I'm not sure if you're joking, but resource leaks in Java are a real problem.
- leaked file handles
- leaked database connections
- leaked streams
- leaked GUI objects
This is a feature of lifecycle declining industries, and big hardware is going the way of the dodo, thanks to manufacturing globalization, efficiency gains, VMWare etc. etc. etc.
In rising industries, the opposite is true and you don't need any special skills to do sales. Think of the Toyota Prius salesman, or new pharmaceuticals.
Oh! I thought they were your salespeople and you were training them on the product (the submitter's story).
I have a similar situation myself, from the beginning of my career. I implemented some horrible ERP software and for some reason, can't recall, we deployed it using Citrix Metaframe the multiuser terminal server. I needed to configure all customer computers with the Citrix client and show them how to administer their launcher icons. The chief salesguy was exactly as you describe, and I came to him several times with increasing urgency throughout the day; each time he sent me away, too busy too busy too busy. I made it quite clear when I was leaving.
He actually had the balls to chase me down in the parking lot and catch my car, waving his arms and then pleading with me to return and how critical it was to get him installed with the new system. He was right, it was important. The only way to motivate the guy was to make the physical act of leaving.
Don't talk about this like it's magic. Sales is a really tough job and you have to be a 1/100K personality type to succeed. My organization sells static analysis software, and our salespeople are a mixed bunch and have a lot of varied tech experience from their past lives:
- former military pilot
- former DEC programmer
- fool
- MBA
- former vintner
- former VAX/MVS/AS400 tech support
Nevertheless, our assumption is they know all about the customer's problem (manage costs, control risks, pass an audit, build a legacy) but know NOTHING about the technology, and we remind them of such. We pair up the salesguys with a "presales engineer" who is much more techie and a product expert but less responsible for the relationship.
Really, this is a very standard way to do technical sales. I thought everybody knew this.
Thanks Coward. The GP's suggestion, however, to everyone, is to use six random words from the OED. This opens up everyone to dictionary attacks all over again.
Keep in mind plenty of words in the OED already contain non alpha characters and/or high characters.
The last time I was a sysadmin (in 1994), I set default passwords with a scheme that sets entropy, once the pattern is known, at 5,850,000,000*. We can do better than that, but I don't think GP's suggestion is a very good balance.
* Brute forcing the characters was infeasible at the time (variable length, 10^23 - 10^31).
There are 600K words in the Oxford dictionary. That gives, by your formula, a formidable 46,656,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible passwords to crunch into the rainbow table.
But most Americans have a lexicon of about 8K - 10K words! 9000^6 is only 531,441,000,000,000,000,000,000.
As you are aware, "correct horse battery staple" is only four words: 9000^4 = 6,561,000,000,000,000. Not an improvement in complexity, but considerably more memorable. God, passwords are so shitty, they do my head in.
In some countries, "contractor" is a lower class of employee without any benefits. It's not necessarily a privileged relationship dictated by the contractor.
Wait, you think cat food costs too much, so you mix it with ground beef intended for human consumption??? What else is fucked up in this world today I wonder.
I'm paying £45/kg for beef tenderloin at my local butcher. I think the price for cryovac whole tenderloins at Smithfield Market was in the low 20s. These are british beef (Scotland).
What I don't get is, how to you point to a high price and demonstrate that as an indication the market has collapsed?? I think it would be the opposite. The market is collapsed when people are throwing beef away, or burning it because it's cheaper than firewood.
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Yeah, or even more "efficiently" than you ever would have dreamt...
http://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/14.html
What was your password again?
Yeah, just like http://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/14.html
I'm not sure if you're joking, but resource leaks in Java are a real problem.
- leaked file handles
- leaked database connections
- leaked streams
- leaked GUI objects
Totally off topic since the linked videos even specifically mention monitoring for SIDS.
This is a feature of lifecycle declining industries, and big hardware is going the way of the dodo, thanks to manufacturing globalization, efficiency gains, VMWare etc. etc. etc.
In rising industries, the opposite is true and you don't need any special skills to do sales. Think of the Toyota Prius salesman, or new pharmaceuticals.
I'm a trainer myself and I'm sure GP is a fine trainer. I never said anything was his fault; simply that those salesguys didn't belong in his class.
Actually, based on GP's followup, I don't think those salesguys belonged in their jobs, at all.
Oh! I thought they were your salespeople and you were training them on the product (the submitter's story).
I have a similar situation myself, from the beginning of my career. I implemented some horrible ERP software and for some reason, can't recall, we deployed it using Citrix Metaframe the multiuser terminal server. I needed to configure all customer computers with the Citrix client and show them how to administer their launcher icons. The chief salesguy was exactly as you describe, and I came to him several times with increasing urgency throughout the day; each time he sent me away, too busy too busy too busy. I made it quite clear when I was leaving.
He actually had the balls to chase me down in the parking lot and catch my car, waving his arms and then pleading with me to return and how critical it was to get him installed with the new system. He was right, it was important. The only way to motivate the guy was to make the physical act of leaving.
whoosh.
Ha ha ha! Thanks.
They were busy maintaining relationships to pay your salary.
Whoever put them in your class was a fool. You should be teaching people who need to know how to operate the CRM.
Don't talk about this like it's magic. Sales is a really tough job and you have to be a 1/100K personality type to succeed. My organization sells static analysis software, and our salespeople are a mixed bunch and have a lot of varied tech experience from their past lives:
- former military pilot
- former DEC programmer
- fool
- MBA
- former vintner
- former VAX/MVS/AS400 tech support
Nevertheless, our assumption is they know all about the customer's problem (manage costs, control risks, pass an audit, build a legacy) but know NOTHING about the technology, and we remind them of such. We pair up the salesguys with a "presales engineer" who is much more techie and a product expert but less responsible for the relationship.
Really, this is a very standard way to do technical sales. I thought everybody knew this.
Yes. More specifically, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4073309
Thanks Coward. The GP's suggestion, however, to everyone, is to use six random words from the OED. This opens up everyone to dictionary attacks all over again.
Keep in mind plenty of words in the OED already contain non alpha characters and/or high characters.
The last time I was a sysadmin (in 1994), I set default passwords with a scheme that sets entropy, once the pattern is known, at 5,850,000,000*. We can do better than that, but I don't think GP's suggestion is a very good balance.
* Brute forcing the characters was infeasible at the time (variable length, 10^23 - 10^31).
There are 600K words in the Oxford dictionary. That gives, by your formula, a formidable 46,656,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible passwords to crunch into the rainbow table.
But most Americans have a lexicon of about 8K - 10K words! 9000^6 is only 531,441,000,000,000,000,000,000.
As you are aware, "correct horse battery staple" is only four words: 9000^4 = 6,561,000,000,000,000. Not an improvement in complexity, but considerably more memorable. God, passwords are so shitty, they do my head in.
md5 is definitely more collisionable than sha1!
GP was ragging on md5, not MD5Crypt, whatever that is.
Is this enough to convince you otherwise???
$ sha1 password1
e38ad214943daad1d64c102faec29de4afe9da3d
$ cat combo_not.txt | grep 214943daad1d64c102faec29de4afe9da3d
00000214943daad1d64c102faec29de4afe9da3d
You guys, every time you hash a string online, it goes into the rainbow tables. You must install openssl and hash locally for these tests:
$ echo -n "password123" | openssl sha1
cbfdac6008f9cab4083784cbd1874f76618d2a97
$ history -c
With the 00000 mask?
You are a higher class of worker, not lower. This is not always the case, as I said above.
In some countries, "contractor" is a lower class of employee without any benefits. It's not necessarily a privileged relationship dictated by the contractor.
Little people depend on the stability of banks, large corporations, and others. We all interdepend on that shit.
I take it don't you don't live in England where English is spoken natively.
Wait, you think cat food costs too much, so you mix it with ground beef intended for human consumption??? What else is fucked up in this world today I wonder.
Tell us what you know about Gouda. No Googling.
I'm paying £45/kg for beef tenderloin at my local butcher. I think the price for cryovac whole tenderloins at Smithfield Market was in the low 20s. These are british beef (Scotland).
What I don't get is, how to you point to a high price and demonstrate that as an indication the market has collapsed?? I think it would be the opposite. The market is collapsed when people are throwing beef away, or burning it because it's cheaper than firewood.