put ball with a more proper trajectory? Give me a break!! It may be technically more interactive than tv, but that is made up for by having the smartphone turned on and receiving 24x7. Like having a tv strapped to your face, which auto detects where your drool lands on the controls to derive intent. Its interactive!

      I have met very few people who can actually use a smartphone "properly". Most people are checking their work and home emails and doing something on facebook. The article is right. People don't just stare at walls any more because all their time needs to be "productive". However no one really knows what productive even means anymore. Is it working all the time and burning yourself out? Is it firing off comments to your friends so they know how quick and snarky you can be? Why are these things "productive" while staring at a wall and letting your mind wander is considered not?

      I would argue that the more breaks you take from your routine, the more likely you are to think outside your environment and comfort zone. Smartphones have created, in a few short years, a culture of people who are so disconnected and alone that they need a small glowing screen to babysit them all the damn time. I mean its common now for people to think its perfectly acceptable to be on their phone on the toilette. This smartphone wave is so fucked up. And don't get me wrong, I love the internet. But does it really have to be everywhere, all the time?

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    67. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's strange. I'm brown skinned, and there is only one place that I've ever been where I felt uncomfortable around whites to the point of feeling stressed (that was Dunn, NC). But the stares I've gotten going into a black neighborhood have immediately raised the hair on my neck. The threats I've gotten while having it explained that I don't belong in that particular place, has made me decide that I might want to avoid those places.

    68. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And really...is there EVER a bad time to try to hone your people skills?

      Yes. When:
      1) having sex with your wife (or anyone's wife, I guess).
      2) you're supposed to be defusing a bomb.
      3) having a moment of silence for a dead friend.

      I'm sure there are others...

    69. Re:Compared to what? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Apparently casual conversation is something to be feared and avoided at all cost in North America

      North America is a big place. You think you could maybe narrow that down a bit? In Alabama, where I'm from, what you described would not be unusual at all.

    70. Re:Compared to what? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      In the US lots of people did -- and almost every single one of them was begging for money (though many started the conversation with, "I'm not asking you for anything").

      Fucking crackheads. We even have them in Alabama now, at the gas station asking for a quarter to buy some milk. Solution: Kick em in the teeth and drive off.

      One exception was a woman in New Orleans, who saw me photographing the statue of Joan of Arc and said "ain't she beautiful? She founded this city, you know".

      LOL. Well, it's New Orleans....'nuff said.

    71. Re:Compared to what? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Don't lose faith: gain strength. When your "women" tries some shit like that, kick her to the curb.

    72. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious....psshhhhh. When reading the mags in your doc's waiting room, you are essentially digging backwards into history, long past. If you had a pick and shovel, you could be classified as an archaeologist.

    73. Re:Compared to what? by leromarinvit · · Score: 1

      > anti-social

      yeah no, I think you're confused as to what anti-social means.

      Ah no, he probably got an ASBO for talking to the wrong strangers.

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    74. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solutiion: peering at smartphone WHILE masturbating.

    75. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it's also a cultural thing.
      I don't see myself talking much to random people (unless it's work related)

      Most of my conversation would be like:
      - Nice weather.
      - Yeah.

      Awkward feeling for the rest of the day. That's all.

    76. Re:Compared to what? by loneDreamer · · Score: 1

      Really? I've only seen people do trial and error repetitions and say 'Oh' when they see the effect.

    77. Re:Compared to what? by Billlagr · · Score: 1

      While in a hospital waiting room a few weeks back, I found a range of National Geographics, Dating from 1969 to 1972. They were actually interesting to read, moreso just to look at the ads for the latest and greatest from Datsun.

    78. Re:Compared to what? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I talk to people in queues

      Well stop that.

      I hate people talking to me in queues, I always get the crazy ones.

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    79. Re:Compared to what? by perkerk · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there's very little awareness of this problem. I hate when people dismiss something based on lack of evidence when simple, careful observation can quickly refute it. If you find yourself quickly dismissing this, first look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. Just because it's not obvious to you doesn't make it not so. We live in a culture that confuses information with knowledge. Our brains grow in response to work, NOT stimulation (although educational video game manufacturers will quickly try to convince you otherwise). Brain growth is entirely analogous to body growth (not a coincidence), and sit-ups make your abdominal muscles stronger but vibrating belts do not. If you think otherwise, your concept of learning is probably a variation of the common, and wrong, "learning is by osmosis." In our culture we quickly turn to television/video games/smartphones/web-surfing when we feel bored. And when our kids cry out in anxiety about being bored, we stick a DVD in to play, or hand them a game controller. But boredom is a (very interesting) transition point from a passive, non-constructive thought state, to an active, constructive one. The reason it's stressful is because you're going from a state of not exerting yourself, to a state where you do have to do work. Next time you're in a position to address someone's boredom (a more accessible exercise with kids but works equally well with adults), don't - instead wait and see what happens. You'll see the transition from a non-creative state to a creative one. If you still have a hard time believing this, pick out a few of those who you would consider the world's greatest thinkers, and see what their upbringing was like.

    80. Re:Compared to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more amusing ones are where Cosmo manages to mix up a sex guide and a Spetznaz manual. "Grab your man's ***** with your fingernails and twist 90 degrees! He's sure to love it!". Love it after the screaming, or the hospital trip?

    81. Re:Compared to what? by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

      I see the people around me as a valuable resource. Everyone has something of interest and everyone has smoething to give.

      When I think back on the major points of progress I've had in my life all of them are due to the people I've known and met. Jobs came through word of mouth rather than search and apply. A lot of the best, unexpected yet useful knowledge gained has been through direct contact with people.

      Standing in line saying nothing I feel there is this great resource, under utilised.

      Someone who can utilise this and find a way to break the social barriers will increase chances for serendipity.

      So how do we do that?

      Well if you're British you mention the weather or et drunk, but is it going to go any further than that? Likewise, how do you get the subject onto something more interesting, avoid the awkward silences and so on?
      I'm no expert in this but I know the only way to learn is by doing taking any mistakes on the way as valuable lessons.

    82. Re:Compared to what? by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 1

      because the crappy magazine will show you things you didn't think of. your smartphone will play the games and music you downloaded. the crappy magazine is outside input and, yes, obviously you can use your smartphone to read a news site or blog or some such outside input, and that would be great! the idea is that we need to have external input, but smartphones tend to recycle the same inputs (games/music/movies) leaving us with less mental stimulation. Sorry. Big, hand-waving statements and no data, i know, but you see my overall point, no?

    83. Re:Compared to what? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I saw a guy comment here one time in great regret of something he had done with the best of intentions: edited his VHS tapes of ST:TNG to cut all commercials. Now, of course, the whole series is available in much better quality DVD, and so the only thing that would be on the tape that would actually be worth watching were the commercials.

    84. Re:Compared to what? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      New Orleans has long attracted a large schizophrenic population due to its warm climate. Surprisingly, this is more pronounced post-Katrina. I was there a few weeks ago, and it really was remarkable even by been-going-to-NOLA-since-I-was-in-diapers standards.

  4. Me Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    You mean the ones that aren't news but are very well written like someone is retired and always wanted to be a reporter with endless time on their hands? It's like the articles that are a sudden moment of perceived clarity or a list of something or situational humor turned into news. "And what's the deal with smartphones? Did you ever noticed how before we used to actually think about stuff and look around? What's up with that?"

  5. Things we do to avoid being bored by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot leaps to mind...

    1. Re:Things we do to avoid being bored by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Ya but mobile phones make Slashdot topic responses fill up even faster now. I only have a few minutes after a new topic before it becomes so clogged I can no longer get +1 funnies because I'm lost in the woodwork.

      On noes! This topic has 128 responses already! More first-rate humor wasted >:-(

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    2. Re:Things we do to avoid being bored by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Ya but mobile phones make Slashdot topic responses fill up even faster now. I only have a few minutes after a new topic before it becomes so clogged I can no longer get +1 funnies because I'm lost in the woodwork.

      On noes! This topic has 128 responses already! More first-rate humor wasted >:-(

      There comes a time when one must realize that the issue may not the number of the posts, but rather the quality of the funny...

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    3. Re:Things we do to avoid being bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Else we would not all be here.

  6. Stop telling people what to do. by Threni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll do what I want. I don't care what you used to do in the olden days. If you want to be bored, go for it.

    It's like people whining about magazines closing. Apparently one is closing now, in the UK. Some people are signing a petition. Who are they going to present it to? I bet hardly any of them actually bought it.

    1. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop telling people what to do.

      Who's telling you what to do?

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    2. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      The thing is, with so much less boredom, people dive to their iPhones all the time. There's no sitting around college in the dorm, staring at the ceiling with an 18 year old freshman, "Wanna go somewhere?" "Maybe... where?" "I dunno, it's boring here." "Yeah, but there's nothing to do on a Thursday night." "Bah..." ".... wanna have sex?"

      No, it's more like, "Bah..." "...*starts playing Angry Birds*"

    3. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll do what I want. I don't care what you used to do in the olden days. If you want to be bored, go for it.

      It's like people whining about magazines closing. Apparently one is closing now, in the UK. Some people are signing a petition. Who are they going to present it to? I bet hardly any of them actually bought it.

      Agreed. I bet there was the same argument about 50 years ago about broadcast TV. "Kids these days, instead of staring out the window (a pastime that served us well for centuries!) all they do is flip on the TV and bang, they aren't bored any more! Windows will go un-stared-out! The humanity!"

      Look, there are always things to do and adults can always make decisions on what they want to do and when. If it's so horrible that people aren't bored, the ones who figure out that boredom is some sort of innate marketable skill will rise to the top and become our new overlords. Until then, it's business as usual.

    4. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by rioki · · Score: 1

      Not it is scientific! Smartphones lead to the downfall of humanity.

    5. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by fafaforza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, by many accounts, we *do* have an obesity epidemic. Are you going to say that tv and in-house entertainment has nothing to do with that?

    6. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by fafaforza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one is telling you what to do. They're just positing the idea that it's hurtful to you. But I guess you'd prefer that they do not study and contemplate things like this, and get back to playing games on their iPads.

    7. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      The thing is, with so much less boredom, people dive to their iPhones all the time. There's no sitting around college in the dorm, staring at the ceiling with an 18 year old freshman, "Wanna go somewhere?" "Maybe... where?" "I dunno, it's boring here." "Yeah, but there's nothing to do on a Thursday night." "Bah..." ".... wanna have sex?"

      No, it's more like, "Bah..." "...*starts playing Angry Birds*"

      I think you need to expand your social circle a little. Any 18 year old who would rather play Angry Birds than have sex is not someone you should be hanging around with, as they are almost certainly deeply psychotic.

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    8. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by dywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      its not about tellng you what to do. its about suggesting that the phone gives a false sense of productivity. Equivalent to "empty calories". Being bored leads to wanting to do things. The phone satisfies that, without actually being productive, since the chief way of occupying time with a phone is with a game of some kind. The suggestion is that without the phone you would do something else more worthwhile with that small bit of time. That the game on your phone is a more compelling boredom relief than many other activities, yet in the end less rewarding than those other activities.

      Remember we arent talking about life goals or long stretches of time, but small chunks that used to be filled by introspection or conversation. Staring out the window on a bus (the "greatest philosphy school known to mankind"). Waiting for an order at a diner. Waiting for the dentist. Etc. The trend now, I know you've seen it, a group of friends at a restruant out to eat, no one saying a word, everyone just staring at their phone. They're there together, yet each alone.

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    9. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not so much that as pool size and opportunity. The whole "nice guys finish last" thing has a subversion: those guys hanging out with extremely bored, cute girls might not have the easiest time getting laid, but when there's fuck-all to do they just start snuggling up on anyone they're fairly comfortable with. You don't need to push the right buttons anymore; you just need to not push the wrong ones.

      In other words, bored girls are a heck of a lot looser than occupied girls. Girls generally don't have sex every chance they get; courtship is hard.

    10. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I bet there was the same argument about 50 years ago about broadcast TV. "Kids these days, instead of staring out the window (a pastime that served us well for centuries!) all they do is flip on the TV and bang, they aren't bored any more! Windows will go un-stared-out! The humanity!"

      Fifty years ago it was "turn off that damned TV and go outside." Unless it was raining. "There's nothing to do!" "Well, read a book or watch TV."

    11. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Except that those telling TV rots your brain were right :D

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    12. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter whether you do or don't. It's only important that smart humans get bored so they have a motivation to solve hard problems. Since you're not one of those, we don't care whether you do or do not get bored.

    13. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You forgot a few other options:

      They might not be homosexual or bisexual (I suppose? Aren't most dorms same-gender? Never did the dorm thing so don't know). Or perhaps they just don't feel like it (maybe they don't like you that way?)

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      For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
    14. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Fortunately girls are better at this social stuff than guys are. They're usually the first ones to tell you to put down the fricking phone and say talk to them.

      I've also noticed that as soon as the alcohol starts flowing, the phone, if it doesn't get abandoned somewhere, gets used for showing bad music videos, a process that usually involves getting fairly close together so you can both see the screen.

    15. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most dorm rooms are segregated by gender, however the floor or building may or may not be segregated by gender. For example, my dorm freshmen year was co-ed by room, so while my roommate was male, the room next to mine was occupied by women, and bathroom and shower facilities were shared by both genders.

    16. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

      nice

    17. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      If playing Angry Birds or reading random stuff online beats having sex with such guy, the problem is not the smartphone.

    18. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Ridiculous, nobody would choose Angry Birds over sex like that. Now what MAY be cause for concern is that rather than spending the necessary time to get to know one another and establish a relationship that may lead to sex, one might choose Angry Birds because it's easier.

      But I doubt it. If you are too painfully shy to stop playing angry birds long enough to talk to the cute girl, you are probably too painfully shy to sit and try to make awkward conversation. Yet somehow even the geekiest of us usually end up married, so I don't worry about these things. (And once you're married, there is almost no reason to stop playing angry birds in public)

    19. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      I'm going to say that sedentary jobs have far more to do with that for adults than angry birds.

    20. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      I'm going to say that sedentary jobs have far more to do with that for adults than angry birds.

      This. Oddly, the obesity epidemic started up when we the Job Creators purged us of the soul-killing manual labor that was the scourge of previous generations. Praise be to the Job Creators!

      --
      by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
    21. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Depends. Like I said, girls don't have sex with every decent guy they meet. Guys are like, "Eh, she's okay, would hit it." Girls are either in SUPER SUPER HORNY MODE or they're ... available, if you push the right buttons. That guy at the bar, in the wife beater, the one that acts like he doesn't HAVE to give a shit? Somehow, that hits the right buttons, and he's bouncing girls off his lap like quarters off a cheerleader's ass, and then tossing them aside and never calling. You? You're nice, and totally in the friend zone; if you wanna fuck, you need to either be someone else or start playing for dating... girls generally go for commitment faster than one night stands (there are exceptions).

      Friend zone suddenly becomes hunting grounds when there's nothing to fucking do. Seriously, boredom is evil and sex is something to do.

    22. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Alcohol rape isn't legitimate rape, right? You can tell 'cause the body doesn't shut all that stuff down and the female gets pregnant.

    23. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Other way around. I mean to indicate that girls do not have a propensity to screw every decent guy they meet, and if you're just not batting a thousand or at least a good 850 they'll kick you into the friend zone. You can make a move but things get awkward because she "just doesn't think of you like that." SHE can make a move, but that would be awkward too, and you know ...awkwardness versus angry birds.... You might have some luck actually dating, which could lead to sex, but you're definitely not getting in her without upping the ante.

      Crushing boredom with nothing to do seriously trumps awkwardness. Seriously, with no other alternative to keep occupied, people will stammer and blush and fumble around and resort to "so like, you wanna... I mean..." "uh... yeahhh I.. guess we could..." "ehehe... umm.. so yeah! I uh..." until they figure out how to get their clothes off, because if they stop embarrassing the shit out of themselves all they've got left is staring at a wall checking out the shadows cast by imperfections in the smoothness of the paint.

      On the other hand, the iPhone has probably improved the spread of foundational Christian values in Georgia and Alabama, where there's absolutely nothing to fucking do and you keep getting locked in your house with your sister for 6-8 hours a day.

    24. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I understand who or what is being criticised here?

    25. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet somehow even the geekiest of us usually end up married, so I don't worry about these things.

      No, the geekiest of us end up alone. Many just overestimate their geekiness.

    26. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      If both are drunk (but still conscious) and have sex, then who raped who? Should they both go to jail?

    27. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You should probably know that there's a difference between a girl (or a guy) who has had a glass of wine or two and one who's passed out on the couch. Hint: if she's drooling, you probably shouldn't have sex with her.

    28. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to say that this being considered obese has far more to do with it than angery birds or sedentary jobs.

    29. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Stop the production lines! Trigger the EMP! bluefoxlucid isn't getting laid, so let's all put aside our technological toys so he can catch up.

    30. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by shiftless · · Score: 1

      I'm from Alabama, you stupid fuck. Clearly you are referring to yourself in your "hypothetical" example of people with zero social skills. Great job insulting a large portion of the country in your clumsy attempt to make a point.

    31. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by shiftless · · Score: 1

      The phone satisfies that, without actually being productive, since the chief way of occupying time with a phone is with a game of some kind.

      No, YOUR "chief way" of occupying time is through a game. I choose to employ my time elsewhere. Yes I have a smart phone, no I don't whip it out and start playing Angry Birds at every opportunity. Just because you and your friends were raised to be slaves doesn't mean everyone is.

    32. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... bored girls are a heck of a lot looser than occupied girls.

      Bored girls are more sociable but I wouldn't say looser. I think happy girls are horny girls. Of course there is some cross-over. It a woman is lonely, she is forced to talk with me. If I can provide suitable entertainment and validation, that may lead to sex. It also depends on said lonely girl not throwing herself at the next guy to walk into the building.

    33. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I guess I don't see the potential loss of casual sex due to women having been just pitiably bored as a huge social dilemma to solve. Personally, having grown up in the pre-smart phone world, I never had a lack of things to do. Books, projects, etc. always used up my free time. I'm not sure how you get so bored that it's either watch paint dry, or have sex with a stranger. Don't get me wrong, I'd take sex with random hot girls over all of those things, but it seems like an unusual scenario. Particularly in college, where there is usually more work to do than available hours.

      Now if the argument was that long term stable relationships weren't forming because people would rather play angry birds than seek meaningful relationships, I think I would be alarmed. I just don't think that's a problem, I'd be far more concerned about more consuming activities (like careers, or serious obsessive gaming) than smartphones.

    34. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Oh hell no, you can keep that. Guys are nasty and gross and girls gush goo everywhere and emit really strong, earthy smells that aren't entirely pleasant. That whole 'getting laid' thing is difficult and confusing and kind of stressful.

    35. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Oh, no, Alabamans have plenty of social skills.

      With their siblings.

    36. Re:Stop telling people what to do. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yeah the LTR thing isn't going to be damaged by this. This is all no big deal; I've just been making a concerted effort to damage the world and corrupt the younger generation. You know the law doesn't say teenagers can't buy barley, and it doesn't make it illegal to teach them to make beer? You just can't serve them alcohol; you can totally serve them the means to produce alcohol, but they have to produce it in a household with a legal drinking age adult (the law doesn't proscribe that the person producing must be of legal age--in fact, it proscribes 100 gallons per legal adult up to 200 gallons, but it can be one legal adult producing that 200 gallons in a household with two legal adults).

  7. I hated boredom... by malakai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can remember waiting awkwardly in line with other people with nothing more to do then stare at some advertisement or products around me. I, and certainly no one around me, wanted to start up a random stranger dialogue and shoot the shit. This alone caused me to be anxious. I hated waiting because I didn't know what to do, shuffle shuffle shuffle, hands in pockets, out of pockets, sigh, yawn... shuffle.

    I welcome the soft glow of my phone. It makes DMV, Passport agency, and anything in a municipal building _just a bit better_. Likely a few years from now an anthropologist will do a study about how fewer people are going 'postal' while waiting in line for some bureaucracy. How after waiting in line a few hours, the ability to play angry birds kept them from thinking about how much money they were going to be docked when they got back to work. It just may save someone's life.

    Also, lets not drone on about this 'habitual stimulation' always being entertainment. I see people on the subway who somehow manage to play games and watch videos, but I see just as many reading. Not to say reading can't be entertainment ( or that games and video can't be learning tools ). Just grouping everything people do with their smartphones into 'entertainment' is wrong.

    tl;dr: anthropologist overreacts.

    1. Re:I hated boredom... by John+Hasler · · Score: 0

      > ...I didn't know what to do...

      Did you ever try thinking?

      --
      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    2. Re:I hated boredom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      tl;dr: anthropologist overreacts.

      Not quite. Doug Gross is a writer for CNN.

      It took me a bit of time to read through this. Basically it's a CNN article with a link to a somewhat interesting (but mostly unrelated) piece about social groups and smoking, and another to the front page of some web site (which I don't care to explore to find why it was linked). I'm still not entirely sure what point he's trying to make, but it seems to boil down to this:
      "If you release a long-winded article with lots of vague terms and a scary-sounding headline, it generates page hits and I keep getting paid to write more just like it."

    3. Re:I hated boredom... by malakai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > ...I didn't know what to do...
      Did you ever try thinking?

      It's my default gear. Some would argue I do it too much. But standing in line, waiting, the problem with 'thinking', unless it was just for entertainment in which case I'd call it 'day dreaming' was that thinking lead to questions, and the questions necessitated answers. Not having reference material around me, or other sources to query, I could never get an answer to whatever I was pondering.

      Now, standing in line, when I think of something and I'm curious about it, I get to look at my phone and find ( most of the time ) an answer. I do this quite a lot. I wonder why the manhole covers I walked over on the way to the doctors office all said 'made in India'. I'd think about the cost of shipping them from India, about the conditions where they were made, about where the raw materials came from and how much of it does India have... and whether or not India meant The India or if it was some play on words...

      Cue my smartphone, and the answer, and some article about it ( I wasn't the first to wonder ). This is better than just thinking. This is being able to run little experiments in your head and validate a result in seconds.

      Just 'thinking' is so 80s....

    4. Re:I hated boredom... by rioki · · Score: 1

      I started to read the newspaper; on my phone! Beforehand I never bothered to buy a newspaper or even get a magazine. Just getting it was to much effort. Now I have online subscriptions to newspapers and I read them on my phone. Now someone tell me that reading newspapers on the way to work is considered bad? At least now I don't punch my neighbor in the nose when opening a new page...

    5. Re:I hated boredom... by dcherryholmes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "was that thinking lead to questions, and the questions necessitated answers. Not having reference material around me, or other sources to query, I could never get an answer to whatever I was pondering."

      I do not mean this in a snarky way, because I certainly while away time standing in lines with my own smartphone. This is just the thought your comment elicited in me... maybe you'd think of an answer yourself? It depends on the subject matter you're pondering of course. "Who's the Prime Minister of England?" isn't really what I'm talking about. But if it's a novel problem, maybe *not* having reference materials at hand would actually prod your brain in a direction nobody's thought of yet?

    6. Re:I hated boredom... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I welcome the soft glow of my phone.

      Pass the sickbag, Alice.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    7. Re:I hated boredom... by dywolf · · Score: 2

      People used to talk all the time. To random strangers.
      People didn't used to fear everything and everyone around them.
      Now, everyone you meet is a potential rapist, terrorist, or something else.
      Thank the news media and the politicians.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    8. Re:I hated boredom... by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The whole point of avoiding external stimuli and just thinking is to stop concerning yourself with mundane objects and trivia and concentrate on other things for a while. These things may include, but are not limited to, poetry, music, religion, philosphy, politics, psychology, relationships, nature, history, archaeology, painting, chess, cooking, sex and literature.

      Having no internal life is not something to be proud of.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    9. Re:I hated boredom... by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      These things may include, but are not limited to, poetry, music, religion, philosphy, politics, psychology, relationships, nature, history, archaeology, painting, chess, cooking, sex and literature.

      Although not necessarily in that order.

      --
      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
    10. Re:I hated boredom... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The whole point of avoiding external stimuli and just thinking is to stop concerning yourself with mundane objects and trivia and concentrate on other things for a while. These things may include, but are not limited to, poetry, music, religion, philosphy, politics, psychology, relationships, nature, history, archaeology, painting, chess, cooking, sex and literature.

      It's fairly ironic that in a list of things which supposedly involve avoiding external stimuli, all but two of them involve external stimuli. You have no idea what you are talking about, but felt compelled to do so anyway. I've done it too, I'm not perfect, but stop.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    11. Re:I hated boredom... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      People used to talk all the time. To random strangers.
      People didn't used to fear everything and everyone around them.
      Now, everyone you meet is a potential rapist, terrorist, or something else.
      Thank the news media and the politicians.

      I suppose it's an irony of life - we're all too scared to talk to random strangers, yet talking to random strangers is probably one of the ways to build a stronger, safer community. Heck, I'm sure most people these days rarely say more than a simple hello to their neighbours, if they even know their names.

      And hell, it's why people constantly talk about the weather - because it's something random strangers will easily talk about or relate to (despite being completely ordinary or boring topic).

      Once the sense of community fades and people want to become isolated and insular (this includes you and I who prefer to hang out in front of the screen too), fear starts setting in, compounded by talking heads on TV who prefer a one-way conversation trying to get you to look at them.

      Just think of all the people who drive their kids to school when they really could just walk there. (Heck, walking school "buses" often show kids that their friends are often only a few houses down).

    12. Re:I hated boredom... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      I can remember waiting awkwardly in line with other people with nothing more to do then stare at some advertisement or products around me. I, and certainly no one around me, wanted to start up a random stranger dialogue and shoot the shit.

      Methinks you have hit the nail on the head there.

      If one were to dig deep, it would not be surprising to find some dead-tree advertisement firms in the funding chain for this study somewhere. People's eyeballs are being seduced away from their carefully placed blandishments, and they don't like that one bit. Much better to force everyone to 'zone out' and let the ever-present advertising jargon seep directly into their subconscious. There are no ad block apps for billboards...and you can't pay $0.99 extra to upgrade to an ad-free bus ride.

      --
      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    13. Re:I hated boredom... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I assure you this was the case long before smartphones, if you lived in a sufficiently urban area. As a child in the 80s, the key message was "Don't talk to strangers".

    14. Re:I hated boredom... by Indras · · Score: 2

      I do not mean this in a snarky way, because I certainly while away time standing in lines with my own smartphone. This is just the thought your comment elicited in me... maybe you'd think of an answer yourself? It depends on the subject matter you're pondering of course. "Who's the Prime Minister of England?" isn't really what I'm talking about. But if it's a novel problem, maybe *not* having reference materials at hand would actually prod your brain in a direction nobody's thought of yet?

      Yeah, I've met people like this. They think up a question, then come up with an answer that seems logical, then go spewing to all their friends at work as though it were fact. In the case of the parent post, I could come up with a reasonable explanation about why manhole covers are made in India. I pretty much guarantee it would be wrong. If I never took the time to find out the correct answer, I could eventually just assume that I was right. I would say that coming up with a wrong answer and believing it to be correct is a far worse tragedy than simply whipping out the smartphone and doing a quick google search for the correct one.

      --
      The speed of time is one second per second.
    15. Re:I hated boredom... by dcherryholmes · · Score: 1

      I thought I addressed this type of question with my reference to the Prime Minister. I was thinking less of "what movie was that guy in" and more solving novel problems. You know, making new knowledge more so than just recalling existing knowledge.

    16. Re:I hated boredom... by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      Why be so hostile?

      It was clear that tehcyder was saying one should stop focusing on external stimuli (e.g. based on hard facts from WikiP and Google) and instead occasionally take the time to focus on these other more esoteric and less tangible subjects where subjective reflection and personal perspective can be important. He/She wasn't saying that these things in and of themselves where divorced from the material world.

      Even the most solid of materialist / atheist / reductionist mindsets could, I hope, agree that there is a physiological and emotional, and so by extension perhaps 'spiritual', element to human existence. Not everything that is true is a fact or a datum.

    17. Re:I hated boredom... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a reason for shutting down all libraries and schools. I think I'll pass on that one.

    18. Re:I hated boredom... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      It starts with the kids. We have multiple generations now that spent their entire childhood being told, "Don't talk to strangers". Those kids grow up, and it is a lesson that sticks with them. That is something that I have gone out of my way to avoid teaching my child. The problem is that if you don't just tell your child that all strangers are out to kidnap and kill them, you do have to start talking to them about how to evaluate who they should be talking to, and who they shouldn't. That means actually being a parent, and most people have abdicated that roll to the public school system where everyone on site has been cleared as "safe to talk to" whether they actually are or are not.

    19. Re:I hated boredom... by dcherryholmes · · Score: 1

      I suppose if you amplify what I was trying to say to 100%, total, fanatical "screech" you might conclude that. I thought the point I was making, packed full of caveats as it was, was more qualified and moderate. But I take your point, you caught a whiff of something you didn't like and decided to talk to that caricature rather than me. *yawn*

    20. Re:I hated boredom... by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

      Likely a few years from now an anthropologist will do a study about how fewer people are going 'postal' while waiting in line for some bureaucracy.

      Why did Idiocracy come to mind while reading this sentence?

      --
      Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
    21. Re:I hated boredom... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      No. The rational is exactly the same in the small case as the large. Having access to reference materials is something to deal with when you have no other choice. Reinventing the wheel is not a virtue.

    22. Re:I hated boredom... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      It's fairly ironic that in a list of things which supposedly involve avoiding external stimuli, all but two of them involve external stimuli. You have no idea what you are talking about, but felt compelled to do so anyway. I've done it too, I'm not perfect, but stop.

      No, drinkypoo, the moron here is you. If you can't think through such subjects without involving other people, you are an idiot--either due to birth, or because you've been trained to be so.

    23. Re:I hated boredom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok. Sex is obviously one. What's the other?

      [my captcha is "pairings"]

    24. Re:I hated boredom... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      He/She wasn't saying that these things in and of themselves where divorced from the material world.

      That is in fact what it said.

      Even the most solid of materialist / atheist / reductionist mindsets could, I hope, agree that there is a physiological and emotional, and so by extension perhaps 'spiritual', element to human existence.

      I personally feel that bringing spirituality into the discussion is quackery. There's no need for it, leave it out.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    25. Re:I hated boredom... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      But if it's a novel problem, maybe *not* having reference materials at hand would actually prod your brain in a direction nobody's thought of yet?

      In these days of web 2.0, with the internet bursting at the seams with "user generated content", what "articles" is one likely to come across while searching on an obscure topic like the "Made in India" question quoted above ? Of course some blog, whose author thought up a question, then came up with an answer that seems logical, and spewed on the internet via his blog.

      Which is worse than the guy himself thinking up a question, coming up with an answer that seems logical to himself, and spewed his own original answer even though wrong. At least requires much more use of creative faculties, even though the result is wrong in both the cases.

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    26. Re:I hated boredom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except maybe for relationships and sex, I'd say most people aren't thinking about any of those things when they're bored. I'd even go so far as to say that most people aren't doing much thinking at all, regardless of whether they are bored; most people's jobs don't require all that much thought. Nor are most people pondering, ruminating, or wondering. Most people don't give a shit.

      And the few people that are accustomed to thinking probably aren't wasting much time on the things complained about in TFA.

      The next great ideas in science and arts are far less likely to be delayed by smartphone distractions than by patents or copyrights.

      - T

    27. Re:I hated boredom... by lightBearer · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Though the listed items for the most part deal with things that are sourced from external stimuli, the act of cogitating on them for a while does NOT have to be external. Once you've read a piece of poetry or literature, heard a song or held a political discussion, you can go back and reflect on that. Distracting oneself with Angry Birds (the apparent favourite from reading so far) can prevent reflection on past experience or taking the time to extract meaning or insight from previous stimuli. That being the case, I'm guilty of hovering over my OpenSudoku while stuck at the DMV, so what do I know?

      --
      - No Bounce, No Play -
  8. I have the solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's called a Portable PC -- AKA Laptop / Notebook. Instead of fucking around with those damn consumtion centric smart phones and tablet devices I use a fully functional portable computer instead. I can make phone calls with it too (even better: Hands Free Video Chat), but typically I just use a cheap dumb "feature" phone for voice. If I can't compile my C programs on it, it's a worthless toy that I don't need. I've tried installing Debian on an Android Tablet, got a stand and portable bluetooth keyboard working... Then I realized how assinine it was to NOT be using a Laptop instead. Yeah it weighs a little bit more than a phone, and is slightly more cumbersome to cary than a purse, but I've got a messenger bag anyway and I'm not a fucking wimp.

    Not that I don't have the constant urge to be doing something -- I do, that sense of urgency is due to my limited 70-100yr lifespan. What I do to "kill time" is actually creative. When the urge strikes I make something, or jot notes on how to realize the idea later. I'm just as habitually a creator as most smartphone "addicts" are media consumers. The difference between me and smart phone users is that I don't whip out my laptop while I'm supposed to be socializing at a restaurant -- Oh, that would be rude... Protip: I think it's just as rude when you smartphone users do that.

    1. Re:I have the solution. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You could just get a smartphone with a keyboard and not carry around a purse.

    2. Re:I have the solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried the smartphone + keyboard already -- It sucks comparatively, as I've mentioned. In any event I'm not giving up my bag -- I like being able to carry my feminine hygiene products with me, as many women do... It seems more productive to simply carry a bag big enough for my PC.

    3. Re:I have the solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the condescending attitude in the world won't make your suggestion a viable alternative to smart phones/tablets. 99.9% of the population does not care about whether or not their portable devices can compile C code.

      Having a variety of devices at your disposal isn't bad, either. I have a laptop, but don't bother bringing it with me most of the time, because when I'm at work I have a decent desktop workstation to write code with, at home I have an excellent desktop workstation to write code with, and pretty much any other place I'm at I don't really need to write code. That's why my laptop usually stays at home unless I leave for extended periods of time (if my wife and I go visit family for the weekend I'll bring it with in case I want to do some coding at night once everyone else has gone to sleep). I do, however, bring a small android tablet with me most places. The only gaming I do with it involved emulators, for which I have a bluetooth controller, but it's also an excellent device for reading books, checking the news, browsing the web, or doing some light email.

      I am also a habitual "creator," and a tablet not only makes for an excellent tool for organizing thoughts, with internet access it can also be a valuable research tool. Getting some of that work done while on a bus or waiting for an appointment means you can maximize your free time at home for actually creating.

    4. Re:I have the solution. by justthinkit · · Score: 1
      What I do to "kill time" is actually creative.
      .

      Agreed. My recent "smart" purchase was to buy a quality voice recorder. Rather than try to bend a phone to my desktop-sized needs, I just make notes for later. My current system is to write such notes on paper, so this is a major upgrade.

      --
      I come here for the love
  9. Can someone summarize that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tl;dr

  10. Shower by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I get a lot of my most useful ideas in the shower. So lets hope they don't make a waterproof phone or I will stop innovating all together.

    1. Re:Shower by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't even really see that as a joke. It's in those quiet moments that my brain will often present me with an idea seemingly out of thin air. Who hasn't been dealing with some particularly tricky problem, mulled it over, banged their head against the wall on it, and then while they're eating lunch or taking a shower - BOOM - your brain suddenly puts the right connections together and you have some new insight.

      Smartphones seem to be stealing away all the quiet moments of our lives, and I've come to realize that those quiet moments are important. Not just for our peace of mind, but for our ability to really let our brains work well. Lunch has disappeared as a quiet time. The toilet has disappeared as a quiet time. I honestly think it's a problem.

      I experimented with not doing any "compulsive consumption" on my phone a few months ago, and while this is purely anecdotal, I felt like it really did improve my concentration overall.

    2. Re:Shower by DoctorBonzo · · Score: 1

      Do you use your left hand or right for those "useful ideas"?

    3. Re:Shower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are places that will waterproof you phone.

      I haven't noticed anyone doing a study about cellphone use replacing smoking as a thing to do when bored. Which is less harmful?

    4. Re:Shower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always solve tough math or engineering problems in the shower. Absolutely no joke.

    5. Re:Shower by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Thoreau covered this 150 years ago:

      Just so hollow and ineffectual, for the most part, is our ordinary conversation. Surface meets surface. When our life ceases to be inward and private, conversation degenerates into mere gossip. We rarely meet a man who can tell us any news which he has not read in a newspaper, or been told by his neighbor; and, for the most part, the only difference between us and our fellow is that he has seen the newspaper, or been out to tea, and we have not. In proportion as our inward life fails, we go more constantly and desperately to the post-office. You may depend on it, that the poor fellow who walks away with the greatest number of letters, proud of his extensive correspondence, has not heard from himself this long while.

      I do not know but it is too much to read one newspaper a week. I have tried it recently, and for so long it seems to me that I have not dwelt in my native region. The sun, the clouds, the snow, the trees say not so much to me. You cannot serve two masters. It requires more than a day's devotion to know and to possess the wealth of a day.

      Life Without Principle, 1863

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      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    6. Re:Shower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smartphones seem to be stealing away all the quiet moments of our lives

      s/stealing away/accepting the sacrifice of/

      Smartphone is not the decision maker in these situations.

    7. Re:Shower by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I get a lot of my most useful ideas in the shower. So lets hope they don't make a waterproof phone or I will stop innovating all together.

      There are now waterproof smartphones and there have long been transparent drybags through which you could use a normal one with a resistive panel, although I guess those are all but gone now, huh? But would you really use the device? I presume you just want to keep watching video while you're in the shower. I can understand using a device while pooping (keep track of which hand is which please, and clean the damn thing periodically... your hand too, yes) but showering? Please. You're busy, hopefully.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:Shower by curiousJan · · Score: 1

      I always solve tough math or engineering problems in the shower. Absolutely no joke.

      Me too.

      If I remember correctly, there is scientific basis for it based on the fact that a hot shower will cause your body to pull more blood volume to the core (and therefore the brain) generating higher levels of activity. I've solved some of my most challenging code/logic problems in the shower.

    9. Re:Shower by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      Wooosh....
      My comment about thinking in the shower was a way to agree with the premise of TFA. My comment about not wanting a waterproof phone for fear I'd use it in the shower was supposed to be funny due to the absurdity. However, with lots of people actually using phones on the toilet these days (WTF?) I suppose it's all too easy to think that was serious.

    10. Re:Shower by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      However, with lots of people actually using phones on the toilet these days (WTF?) I suppose it's all too easy to think that was serious.

      On occasion when I don't enough fiber I need some reading material. Sometimes what I'm reading is an ebook. Some people read ebooks on their phones. This is not so bad if you just clean your damned phone. Most people never do.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    11. Re:Shower by danger4242 · · Score: 1

      "the poor fellow who walks away with the greatest number of letters, proud of his extensive correspondence, has not heard from himself this long while."

      Reminds me of someone who has 500 facebook friends but is depressed and lonely.

    12. Re:Shower by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I don't know how you poop, but I would think that your hands wouldn't come into play until the very end when the phone is safely back in your pocket.

    13. Re:Shower by knarf · · Score: 1

      I have a waterproof phone. I don't use it under the shower though... It does survive my rather boisterous life style, from forest stream to stubble field to that rainy day on my bike. It even runs the latest incarnation of Android so if you really feel the need to inhibit your creativity under the shower there is not much stopping you...

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      --frank[at]unternet.org
    14. Re:Shower by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      There's no reason why you can't have your quiet moments where and when you want to, and in a more suitable environment to boot. I find long flat (i.e. not physically demanding) hikes in reasonably remote forested areas to be perfect for that.

    15. Re:Shower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have gotten lots of ideas while driving to the megamart and wandering the aisles. Quiet times are important. It's one of the few times the muse can come and lift us out of our drudgery.

  11. Go out for a walk by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just go out for a walk whenever you need to gather your thoughts and zone out for a bit. Touchscreens and walking don't mix...

    This tip works great until you get to the point where you subscribe to a large enough number of podcasts that there's always a queue lined up for you in your podcast player. If you're like me you can still zone out or let your mind drift a bit during the boring parts of the podcasts. Also, obviously, if you go out for a walk without your headset you commit to not listening to podcasts or music.

    1. Re:Go out for a walk by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Touchscreens and walking don't mix..

      I disagree. I often use my iPhone for posting to slashdot on the move even in heavy traff

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:Go out for a walk by Drethon · · Score: 1

      (Connection terminated unexpectedly)

    3. Re:Go out for a walk by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just go out for a walk whenever you need to gather your thoughts and zone out for a bit. Touchscreens and walking don't mix...

      Going for a walk is not avoidance of external stimuli for most people, because the vast majority of humans live in a situation in which if you ignore external stimuli, it may well kill you. And for most of the rest of us, we have something nice to look at, which is still external stimuli. For the average know-nothing that might not turn their wheels, but some of us are looking at the shape of the hill and wondering about the seismic processes that produced it.

      In the end, nobody really knows how much time you need to stare off into space to permit garbage collection, flashes of insight, recalibration, whatever is going on then. I suspect that it's very different for all of us, and further, the answer depends very much on your own personal goals, which no one else has a right to set for you. If my goal is to be a great philosopher I should probably split my time between doing, learning, and thinking. If my goal is to kick ass and take names in whatever it is that I do, maybe I'm going to spend more time learning by doing, and also thinking by doing. There's no law that says you can't be working one thing out while you're working another thing out.

      Finally, haven't you ever found yourself just staring into space even though you have interesting stuff right in front of you, as some thought forcibly intrudes into your conscious mind? Unless I'm doing something interactive that demands my attention (e.g. talking to someone, crossing the street, driving) I find that if I need some time to ponder a deep thought that's bubbled up out of my unconscious I just take it.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Go out for a walk by KarlIsNotMyName · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about that; wouldn't music be different? It doesn't quite entrap your mind as someone talking does.

      I also find that I go through my list of exercises more quickly when listening to music, than when listening to podcasts/youtube videos. And am more likely to run while out walking, than I am when listening to a talk.

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      We are all God's parents.
    5. Re:Go out for a walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have teams split between two office buildings. I regularly walk the 5 or so minutes between them (perhaps 2 or 3 times a day). I tell you in those 5 minutes where I'm not getting a phone call, or having conversations that start with "have you got a moment?", I'm finding I actually have insightful moments.

      I attribute this to stopping distractions in general - occupying myself with the act of walking and stepping back from a plethora of topics.

    6. Re:Go out for a walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been to NYC or SF? We're experts at that!

  12. Meditation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I started my meditation practice I was a full blown smart-phone addict. One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes. Somehow mindlessly browsing reddit was okay but just sitting and watching my breath was not. I'd get flooded with all kinds of thoughts about how I should be doing something productive and typically that was accompanied by anxiety.

    At some point I had to stop and ask myself, who exactly do I think is judging my behavior? Why do I even feel like I need to justify what I'm doing with my personal time? Of course the realization came that it was all me, all my mind, and I let go of the habit.

    Now I meditate regularly and still use my smart phone. I look forward to sitting and knowing I get time to just be. I'm comfortable with that and reap the benefits. I'm significantly less stressed during the day and my mind is calmer. I understand myself and my actions better. I still use the phone, but sometimes I don't. Sometimes it's nice to just be with your own mind.

    I wouldn't say smartphones have only banished boredom though. They, like many of our modern baubles, have also lowered the bar for when boredom sets in.

    An aside I feel is related I can't remember the last time I had a good meaningful conversation with a group of friends or even one on one. Hell, even meaningless conversation with depth seems to have left. It seems like on average things are being reduced to one or two sentences on a topic and topics which require multiple layers of thinking just don't come up.

    I find it paradoxical as someone who was a loner in school I can look at my life now and see more friends, supportive family, great co-workers, technology like facebook, SMS, and smart phones to be always connected and yet I feel more alone than I ever have. I feel lacking in community.

    1. Re:Meditation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There definitely is a stigma against multiple layers of thinking and I think it's getting worse. I believe this stigma is bred out of a fear of being seen as or associated with eccentrics. This is not a good thing,
      "That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief danger of the time" - John Stuart Mill.

    2. Re:Meditation by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes... An aside I feel is related I can't remember the last time I had a good meaningful conversation with a group of friends or even one on one. Hell, even meaningless conversation with depth seems to have left.

      I love it when someone gives me a reason to like being old enough to remember when phones were tied to walls and had no user ID. I'll crank up the stereo and sit on the porch with a beer and watch traffic go by for hours. Go to the bar and have meaningless conversations with the drunks (Crazy John is often amusing). Go to McDonald's with my daughter... I pity you kids.

    3. Re:Meditation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I envy you. I don't have time to just be anymore. Taking on a new position while still covering my old one, and filling in for the one we can't fill. I'm even troubleshooting in my sleep at this point. That's local government I guess.

    4. Re:Meditation by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      If listening to music is allowed then I can do nothing for a long time, just listening to music and watching the reels spin (also imagining the internal mechanism - belts, idlers etc).

      If I have to sit in silence (waiting in line for the doctor and I forgot my walkman) then my brain usually starts playing a 5 second loop of some earworm (and I spend all the waiting time trying to switch to some better song while at the same time thinking about what I will be doing when I get back home).

    5. Re:Meditation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes. Somehow mindlessly browsing reddit was okay but just sitting and watching my breath was not. I'd get flooded with all kinds of thoughts about how I should be doing something productive...

      Yes. I've done breathing meditation. In all seriousness, I have trouble counting past three breaths without other thoughts intruding. I don't really have a sense of "anxiety", but more like "an inability to stop planning". It takes a long time for me to settle down and just breathe.

    6. Re:Meditation by mjwx · · Score: 1

      One of the hardest earliest barriers to get over was the idea of sitting idle for 30 minutes... An aside I feel is related I can't remember the last time I had a good meaningful conversation with a group of friends or even one on one. Hell, even meaningless conversation with depth seems to have left.

      I love it when someone gives me a reason to like being old enough to remember when phones were tied to walls and had no user ID.

      I'm old enough to remember those. Hell, I even had a phone that had a dialing wheel instead of buttons.

      Anyone who doesn't remember the sound of pulse dialing needs to get off my lawn.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  13. Example - Kalman by gr8_phk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A classic example is the Kalman Filter. Devised by Kalman while he was waiting in a train station. We may not have that innovation today if he'd had an iPhone.

    1. Re:Example - Kalman by dido · · Score: 2

      We would not have the iPhone or any cellular telephony at all for that matter if the Kalman filter were not invented. The phase locked loop is a simple Kalman filter and it sees ubiquitous use in all sorts of radio circuitry.

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      Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
    2. Re:Example - Kalman by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > The phase locked loop is a simple Kalman filter...

      It's also much older than the Kalman filter.

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      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    3. Re:Example - Kalman by rasmusbr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And Harold Stephen Black invented the feedback amplifier on a short ferry ride in New York.

      The thing about inventions is that most inventions are made by multiple people around the same time and this happens because the ambient culture, knowledge and technology is available to them around the same time. The Kalman filter is based on a simple enough idea that it would almost certainly have been invented by someone else within years of Kalman's invention, if he hadn't made it then. The feedback amplifier is an even simpler idea.

      There are people who don't play angry birds or produce triple digits numbers of tweets every day and there will always be people like them.

    4. Re:Example - Kalman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah we would, it's just the story would then be "Devised by Kalman while he was playing Angry Birds".

    5. Re:Example - Kalman by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

      There are people who don't play angry birds or produce triple digits numbers of tweets every day and there will always be people like them.

      I fear you are wrong whilst praying you are right.

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      Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
    6. Re:Example - Kalman by c0lo · · Score: 1

      A classic example is the Kalman Filter. Devised by Kalman while he was waiting in a train station.We may not have that innovation today if he'd had an iPhone.

      Yes, we would (for every idea, chances are to have more than one person pondering in the area).

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      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
  14. My personal favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is while car pooling, the driver pulling out his smartphone and dicking around with it, eyes not on the road, barrelling along at 80 mph, in moose country, in the dark. Makes one appreciate not car pooling and just driving myself to work alone.

    1. Re:My personal favorite by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is while car pooling, the driver pulling out his smartphone and dicking around with it, eyes not on the road, barrelling along at 80 mph, in moose country, in the dark. Makes one appreciate not car pooling and just driving myself to work alone.

      You do know that killing someone in self defence is not a crime? Get the fucker to pull over and remove his head with your weapon of choice. You are just stopping him from killing you.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:My personal favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A moose once bit my sister...

    3. Re:My personal favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is while car pooling, the driver pulling out his smartphone and dicking around with it, eyes not on the road, barrelling along at 80 mph, in moose country, in the dark. Makes one appreciate not car pooling and just driving myself to work alone.

      You do know that killing someone in self defence is not a crime? Get the fucker to pull over and remove his head with your weapon of choice. You are just stopping him from killing you.

      I wonder if this defense would with smokers.

    4. Re:My personal favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... killing someone in self defence is not a crime ...

      Uhh, I think it has to be a clear and present danger. Which is a vague way of saying 'immediate and personal threat'. Since most machines are not aimed weapons, responding in 'self defense' is not acceptable.

  15. work time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of us have 8 hours everyday for "zoning out"...

    1. Re:work time by darkstar019 · · Score: 1

      mine is more like 10

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      Fuck Beta
  16. Remember Bilbo Baggins! by fluor2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sometimes he felt the need to take it out and hide from the real world.
    Always in his pocket, the temptation grew stronger and stronger.

    1. Re:Remember Bilbo Baggins! by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Sometimes he felt the need to take it out and hide from the real world.
      Always in his pocket, the temptation grew stronger and stronger.

      Hey! How did you know my phone is named 'Precious'?!?

      --
      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    2. Re:Remember Bilbo Baggins! by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Sometimes he felt the need to take it out and hide from the real world. Always in his pocket, the temptation grew stronger and stronger.

      I admit, I have one of those too, and it's spelled almost like "bilbo".

      --
      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
  17. Doing Vs Being by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We are what we do" - it is ingrained in our culture that be must 'do' rather than 'be'. We have a total incapacity to enjoy peacefulness - to the point it makes us anxious. Why is it we need a constant distraction from not only the world around us, but from ourselves?

  18. Bored people have more Sex... therefore..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I get it now. Bored people have more Sex... therefore..... This is an organized effort toward population control!!!
    Neat trick. And here I thought it was merely a way to track every aspect of our lives in order to sell us more stuff.
    My bad.

    1. Re:Bored people have more Sex... therefore..... by darkstar019 · · Score: 2
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      Fuck Beta
    2. Re:Bored people have more Sex... therefore..... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Bored people have more Sex

      I love this slashdot fantasy that is only our frenzied obsession with technology that leaves us with no time for mundane trivia like having sex.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  19. Read a book by KritonK · · Score: 1

    When you're feeling bored, don't grab your smartphone, go read a book. You can even upload books on your smartph... no, never mind.

    1. Re:Read a book by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Books are a perfect example of why the whole argument is bogus. I know plenty of avid readers that are complete morons. They think they are smart because they have been told that people who read a lot are smart. They don't get that reading trashy pulp fiction romance novels don't make you smart. The same applies for trashy sci-fi, fantasy, or any other pulp fiction genre.

  20. Oh Is That What It Is by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know a number of people who must have a TV going, no matter how mindless whatever show is that's on. I'm sure they probably have infomercials going at 2 in the morning. I always assumed that if they didn't have constant inane chatter going, they might actually start thinking and realize their own mortality or the meaninglessness of their lives or something. If you get one of these people someplace that doesn't have a TV, they will just natter on. If you want to make them really uncomfortable, just grin and don't say anything when they wind down, and watch them start to fidget! Just about the time they open their mouth to say something else, ask them what they're so afraid of. That freaks them out!

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:Oh Is That What It Is by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 1

      You sound fun at parties.

    2. Re:Oh Is That What It Is by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      I usually latch on to the nearest person and show them pictures of my cat being cute on my smartphone for the next hour! My entire existence is one big piece of performance art!

      --

      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  21. Not just phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Phones are just the most immediate example. Computers, tablets, TV, video-game consoles... there are thousands of ways I can keep occupied. I never have an opportunity to be bored because I have so many alternatives.

    I'm trying to write a novel. I find it EXCEEDINGLY difficult because when I'm staring at that blank screen trying to coalesce my thoughts into words, I am constantly reminded of all my other options. Maybe just a quick jump to Wiki for some "research" or, maybe I'll take a break on the XBox. Oooh, call of nature? Grab the iPad! And I never leave the house without my e-reader (actually, an iPod touch, but that's its primary purpose) in my pocket.

    Smartphones just add to that chaos.

    I finally concluded the only way I was going to get any work done was to leave it behind. So every day I walk two miles down the road to a nice park... and I write with a pen and pencil. It's worked so far.

  22. TFS is boring, never mind TFA by Maow · · Score: 1

    It's all TL;DR.

    *goes back to playing angry birds*

    Huh? No, I am not over stimulated! My attention span is just fine, thank you ver-

    *angry angry birds*

  23. The Shallows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Makes a good point which, however, was better made by Nicolas Carr in "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains".

  24. Demolition Man by MatrixCubed · · Score: 1

    Technology shapes social interaction. This brings to mind, the "sex scene" between Spartan and Huxley.

  25. No Cell Phone: AMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a 26 year old graduate student, and I got rid of my cell phone in 2009. Never been happier, never looked back. AMA.

  26. I'm never bored by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    I'm never bored. My imagination can keep me occupied for hours. I don't know if this is good or bad, it just is.

  27. Websurfing by Hillgiant · · Score: 2

    Or sometimes you provide TMI to /.

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  28. Your fate is in your own hands by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    I don't get it when people lament about what technology has made them "lose." All one needs to do is change one's behavior, and instantly go back to the way things used to be. Or back to how they are now. Look! Options! More options than we had before!

    I fail to see how anyone has lost anything of value. If, instead, the whiny writer is complaining that he can't put down the smart phone and smell the flowers, then his real problem is a lack of willpower.

    --
    [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
    1. Re:Your fate is in your own hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, author looks like a technophobe afraid of change. ON NO, PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY!!! THE WORLD IS GOING TO SHIT!!!

      I mean, I somewhat agree with the writer. I don't have a smart phone because my work and home has plenty of pc equipment. When I go out I'm typically with people, and I enjoy visiting with them, so there is really no reason for me to have a smartphone, and typically when i'm out i don't feel comfortable tuning my surroundings out...but then again I just love people watching, which is way more entertaining than some phone games.

      But seriously, why are we getting mad that we have essentially an open channel to millions of people in our pockets, information and communications at our fingertips, as well as rich entertainment that we have the option to use or not? If anything, most of the great creations and apps we have were inspired by playing one ourselves. If anything I've felt that entertainment has pushed me to try to create my own stuff.

      People make lots of snap judgments. I see several people on the phone not paying attention, I think the world is going to shit, I think this guy NEVER takes his head up from the phone, even though I only saw him using his phone for 5 minutes, our brains say, DAMNIT THAT GUY NEVER GETS OFF HIS PHONE!!! We don't follow people around 24x7, these public anecdotal evidence the world is going to shit because I'm 30+ and people younger than me do something different crap needs to stop.

    2. Re:Your fate is in your own hands by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      No, your fate is not entirely in your own hands. Although the pressure of social conformity is not as strong as (for instance) the need to find food or water, nevertheless in civilised affluent countries it becomes important. And the social norm nowadays in the West is to sit there with your fucking phone, texting, chatting, facebooking or whatever. I bet if you went and sat in most coffee shops for an hour staring out the window they'd call the cops.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    3. Re:Your fate is in your own hands by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      rich entertainment

      That's just a buzzwordy way of saying it's shiny and you can leave messages somewhere at the bottom.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    4. Re:Your fate is in your own hands by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      The pressure of social conformity is as strong as you let it be. No more, no less.

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      [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
  29. Gasp! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    "This invention is the ruination of society, and will corrupt our precious bodily fluids!" --- all people afraid of the future throughout history ever

  30. crosswords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Am i the only person that never fall into "Boredom" cause i ever had Crosswords on my jacket internal pocket ?

  31. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an introvert who loves just thinking at times (I'm sure there are a few on this site), before cell phones,I noticed people found ways to occupy themselves without reflective thought. I didn't because it's in my nature, I like looking around at things and thinking when I'm idle...it's natural to me really. I think it really is more of a predisposition thing than something cell phones are encouraging/causing. One of my friends who's a polar opposite said this: "Now with the internet, you can stay put and not be bored while before you always had to do something."...I don't need to do anything and I never really understood others' "boredom".

    If that sounded like "hypothesizing", well it is. Note that TFA gives no studies but a damn survey, so his opinion is as good as my own, I guess. Another problem with TFA...Getting expert opinion is nice but a study verifying this "hypothesis" is actual science would be much better than opinions.

  32. You're using is wrong by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your cell phone is a "distraction" all the time, you're using it wrong. Not that having a distraction from time to time is a bad thing. Still, my phone is a tool to get things done, which allows me to do more of what I want to do. Between work and my hobby/social activities, I probably have the equivalent of three pre-smart-phone full time jobs, and almost nothing gets lost or dropped or forgotten.

    I still have "down time," it just gets interrupted less by all those nagging items I used to have to keep track of manually. My down time is of a higher quality now.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  33. Secondary entertainment value by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

    Each new advance in consumer gadgetry affords the hyperactive lemming a new channel for mindless amusement. The creative and the imaginative among us are thereby amused by the playful lemmings, in much the same vein as the Darwin awards. An ironic win/win, isn't it?

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    Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
  34. Not such a good replacement. by terbo · · Score: 1

    You stare at your Iphone.

    I'll stare at the fire.

    Thanks, though.

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    If you're interested in facts I'll tell you what they are and I'll give you sources - Chomsky on The Big Idea
  35. I will show this to my granddaughter by cvtan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, the 18-year-old is so preoccupied with responding to text messages on her phone and posting to Facebook on her iPad that she can't read this article, answer a simple question or have a normal conversation. I am not exaggerating. She comes to see me because I have internet service and Wi-Fi. She drives, but I'm not sure how. Every time I try to engage her to discuss something important, the phone beeps and she has to leave to see someone. She has a minimum wage job and the other day she announced she was getting an iPhone. Cell phone companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need $100/mo cell phones when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses. I fear her mind is gone.

    --
    Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
    1. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so preoccupied with responding to text messages on her phone and posting to Facebook on her iPad that she can't read this article, answer a simple question or have a normal conversation

      There are human solutions today, though they are still controversial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXSPf9b-xI

    2. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by cvtan · · Score: 1

      I had seen this, but thanks for reminding me! This has to be the parents decision though.

      --
      Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
    3. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Institute a 'cell off in my yard' rule. You do not have to put up with someone who is rude... Which is what she is doing. Tell her that.

    4. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by lexman098 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cell phone companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need $100/mo cell phones when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses.

      You're already at +5 so I'll just quote this for posterity.

    5. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Cell phone companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need $100/mo cell phones when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses.

      Don't worry, all her medical decisions will be made for her in a year or two, so all she'll have to do is figure out where to sleep. If she's too busy with the phone to eat much she should have no problem.

      I fear her mind is gone.

      A lot of people have retreated from reality. Like, basically all of us. We can all see that something bad is coming, but we're not stopping it. Most of us are engaged in furiously pretending that world politics are not building towards ugliness, and just about all of us have got some kind of escape. It's hard to blame her, because just what is she supposed to do to change things? Or maybe you're right, maybe she's just dumb. In which case one wonders how much of the responsibility for that you share, since you're her forebear.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Nah, just a typical kid.

      I think most people have to go through a phase of internet addiction to learn how much it sucks--and I classify being clued to a smartphone in that category.

    7. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      She has a minimum wage job and the other day she announced she was getting an iPhone. Cell phone companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need $100/mo cell phones when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses. I fear her mind is gone.

      Don't worry, that's the normal insanity experienced by every 18 year old. She'll grow out of it. Don't you remember being 18 and all the stupid shit you did?

    8. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      We really need to rethink our definition of "minor child". In this day and age, the age of majority is far too low. We need to up that to 25 for any and all important decisions. Driving, voting, gambling, drinking, ability to enter into contracts - bam, you get it all at 25. It made sense to set the age to 13 when you already knew everything you needed to at 8 years old and you probably wouldn't live to see 30. But nowadays when you basically need a college education for a well paying job (meaning your education doesn't finish until 21-22) and living in a very information-centric society, I think we need to reconsider our age limits.

      This isn't to say that 25 year old people don't do stupid stuff too, but at least by then your impulse control is fully developed and you *should* know better.

    9. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got news for you, $100/month will not do anything to most medical bills, at least here in the US.

    10. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right! If it's so bad out there, how come we have all this crap???

    11. Re:I will show this to my granddaughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell phone companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need $100/mo cell phones when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses.

      This is an excellent point, and I dare say one that could be further generalized:

      Companies have done a great job convincing poor people that they need expensive luxuries when they can barely afford a place to live or pay for medical expenses.

      That being said, you might have an easier time getting your granddaughter to read the article if you send her a link on Facebook.

  36. The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phone by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3

    I ride a lot on commuter trains, and I notice that most folks who are talking on the phone really aren't saying anything. But many seem to have a fear of not talking on the phone. As soon as they end one call, they call someone else, to talk about what they talked about on the last call. When they lose their connection, they break out in a sweaty panic.

    It reminds me of little kids, who get afraid and cry when their parents leave to room. The kids have a feeling of being abandoned: that their parents will be gone forever. It's almost the same way with folks with phones now. If they are not talking on the phone, they lose their lifeline to this universe, and will cease to exist.

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  37. Ah, smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was there this much rampant pop psychology surrounding the emergence of television? It certainly seems like they've already surpassed the "video games and violence" studies in sheer number. Every time a new technology is adopted en mass, there's certainly an overabundance of pop psychology "studies" signalling plenty of FUD over it. I can remember at least some of these media-reported "studies" turning out to be undergrad class projects with samplings in the dozens, spanning all of a month.

  38. It's My Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own it completely and utterly. At any moment I will do as I please no matter what an anthropologist or moralist says. I work, I play, I have a wife and two friends with further benefits -- I like occupying my time. I also like watching football on TV, reading books, listening to music and sometimes just closing my eyes and taking a nap in a comfy chair with my cat nearby. My life is quite full and enjoyable right now and to be quite honest I don't give a damn what someone thinks about any aspect of it.

    1. Re:It's My Life by maharvey · · Score: 1
      > I don't give a damn what someone thinks

      says the AC!

  39. Bradbury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny.... I just finished reading Fahrenheit 451 with my 13 yr old this week.. I think he was on to something,

  40. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by beaverdownunder · · Score: 2

    It's not that they're afraid they'll 'cease to exist' but separation anxiety is a bit closer to the truth -- anxiety disorders have become epidemic in recent years for a number of reasons I won't get into here, and talking to someone familiar is a typical way of preventing panic attacks due to agoraphobia, or claustrophobia, both of which become a factor when you're locked on a train with strange people. The part of your brain prone to panic doesn't understand that the familiar person you're talking to isn't actually there with you, and so becomes relaxed. Once they're 'gone', and you're 'alone' again, all of the anxiety comes back.

  41. I, for one, welcome our smartphone overlords by ritchman · · Score: 1

    Let's be honest: what was the basic action against boredom? TV!

    I, for one, consider smartphones much more useful gap-fillers than television (or on the toilet: reading shampoo usage instructions :). On the television you only rarely watch meaningful programmes, and even if you do, selection is much more limited. (Fox news, hello.)

    On the smartphone you read news, you read blogs, you watch youtube videos. It can, of course be "abused" for gaming, but you get bored with a certain game lot sooner than you'd think.

    1. Re:I, for one, welcome our smartphone overlords by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Not to mention gaming (depending on the game) has a specific period of time to play. I have a few quite interesting games on my iPhone and iPad but the more interesting ones can take 15 minutes to 45 minutes to complete a game (Ticket to Ride, Small World, Plague, Inc especially).

      So I'm more likely to break out an ebook to read if I'm idle somewhere. I bring my iPad with me when my wife is out shopping so I can sit on the bench and read.

      [John]

      --
      Shit better not happen!
    2. Re:I, for one, welcome our smartphone overlords by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      On the smartphone you read news, you read blogs, you watch youtube videos

      Are you seriously using youtube as an example of the high quality of material available on the internet?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    3. Re:I, for one, welcome our smartphone overlords by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Compared to television - yes.
      TV in my country is filled with copies of American reality TV shows (dancing with the stars, singing (duet - a professional singer and some random guy/girl) and so on just with local people, not the actual American episodes) and soap operas (earlier in the day) there really isn't anything to watch. At least there are some good videos on youtube.

  42. Dilbert blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scott Adams addressed this last year in his blog. http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/creativity/

  43. Still no good resource on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It amazes me that there is no decent website with up to date information on smartphones. I mean, aside from the typical advertisement sites. For example one which you can specify criteria to browse available devices. Say you only want to see smarthones running Windows Mobile that have a 1d barcode scanner and bluetooth etc.

  44. What a retard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually feel dumber after reading the summary.

  45. No, trust me, boredom is still here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I speak from experience. Boredom is still alive and well... Every day I experience it for 9 hours at work.

  46. High tech pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't these just a high-tech version of what we put in babies mouths to shut them up?

  47. Sounds familiar by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    There was an article on CNN's web site the other day from a supposed comedian about how he was challenged to go an entire day without his phone.

    He wrote about how he was able to look around as he walked around New York, observing other people, looking in shop windows, etc, all for about 15 minutes when he started to get anxious that maybe someone, somewhere was trying to contact him. Maybe by voice, maybe by email.

    So he made a big production of trying to finding a Net cafe wherein he was able to check his email and found, contrary to his narcissism, only some generic emails but nothing of importance.

    He also regaled us with his commentary on finding a pay phone in New York, and how it smelled and looked like a latrine, and when he called his voice mail, miracles of miracles, there were no messages.

    So yes, smarthphones may have "banished" boredom, but it has created a whole host of other problems with people having separation anxiety if they're not hooked in for five minutes.

    --
    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Sounds familiar by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Hehe reminds me of this summer, a bunch of us went away to a cabin for a weekend that had no cell phone coverage. Could everybody stay off their phones for 48 hours? A few but the majority drove back into coverage range to check in. Several showed clear signs of abstinence and withdrawal problems. But when they got over it we had a lot more fun than when people are constantly on their phone. I think that's the biggest issue with the "always on" mentality, it also means you're never really off and 100% there in the moment.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  48. Doing it in your head. by RonTheHurler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like to ask my kids- what would have happened to the United States if Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were hooked on watching The Amazing Race or playing Angry Birds instead of reading history and writing the constitution? That couldn't happen to such smart guys, you say? What if they had been trained from early childhood to just sit and watch whatever was on the TV or to play twitch games instead of doing something constructive?

    When I was a kid I built a lot of models, rewired telephones and I watched Star Trek. One scene that helped define my life was when Spock was apparently staring off into space, and Kirk asked: "Shouldn't you be working on that warp implosion equation?" (or something like that) To which Spock replied with utmost confidence, "I am."

    I was so impressed with that, that I started looking for problems to solve and solving them in my head -- things like calculating the length of a train based on my speed in the car, the train's speed and how long it took our car to overtake it (this required having my dad match the speed of the train and then drop back far enough to accelerate to a steady speed to overtake it. Good thing I had accommodating parents!) I got so good at this kind of thing that I failed a math test (multiplying matrices) in High School. "But I got all the answers right." I confidently told the teacher. "Yes, but you didn't show any work, at all. There are only answers here. You obviously copied someone else's paper." I reminded her that I was the first to tun mine in, by a long shot. She begrudgingly gave me the 100%.

    You can imagine that this skill helped out tremendously in software development.

    All I have to say is, if you ever get bored, ever, then you're not doing it right, even if you don't have anything to play with but your wits. Temple run? I tried it once. Once. Boooooooring!

    1. Re:Doing it in your head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so glad you found the time in your busy schedule as a mental giant to post on Slashdot to remind us all of your moral superiority.

    2. Re:Doing it in your head. by NikeHerc · · Score: 2

      I'm so glad you found the time in your busy schedule as a mental giant to post on Slashdot to remind us all of your moral superiority.

      I don't know why RonTheHurler's posting brought out such a harsh comment. I thought his posting was the most informative I've read on /. in months.

      --
      Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
  49. Alone Time by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

    It's one of the things I like about taking a motorcycle out on a trip or even a day ride. Since you can't browse the internet[0] or make phone calls[1], I tend to enjoy the ride free of distractions. After a bit of time, I've flushed all thoughts of work out of my mind and start thinking of other things. It frees my mind to come up with interesting ideas.

    It's a problem my wife and I have had. She wants to go out for a hike and spends the time just being in the woods, one with nature. I'm constantly thinking of other things while walking or even things about the hike itself. Especially since I'm a gamer, I'm thinking tactics or even historical information (more like, "I wonder who found this trail, think about what it would have been like to be trailing a mule up into the mountains looking for gold").

    The bad part is even when I write them down, when I get home I'm distracted by all the other stuff again so I have several partially started or projects that aren't started at all sitting around the house. I find I have to really force myself to shut out reading Slashdot or any of the other forums I follow in order to get other computer type stuff done.

    [John]

    [0] There are folks who'll try anything. I've seen pictures of guys on cruisers talking on their cell phones.
    [1] Technically you can use a bluetooth headset or wired connection to make calls. I've used them and they're fine for accepting them but making a call is a bit more difficult unless you stop first.

    --
    Shit better not happen!
    1. Re:Alone Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      California has legalized self-driving cars. This problem is only going to get worse.

  50. Proof of concept by vs_chronos · · Score: 1

    Proof of concept: here I am killing the time while waiting or the train by reading Slashdot! and by doing so I am also destroying my long range sight (I need glasses for seeing far away but in short range it is still good). When will the dream of ubiquitous computing become true?

  51. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by schlachter · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I think we as humans can't stand to be alone with ourselves doing nothing...so we call people for the social contact. In the old days, this need was satiated by writing letters and sending them off....despite the obvious latency. On the flip side, my commute is often the only time of the day/week when I have time to make personal calls...so all my relationship maintaining calls get crammed into an hour or less each day when I'm commuting.

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    My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
  52. Boredom is Artifical by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Boredom, like retirement, is an artificial modern thing. Our ancestors weren't bored. They had a tremendous amount to get done. Be busy, prepare for winter, drought or what ever or you will die.

    Our family has a small farm. We're never bored. There is alway plenty to do.

    1. Re:Boredom is Artifical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our ancestors weren't bored.

      The rich ones were.

    2. Re:Boredom is Artifical by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      When Adam delved and eve span,
      Who was then the gentleman?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  53. Smoking! by cazzazullu · · Score: 1

    Back in the days when I was young, you could smoke almost everywhere (Europe here), and nobody cared. There are still ashtrays in the trains and bathroom stalls at our university, however you cannot use them anymore (at least for their original purpose). Whenever someone got bored, they smoked. And put a bunch of smokers together, and they start chatting...

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    int main(void) {while(1) fork(); return 0;}
  54. Anomaly by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Even though I have a "smartphone" and enjoy it sometimes for all it can offer I purposely go out of my way to read magazines waiting in offices(if its something cool like NG, et al). When riding the train to/from work(the worst place to see gadgetophilia) I listen to music or read a book or magazine.

    I noticed when the iPhone and Droids first came out, that within a few months it had become the norm in our society to "veg out" on these devices, not only to the detriment of public safety(driving, walking, etc) but to the detriment of common courtesy and respect in dealing with others in our society(queue George Castanza).

    These devices are great and I use mine like the rest of us, but I think people need to exhibit some self control in their use.

    --
    We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
  55. Science? by Zalbik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this story tagged science? I RTFA, and I didn't see any science there. I see an opinion piece from an anthropologist, without a shred of actual science attached to it. No studies, no control group, no data, nothing.

    With their games, music, videos, social media and texting, smartphones 'superstimulate,' a desire humans have to play when things get dull,

    Really? And where are the psychological studies to back this up? Neurological data? I thought not. Typical ivory tower "publish or perish" piece crapped out by the soft "sciences".

  56. It's a fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just a fad. After a while people get bored with playing/reading/gaming on their smartphones all the time. They again will long for just gazing at nothing while standing in line, &tc.

  57. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who have "anxiety disorders" ought to go and try living in Africa or India without any money for a few months.

  58. Zone-out time is important by talexb · · Score: 1

    Think about the last time you had a revelation -- walking somewhere by yourself, washing yourself in the shower, driving somewhere without the radio on. That's valuable thinking time.

    I used to be on Twitter dozens of times a day -- no pictures of the meal I was about to eat, but lots of surfing. I took a two week trip to China, and limited my wireless access to a few times a day for E-Mail only -- the rest of the time I was off the grid. Now I'm back in Canada, I'm continuing that trend -- I've visted Twitter a few times, but my participation is way down. Even riding the subway with my eyes closed is a nice respite from a busy day.

    It's important to get your brain some time off.

  59. Point is moot: most people want to watch TV by mveloso · · Score: 2

    Most people don't have an iota of creativity in them. None. Zero. Nada. The smartphone won't change that.

    Are there creative geniuses being suppressed because of non-stop access to entertainment? Probably not. Being creative isn't just coming up with ideas, it's executing those ideas. Execution requires focus. If you're distracted by your phone, you'd be distracted by pretty much everything else as well.

    I think that process discipline counts for more than creativity. If you read "how I write" books, a common theme is to dedicate X hours a day for writing, period. You can write or not write, but you have to sit there and do nothing else.

    That sort of discipline is probably something they should teach in school, but they don't. Of course the phones don't help, but if you can't ignore your phone you won't be able to ignore anything else either (like windows solitaire, the bane of authors and writers everywhere).

    1. Re:Point is moot: most people want to watch TV by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Are there creative geniuses being suppressed because of non-stop access to entertainment? Probably not.

      There's a proverb "necessity is the mother of invention" - if you don't need to entertain yourself chances are far slimmer that you will, even if you have the capability. For example it's not that hard to grow food, but many people have never eaten their own vegetables, hunted their own meat or fished their own fish. There's always food at the grocery store so why bother? So if there's always a YouTube video, PodCast or updates on Facebook to entertain you, why bother? And even creativity takes training, nobody writes epic books on their first try any more than athletes start at the top. If you never started at amateur level you're never going to get to the stage where you dedicate hours of your day to writing a book.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  60. I Can Attest To This Being True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spent about 5 years with sever sleeping problems. They called it sleep maintenance issues where I would wake up consistently after only a few hours of sleep and could never get back to sleep. After trying all sorts of treatments myself I went to the Dr who gave me sleeping pills that drove me crazy... Literally don't ever take Ambien it's almost like taking low dosages of LSD. But anyway after they took me off the medication the nurse suggested that as an IT guy I'm probably getting to much stimulation. I cut back on my use of cell phones and computers and walla - I sleep like a brick. If I spend to much time on the computer or if I watch Netflix to soon before going to bed.. I wake up like clockwork in the middle of the night.

    Most people don't realize it but these devices seriously over stimulate people. Even more so for people like myself who have engineering positions and use our brains all day and need the down time so our bodies can work right.

  61. Agreed by gaelfx · · Score: 1

    I've been thinking about it since my son was born, and I think a lot of these things they're saying are true (for me at least). Originally, I had planned to get an sgs3 when I returned to the States, but now I'm thinking I'll probably buy something more like an older nokia bar phone, and in fact newegg has one for about $30 (with built-in flashlight?!?).That coupled with no need (or ability) to use data on a prepaid plan probably means I'll end up saving tons of otherwise doubly wasteful cash, since I would be spending it on something that would just waste more time. If I keep it long enough, then it's that much better for the environment as well. Yes, I'm that guy.

  62. The four horsemen of insight born of reflection by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    1)Twitter 2) Facebook 3) Smart Phones and 4) [reader's choice]... it's as if there's a war not FOR your attention but ON your attention .

    Here's a little true story that highlights the relative value of "keeping up" with spending the same time in serious dedicated study and thought.

    When I was in high school, I had a buddy whose dad was a full math prof. at an Ivy League. His house didn't have a TV

    If you asked this guy :"why no TV?", he'd say that most of that stuff was of no real interest and if anything really big happened, someone would tell him about it.

    We all thought of him as eccentric and maybe he was.

    Then 9-11 happened and he left his job at the uni to go head up a new department at the NSA which was based around his specialty.

    Some people "keep up" with events and other people ...well, they have a hand in making those events.

  63. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by Drethon · · Score: 1

    So self medicating, wonder what doctors would say about this medication...

  64. It's still a choice. by darpo · · Score: 1

    Look, I'm about as technologically inclined as it gets. I'm posting this from my current generation Android, I work in software, I read tech blogs daily. But I also hike and do Zen meditation and zone out at my desk at work. It's not an either / or proposition. You can have both.

  65. Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2
    Yes, us anti-social Americans.

    I am standing in the queue for free organic-grown vegetables on a college campus. The students doing this are very professional and capable and not like the hippie farmers in Easy Rider, but still, standing in a queue for free organic vegetables is a kind of hippie "share the love" kind of thing not for "uptight" people and squares. Still . . .

    The dude standing in front of me is making minor doodles on his spiral-notebook work journal. The notebook entries have some familiarity to me, which I suspect are "adjoint forms" or some mathematician boojum for stuff than engineers notate differently.

    "Hi. Couldn't help from noticing what you are working on. Group theory?

    (curtly and in a Francophone accent) "No, abstract algebra . . ." (yeah, as if there was some difference between the two)

    "What is your affiliation on campus?"

    "Grad student in mathematics."

    "My work is in engineering. You know, there is a lot of interest in the community studying robotics and machine mechanisms in applications of abstract algebra."

    (silence)

    I have a paper out on using algebraic formal power series expansions to solve for linkage mobility. You do any work with series expansions?

    (silence)

    (we get closer to the head of the line) Those green tomatoes over there -- you can eat those, they are just a special kind that stays green when they are ripe.

    (silence)

    1. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by Romwell · · Score: 1

      I bet he was embarrassed because he had no idea what he was doing in that abstract algebra class, and had nothing to say to you. Then he felt even more dumb for not knowing about green tomatoes. The lack of social skills topped it off. I wish I could get green tomatoes here :)

    2. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he thought it was weird that you repeated word-for-word everything you said to him.

    3. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to France for a long time, but in general in Europe there are appropriate times for talking to a stranger, and then times when people assume the other one wants privacy.

      I'd consider someone reading my notebook over my shoulder quite rude (an invasion of my privacy), and someone talking to me in a shop is probably intruding (depending on the country, shop assistants in Europe will often ignore you unless you signal that you want help).

      It would be OK to chat while queueing for a cinema ticket, or at a bar.

      Talking to strangers on public transport is OK in the late evening, but not when most people are trying to zone out on their way to or from work.

    4. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that he was not in the mood to talk. There is nothing wrong with it - respect it, do not take it personally and everything is going to be fine.

    5. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by shiftless · · Score: 1

      "My work is in engineering. You know, there is a lot of interest in the community studying robotics and machine mechanisms in applications of abstract algebra."

      "Shut up please, I don't want to talk to you."

      I have a paper out on using algebraic formal power series expansions to solve for linkage mobility. You do any work with series expansions?

      "Do you mind? I'm trying to work here."

      (we get closer to the head of the line) Those green tomatoes over there -- you can eat those, they are just a special kind that stays green when they are ripe.

      "Take a hint mother fucker, and LEAVE ME ALONE."

      FTFY

    6. Re:Casual queue conversations on abstract algebra by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      There must be some steady progression to that level of tightness by even those who pretend there is nobody else in the room trying to be social with them. Sadly, we must infer that it starts at the commonly cheerful, talk-friendly childhoods we start in, and develop to the attitude shown.

      And then there are those people at work who refuse to say hello and goodbye even if you initiate them yourself. You just look behind and they're gone, like they're ghosts materializing at their chair to meet some money quota. And I'm not talking about jaded retirement-ripe, family-tied humans either. They just don't believe people exist outside of meeting their own daily communication *needs* and nutrition. Signs of the times.

  66. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctors don't like self medication; It infringes on their monopoly.

  67. Agreed by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    Somewhere between "many" and "most" innovations would happen within a decade if that person did not exist. It would be interesting speculate on which things may not have come to be - but that is another topic for another day.

  68. Oh there is still time for zoning out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever been to a management meeting? Design meeting, or even a meeting about meetings? Since you can't just fire up some words with friends or browse slashdot on your phone in a meeting you get to zone out. Also, college courses are perfect for this or anytime where you are understimulated and can't use a device to compensate.

  69. Obligatory SMBC comic by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Obligatory SMBC comic by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Actually, another good one is this Sunday comic from "Baby Blues" dated September 9, 2012:

      http://dailyink.com/features/Baby_Blues/comics/2012-09-09

  70. Re:antiquated by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    "Because for some reason antiquated information services are superior to modern ones, in the same way that by having automobiles we're losing on the bond with nature we used to enjoy when all we had was a horse, a buggy, and stunning view of the horses ass".

    You basically nailed it. It's a case of 10 steps forward with smartphones and then just take 2 steps back if you inadvertently end up with too many Favorite Sites to watch, so fine, cull them a little.

    These "Back in the Good Ol' Days" articles are pretty bogus. How many of us remember having to kill 3 hours playing Kick the Can maybe before our parents were free to take us to the fair or something. Or later, the 2 hour phone convos consisting of "I'm bored." "Yeah, me too. Nothing to do on a Wednesday night."

    As for those people who are apparently the saving grace of conversation, anyone remember getting into a conversation like "Ford Bronco has more horsepower." "No, Chevy all the way man, Fords are for wimps." And there was no way to settle it. Now you just go to the much maligned Wikipedia, pick your models, and the winner of the argument emerges in about twenty minutes.

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  71. I think the emphasis is "between times" by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    First, I totally agree with you about the magazine/smartphone thing - I'm not sure why reading news and articles on your smart phone is any different than reading them on a dead tree - except that the dead tree is more likely to be 6 months old and only of historical interest.

    "And didn't people make the same arguments about television? And then, later, about videogames?"

    I think the focus there is that people weren't generally playing video games standing in store lines, or sitting at the doctors office (well, Gameboy/PSP, duh; so it still seems this article is about 15 years late to the party).

    That is, in the past, when entertainments were more rooted to a particular place, we had more downtime in our lives that was forced on us, but smartphones (and probably gameboys, though they don't seem to be called out in the article) give us the chance to reach nearly 100% "occupation" of our minds.

  72. Re:The fear of ceasing to exist if not on the phon by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

    anxiety disorders have become epidemic in recent years for a number of reasons I won't get into here,

    Please do.

  73. Boredom Leads to Creativity by sdoca · · Score: 1

    You get ideas from daydreaming. You get ideas from being bored. You get ideas all the time. The only difference between writers and other people is we notice when we're doing it. Neil Gaimain

    Boredom is useful to me when I notice it and think: Oh I'm bored; there must be something else I want to be doing... boredom acts as an initiator of originality by pushing me into new activities or new thoughts. Hugh Prather

  74. Not everyone is playing Angry Birds by misanthrope101 · · Score: 2

    You can also *read books* on your phone. Right now I'm reading Proust. So there is quite a bit of angsty introspection going on in my life right now. So just because someone is looking at their phone non-stop doesn't mean they're playing a game, or tweeting, or whatever. And if you're shallow, don't blame it on the phone, or the internet, or connectivity. Just spend less time with Angry Birds and more time with Thoreau.

    1. Re:Not everyone is playing Angry Birds by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      If I had an iPhone, I would be using it primarily to listen to _podcasts_. Go listen to the shows on the "This WEEK in Tech" network, for starters.

  75. There are times to leave electronics home by hillbluffer · · Score: 2

    Get outside once in a while and leave anything battery powered inside. Your business doesn't _deserve_ having you on-call 24/7. Go out and study trees, or clouds, and see how the world's made. Go to the beach and take a dead tree book. Your stress levels will be a LOT better in the long run.

  76. Allz I'm gonna say is... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    ...my family is definitely addicted to A/V and computer games. Movies are watched, TV shows are seen every night, and video games / inet videos are seen almost all day long.

    Funny thing is that when there was a massive storm complex that took out power several times at the household when I was visiting, there was an interesting effect:

    We went outside and threw frisbees at the large field across the street. We talked, joked, and even starting getting pretty extreme with the physical exertion.

    Guess what happened as soon as the power came back on (lights could be seen outside)? Yep, I'm sure you guessed it correctly; everyone got quiet, slowly walked back toward the house, reset clocks, and turned on the TV and computers.

    *sigh* If it were only easy enough to get it through peoples' heads nowadays that there are other things out there in the world aside from their gadgets and appliances, things would be a lot more interpersonal in a direct way and not so... fake.

    Just my worthless $0.0002.

  77. War on Christianity by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    "Freedom of speech is too precious a freedom to be meddled with..... And since I am sure of this in general, and since I'd expect most of you to be so too, I shall probably shock you when I say it is the purpose of my lecture tonight to argue in one particular area just the opposite. To argue, in short, in favour of censorship against freedom of expression, and to do so in an area of life that has traditionally been regarded as sacrosanct. I am talking about moral and religious education. And especially the education a child receives at home....parents (have) no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose....in short, children have the right not to have their minds addled by (religion). And we as a society have a duty to protect them from it. So we should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, the literal truth of the Bible, or that the planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out or lock them in a dungeon. That's the negative side of what I want to say. But there will be a positive side as well. If children have a right to be protected from false ideas, they have too a right to be succored by the truth. And we as a society have a duty to provide it."
    -- Nicholas Humphrey, addressing Amnesty International

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    1. Re:War on Christianity by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Who is Nicholar Humphrey, and why is he addressing a group of people with idiotic thoughts? I think we should ban this guy. He has no right to addle people's brains with his retarded ideas.

    2. Re:War on Christianity by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      War on christianity? How could this not apply to any religion: muslim, jewish, crackpot pedophile posing as church leader?

      This person has issues with religion, and he basically calls himself an idiot in his first sentence, but proceeds unabashed.

  78. Reactive vs Active Minds by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    I think the article touches on a subject that could be a major issue. We can think of a reactive mind as a mind that doesn't function when not stimulated, and an active mind as a mind that doesn't need stimulation in order to work. Then our addiction to stimuli, going all the way back to the walkman but steadily strengthening, would mean we're creating reactive minds that can't work autonomously anymore. All statistically speaking of course. Combine that with a shortening attention span and possibly we're losing some important skills. But I'm hypothesising.
    Note the difference however with 'boredom'. Whenever we talk about boredom it's treated as an internal stimulance to get your brain going. Well that remains to be seen. What I see happening is an internal stimulance to start surfing.

  79. 1st world "problems". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only in a pampered 1st world where life is too good would this be considered a "problem". It is the secular version of angels dancing on a pinhead. I guarantee you the non-Moslem in Saudi Arabia has better things to worry about than too much cell phone overload. Or the ex-Bain employee who was fired by Romney.

  80. So True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I get older and have more responsibilities, I really miss the times when I had downtime to just chill, observer, remember, or think. I was always bored to a degree as a child, and that was terrible, but I did learn a ton about the things around me and develop a lot of creativity (I believe) partly because of it. There definitely needs to be a balance. Before highschool, I drew on a weekly basis. Until I had kids, I hadn't drawn since those times. It definitely fills a certain void that has been there. So yeah, constantly staying entertained (TV, games, phone, etc.) is good for a certain type of thinking but is bad for thinking and creativity. No doubt.

  81. You can't leave us hanging like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point of research if you don't publish your results?

    Well, why are the manhole covers made in India?

  82. Here and There by Anonymatt · · Score: 1

    Smartphones are just tools, but they are designed to give us access to media. Media is wonderful and empowering, but when it's trivial and we spend most of our free time accessing it (watching TV, reading magazines or whatever), we're conditioned into thinking that what's important is not Here, but There. That's a drag on focused, disciplined use of time. And I believe it ultimately degrades the sense of self of the user. Unless they're dumb!

    Have you noticed that most good group conversations deteriorate once a dumb/assertive person gets the idea to force everyone into watching an internet video? Then of course, the next most dumb/assertive person makes everyone watch another video.... At least ads before videos are putting a slight kibosh on this.

  83. People become less observant by deskjethp · · Score: 1

    All over I see people with something plugged into their ears. Looking at some sort of screen. No one ever looks up and around to explore anymore, or takes in the beauty of the landscape and architecture around them. I watch these people and look around and learn all sorts of things about the environment. I explore where people don't generally go, and find all sorts of treasures. The people fiddling with their phones miss a lot.

  84. Mod up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great comment bro

  85. Idle Minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure how smartphones "superstimulate" over any other old idle preoccupation. We natually just wanna play games during our idleness. Those on smartphones seem for me to a perfect distraction for our minds, which otherwise, in idle reflection, really just zone out to habitual thoughts.

  86. Lost humanity by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    I am sometime surrounded by people all hooked to their smartphones. This gives me a strange feeling that they have lost some humanity. They are not there anymore, they are just ghosts.

  87. Driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May you NOT kill an innocent person while driving and fucking with your phone...

  88. European academic traditions by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    First of all, I don't know if the poor fellow was from France -- maybe he was from Canada?

    Second of all, I am first generation of European immigrant parents, and Mom had even lower inhibitions about chatting with strangers standing on line than I do. Much, much lower, although I think that babes are given much more latitude than dudes in that respect, even babes that are someone's Mom.

    Thirdly, the European way gives professors, even from other departments, high levels of respect, and especially from students, even graduate students. Yeah, I was rude to engage a student in conversation about their work, when they were openly displaying what they were working on in a public non-work venue. In Germany of a generation ago, where Dad was an undergrad, that would be rude behavior in disrespecting a faculty member expressing interest in what you are doing. Nowadays, people can inform me.

    Fourthly, I have a nephew doing the exact same thing (research in abstract algebra). Mom would have mentioned the family connection whereas I just STFU about that part. Interestingly, Nephew behaves exactly the same way when I ask him about his work. So is this a "social aspect of people in Abstract Algebra" thing?

  89. broad claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't it all just depend on what you're doing with the smart phone? The claim seems too sweeping w/o context. I am not a fan of the leash, and yet I'm as ill-behaved as most.

  90. Reasons those magazines go unread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those "dog-eared magazines in your doctor's office" going unread are usually three-month old leftist drivel from the Main Stream Media. We want something better! Long live the smart phone!

  91. people, fearmongers and the "wow" stuff by nobodie · · Score: 1

    I have watched while this happens everywhere, but most interestingly to me, in my classroom. I teach some two-hour classes that the university requires my to have a ten minute break in the middle of. When I announce the break a small handfull go to the smoking area for a cigarette, but every other student pulls out their phone and starts doing something on the phone. For some it is a game, for others it is texts, for others the news or a blog they follow. , but I am the only person in the room doing nothing. I sit, I watch, I check my lesson plan for the next hour, maybe prepping a video , audio or presentation piece, mostly just doing nothing.

    Mostly it is because I am not afraid of the downtime. Once, when I was teaching a listening class for crisis-hotline volunteers, I suggested that the trainees go home, turn off the TV and radio and just sit listening to the ambient noise in their house for 5 minutes. Aside from nobody ever, ever trying it, I had some trainees who refused to even consider it. They said flat out that they were afraid to not have the TV on when they walked in the house so they left it on when they went out. This was before the age of mobile phones, so today these kinds of people would be the ones waking up to check their email in the middle of the night.

    Would you be surprised to know that I put my phone on to charge at night, downstairs where I can't hear it? And that I read (on my plain vanilla ereader) every night before I go to bed. And I check my email once every day for the 8 or 10 personal addresses and use a pop-up at work so that i am immediately available at work. I try to adapt in a reasonable way to tech, not be sucked in by the oh wow, stuff. I was doing an "iPad certification" training last week, it was embarrassing "and look at this cool feature" says the "Apple certified educator" (or some such title, he was a nice guy, but he drinks the kool-aid deeply) and the class goes :"ohhh, neat" for the same feature I have in gnome, or you have in KDE or is already there in IceCreamSand already. But presented properly it is "Wow!"

    i'm gettin' too damn old and cranky.

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