Look, that you acknowledge that you think you are special and that special rules apply to you (Mormons) and only you puts you in a class of people that are a danger to society. As long as you believe you are better than other people you are a risk, a menace. If you believe you are better than non-Mormons and willing to think and act in that manner you should be excluded from the society that you scorn so much. You are in fact evil.
Thank you for acknowledging I am correct. The Mormon church does not have a trademark on 'Mormon and cannot unless it is a commercial, trading, company. If the church 'trades' it is no longer a religion and not a church.
Think you for acknowledging you are incorrect. Your claim was false. It is good that you admit that. I may be old but I do not live in the 90's. Admit you actually lied when you claimed otherwise. You provided the evidence to prove you did, and you claim you don't peddle in lies. You do. Most of what you say is lies, but bound up in your corner with like liars you can't see that. You tell yourself the most lies of all. You just do no recognise your lies as lies even when your posts contradict yourself.
Here is an example of your lies. You said that I admitted I used 'vulgarities' to get a rise out of people. I did not do so, I never said that ay all. I said I did it to see how you reacted. That was what I said (you can read it again) and you lied about what I said. Here and in black and white. Get that through your head, you lied, right here in this discussion. Whatever you consider yourself to be you are demonstrably a liar. Mind you so is everyone else on the planet.
In your last paragraph you use ad hominem to falsely denigrate me and try to invalidate my argument. Logic does not work that way. So, you are not even capable of logical argument. Why would you bring my mother into this if you had a case? My, mother, BTW was born nearly a century ago and lived through the Nazi occupation of Germany (something few people think about). I have never worried about swearing in front of my mother. She was fluent in several languages. And you know nothing about sex. Sometimes it is one thing and at other times another. Sometimes you want one thing and sometimes another. You want to explain about holes in sheets and magic underwear? I am getting sex advice from a Mormon? Are you serious? "Understand and meet your partner's needs instead of always taking" Is this what I do? How do you know? Are you trying to claim I am a dud shag? How would you know? Why would you even think it?
You are actually a nasty piece of work, aren't you? Look at what you said and tell me it comes from christian attitudes. That's why I am not a believer. I never found a god (or his followers) that even attempted to live up to my moral and ethical standards. Your gods are not good enough and nor are you.
Possibly. But will they be willing to replace it then? I think not, I think they are soldered in. Be cheaper to replace the machine and I doubt they will do that. Regretfully the consumer laws in this country will probably require them to do so. They are in a bit of shit here, as is every other manufacturer. Many will be able to cut and run but not Apple. At least IOS devices use their CPUs not Intel.
If you consider actually, physically saving my life 'shitting all over me' then I would have to agree with you. Thanks to that Apple has put you of through the misery of communication with me because I remain alive. Besides you can't tell shit from rose petals.
I asked a leading question and you refused to answer it. Any shilling I am doing is with facts. I use a lot of Apple gear because it is best and cheapest for what I require of it. That does not make me a shill. But even if it was I rather be that than what I dub thee, "shrill". Go shit somewhere else.
That is a problem all phones have to some degree. It is not just native to Apple. What al this is about is people pissing on their solution, which was and is about the best possible one.
And if it is not found you will be sure that is just "not found" rather than non existent and find Apple guilty anyway. God forbid you are ever on a jury.
Think is I welcome some of the choices that you declare are flaws. It would be better if we used the term 'choices' rather than 'benefits' and 'flaws'. The I and the you here not being any particular people.
So you have access to validated internal cost detail for a company who buys this specific component in massive bulk?
It would not matter if Apple got them free. The major cost is plant and labour. The cost of an employee and the place for him to do it is way in excess of what apple want ($29) for the service. They probably did not make much at $79. Remember they also have to accept the breakages that happen as an earlier poster mentioned happened to hime. He got a brand new phone for his $29. That was part of the cost of doing business, fixing the phones.
And regardless if you are technically correct here, this move by Apple exists for two reasons; to keep you as a customer, and to maintain share price. Both of those are worth a fuckton more than a few dollars lost on the handful of people who managed to do more than just bitch about their crappy battery life.
Well, you are not wrong in that. But how is Apple wrong in this? And it works well for me. Any time I have a problem I squawk and I get a response. Problem solved. It is one of the reasons I am a customer. No more than nominal bullshit in the customer service which proves to be excellent.
The problem is that with Apple, function follows form. So in order to build super thin phones, Apple deliberately goes with low capacity batteries to begin with (they also went with too thin anodes, but that would be nitpicking). Since the laws of physics also apple to Apple, these batteries have to be operated at peak most of the time, leading to premature loss of capacity. In contrast, most Android phones come with 3xxx mAh of capacity, leaving lots more room for underutilizing them for longevity.
You have a bit to say there. I have heard of damning with faint praise but you are damning with faint lies.
IPhone 6+ Original battery 2915 mAh at manufacture. As you say not over 3000 but close enough, within 3%. After 3-4 years it is at 2500, 86%. I've not checked other phones so all I can quote is mine. Checking my iPad it is "over 9000", over 10k in fact. You are making a big deal out of very little. I think faint lie describes it well.
When all is said and done, this incident made it clear that Apple's sole focus is on selling their users an iphone per year, no matter what. And slowing down people's phones without telling them what's going on will certainly go a long way to nudge people into buying a new iphone, just to get rid of all the lag on their old phone. This is planned obsolescence at its best, I must say.
I hope to god you never serve on a jury. Where is your evidence for any of this? Even if you proved to be factually correct above rather than displaying a petty bias you would still not have any evidence for this. How could you ever deliver a fair verdict?
My iPhone 3s is still running and it still gets a full days use as anything (and everything) but a phone (no sim). Never had its battery replaced. Only reason it is on the shelf is that it no longer runs current software.
I do not know if Apple would put a new battery in it . But in the case of 3,4, and 5 lines, they have never had this software in them as the cpus did not drink so much. No reason they should be free or discounted.
Evidence? Twenty nine dollars seems pretty cheap to me to have someone else do the dirty work that I don't have time for.
Apple denies their user base any such ability
Evidence? Go to the Apple app store and find out otherwise.
Android batteries? You want to tout Android batteries over Apple batteries? Considering the problems that Samsung have had now there is a new issue... All Li batteries essentially suck. Except for density of charge which is why we use them.
That is funny. I know several electrical engineers intimately. I am pretty sure they would call it a "design choice" not a "design flaw".
For this simple reason. They do not want to get their asses sued off. There are many factors that go into a choice for a battery and they are not all electrical. Since they do not know on what bases that choice was made calling it a flaw would be passing a professional judgement that they are not qualified to make. That is a professional or licenced electrical engineer would call it a "choice" not a "flaw". One, the former, is within the purview of their training and judgement and the other, the latter is not.
So if you are an electrical engineer, as you say, then calling it a "flaw" is not within your purview or remit. You do not know and cannot know unless the concept and design of the whole device is solely your responsibility. And that would not stand up to "due diligence" standards nowadays.
I wonder where that crock is located? I have a 6+ with original battery in a heavily used device. Must be 3 years old by now. I have never seen or noticed throttling to occur. That is my apocryphal story and because it is mine, excuse if I scorn what you say as just meaningless blurt.
The Apple software is designed only to slow stuff down while the demand is pegging the supply. That is for a few seconds at worst. And since I seldom play music, download, browse and take photos at the same time (i.e. I mostly single task) I have never seen this reported issue. I still get two days out of my three year old battery unless I use the phone actively all day.
The phone is not even "slightly slower" and will not be slow unless (and only while) the battery cannot meet the load.
You are aware that the "throttling" only takes place while the processes demanding the excess draw are active? That the phone is only "slowed down" for the few seconds the battery cannot take the demand?
They do not "slow down older phones" they just stop them from crashing. It is not minimal usability they provide but the maximal capacity that the battery can power second to second
The intended victim never had any contact with the swatter. Apparently he gave the fake address to his teammate, and it was the teammate who then hired the guy to do the swatting and passed along the fake address after a dispute over a game of COD.
Did I claim Finch had contact? Why would I do that?
The person (potential victim) did not supply their own address thus demonstrating that it was an act that the did not want enacted upon them. They then supplied some one else's address perhaps by random, knowing it would be unpleasant or dangerous for the people at that address. He voluntarily put people at the specified (address) into a known danger. Voluntarily and with no need to do so. That fits depraved heart murder to a tee. There may have been 'only' one death but there are at least four people who could or should face felony murder charges because that is precisely what they did.
The intended victim selected Finch as a target. He chose to do that. A criminal choice.
I see we will never agree on this point of the conversation, so I won't respond further.
Oh, wow. Then what is het waddle in the rest of your post? Something to accept without response? You just told yourself a lie. (Saying I am not going to respond further and then you respond). Supposedly I am no longer to do so. Obscene principals at work here. Do you expect me to be impressed by your holiness? You are just dishonest. Your morals are a clear fail.
Your statements about trademarks is reasonably accurate this time. Except the fair use bit. The church can call itself Mormon but so can anyone else and the church cannot sue for it. It is not a trademark.
"Fuck" gets you an 'R' rating in a movie? That alone? I doubt you can find anyone in the civilised world who believes or accepts that. In Iran, or parts of Asia maybe. Cite me the regulations where that is true because I believe you are just lying again. If it is the case in all or parts of the USA then you should be thoroughly ashamed.
And liars are not part of polite society. They do not understand what it means. You fail to see that you can never, ever be part of polite society as long as you are peddling lies. Just like Hubbard FWTIW. You show an excellent example when you say you will not respond because we will never agree. I wouldn't say never, but not until your morals improve and you raise you are no more special (or right) than anyone else. There is a reason why you "don't discuss politics or religion at the dinner table", as no cilvil discourse or polite society can arise. Either or both sides will be lying through their teeth.
Why do you think that you can set the limits of 'polite society'? Research has shown that people who use profanity tend to be more honest than those that don't. I am not going to cite because it was all over the news just recently. You might also note that I don' use profanity all that much, just to reinforce things (and partly, I admit, to see how you would react. You reacted by focussing on the words not their meaning. You are just not self-honest and cannot be honest to others. The only reason that profanity can impair a situation is when one side won't listen to it (and then dismiss the argument).
No, they do not or there would not be varieties of Christianity, Islam or Judaism. You have no reason or right to claim an exception. The fact that you do not understand this and want special treatment is because you believe you are special and better. You are not
Can't it be both?
The profit making parts of it are subject to taxes. Because they trade they are allowed trademarks. Two companies may not use the same trademark or they lose it for non-enforcement. The church does not trade (or it is not a church) and is freed from taxes but it is not allowed trademarks.
I did not use gratuitous profanity I used entertaining (at least to me) profanity and we do not call the same thing profanity. I do not believe in god or creator simply because everything I have read and witnessed lead me to believe that if he existed he would have to be classed as an immoral psychopath. You gods do not live up to my requirements for divinity. You would call that sacrilege. I call it common sense.
To me tour proclamations that there is a god when there so clearly is not one is profanity and sacrilege to me. I find it offensive.
FWIW Profanity in writing is used to express emotion that would otherwise be conveyed by tone of voice. And that use is at times, quite valid and part of the Queen's English.
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Look, that you acknowledge that you think you are special and that special rules apply to you (Mormons) and only you puts you in a class of people that are a danger to society. As long as you believe you are better than other people you are a risk, a menace. If you believe you are better than non-Mormons and willing to think and act in that manner you should be excluded from the society that you scorn so much. You are in fact evil.
Thank you for acknowledging I am correct. The Mormon church does not have a trademark on 'Mormon and cannot unless it is a commercial, trading, company. If the church 'trades' it is no longer a religion and not a church.
Think you for acknowledging you are incorrect. Your claim was false. It is good that you admit that. I may be old but I do not live in the 90's. Admit you actually lied when you claimed otherwise. You provided the evidence to prove you did, and you claim you don't peddle in lies. You do. Most of what you say is lies, but bound up in your corner with like liars you can't see that. You tell yourself the most lies of all. You just do no recognise your lies as lies even when your posts contradict yourself.
Here is an example of your lies. You said that I admitted I used 'vulgarities' to get a rise out of people. I did not do so, I never said that ay all. I said I did it to see how you reacted. That was what I said (you can read it again) and you lied about what I said. Here and in black and white. Get that through your head, you lied, right here in this discussion. Whatever you consider yourself to be you are demonstrably a liar. Mind you so is everyone else on the planet.
In your last paragraph you use ad hominem to falsely denigrate me and try to invalidate my argument. Logic does not work that way. So, you are not even capable of logical argument. Why would you bring my mother into this if you had a case? My, mother, BTW was born nearly a century ago and lived through the Nazi occupation of Germany (something few people think about). I have never worried about swearing in front of my mother. She was fluent in several languages. And you know nothing about sex. Sometimes it is one thing and at other times another. Sometimes you want one thing and sometimes another. You want to explain about holes in sheets and magic underwear? I am getting sex advice from a Mormon? Are you serious? "Understand and meet your partner's needs instead of always taking" Is this what I do? How do you know? Are you trying to claim I am a dud shag? How would you know? Why would you even think it?
You are actually a nasty piece of work, aren't you? Look at what you said and tell me it comes from christian attitudes. That's why I am not a believer. I never found a god (or his followers) that even attempted to live up to my moral and ethical standards. Your gods are not good enough and nor are you.
Possibly. But will they be willing to replace it then? I think not, I think they are soldered in. Be cheaper to replace the machine and I doubt they will do that. Regretfully the consumer laws in this country will probably require them to do so. They are in a bit of shit here, as is every other manufacturer. Many will be able to cut and run but not Apple. At least IOS devices use their CPUs not Intel.
If you consider actually, physically saving my life 'shitting all over me' then I would have to agree with you. Thanks to that Apple has put you of through the misery of communication with me because I remain alive. Besides you can't tell shit from rose petals.
Can you support or justify that remark? I think not. BTW, I play enough games to have a significant part of my life "wasted". You don't know much.
Glad to see you will bit pout your name to slander coward.
I asked a leading question and you refused to answer it. Any shilling I am doing is with facts. I use a lot of Apple gear because it is best and cheapest for what I require of it. That does not make me a shill. But even if it was I rather be that than what I dub thee, "shrill". Go shit somewhere else.
That is a problem all phones have to some degree. It is not just native to Apple. What al this is about is people pissing on their solution, which was and is about the best possible one.
And if it is not found you will be sure that is just "not found" rather than non existent and find Apple guilty anyway. God forbid you are ever on a jury.
I think looking at your response is enough for people to decide who is stupid and who is not. Arrogance is no argument.
Think is I welcome some of the choices that you declare are flaws. It would be better if we used the term 'choices' rather than 'benefits' and 'flaws'. The I and the you here not being any particular people.
So you have access to validated internal cost detail for a company who buys this specific component in massive bulk?
It would not matter if Apple got them free. The major cost is plant and labour. The cost of an employee and the place for him to do it is way in excess of what apple want ($29) for the service. They probably did not make much at $79. Remember they also have to accept the breakages that happen as an earlier poster mentioned happened to hime. He got a brand new phone for his $29. That was part of the cost of doing business, fixing the phones.
And regardless if you are technically correct here, this move by Apple exists for two reasons; to keep you as a customer, and to maintain share price. Both of those are worth a fuckton more than a few dollars lost on the handful of people who managed to do more than just bitch about their crappy battery life.
Well, you are not wrong in that. But how is Apple wrong in this? And it works well for me. Any time I have a problem I squawk and I get a response. Problem solved. It is one of the reasons I am a customer. No more than nominal bullshit in the customer service which proves to be excellent.
The problem is that with Apple, function follows form. So in order to build super thin phones, Apple deliberately goes with low capacity batteries to begin with (they also went with too thin anodes, but that would be nitpicking). Since the laws of physics also apple to Apple, these batteries have to be operated at peak most of the time, leading to premature loss of capacity. In contrast, most Android phones come with 3xxx mAh of capacity, leaving lots more room for underutilizing them for longevity.
You have a bit to say there. I have heard of damning with faint praise but you are damning with faint lies.
IPhone 6+ Original battery 2915 mAh at manufacture. As you say not over 3000 but close enough, within 3%. After 3-4 years it is at 2500, 86%. I've not checked other phones so all I can quote is mine. Checking my iPad it is "over 9000", over 10k in fact. You are making a big deal out of very little. I think faint lie describes it well.
When all is said and done, this incident made it clear that Apple's sole focus is on selling their users an iphone per year, no matter what. And slowing down people's phones without telling them what's going on will certainly go a long way to nudge people into buying a new iphone, just to get rid of all the lag on their old phone. This is planned obsolescence at its best, I must say.
I hope to god you never serve on a jury. Where is your evidence for any of this? Even if you proved to be factually correct above rather than displaying a petty bias you would still not have any evidence for this. How could you ever deliver a fair verdict?
Lol. People have been asking me that all my life. Thank you sir, but you have not been me when irritated. Fare well
My iPhone 3s is still running and it still gets a full days use as anything (and everything) but a phone (no sim). Never had its battery replaced. Only reason it is on the shelf is that it no longer runs current software.
I do not know if Apple would put a new battery in it . But in the case of 3,4, and 5 lines, they have never had this software in them as the cpus did not drink so much. No reason they should be free or discounted.
(still at profit even with discount)
Evidence? Twenty nine dollars seems pretty cheap to me to have someone else do the dirty work that I don't have time for.
Apple denies their user base any such ability
Evidence? Go to the Apple app store and find out otherwise.
Android batteries? You want to tout Android batteries over Apple batteries? Considering the problems that Samsung have had now there is a new issue...
All Li batteries essentially suck. Except for density of charge which is why we use them.
That is funny. I know several electrical engineers intimately. I am pretty sure they would call it a "design choice" not a "design flaw".
For this simple reason. They do not want to get their asses sued off. There are many factors that go into a choice for a battery and they are not all electrical. Since they do not know on what bases that choice was made calling it a flaw would be passing a professional judgement that they are not qualified to make. That is a professional or licenced electrical engineer would call it a "choice" not a "flaw". One, the former, is within the purview of their training and judgement and the other, the latter is not.
So if you are an electrical engineer, as you say, then calling it a "flaw" is not within your purview or remit. You do not know and cannot know unless the concept and design of the whole device is solely your responsibility. And that would not stand up to "due diligence" standards nowadays.
I wonder where that crock is located? I have a 6+ with original battery in a heavily used device. Must be 3 years old by now. I have never seen or noticed throttling to occur. That is my apocryphal story and because it is mine, excuse if I scorn what you say as just meaningless blurt.
The Apple software is designed only to slow stuff down while the demand is pegging the supply. That is for a few seconds at worst. And since I seldom play music, download, browse and take photos at the same time (i.e. I mostly single task) I have never seen this reported issue. I still get two days out of my three year old battery unless I use the phone actively all day.
The phone is not even "slightly slower" and will not be slow unless (and only while) the battery cannot meet the load.
You are aware that the "throttling" only takes place while the processes demanding the excess draw are active? That the phone is only "slowed down" for the few seconds the battery cannot take the demand?
They do not "slow down older phones" they just stop them from crashing. It is not minimal usability they provide but the maximal capacity that the battery can power second to second
You are correct. At $29 they will take a loss on the battery replacements.
Might I ask exactly what "design flaw" you are talking about?
The intended victim never had any contact with the swatter. Apparently he gave the fake address to his teammate, and it was the teammate who then hired the guy to do the swatting and passed along the fake address after a dispute over a game of COD.
Did I claim Finch had contact? Why would I do that?
The person (potential victim) did not supply their own address thus demonstrating that it was an act that the did not want enacted upon them. They then supplied some one else's address perhaps by random, knowing it would be unpleasant or dangerous for the people at that address. He voluntarily put people at the specified (address) into a known danger. Voluntarily and with no need to do so. That fits depraved heart murder to a tee. There may have been 'only' one death but there are at least four people who could or should face felony murder charges because that is precisely what they did.
The intended victim selected Finch as a target. He chose to do that. A criminal choice.
Thus makes apple's recent fiasco trivia in comparison. I just got a new machine. How do I get it changed for one that does not have the bug?
I see we will never agree on this point of the conversation, so I won't respond further.
Oh, wow. Then what is het waddle in the rest of your post? Something to accept without response? You just told yourself a lie. (Saying I am not going to respond further and then you respond). Supposedly I am no longer to do so. Obscene principals at work here. Do you expect me to be impressed by your holiness? You are just dishonest. Your morals are a clear fail.
Your statements about trademarks is reasonably accurate this time. Except the fair use bit. The church can call itself Mormon but so can anyone else and the church cannot sue for it. It is not a trademark.
"Fuck" gets you an 'R' rating in a movie? That alone? I doubt you can find anyone in the civilised world who believes or accepts that. In Iran, or parts of Asia maybe. Cite me the regulations where that is true because I believe you are just lying again. If it is the case in all or parts of the USA then you should be thoroughly ashamed.
And liars are not part of polite society. They do not understand what it means. You fail to see that you can never, ever be part of polite society as long as you are peddling lies. Just like Hubbard FWTIW. You show an excellent example when you say you will not respond because we will never agree. I wouldn't say never, but not until your morals improve and you raise you are no more special (or right) than anyone else. There is a reason why you "don't discuss politics or religion at the dinner table", as no cilvil discourse or polite society can arise. Either or both sides will be lying through their teeth.
Why do you think that you can set the limits of 'polite society'? Research has shown that people who use profanity tend to be more honest than those that don't. I am not going to cite because it was all over the news just recently. You might also note that I don' use profanity all that much, just to reinforce things (and partly, I admit, to see how you would react. You reacted by focussing on the words not their meaning. You are just not self-honest and cannot be honest to others. The only reason that profanity can impair a situation is when one side won't listen to it (and then dismiss the argument).
As sad. I agree. Thank you for your agreement.
The original group gets to define the term, no?
No, they do not or there would not be varieties of Christianity, Islam or Judaism. You have no reason or right to claim an exception. The fact that you do not understand this and want special treatment is because you believe you are special and better. You are not
Can't it be both?
The profit making parts of it are subject to taxes. Because they trade they are allowed trademarks. Two companies may not use the same trademark or they lose it for non-enforcement. The church does not trade (or it is not a church) and is freed from taxes but it is not allowed trademarks.
I did not use gratuitous profanity I used entertaining (at least to me) profanity and we do not call the same thing profanity. I do not believe in god or creator simply because everything I have read and witnessed lead me to believe that if he existed he would have to be classed as an immoral psychopath. You gods do not live up to my requirements for divinity. You would call that sacrilege. I call it common sense.
To me tour proclamations that there is a god when there so clearly is not one is profanity and sacrilege to me. I find it offensive.
FWIW Profanity in writing is used to express emotion that would otherwise be conveyed by tone of voice. And that use is at times, quite valid and part of the Queen's English.